Laura Ingraham hosted Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America. Klein and Rev. Jeremiah Wright went to the same high school in Philadelphia which was all white and all Jewish – which he chose to go to. His father…

Isn’t that the whole point?

Yes, that things are different is indeed the point. Which means that the word always is incorrect…that was the point of contention. :-)

Now, of course, things are very different.

baldilocks on March 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Isn’t that the whole point? This is not the year 1860, 1950, 1960 or even 1970.

This whole thing of living in the past is what muslim extremists do, still talking about the crusades like it happened yesterday.

Can we for once talk about racism in America without going back 40 or 140 years ago? Can’t we talk about racism as it relates to now? No, we can’t. Because there is no reason to justifiably cry out against injustice in the now, is there?

I don’t carry the “white” man’s guilt. My whole life as an adult, minorities have benefited from affirmative action and race related business requirements that will never benefit me. But in my mind, I don’t need it, I’ll do it on my own.

But they do have power over our lives.

Yes, I said that.

No. I’m suggesting that I don’t care if someone hates me because of something existential about me if he/she has no power over my life.
baldilocks on March 24, 2008 at 9:34 PM

But they do have power over our lives. Look at how anti-white views have taken over academia. Those views spill over into public policy, influence elections, and so forth.

Speaking of two-way streets -

Obama says in Dreams that he was proud that his late Kenyan grandfather had converted to Islam because he saw it as evidence that he was anti-white. Sadly, during his visit to Kenya in 1988, he was distressed to discover that Onyango had worked for many years as a domestic servant to British colonialists, and that he had gotten rich by introducing white ways on his farms. As Obama listens to the third wife of his polygamous grandfather tell the old man’s story, he writes (p. 406 of Dreams):

“… I, too, had felt betrayed. … I had also imagined him an independent man, a man of his people, opposed to white rule. There was no real basis for this image, I now realized—only the letter he had written to Gramps saying that he didn’t want his one son marrying white. That, and his Muslim faith, which in my mind had become linked with the Nation of Islam back in the States. What Granny had told us scrambled that image completely, causing ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House n*****.”

Another apology in a long list of apologies.

Ever better.

Malcolm X. thought he was above chickens roosting on him.

Not quite, bro.

The reverend is more likely to attract Boobies.

(The sea-going birds, or the Hatch, of course.)

Yes, always. Are you suggesting a person of color has never discriminated against, pre judged, or even killed a caucasion just because the color of his skin?

No. I’m suggesting that I don’t care if someone hates me because of something existential about me if he/she has no power over my life. The situations you’ve used as examples are what I’m talking about wrt to power.

An analogy: it’s well known how Arab Muslims often view infidels. Would we care if they had no power to affect the lives of us infidel? No. It would be a One Way Street of give-a-crap.

However, when Atta-sorts come over here to blow sh*t up, then they have the “power” to affect change in my life and yours–changes we do not want to occur. In such a case, we must fight back. Two-way street.

Any racism which blacks held toward whites in the early parts of the country’s existence registered zero on white peoples’ give-a-crap meter; the reverse, however, is not true. Not blaming–you weren’t here, neither was I–just fact.

Now, of course, things are very different.

baldilocks on March 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Yes, always. Are you suggesting a person of color has never discriminated against, pre judged, or even killed a caucasion just because the color of his skin?

The question is why, given that it’s real, he now presumes to lecture America about it as if he cares when he was only too happy to keep his mouth shut for 13 months lest it hurt his electoral chances.

He’s kept his mouth shut about “it” for his entire life. Only when his “pastor/mentor” got outed did it even become an issue. An issue, BTW, that he does NOT want to bring up anymore.

Whether this “pastor” grew up in a middle class neighborhood or not is unimportant. What comes out of his racist, America hating mouth is. Obama drank from that well for 20 years. And we wonder WHY he will not cover his heart during the national anthem?? We wonder WHY he will not wear a flag pin on his lapel?? We wonder WHY he refers to his grandmother as a “typical white person”??? We wonder WHY his wife has never been proud of this country???

I don’t wonder. Obama believes EVERY SINGLE WORD that his pastor/mentor/spiritual adviser has EVER spoken. And he is a liar when he says otherwise.

In fact, can some Philadelphian verify that Central High School is a publicly funded school for which the government chooses the students from outside districts (Germantown being an outside district)?

You mean this whole Rev. Wright church operation is a big racket?

This crap about rich whitey the Rev. Wright was spewing should have been homilies about his rich mommy?

This supports my contention that much of religion is about the money money money and the power power power.

They came of age in the late fifties and early sixties, a time when segregation was still the law of the land

Baloney! During the seventy five years of my life it has never been the law of the USA or of any of the several communitees in which I have lived. It was the law in limited communitees mostly in the South and where Senator Bird lived.

Thomas Sowell and jl have the story straight.

I’ll vote for him if he personally captures Osama Bin Laden.

Otherwise, not.

Former classmate: Wright came from “a comfortable upper-class upbringing”

Classmate:

In short, Rev. Wright had a comfortable upper-middle class upbringing.

Upper-middle class is not upper-class, but, like Obama, he did not come from the Hood, so they are both poseurs.

Racism always has been a two way street.

Always?

Tell me again what a racist nation the U.S. is?

Hog Wild on March 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM

No more than any other nation, with the remedies built into its founding. Even Obama said so.

If you were born in the 1980’s or 90’s you might suppose that the deep south in the 1950’s was something like a war zone littered with burned-out churches and people hanging from every tree while northern cities were neck-deep in the flotsam of a society motivated primarily if not exclusively by racial hatred. Thomas Sowell has labored through the years to point out that many of the social pathologies that we currently associate with predominately black communities in the U.S. – drugs, violence, broken families – arose during the period when the nation’s attention was focused on IMPROVING the lot of America’s blacks.

Perhaps the story of Reverend Wright’s upbringing can serve to remind and inform people of these facts, along with the fact that race hatred need not arise from any actual experience with deprivation. That is, ideas have power, even bad ones.