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Noted opponent of Electoral College: Electoral College should decide nomination

posted at 2:39 pm on March 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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This isn’t quite as hypocritical as her critics on the left are making it out to be — you can oppose a system while resigned to the fact that you’re stuck with it for the time being — but it looks pathetic, which in turn points to how desperate she is, which in turn is delightful. Feel her pain:

Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for president, proposed another gauge Sunday by which superdelegates might judge whether to support Mrs. Clinton or Senator Barack Obama.

He suggested that they consider the electoral votes of the states that each of them has won.

“So who carried the states with the most Electoral College votes is an important factor to consider because ultimately, that’s how we choose the president of the United States,” Mr. Bayh said on CNN’s “Late Edition.”

Hillary, November 20, 2000: “I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it’s time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president.” Utterly inconsistent with Bayh’s position? No. Begging for a question at the next debate about whether she’d still support abolition of the Electoral College for November’s election? Sure. Better yet, try this one on for size, as you may be seeing it quoted again in the not-distant future if Her Majesty pulls off a “selected, not elected” nomination swipe via the superdelegates. From the same CBS article:

The first lady also said that because of the closeness of this year’s presidential election, “I hope no one is ever in doubt again about whether their vote counts.”

Bayh’s point is stupid, not only because many of the big states where she beat Obama will go blue in November no matter who the nominee is but because, as Jay Cost notes, Democratic primary voters aren’t the same as general election voters. Maybe having Hillary as the nominee will be better because it motivates more of the base in those states to turn out, or maybe most of them will turn out anyway for Obama and he’ll pull in all sorts of independents and Obamicans in the battleground states who didn’t vote in the primary. Hard to say. And maybe just maybe Hillary only won those big states because that’s where she dumped all her money while Obama was smartly playing for cheap delegates in the caucus states. From the Journal:

“She can win every Democratic vote in the world [during the primary] and not win a general election,” says Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. He points to the small segment of more liberal Democrats who participate in a primary compared to the huge cross section of voters likely to turn out in a general election.

Sen. Clinton won Ohio, for example, with 54% of the vote, compared with 44% for Sen. Obama. But a recent Rasmussen poll of likely voters projected her losing Ohio to Sen. McCain in a general election, 46% to 40%. The poll showed Sen. McCain defeating Sen. Obama in the state by the same margin; 14% of respondents said they were undecided.

Allan Lichtman, a political historian at American University, says a candidate’s primary showing has very little to do with the general-election result. “The argument holds no water at all, not even a thimbleful,” Mr. Lichtman says. He points to the 1980 primary, when incumbent Democrat Jimmy Carter carried most of the big swing states, and early polls predicted he would defeat Republican Ronald Reagan in the general election by as much as 25 percentage points. Instead, Mr. Reagan decisively captured the White House.

The silver lining: A woman of her high public profile has no limit to the sorts of things she can do after she drops out. Dare I suggest … acting? Co-starring Fred Thompson as grizzled yet lovable NATO liaison Rusty “Steel” Cobb…


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She’s a Democrat.

Democrats don’t have to be consistent from one moment to the next, much less from one year to the next.

NoDonkey on March 24, 2008 at 2:49 PM

The very same logic that calls for eliminating the Electoral College calls even more so for eliminating the Senate.

MB4 on March 24, 2008 at 2:49 PM

I have sympathy for her argument. She won all the key must win DEM states and all the pivotal battleground states. Obama racked up delegates with causus wins and unwinnable Red states.

tommylotto on March 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM

You see, your first mistake was expecting consistency out of a Democrat..

its vintage duh on March 24, 2008 at 2:51 PM

NoDonkey on March 24, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Crap…beat me to it. I need to start reading the posts faster…

its vintage duh on March 24, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Bayh’s right, and tommylotto’s right. The fact that the dems can’t deal with facts isn’t something that concerns me though.

funky chicken on March 24, 2008 at 2:52 PM

The party that lies together, lies to-get-her

Kini on March 24, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Dealing with facts and reporting facts seems to be in common with both the fact finding dem committees and fact finding press.

Fact are there to be made up.

Kini on March 24, 2008 at 2:59 PM

They’re drowning in their own horrible processes.

Now let’s let them handle our health care and economy.

Rogue Traveler on March 24, 2008 at 2:59 PM

This whole thing with the Democratic campaign is now gone beyond silly and is now entering the realm of being completely ridiculous. How many more empty straws are Shillary’s followers going to grasp at before they finally come to the inevitable conclusion, whether they like it or not, that their beloved candidate is not going to win the Democratc nomination for President? All they are doing with making goofy suggestions like they are here is just making her and the rest of them look more like the public fools they have already established themselves to be. With everything we have seen come from her and her camp, is there anyone out there who honestly, sincerely believes this lady is even remotely qualified and capable of running this country for the next four years? Based on what I have seen up to now, I would have to reply with a hale and hearty Hell No!

pilamaye on March 24, 2008 at 3:00 PM

“I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it’s time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president.”

It amazes me how the English language has become so bastardized. So dumbed down. Orwell was right – Newspeak will happen, because the language is being destroyed, piecemeal. The United States is a federal republic. Always has been. I’d like to say that it always will be – but Socialism throws a wrench in that moving part. So does the bastardization of the lanquage.

It’s the same with the bastardized use of “Congressman,” as being synonymous only with “Representative.” The last time that I read the Constitution, a Senator was a member of Congress, too. But, hell, I’ve always said that ignorance and illiteracy are the seeds of Socialism. And so it goes.

OhEssYouCowboys on March 24, 2008 at 3:01 PM

McCain already has 10% on the Democrats, and that’s before you take into account that polls always underestimate the Republican.

Mr. Grumpy has this in the bag, save an unmitigated disaster.

Seixon on March 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM

OBAMA’S PASTOR RAISED IN PRIVILEGE, NOT POVERTY

How do I know?

It happens that, as a Philadelphian, I attended Central High School – the same public school Jeremiah Wright attended from 1955 to 1959. He could have gone to an integrated neighborhood school, but he chose to go to Central, a virtually all-white school. Central is the second oldest public high school in the country, which attracts the most serious academic students in the city. The school then was about 80% Jewish and 95% white. The African-American students, like all the others, were there on merit. Generally speaking, we came from lower/middle class backgrounds. Many of our parents had not received a formal education and we tended to live in row houses. In short, economically, we were roughly on par.

I attended Central a few years after Rev. Wright, so I did not know him personally. But I knew of him and I know where he used to live – in a tree-lined neighborhood of large stone houses in the Germantown section of Philadelphia. This is a lovely neighborhood to this day. Moreover, Rev. Wright’s father was a prominent pastor and his mother was a teacher and later vice-principal and disciplinarian of the Philadelphia High School for Girls, also a distinguished academic high school. Two of my acquaintances remember her as an intimidating and strict disciplinarian and excellent math teacher. In short, Rev. Wright had a comfortable upper-middle class upbringing. It was hardly the scene of poverty and indignity suggested by Senator Obama to explain what he calls Wright’s anger and what I describe as his hatred.

In recent days, we have seen clips of several of Rev. Wright’s sermons, showing him declaring “G-d Damn America,” blaming America for intentionally creating the drug problem, for creating the AIDS virus, for supporting Israeli “state terrorism against Palestinians,” for being responsible for causing 9-11, for being white supremacist and racist and for intentionally keeping people in poverty.

We have also learned that, last year, Rev. Wright’s Church honored with a lifetime achievement award Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan, who has said that “Judaism is a gutter religion,” that “Hitler was a very great man” and that “white people are potential humans, they haven’t evolved yet.” In fact, Rev. Wright accompanied Farrakhan in the 1980s on a visit to Muammar Gaddafi’s Libya, which was then illegal under U.S. law. Nevertheless, the Church and Wright’s successor as pastor, Rev. Otis Moss III, have issued a statement defending and praising Wright, while completely ignoring Wright’s horrific statements.

Morton A. Klein is National President of the Zionist Organization of America.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2008/03/24/thoughts-on-wright.aspx

funky chicken on March 24, 2008 at 3:11 PM

I think maybe she is getting confused with a ceremony in DC. DC…Tuzla….it’s all a war zone. Somehow I think Tuzla was a safer place.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 24, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Seixon on March 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I hope you’re right. But I thought Dole had it in the bag, and Obama doesn’t have the same baggage Clinton had, though he’s working hard to get it.

silverfox on March 24, 2008 at 3:25 PM

McCain already has 10% on the Democrats, and that’s before you take into account that polls always underestimate the Republican.

Mr. Grumpy has this in the bag, save an unmitigated disaster.

Seixon on March 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM

We’ll see. Once the Dems have a nominee, the media is gonna do everything they can to drag McCain down, everything. And maybe you’re right that he’ll pretty much take this election, but the media will definitely do him damage.

doubleplusundead on March 24, 2008 at 3:27 PM

I did see Hillary take a good tack in that she said that winner take all delegates states should be broken down proportionally. That it would seem would hurt Obama.

She is arging that people voted for her in those states and that disproportionate delegate slates have helped Obama making him selected and not elected

William Amos on March 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Mr. Grumpy has this in the bag, save an unmitigated disaster.

Seixon on March 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Like making Lieberman his VP.

Akzed on March 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM

How about we just load 6-shooter with 5 empty chambers….

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on March 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM

How about we just load 6-shooter with 5 empty chambers….

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on March 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Heck sport them two empty chambers (House and Senate)to fire at each other. (metaphorically speaking)

William Amos on March 24, 2008 at 3:36 PM

How about Herself gets no empty chambers and we can moveon with the election?

GeneSmith on March 24, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I have sympathy for her argument. She won all the key must win DEM states and all the pivotal battleground states. Obama racked up delegates with causus wins and unwinnable Red states.

tommylotto on March 24, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Problem here is that she has divided the party more than anyone could have ever imagined in the process of winning those few big states.

If she is the nominee many democrats will sit home, and many independents will vote McCain.

Her nomination is almost a guaranteed loss, and since she doesn’t deserve the nomination by any reasonable standards anyway, I doubt the the democrats are going to go out of their way to lose.

Only time will tell.

Dorvillian on March 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Is it any sillier than deciding that the superdelegates should vote according to the pledged delegate totals or the total popular vote (excluding Florida or Michigan)? The superdelegates are there to protect the party from the sometimes disastrous will of the Democratic primary electorate, which in three consecutive election cycles nominated George McGovern, Jimmy Carter and Jimmy Carter. Of course, in the next two cycles they came up with Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis, but there at least the primary voters were going with what the establishment wanted (as were Clinton, Gore & Kerry). I doubt if the supers are ready to force Barack to the back of the bus yet, of course, but if Hillary racks up big wins and the air starts to come out of the Obama balloon?

Brainster on March 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM

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