Gallup: “Sore loser” syndrome looking sweet for McCain; Update: 22% each want Hillary, Obama to drop out
posted at 10:15 am on March 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Figure those numbers will decline by at least three-quarters after a bruising general campaign, but even so, seven percent of Hillary’s base voting GOP would be a tasty treat on Election Day. Her supporters, fittingly, are more sore loser-ish than Obama’s, breaking 59/28 for him over McCain versus 72/19 for Hillary over McCain among Obama voters. Which brings us to a serious strategic exit question: What’s the surest way to keep these losers sore? If the race drags on and she keeps losing, some of these people are going to become reconciled to the idea that Obama’s the legitimate nominee (which he is) and is worth supporting. If, however, she’s pressured to get out now, without a chance to win Pennsylvania and surprise in North Carolina and Indiana, the hard feelings at the thought of her being muscled out may linger. Which is to say, shouldn’t we start rooting for the Chosen Ones identified by Geraghty to throw their full-throated support to the Messiah, thereby effectively dooming her chances with the superdelegates and finally sending Hillary’s fans over the edge? Those Rasmussen results that Drudge is teasing should give them some encouragement.
And, supplemental exit question: Now more than ever?
Update: Her Majesty assures Time this morning that she’s not going anywhere. We’ll see. Phil Bredesen’s still pushing his idea of a “superdelegate primary,” which may look a little better to naysayers in the party in light of the Gallup numbers. How would that play with the sore losers, though?
Update: Here’s the aforementioned Rasmussen poll. A solid 62% don’t want either candidate out and only 47% of Obama’s own supporters want Hillary out, which may complicate things for the Chosen Ones. Anyone want to try explaining the logic of the 22% who think Obama should quit?
Also, nuance: “Six percent (6%) of Democrats would like both Clinton and Obama to drop out of the race.”
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If Barry O is the Messiah, what does that make the Algore?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Now the Dems will see what McCain had to endure for years…torture
right2bright on March 26, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Nah, I’d rather enjoy the democrat party infighting, hurling insults at one another. I also enjoy Hillary’s strained efforts getting more superdelegates. No, I say on
to Pennsylvania, North Carolina etc. Lets enjoy the show.
2theright on March 26, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Take all the way to the convention!
Vote Hillderbeast! …er, Go Hilllary!
opusrex on March 26, 2008 at 10:04 AM
alot of hillary’s supporters are the blue collar Dems that will never, ever, vote for Obama with his church exposed.
I’d like to see a poll of Jewish Dems on Obama now, with all the anti-semitic rantings that have came out of that ‘church’
jp on March 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM
I told you so! Hillarys people will go for John McCain if Obama gets the nod.
kcd on March 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM
You really think so? I figure they’ll increase a little in the general…because by then the animosity between the Clinton and the Obama camps will only have gotten worse. It’ll all depend on how the convention goes me thinks.
JetBoy on March 26, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Are you talking about the Dim convention, where Obama will have the popular vote but hillary will get the nomination, all hell breaks loose and riots last a week? That convention? Maybe then the mod dims will go en-mass to McCain.
kcd on March 26, 2008 at 10:25 AM
My late father-in-law liked to win…if he didn’t win, he didn’t play, so he used to change the rules as he went along to ensure that he would beat everyone, even his 4 year old grandchild. It was a joke in the family, but when you translate the same attitude to a presidential election it’s not so funny.
Bob's Kid on March 26, 2008 at 10:25 AM
By the time the Dems figure out who their candidate is, both contenders will have been drawn, quartered and served with butter. You think the Pastor Disaster and Bosnia Brouhaha are the end of the evisceration? The party has only just begun my friends.
Only the Donks could screw up a nomination to this degree.
DrW on March 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM
This could be a win-win. The left is going to spend a billion dollars on the general campaign and their behavior will drive even more people into McCain’s corner.
So we’ll get the Republicans keeping the White House and Democrats unwittingly helping the economy.
JammieWearingFool on March 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Hey,don’t you know they are famous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
kcd on March 26, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I was listening to a Liberal talk radio show from Boston last night with everyone calling in and praising Maverick.
What is fascinating about the Dems is that they know their supporters think politically in very simple terms. The Clintons have used that system, and now that weapon is turned on them. The Clintons have become more despised by the MSM and the average Dem on the street than President Bush. Obama has drawn heavy fire from Dem voters that have been force fed a steady stream of tolerance through guilt after he is found out as a racist nut.
Maverick is coming in for a landing. The sky is clear, the runway is open and it’s going to be a perfect landing.
Hening on March 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM
More Obama supporters will stay home than vote for McCain.
Tony737 on March 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM
And hopefully, by Nov, people will be so fed up with the dims we can get back the congress & senate as well. Would’nt that be sweeeeeet!!!
kcd on March 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM
They won’t pull the lever for the old man any more than we conservatives (who will never vote for McCain) will vote for Hillobama.
Valiant on March 26, 2008 at 10:32 AM
That’s probably what will end up happening at the Democratic Convention. Which is why I think there will be even more Dem’s voting McCain in November than the Gallup poll is now showing.
JetBoy on March 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Being Democrats, which ever side wins, the otherside will know that the election was stolen.
Why? Because that’s what they would do.
The best case for us is to have hillary get the nod after a slight loss in regular delegates.
It will be a shame to have to rebuild Denver, though.
dinasour on March 26, 2008 at 10:43 AM
And still nothing on the Nader factor. They ask Obama voters if, should Obama be denied the nomination, they will vote for McCain. As good little liberals, they might not.
But would they vote for Nader?
Sekhmet on March 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM
“… they will vote for McCain. As good little liberals, they might not.
But would they vote for Nader?” – Sekhmet
Hmmmm, good point. I still think more Obamatrons would rather stay home, thinkin’ that ‘we was robbed’.
Tony737 on March 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM
It’s not all sore loser-ism. I can imagine some of Hill’s supporters might be pretty reluctant to put a novice like Obama in charge of National Security.
Clark1 on March 26, 2008 at 11:06 AM
supplemental exit question?
AP is soooo in the tank for the Goracle….
Wind Rider on March 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Unlike Gallup, I find it hard to believe that anyone initially disposed to vote for Hillary or Obama would vote for McCain out of pique. However, as between Obama and McCain, I think a significant percentage of Democrats will break for Maverick because he is a more experienced candidate with an impressive and unprecedented record of serving his country.
I call it “the reasonable left” syndrome.
Infidoll on March 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Wright.
frankj on March 26, 2008 at 11:24 AM
I still say…it’s going to be an Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama ticket…
JetBoy on March 26, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Maverick is coming in for a landing. The sky is clear, the runway is open and it’s going to be a perfect landing.
I wish I was as certain of that as you are. The media is upset at being “outed” into to criticizing any Democrats, and when the General Election comes, I think they are going to make up for it. I think there is an “October surprise” with McCain’s name on it sitting the MSM freezer, just waiting for the right time to be thawed out and served!
I “look forward to looking back” at this election cycle as the final nail in the coffin of the MSM’s credibility. I am just amazed that we haven’t yet seen some young whistle-blow come forward and expose the media malfeasance and conspiracy that allows them to coordinate their messages so well.
drunyan8315 on March 26, 2008 at 11:26 AM
It’s Raining McCain!
Connie on March 26, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I also love the idea being pushed by some to put Al Gore in as a ‘compromise candidate’. What a GOP dream that would be! They knock off the first serious woman and black candidates to put in a white male elitist without a vote!
Here would the GOP tagline for November:
“You can vote for people who actually practice democracy and count votes, or you can vote for those who merely talk about it.”
Is there any way we can encourage this to happen?
Of course, if the superdelegates were to unseat Obama, that tagline would work as well, but only after all the fires in Denver have been put out.
michaelo on March 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Yaweh.
How can you forget the sizable population of dems who prescribe to Obama as JFK/RFK/MLK assassination chic? They’re afraid, very afraid for his safety. You know, as a black man, he might get shot pumping gas.
hkenshin on March 26, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I’ve been saying all along that McCain’s Democrat crossover could be huge. If he were to go so far as to somehow tag Liebermann as a running mate, it’d certainly leave a lot of conservatives angry (well, angrier), but it might also make for an outright landslide win. And compared with either a Hillary or Obama administration, would it really smell all that bad?
Blacklake on March 26, 2008 at 12:01 PM
She “not going anywhere” sounds like she is being told to shut it down. There must be a quid pro quo, SCOTUS, Ambassadorship, etc. Like Mitt after Super Tuesday, Hillary is making this statement for the diehards (as Rush says “women over 65 who wear boots”). She is looking to cut the best deal she can and she will be out by this weekend. The alternative is expensive and counterproductive. She doesn’t have the broad appeal or a distinctive message. There is simply no upside to having a candidate Hillary.
Angry Dumbo on March 26, 2008 at 12:07 PM
According to my calculations, if McCain just locks himself in his bathroom until election day, he’ll win!
TexasJew on March 26, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Heh.
krispy on March 26, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Well, let’s see. McPain HAS been under fire in the past, even been a POW. To the best of my knowledge, he hasn’t associated with wacked out anti-American ministers. I don’t think he has had any affairs, hasn’t plagiarized anyone. Doesn’t have his wife running around the landscape generally pissing off the masses. Has a fairly level-headed number of good qualified people working under him. Hasn’t had to throw anyone under the bus for really stupid things they have said.
Yeah, as long as he can keep his nose clean until November, he’s in.
pilamaye on March 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Also, don’t forget that despite all that’s going on right now, if Hillary wins the nomination, she still has the race card to play in an effort to woo straying Obama supporters back to the fold. McCain and the people who advise him will be portrayed as closet Klansmen by the Clinton camp in an attempt to scare African-American voters angry about the primary results into going for the polls for Hillary in November (the NAACP’s 2000 James Byrd ad against Bush will seem tame by comparison).
Because Hillary’s supporters value power over ideology more than Obama’s supporters do, the same type of post-convention effort by Barak’s people wouldn’t have the same potential to lure the Clintons’ backers into supporting Obama in November. You can try and paint McCain and his people as anti-women, or anti-labor, or anti-whatever key special interest right now is still on the Hillary bandwagon, but if you’re a Clinton backer, the key thing you see is an Obama election win in November means you’re out of power until 2016 at the earliest, ideology be damned. That’s a lot harder obstacle to overcome, and in no small part explains the current 28-19 percent difference in the two camps in their “anybody but…” beliefs.
jon1979 on March 26, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I’d take these with a large grain of salt. I don’t really believe this to be true, as I don’t believe that people will truly sit it out just because McCain’s at the top of the ticket. There’s still a little over 7 months for them to get acquainted with their nominee. We still don’t know who the VP choices are, and how those choices affect people.
its vintage duh on March 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Even if a long campaign does reconcile the Gyno-vote to Obama, nothings beats more months of dirt coming from both sides against candidates that Republicans are not allowed so say anything unflattering about.
pedestrian on March 26, 2008 at 1:03 PM
That 22% that want Obama out may be the most sober of the bunch; with those Wright sermons going to be on endless loop over the next months, his chances of winning with a coalition of blacks and limo liberals doesn’t seem likely. If he accepted a VP slot and kept blacks voting for Hillary, the Dems might have a shot.
blue13326 on March 26, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Are these the 19% (or 28%) of Dhimocrats that can never
figure out those “tricky” ballots, or the others, because I do not want to get my hopes up unnecessarily.
HGFinley on March 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Despite a lot of talk earlier about not voting Republican in the generals, there’s not a lot of that on this side anymore.
I for one wanted Romney or Thompson, or at least Giuliani, over McCain. But I’m going to vote for him anyway (and just try not to think too hard about amnesty).
Tzetzes on March 26, 2008 at 1:37 PM
As a Republican, it pains me to say it, but there are quite a few patriotic Democrats (I’m thinking union guys). I doubt Obama will get any of their votes from here on out and there are a lot of those guys in Pennsylvania. Southern whites can be thrown into that category, too and there are a lot of them in North Carolina (and racists, too!). Something tells me those two states won’t be the cakewalk Obama thinks they’ll be.
Kafir on March 26, 2008 at 1:49 PM
I never get polled.
tx2654 on March 26, 2008 at 1:58 PM
My girlfriend is hispanic…and lives in LA. She teaches GE classes to older hispanic students who want to get their their GED in east LA, as a part time job while she gets her phd.
She told me that all her students will vote for McCain, if Hillary loses. These are people who have never voted republican, but they trust McCain more than they trust Obama, and for some reason, they are all really pissed off at obama. His pastor too didn’t help matters.
This election in november will be very interesting. The demographics won’t hold at all, and it’s all changing among the dems especially.
Chudi on March 26, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I’m pulling for both the dem candidates to drop out.
SaintOlaf on March 26, 2008 at 3:28 PM
and Mccain too
SaintOlaf on March 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Bonus exit question: Will those numbers make up the shortfall in GOP-primary-sore-loser voters who would ‘rather stay at home than vote for McCain’?
Reaps on March 26, 2008 at 8:47 PM
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