Conversation — or instruction?
posted at 2:30 pm on March 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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After last week’s speech on race by Barack Obama, many people — even some of Senator Obama’s critics — lauded it as a way to open a “national conversation” on race. Some remarked on Obama’s courage, even though he had essentially avoided the topic despite knowing that Jeremiah Wright’s incendiary rhetoric was a political time bomb waiting to explode, and one Obama ran from defusing before the inevitable detonation. Obama’s call to open a discussion surprises Jonah Goldberg, who wonders when we’ll ever stop talking about race:
Because so many people agree on this brilliant new strategy to heal our national wounds, I can only assume that I’m the one missing something. Because when one luminary after another smacks his forehead like someone who forgot to have a V8 in epiphanic awe over the genius of Obama’s call for a national conversation on race, all I can do is wonder: “What on Earth are you people talking about?” ….
Here I’d been under the impression that every major university (and minor one for that matter) in the country already had boatloads of courses — often entire majors — dedicated to race in America. I’d even read somewhere that professors had incorporated racial themes and issues into classes on everything from Shakespeare to the mating habits of snail darters. And scratching faintly in the back of my mind, I felt some vague memory that these same universities recruited black students and other racial minorities, on the grounds that interracial conversations on campus are as important as talking about math, science and literature. A ghost of an image in my mind’s eye seemed to reveal African American studies centers, banners for Black History Month and copies of books like “Race Matters” and “The Future of the Race” lined up on shelves at college bookstores.
Were all of the corporate diversity consultants and racial sensitivity seminars mere apparitions in a dream? Also disappearing in the memory hole, apparently, were the debates that followed Hurricane Katrina, Trent Lott’s remarks about Strom Thurmond, the Supreme Court confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas, the publication of “The Bell Curve” and O.J. Simpson’s murder trial. Not to mention the ongoing national chatter about affirmative action, racial disparities in prison sentences and racial profiling by law enforcement.
And the thousands of hours of newscasts, television dramas and movies — remember Oscar-winning films such as 2004’s “Crash?” — dedicated to racial issues? It’s as if they never existed, vanishing like the image on a TV screen after the plug’s been pulled. The New York Times’ six-week Pulitzer Prize-winning series, “How Race Is Lived in America”: just an inkblot?
Goldberg has a good point, at least in one sense. We have been asked to see nearly every aspect of American life through the prism of race, as well as gender. Entire industries exist to focus on the failings of America to eliminate the need for these industries, especially in academia, as Goldberg points out. The entertainment industry churns out movies that rely on racial, ethnic, and lifestyle animuses for both dramatic and comedic effect as a constant reminder.
Maybe what we need is less talk and more reflection. We certainly could use a little more empathy. Between the Jeremiah Wrights who see no difference between Jim Crow America and the US today, and those who think that the nation miraculously resolved all racial disparities in the moment we passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, there exists a massive middle ground that understands the massive improvements we have made still have left some room for further work — but who disagree on the extent and nature of government’s role in effecting that change.
Absolutists on either side don’t contribute to understanding; they drive people away. That’s not a conversation, it’s demagoguery. Barack Obama had the opportunity to repudiate the latter but chose not to do so, excusing both it and his support for it over the years as a vestige of days gone by. Better days won’t arrive while people like Obama and Trent Lott pretend that the demagogues somehow contribute to a “conversation”.
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Yeah, my paster is a racist, so what?
Kini on March 25, 2008 at 2:37 PM
Mickey Kaus is making a similar point now over at “Slate” (yes, I know; he’s practically the only reason to click over there.)
WasatchMan on March 25, 2008 at 2:38 PM
How many times I told you that Hussein is playing the race card without explicitly saying it?
You have to read between the lines and see what’s going on.
But who cares? My views here don’t count, don’t matter.
My views are like Britney Spears’ panties, they don’t exist.
Indy Conservative on March 25, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Obama, the most partisan and divisive force in America.
Just say NObama!
Chakra Hammer on March 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Liberals have no memory; the same people who say that smoking pot has no harmful effects.
rockhauler on March 25, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Humans are visual creatures…..racism will ALWAYS exist in some form.
Get over it!
omnipotent on March 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Kini said “Yeah, my “paster” is a racist, so what?”
Well, my “pasta” is racist… it’s black squid ink penne — and it refuses to share a plate with my linguini in white sauce! :)
max1 on March 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Like I said in another thread here this morning:
Food-fight!!!
omnipotent on March 25, 2008 at 2:51 PM
I’m down with a National Discussion On Race. As long as we white folks get to tell EXACTLY what we think about the issue- WITHOUT BEIN’ CALLED RACIST. Shoot, I wish everybody would just tell the whole unvarnished, anti-p.c., TRUTH.
Like this:
or this:
Ex-tex on March 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM
In a place called “Church of Christ,” one would think that race would not matter and that anti-semiticism would not exist. But, hatred of whitey and Jews is the gospel of Rev. Wright and his followers. Hussein Obama and his wife subscribed to this “gospel” which is not a gospel at all, but a sort of bad news for the future of Wright’s followers.
It was clear before the Wright revelation that Obama’s politics was left of left and he was unfit for the presidency. Now, I believe, Obama is unfit for any political office or position of authority in the U.S.
Obama is not to be trusted and that goes for his wife too. What sort of mother would bring children to a hell hole of a church?
saved on March 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM
I wish it were as simple as a good down with the struggle food fight, then I could relate to a good Neapolitan dessert.
But I’m a just typical white guy, what do I know. Barack Hussein Obama explains away racism as someone else’s problem. There’s less of an emotional response than one with facts about a mentor that provides a moral compass.
I’m sure Michelle Obama would have lots to say about that. So, where’s she been lately???
Kini on March 25, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Ever thought you would see a Presidential election where it wasn’t a choice of who can better lead the country, but who will wind up doing the least damage in four years?
pilamaye on March 25, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Excellent quotes, Ex-tex!
Bob's Kid on March 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM
National discussion on race? Not interested. Fed up to here (pulls hand across neck). blah blah blah blah
JiangxiDad on March 25, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Now if you wanna have a national discussion on promoting patriotism, count me in. Uhm, the Republican kind–love of country.
JiangxiDad on March 25, 2008 at 3:03 PM
hey all you people shut up ,,you are making chrissy matthews cry,,
rico101 on March 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Ex-tex on March 25, 2008 at 2:52 PM
Socialism, and the entire raison d’etre of the Left is based on grievances and dependencies.
On topic, MLK is very disappointed.
Entelechy on March 25, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Lord Vader continued to distance himself from his “spiritual mentor” of the last 20 years, Emperor Palpatine. “I was never present when he made some of these controversial statements, such as accusing the Gungans of starting the Clone Wars, or how Alderaan’s chickens were coming home to roost,” says Vader. “I absolutely denounce these statements, but I can no more disown Emperor Palpatine than I could disown my own mother. She was, in many ways, a typical white woman, prone to cross the street to avoid packs of Jawas, and admitting she was afraid of Tusken raiders. I think we should focus on the good works Palpatine has done. Let’s talk about all the new jobs created by his massive Death Star public works projects, or how much he’s done to dispel the ugly stereotypes about the Sith…”
Doctor Zero on March 25, 2008 at 3:06 PM
It’s B. Hussein O’s party that “cares” about minorities, so much so that those minorities chosen by Democrats to be there beloved mascots, are self-destructing in the process.
American blacks have received trillions in tax dollars and are far worse off than when Democrats lowered themselves to help them.
Here’s some frank talk on race, Hussein. How about Democrats stop “helping” American blacks before you succeed in extinguishing them entirely?
The Civil Rights movement has now become a net loss for America and is literally killing black Americans. The goals and ideology have been hijacked and cynically abused in order to seize power and money for the race baiting poverty pimps of the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus and for the absolutely worthless Democrat Party as a whole.
If B. Hussein O. can agree with all this, then I’m all in for his campaign.
NoDonkey on March 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM
Legal prejudice has been in place in order to provide some cock-eyed sense of justice. A war that killed more Americans than any other wasn’t enough to settle the issue of Black vs White.
What is so riveting about Obama’s association with Black racists has to do with a window being opened to just plain White folk to see what the conversation really is. Taken out of context or not, the language and hatred is seething against Whites and America. All the give aways, bias, forced integration, false race ratios, Affirmative Action and license to mock Whitey, the Jews and Asians have all served to create a separatist nation of hatred and resentment that is supplied for in part by the middle class of America that Obama’s church wishes to destroy.
Hening on March 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM
As a middle-aged white male in America I am not allowed to speak about race. If I do it will be misconstrued and I will be forever branded a racist. (I guess if I was a democrat it would fine because I could simply claim to be sleep deprived!)((come to think of it if I was a democrat I could get away with a lot of things, like not thinking, of course I would have to surrender two thirds of my active brain cells)) Until we can all speak our minds there will always be a problem, and that I sadly don’t see changing, ever
midwesternperspective on March 25, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I read Jonah’s piece earlier today and I have been thinking the same thing. What more do ‘they’ want?
Who is ‘they’? What DO ‘they’ want? That is THE question that keeps running thru my thoughts, BUT I don’t think I want to know the answer.
What is demanded of todays whites to rectify this never ending, hundreds of years old slave-owner anger.
I didn’t do it.
The North Africans were the FIRST to OWN SLAVES, thousands of years ago. Are they still to blame as well? Or are the whites in America the only ones left holding the guilty card?
Someone tell the world the answer to our question “what does it take to end this?”
Or is this just another way to distract from Wright’s own deficiencies and obama’s close relationship to that evil man.
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Or is this just another way to distract, period.
shooter on March 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM
“Racism” will always be the cry, for as long as people kowtow to the – the color of our skin shouldn’t matter, but we want our color to always be at the forefront – race and racism panderers.
For as long as there is a Black Entertainment Television channel, a Congressional Black Caucus, a Black History Month, a United Negro College Fund, a National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, et al., ad nauseum, then any assimilation into America will be impossible.
Why should assimilation be the goal, when so much can be had by intentionally not assimilating, and by then crying out that we are owed because we haven’t been allowed to assimilate?
For as long as America kowtows to the Black separatists, the separation will remain, and it will be by design.
OhEssYouCowboys on March 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM
More perceived than real I’ll wager.
Kini on March 25, 2008 at 3:11 PM
And propagated by the very people that seek equality.
Kini on March 25, 2008 at 3:13 PM
There are laws prohibiting racial discrimination in government, education, employment and every other form of public accommodation. It is against the law to discrimination in this country. Check that, unless you are white. It is legally permissible to discriminate against whites — in the name of diversity of course and to undue the effects of racism that did exist 50 years ago. Other than that form of institutionalized racism, we are already living in a post-racial society.
The only other discrimination that is permitted to exist is that which resides in the hearts and minds of the people. To outlaw that discrimination would require the thought police and would violate the freedoms upon which this country was built. Rev. Wright may be a vile spewer of racist ignorance, but I will defend his right to spew that hatred — but maybe just not with his tax exempt status.
It is only the peddlers of victimhood that are calling for
a conversationinstruction.tommylotto on March 25, 2008 at 3:18 PM
My church’s motto (why does a church have a motto?) is: “Where Christ is central and diversity is cherished”
So, Jonah, add a thousand liberal protestant churches and their youth programs, every junior high and high school social studies program, and countless other youth oriented pseudo-educational functions to the list of a million information sources dedicated almost solely to talking about race.
Please, I beg of you, for everyone’s sake: stop talking about race. Just stfu and pretend everyone looks the same, and you’ll quickly find it to be a huge improvement.
Jaibones on March 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM
The Audacity of Rhethoric, by a great man, Mr. Thomas Sowell.
Entelechy on March 25, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Can you imagine discussing race with the likes of Michelle Obama? She’d end up being taken away in handcuffs while they drew a chalkline around your once lively, warm body.
UnEasyRider on March 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM
A simple solution to the problem. Someone needs to ask Obama if he believes Jesus was black. Thats it and thats all.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on March 25, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Yep, it would be great to be able to air everything out without the fear of being labeled racist, etc.
I personally have always subscribed to MLK’s ideal of judging people by the content of their character and/or deeds and not the color of their skin as there are good and bad in all races.
However as one of the Booker quotes Ex-Tex posted illustrates there are those that make a living on playing the race/victim card so whenever anyone points out someone’s character flaws and/or bad deeds and that person is of color the race/victim cards come flying out instead of honestly evaluating the assertions being made about the person.
Every time one of the race-baiters falsely throws out the victim/race card in an attempt to distract from the real issue (the persons character and/or deeds) it damages the progress of minorities in their quest to be equal and successful, and doing so accomplishes nothing except to continue to drive a wedge between the races, but as Booker points out:
If Obama was truly about healing racial divides and issues then perhaps he should honestly look at himself in the mirror and evaluate the true content of his character because if he did he would realize that continually associating with and looking up to people like Rev Wright is not moving forward to improve race relations but is merely playing the same old race/victim card.
In other words, if he truly wanted the wound to heal then he should stop “picking the scab.”
Liberty or Death on March 25, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Simple. After 44 years, the government stops their social meddling, and individuals take responsibility.
Scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaary for some….
Lockstein13 on March 25, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Ed, this seems like a strawman. Who says this?
Clark1 on March 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Unfortunately, racism does still exist. The only way it will fade away is for people to shun racists, you know, the way Obama should have shunned Wright.
flipflop on March 25, 2008 at 4:21 PM
“It is legally permissible to discriminate against whites”
Absolutely – what does “Equal Opportunity Employer” mean, really?
It means that if you’re a white guy, if you are equally as qualified (or more, really) as anyone but another white guy applying for a job, it’s “thanks for applying and good luck”.
Look at the federal government – minorities are employed at rates twice their representation in the country.
Racism is legal and firmly ingrained in US law, just as long as it’s focused on white males. It’s the Democrat Party way.
NoDonkey on March 25, 2008 at 4:26 PM
call me skeptical but something tells me the government choosing to ignore the problem wouldn’t solve deep seated issues of racial inequality. Imagine the headlines…”Centuries-old racial disparities solved by government insouciance”
crr6 on March 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Racial equality is a fallacy…different cultures, traditions, history and attitudes.
Gender equality is a fallacy…different physical abilities, different emotional compasses, different views and chemistry.
Economic equality is a fallacy…different drives, different intelligence different goals and needs.
The discussion needs to be about equal opportunity! The only thing promised by our forefathers was that we would come into this world equal. That is naked and screaming. Government should only act as a referee. Insuring that we all have the same opportunities to succeed in our pursuits. Generally, when the government tries to legislate equality, the only result is abject failure and a whole heapin helpin of unintended consequences.
insideout on March 25, 2008 at 4:33 PM
yes, us white males are so oppressed.
crr6 on March 25, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Absolutely true,of course. People originally came to the US for just those reasons. Many still do and try to. However many of our native born population doesn’t believe in what you wrote, either because they’re guilty liberals, or because they have fewer talents and achieve less. America needs a great out-migration to the socialist nations, and an offsetting in-migration from the rest of the world of those people who support what you wrote. But it’s not gonna happen, so I think your comments increasingly fall on deaf ears.
JiangxiDad on March 25, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Because strolling into Wright’s “church” and buying a DVD of the sermons that church thinks are his greatest “hits”, or paying licensing fees like Fox did, and playing those sermons on TV, is a “lynching”?
Excusing Wright’s hate speech as “context” and lying about his “tough” upper-class upbringing is bringing us together?
What about Wright’s hand picked replacement who claimed the “lynching”? What was the “context” of his hate beyond that which he learned from Wright?
I’m not going to be lectured by a racial supremacist about how I “owe him” for 140 year old grievances based upon self-delusional victicratic lies about WWII, AIDs, drug abuse amongst minorities, special Israeli bombs that kill only “Arabs and Blacks” or any of the other sick propaganda these Hamas sympathizing terrorist apologists want to spew.
…and that goes for Sharpton, J. Jackson, Wright, Moss and especially Barack Hussein Obama.
DANEgerus on March 25, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Only a white liberal could believe that having a government which doesn’t discriminate on the basis of race is racist, or is at least culpable for white liberal perceptions of racism among other white liberals.
Jaibones on March 25, 2008 at 6:11 PM
There are some lingering pockets of discrimination against blacks in this country.
That however is not what’s holding them back. Their problem is of their own making. Entitlement mentality, hostility to a real education and misbehavior are all far stronger negatives for the black community.
The Whistler on March 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Obama doesn’t seem to be taking this conversation very serious. He hasn’t said much about it in a week. If it’s so effing important maybe he should get in everyone’s face about it every time he speaks. Maybe he could get his friends Wright and Farrakhan involved to add spice and generate more attention.
snaggletoothie on March 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Every time I see a photo of Wright & Obama, I think of another hip young man who’s always being embarrassed by a grumpy old man–Sanford & Son.
jgapinoy on March 25, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Reflection seems to be talking to oneself, so it’s hard to see how it would be an improvement.
Kralizec on March 25, 2008 at 8:46 PM
a “national conversation” on race
Mojack420 on March 26, 2008 at 1:39 AM
I know good black people, I know bad black people.
I know good white people, I know bad white people.
Everyone knows good from bad.
What’s there to talk about?
2Tru2Tru on March 26, 2008 at 2:39 AM
Every living creature born on this planet has just the one natural right – the right to try. No other natural rights exist.
OldEnglish on March 26, 2008 at 8:01 AM
Just a thought, but, when people stop feeling sorry for themselves, stop blaming others for the current state of their lives, and realize that they do have the opportunity to make a better lives for themselves and their family because they do live the greatest country the planet has ever known, the United States of America.
Keep this in mind. Asians were once considered “minorities.” However, they did not let their “minority” status be an excuse. Instead, they worked hard at whatever tasks they had to. They worked hard in the classroom to gain as much education as they possibly could. They cherished and strengthen their familial bonds.
The result of this is that they have moved beyond being “minorities” and joined the American mainstream. They are no longer “victims” in need of government hand-outs. They are no longer a “constituency” for the Democrat Party and the left wing loons who can’t abide by people being free, independent and self-sufficient.
Wildcatter1980 on March 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM
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