Hosting company that suspended Wilders’s site also hosts … Hezbollah? Update: Or does it?

posted at 9:55 am on March 24, 2008 by Allahpundit

Too bad to check, but check it I did after someone sent me the link to this post. Can Network Solutions’ terms of use be so exquisitely nuanced that a Dutch MP’s critique of Islam qualifies as “objectionable material of any kind or nature” but a top terrorist group’s propaganda organ doesn’t? Behold:

hizbollah.png

Here’s the site. According to the English-language page, it’s official. Quoth Wilders, “How many ways are there left for me to be worked against? If necessary, I’ll go hand out DVDs personally on the [city square].”

Another curious catch by that same site in the first link: How come a Google search turns up no direct link to Wilders’s site? Enter “fitna the movie” or “fitnathemovie.com” and you get no results for the film’s homepage. Any techies able to explain? I can’t believe Google would blacklist the site; is this just an artifact of Network Solutions suspending it?

And finally, a correction from Saturday. I thought this was the film’s UK website. Follow the link (or look up the domain info) and you’ll see that it clearly isn’t. Sorry for the error.

Update: One of our techies claims in the comments that Network Solutions isn’t hosting Hezbollah’s page, they merely registered the domain name for them. Can anyone confirm? Apologies for the mistake, if so.

Update: Seixon confirms that it’s hosted by a Syrian company. Note to self: Never write about Internet tech again.


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So who is surprized by this?

Vntnrse on March 24, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Network Solutions = Profiles in Courage. Not.

AZCoyote on March 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM

What pressure can be brought to bear on Nitwit solutions?

wepeople on March 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Can’t Hot Air host the movie?

Vatican Watcher on March 24, 2008 at 10:04 AM

I can’t believe Google would blacklist the site

Are you being sarcastic?

Aristotle on March 24, 2008 at 10:05 AM

What a mess.

nailinmyeye on March 24, 2008 at 10:06 AM

Allah,
The site not being on Google isn’t necessarily due to blacklisting. In fact I doubt it. How long has the site been up? Given the amount of incoming links to the site from high page-rank websites like HA among others would get the site indexed. If it’s only weeks old, then it’s possible that it just didn’t get indexed, though that seems highly unlikely given my past experiences.

Right Tracker on March 24, 2008 at 10:08 AM

Can’t Hot Air host the movie?

Vatican Watcher on March 24, 2008 at 10:04 AM

Or, I wonder if bloggers in general can host it, at least for download, until accounts are suspended. Someone on the other thread mentioned bittorrent. One or both of these together could send it viral, and then it is out there. Wilders must have another idea. Could he not go with another host? Probably no one wants to touch this.

nailinmyeye on March 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM

is this just an artifact of Network Solutions suspending it?

Artifact of being suspended. Site might not have been live for enough time to get indexed. Etc. Lots of possibilities.

lorien1973 on March 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Might want to pull this article. The info above doesn’t show where the site is hosted, it just shows who is managing the DNS entry (Domain Name Service). If you buy a domain at a company like Network Solutions they often keep authoritative control of your domain name, but point it to the company that hosts your web site.

I performed a trace route to english.hizbollah.org and the domain is apparently hosted in Syria. Here’s the data for you network geeks like me:

14 ggr3.n54ny.ip.att.net
15 ew4-att-1-us.new.seabone.net
16 pal6-pal7-racc1.pal.seabone.net
17 unassigned.pal.seabone.net
18 82.137.192.6
19 Request timed out.
20 da02iplns01-ge-0-0.steisp.net.sy
21 82.137.205.240
22 82.137.205.249
23 Request timed out.
24 Request timed out.
Trace complete.

The last recognizable step in this path to the site has a “.sy” label, meaning a Syrian network address.

This means that while the domain was purchased at Network Solutions, the site is most likely hosted in Syria.

cannonball on March 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM

I did a further search, and the domain does popup if you search the entire address:

Search Query

And it’s now showing up with the Network Solutions temp page. That’s bizarre that it shows up now. After the site goes down.

Right Tracker on March 24, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Here is the hosting info:

http://www.whois.sc/hizbollah.org

IP Address: 82.137.205.243
IP Location Syrian Arab Republic – Dimashq – Damascus – Stepdnnet

It’s hosted Syria

lorien1973 on March 24, 2008 at 10:18 AM

cannonball on March 24, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Domain is probably not set up to respond to ICMP requests – as that’s the easiest way to cause a DOS attack.

lorien1973 on March 24, 2008 at 10:19 AM

That’s bizarre that it shows up now. After the site goes down.

Right Tracker on March 24, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Not bizarre. Just shows that google had the site in queue to be spidered/indexed; but now that it’s gone it shows what is currently there for the domain.

lorien1973 on March 24, 2008 at 10:20 AM

Not bizarre. Just shows that google had the site in queue to be spidered/indexed; but now that it’s gone it shows what is currently there for the domain.

I should have said suspicious instead of bizarre. But I still think a site that has stirred this much buzz wasn’t indexed until it went down. Minutes went by between searches and then it popped up in the results. It just seems a little too coordinated. But most likely it is just bad timing.

Right Tracker on March 24, 2008 at 10:25 AM

I have domain names registered with Net Sol, but they do not host my website.

Connie on March 24, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Hizbollah.org is hosted by a Syrian Telecommunications business:

IP address: 82.137.205.243
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per ns-pri.ripe.net.]
Reverse DNS authenticity: [Unknown]
ASN: 29256
ASN Name: STE-AS (Syrian Telecommunication Establishment)
IP range connectivity: 1
Registrar (per ASN): RIPE
Country (per IP registrar): SY [Syrian Arab Republic]
Country Currency: Unknown
Country IP Range: 82.137.192.0 to 82.137.255.255
Country fraud profile: Normal
City (per outside source): Damascus, Dimashq

Make that your official BURN notice, AP. ;)

I don’t see why Wilder’s is having such a hard time hosting his site. Just host it somewhere else!

Seixon on March 24, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Oh, and Google not listing it anymore is probably a result of someone having clicked a link through Google previously, having it come up 404 Not Found, and Google thusly removing it from their index.

Time to put the tin foil hats away boys and girls. Welcome to the Internet. ;)

Seixon on March 24, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Out of curiosity, I tried the website–it is an actual working site–of course, I can’t read a word. Anyone here read Arabic?

sonja13 on March 24, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Another commentor asked a good question earlier: Can HotAir host it?

JustTruth101 on March 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM

I had another thought on this. When Free Republic bans someone, if you click on their screen name, you get a page that says “this person has been banned or suspended,” but because each member can edit their own homepage there, some members have edited their pages as a joke to say “this person has been banned or suspended,” when, in fact, they have not been.

There is really no way of telling if the page that appears now was edited by NS or by the owner of fitnathemovie.com. Anyone can put in links to NS on a page.

However, as Network Solutions has made an official comment on this, there is no reason to think the new page was not put up by Net Sol. I guess.

I have no experience with them as a host. I didn’t even know they did hosting. I thought they were just registrars for domain names. To ban a domain name seems unlikely (considering some of the bizarre names out there).

Just thoughts…

Connie on March 24, 2008 at 10:39 AM

Another commentor asked a good question earlier: Can HotAir host it?

JustTruth101 on March 24, 2008 at 10:37 AM

(cross posting from the other Fitna Hot Air Thread)
I work at the company that hosts HotAir/Michelle Malkin. Given the potential traffic the Fitna movie site could generate (both wanted and maliciuous) the Fitna site would need its own dedicated hardware separate from HA/MM as well as DDoS mitigation protection. We have hosted many significant traffic events, so while it is possible, it’s not cheap.

IMHO, I do NOT recommend putting the Fitna site on the HotAir/MM config, unless you want all of them to crash if the Fitna gets really busy. We don’t want to break HA/MM’s budget hosting budget!

cannonball on March 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Update: Seixon confirms that it’s hosted by a Syrian company. Note to self: Never write about Internet tech again.

While I certainly commend you for posting the correction (not that I’d expect otherwise from you), it really is a distinction without a difference.

Sure, they aren’t HOSTING the site, that IS a difference, but the same company that will deep six a site because it might offend Muslims are quite happy to register a domain for a KNOWN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION?

“What? Hezbollah.org? Hezbollah? Never heard of ’em…”

Right. Pull the other one, Jihadi Network Solutions.

Allah-u-FUBAR.

Misha I on March 24, 2008 at 11:52 AM

Misha I on March 24, 2008 at 11:52 AM

There should be no reason that Wilders cannot transfer domain management to another DNS provider.

Network Solutions are a big pile of assholes anyhow. I found a domain name that was available, and was searching around to find the best deal to purchase it. Searched various sites, but when I performed a search through Network Solutions, they placed a hold on the domain name. This meant that when I went back to the most economical site (GoDaddy fyi) it told me the domain was unavailable.

I had to phone NS and demand they release the domain name they had illegitimately hijacked. The slimy fuckers.

LimeyGeek on March 24, 2008 at 2:27 PM

This is one of those “isn’t it bad enough?” situations.

It’s bad enough that NS refuses to host dissidents against terror. That’s bad enough.

It was kind of inevitable that someone would make this hosting/registering error, though, now that I think about it.

On the other hand, what unsavory characters does NS actually host, hmmm?

PS LimeyGeek – they say right on their front page that they put temporary “holds” on some searched domains to prevent others from simply snagging popular searches out from under the original inquirer. It may have been inconvenient, but they weren’t trying to “steal” it – they just assume that if you do the domain search at their site you’re planning to register at their site.

Merovign on March 24, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Merovign on March 24, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Yes, I’m aware of what their stated ‘policy’ is. It’s bullcrap. They’re abusing a feature of the DNS system to twist the arm of people that don’t understand such tech. I do understand this tech – intimately – and know damned well they’re pulling a shonky move.

LimeyGeek on March 24, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Hmmm…hizbollah.org is down.

Curiouser and curiouser

LimeyGeek on March 24, 2008 at 4:12 PM

the fact that NS doesn’t (didn’t) host hizbollah.org doesn’t exempt them from blame. They could cancel/suspend the registration of the URL.

I hope Wilders figures it out because I don’t see how it’s anymore offensive than the plethora of Al Qaeda sympathizer sites or crap like http://www.stormfront.org if they can get hosting certainly a film should be able to assuming it doesn’t have kiddie porn (which I can’t imagine they have in a movie on religious extremism)

MannyT-vA on March 25, 2008 at 6:29 AM