A Century in Iraq, if it works right: Obama adviser
posted at 7:00 am on March 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Yesterday I noted the accusation of McCarthyism against Bill Clinton by Barack Obama military adviser Gen. Tony McPeak. The former Air Force Chief of Staff has a history of interesting statements, including a couple at the beginning of the war both McPeak and Obama oppose. In an interview with the Oregonian, posted here but confirmed by me through its purchase from the archives, McPeak essentially makes the exact same argument that John McCain makes about staying in Iraq — and which Obama ridicules:
Is Iraq the last country we confront in the Middle East?
Who wants to volunteer to get cross-ways with us? We’ll be there a century, hopefully. If it works right.
Isn’t this the exact argument McCain has made repeatedly, and which Obama derides as “a hundred-years war”? Of course it is. The interview makes repeated references to American presences in Germany, Japan, and South Korea as models of the engagement McPeak envisioned in 2003, exactly as McCain has explained it in 2007 and 2008. McCain and McPeak both argue for a big footprint in the Middle East for a very long time in order to protect American interests and to overawe the other nations there into behaving themselves.
This should raise some eyebrows on the Obama campaign’s willful deception on this point. Didn’t McPeak bother to explain to Obama the exact same reasoning he had in March 2003, at the start of the war? Did Obama not bother to listen? Or did Obama just decide to demagogue on McCain’s point while gaining credibility by associating himself with a military adviser that publicly endorsed the exact policy as McCain?
Is that “new politics”? (via HA commenter BNelson)
Update: No, this isn’t sarcasm or out of context. Here’s the rest of the answer to that question:
I’ll tell you one thing we should not hope for (is) a democratic Iraq. When I hear the president talking about democracy, the last thing we should want is an election in Iraq. We’re not very popular. So I don’t think we’ll see any open elections in Iraq for a long time.
Hopefully over time they can be brought along like Japan and Germany — Japan and Germany were relatively easy, I think, and South Korea.
He meant exactly the same thing as McCain. What’s more, he underestimates democracy. He wanted the Bush administration to install a military dictator with whom we could work in order to establish our Middle East footprint.










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I go with the demagoguing McCain’s point choice.
Only a complete idiot would not know what McCain meant. Obtuse to the point of drooling.
Terrye on March 22, 2008 at 7:20 AM
Obama does not get the benefit of the doubt regarding strategic military planning savviness (or lack thereof).
PBoilermaker on March 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM
Politicians are allowed to disagree with their advisors.
It’s a good sign that Obama doesn’t want to live inside a bubble of yes men.
alphie on March 22, 2008 at 7:40 AM
The problem is, does he believe that today? Probably not.
Typhonsentra on March 22, 2008 at 7:54 AM
And it’s a very disturbing sign that Barry doesn’t seem to mind surrounding himself with absolute nut-bars…well, at least until it’s pointed out that they’re nut-bars, at any rate.
Oh, yeah, and Merrill is in the nut-bar category. The Air Force is still recovering from the havoc that man wrought during his tenure as Chief of Staff.
Wind Rider on March 22, 2008 at 7:55 AM
Obama’s choice in military advisors is just another example of poor judgment.
Tony “V-neck” Mc Peak is despised by more airmen than any AF General in the history of the service.
Not smart if you want the military (AF) vote.
GaryC on March 22, 2008 at 7:59 AM
Obama’s just telling the left what he thinks it wants to hear. He would pull the troops. Spend trillions in the black community. Just what his supporters want. You’re taxes will go up, you aren’t rich, he doesn’t care. He has his agenda. Well am I kicked out yet? Just telling it the way I see it.
2theright on March 22, 2008 at 7:59 AM
Great catch. I hope McCain doesn’t fire one of his advisors if they circulate this.
As for how this happened, I’m going with ‘willful deception’. Pretty much everything Obama says if fictionalized, so why expect anything different here?
Buy Danish on March 22, 2008 at 8:00 AM
I know for a fact that I could take Obama and Hillary’s military advisors, and kill all of them at the same time with a paper clip and a jagged piece of firewood.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 22, 2008 at 8:09 AM
So John McCain’s entire campaign is based on a position he shares with the most despised general in American history…and this is bad for Obama somehow?
alphie on March 22, 2008 at 8:11 AM
McPeak is a moron . . . so he’s working for the right guy.
rplat on March 22, 2008 at 8:16 AM
Well, everyone on the Left has been crowing about McCain’s ’100 years’, so, what does that say?
bikermailman on March 22, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Examples of the military brilliance of Merril “Tony” McPeak -
- When McPeak took over as USAF Chief of Staff, after Mike Dugan was fired for plainly stating how the AF was going to eviscerate Saddam’s military via air campaign, he took over an organization that he had a woefully inadequate concept of, and literally didn’t understand. When he became CoS, the Air Force used a seven character, alfa-numeric designation system to categorize the job specialties of the service. McPeak decided that it was all gobledigook, since he’d never bothered, during well over 20 years of service, to become even basically familiar with it. So, he created a ‘tiger team’ to come up with a “new” and “simplified” system. After several months of work and deliberations (in a vacuum – not consulting anyone outside their little group except McPeak), they came up with the ‘new’ system and spent an inordinate amount of time teaching this system to McPeak, who finally thought he understood it. He then decreed that the new system was the AF system, and the rest of the Air Force had the new system, which happened to consist of seven character alfa-numeric designators for each AF job specialty, sprung upon them with little or no explanation as to the thought process (or lack thereof) for determining it. The end result was that now everyone in the AF was confused to a certain degree, but at least McPeak was more informed about it than just about anyone else.
The man had the worst of stereotypical fighter pilot tolerance for the devil of the details – i.e less than none, which often manifested itself with pronouncements and directives of stupefying oversimplification, from which he allowed no deviation despite overwhelming rationale for doing so – as an example – the “one base, one boss” structural model. Sounds good while you’re at the bar shooting your watch, but again, the devil is in the details, particularly when those details consist of things that go beyond the scope of a single base, or even theater of operations.
And if you want sheer amusement, bring up the subject of McPeak and uniforms to any AF veteran of the McPeak era…the immediate sputtering and outrage is initially pretty funny. Till you consider just how Custer-esque McPeak was on the subject – most ridiculous rumint (rumor based intel) of the time – that the AF adoption of the V-neck undershirt and banning of the crew neck was based on McPeak’s wife’s preference in the matter.
One observation I made about Senior AF leadership, and use as a yardstick to evaluate them – the flag officers that have true vision and solid ideas about improving the USAF and it’s ability to defend the nation simply state that vision, lay out the goals and direction, and then draw upon and shepherd the ingenuity, creativity, and limitless efforts of the men and women of the service to reach those objectives. The ones that don’t have a clue tend to just rearrange the deck chairs, often without letting anyone else in on what they’re up to, or even why the hell they are doing so.
McPeak was the king of the deck chair arrangers.
But, hey, at least he was a Thunderbird pilot! Twice, even!
Wind Rider on March 22, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Yeah, I think a larger context is required. It reads to me like he’s being sarcastic, and he is deriding the 100 year forecast for success in Iraq as a real good reason for not going there. But maybe I have it wrong; military guys aren’t known for their sarcastic wit.
Jaibones on March 22, 2008 at 8:35 AM
If its going to take a hundred years in Irag,
then that time estimate is a bargain.
The Muslim Jihadys holy war has being
going on since early bibical days,and
past the crusades period!
So whats another 1,or 2 thousand years of
Islamofashist war on the west,so 100 years
looks like a good deal!
canopfor on March 22, 2008 at 8:37 AM
Not for the first time does Obama remind me of Stephen Whistler Fox, presidential candidate and murder victim in Jane Haddam’s Act of Darkness Fox is charismatic, airheaded and the willing puppet of a very capable political schemer.
Who is managing Obama? I’m starting to believe that he couldn’t have gotten this far without someone to instruct his speechwriters and pick his brand of toothpaste.
njcommuter on March 22, 2008 at 8:44 AM
Hey, you’re insulting millions of my fellow Americans!
jgapinoy on March 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM
He was correct in the point he was making. Forward projection of force in Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, Korea etc. has kept the peace in those regions. I have no problem with maintaining bases in Iraq and Afghanistan for however long it takes to protect our interests there.
As for McPeak himself, I had a lot more respect for him when he flew solo as a Thunderbird pilot. How or why he switched sides (from a Dole supporter to a Howard Dean supporter and now an Obama advisor) after his Air Force career is a mystery to me.
Zorro on March 22, 2008 at 8:52 AM
The difference between McPeak’s version of us staying 100 years, and McCain’s version is McPeak’s model is – and this is his strength </sarcasm> – he sees it in terms of Iraq being a compliant, subservient puppet to US interests in the region – not a full fledged democracy that’s a willing and able full partner in the deal.
Having a long term relationship, one that includes military basing and reciprocal support agreements, with both free and democratic (or their best version of it) Iraq and Afghanistan is in the long term strategic interests of the United States, even not considering the War on Terror/fight against Islamofascism. While ‘Tony’ may be dimly aware of that, at some rudimentary level, his idea of the actual mechanics is probably a pretty blank slate.
Wind Rider on March 22, 2008 at 9:30 AM
So, what, you think nobody ever mentioned to Obama in twenty years: “Oh, by the way, that Wright guy sounds just a tiny bit like Malcom X’s Nation Of Islam…”?
Advisers have nothing to do with this. No one “points things out” to Obama. The Messiah listens to no one but the spirits inside his head. And he only alters course when it’s too late to do anything else.
logis on March 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM
“Sounds good while you’re at the bar shooting your watch …” – Wind
Ha! Most of the pilots that I work with here at SWA are ex Air Force or Navy and they really do do that! “… so I came up behind him like this …” Talking with their hands, it’s pretty funny to watch ‘em prove the stereotype. They’re dudes though.
Tony737 on March 22, 2008 at 9:47 AM
ooops! NICE dudes even!
Tony737 on March 22, 2008 at 9:52 AM
The U.S. had no quarrels with Islam for 18 whole years; the time between our official independence and the beginning of the Tripolitan War. WE may have forgotten about that a long time ago, but in 1200 years no Muslim has never forgiven any infidel for anything.
logis on March 22, 2008 at 9:55 AM
A century in Iraq? Aren’t we at 60+ years in Germany? What about other bases? So what if we are there 100 years..it won’t be 100 fighting years..We should have had a permenant fully functioning base set up in the ME a long long time ago. That area has been a pain in our military’s collective asses for at least 60+ years.
Popular? We are trying to be popular? So do nothing as the extremists murder all the jews, but by doing nothing..we are popular…
Pam on March 22, 2008 at 10:03 AM
So what if we are there 100 years..it won’t be 100 fighting years. – Pam
Either the libs don’t get that, or they do but don’t care, as long as it’s Bush’s war, it’s wrong.
Tony737 on March 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM
McPeak pick the kind of tee-shirts we had to wear while in uniform. What does that say about the man?
E9RET on March 22, 2008 at 10:33 AM
ED! NO MORE TONY MCPEAK! Some of us had to live through his tenure, you know. I’m only an AF wife, but that was bad enough.
funky chicken on March 22, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Sadly, you are right..
Pam on March 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM
As an AF veteran, anyone who was around during the McPeak years knows what a buffoon he was and is. No one from that era has any respect for the idiot who practically ruined the Air Force in those days. No respect for him at all!
Centurion68 on March 22, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Every Air Force Officer I know has nothing but utter contempt for McPeak. That should say something about Obama’s judgement (as if having corrupt slumlords and racist ministers as close friends isn’t enough).
highhopes on March 22, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Wind Rider on March 22, 2008 at 8:30 AM
Yes, a drawerful of those damn v-neck tee shirts. What a maroon!
Most of the pilots I know, including the hubby, were test (fighter) pilots, so it was nothing BUT details :)
Tony737 on March 22, 2008 at 9:47 AM—Boy, do I miss that! Try walking into a fighter-base O-Club. You gotta watch those elbows, they’ll put yer eye out, re-fighting that fight!
But, yep, know a man by the company he keeps. Rev.Wright, McPeak, wow, who else is in Obama’s closet?
dish on March 22, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I don’t want you to have to relive that pain, but this is new information to a lot of us.
ReubenJCogburn on March 22, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Yeah, that worked so well for us over the last 50 years.
Clark1 on March 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Ahhhh, Its like reliving the years of Dalton, Cohen and McPeak all over again down here :). Good thing we had Boorda to shield us from alot of Clinton’s BS, even though we got plenty here in Squidland too.
Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Too bad Juan McCain loves to embrace the other side of the aisle so often – otherwise little incidents like this one would write their own political ads, regardless of who was chosen from the Obama/Clinton blood duel. Problem Johnny has is that he sides with the Dems often enough that they can smoke him on his own words just as easily.
/sigh
Wanderlust on March 22, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I was going to write a nice exposition reviewing all the “wonderful” things McPeak did for us in the AF. But Wind Rider et al took care of that for me. So I’ll just add a few points,
thus making this shorter. (After finishing, I realized this statement is false!)AF VETERANS OF MCPEAK ERA CAN STOP READING HERE, OR START DRINKING HEAVILY HERE.
Anytime a person’s name becomes a verb to describe a practice or action derided by every sane person in an organization, well then you know that few hold that person in respect. “To McPeak” is still used in the AF of today, for instance, when a squadron commander (prior to the current AF physical training (PT) uniform) ordered everyone to buy squadron T-shirts and wear them to squadron PT. Or when pictures are leaked out from our current AF leadership of their quest to change our current service dress uniform (which has remained the same since Gen Fogelman rescued us from McPeak’s “bus driver” uniform) to one that Hitler would be proud of.
“Uh-oh, looks like we’re being McPeaked again,” is a commonly heard statement when these things happen.
And despite McPeak retiring (there is a God!) in 1994, he is still remembered, and used as a slur EVEN BY THOSE WHO WERE NOT IN THE AIR FORCE IN 1994!!! I hear it at least once a month.
Add to all the comments above the stereotypical bad blood between intelligence professionals and fighter pilots (which thankfully has been disappearing since McPeak left) which McPeak helped further through some of his actions. He so hated the intelligence officer (“they got some of my friends killed in Vietnam” is the rumored remark from him), that he limited their promotions to general officer. The result is that the AF has absolutely NO INTEL GENERAL OFFICERS in joint intel positions (and no, Director of NSA and CIA do not count). These are positions in which any service’s intel general can serve, and they are now all held by Navy and Army generals. Additionally, many AF intel general billets have been (and continue to be) filled by pilots! Only in the last few years has the position of Commander, Air Intelligence Agency, the AF’s own intel organization, been held by an AF general. Prior to that, fighter pilot’s ruled the roost.
He so screwed up the intel career field that in order to fix it, the AF has come out several years ago and mandated that every year, an intel colonel MUST be promoted to brigadier general!
mjtyson on March 22, 2008 at 12:26 PM
True enough. But in general politicians should be responsible for who they pick to be advisers in the first place.
McPeak attempted to manage the Air Force. I know we aren’t the Marines, but a military force must be lead. You can not “manage” a rifle squad up a hill, nor can you use TQM to gain superiority in the battle space.
McPeak made many changes in his time as CoS. I’m hard pressed to find any that were good…
darkpixel on March 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Ed,
Look how well democracy did in Gaza. Democracy and Islam together will be the death of democracy every time, unless like Turkey or Pakistan, you have an army secular enough to crack mullah skulls when necessary.
You can plant democracy but you have to pull out every Islamic weed first. Cutting out the poison fruit of the weed is just not enough.
Don’t think Islam will not try to kill you for a hundred years in Iraq? You don’t know Islam then.
BL@KBIRD on March 22, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Islam it’s Radical form will not tolerate democracy anywhere.
old trooper on March 22, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Oh hell, when did we catch an alphie?
TBinSTL on March 22, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Wind Rider
Well i was goingto ask if McPeak was the one who changed our dress uniforms to the laughing stock of the world (which were changed back as soon as he was replaced), but mjtyson answered that.
So can this mean the SMSgt Dean behind the “smurf cammo” debacle and propaganda (we were fed lying AF Times polls saying “majority approve of the colors”) is also a liberal?
El Guapo on March 22, 2008 at 1:09 PM
And her defense to our disdain for her chosen camouflage colors was “Sergeant Dean’s defense to this is that 97 percent of the Airmen today do not need to be in a camouflage uniform on a day-to-day basis” even though we work hand in hand with the Army, do our own convoys, our do our own security, etc.
If McPeak is anything like her, than he is oblivious to wanything practical. No one likes a leader who institutes change just for the sake of recognition or legacy.
El Guapo on March 22, 2008 at 1:15 PM
That does nothing but cause more problems than it fixes (which most of the time their “change” doesnt fix anything)
Can I quote myself? :-)
El Guapo on March 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM
And how old is that foto of McPeak? I have more decorations than him (only 10 yrs of service), and he was a pilot?
El Guapo on March 22, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Gen. Tony McPeak, said the following in [2003], five years ago? OK, Ed I’ll take you word for it.
How about theses luminaries…?
In military operations five years is an eternity. General McPeak also added the cravat, “If it works right”. It hasn’t worked right by any stretch of the military or political imagination. McPeak’s cautionary admonition stands.
There are no military officers that I’ve ever known or been familiar with; that keep doing the same thing over and over if their tactic or strategy isn’t successful. Usually you only get one chance and if you’re wrong, you’re most likely be captured or dead!
Don’t you just wish with all your heart and soul that the “airheads” presently in charge were scholars…!
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Then, McPeak was having a “senior moment” then and McCain is having a cross year “senior 2007″ and “senior 2008″, as saying that Germany, Japan, and South Korea are a model for Iraq is absurd on it’s face.
Writing in the winter 2007-08 issue of The Objective Standard, John David Lewis offers an illuminating analysis of another U.S. occupation, this one thoroughly successful, in Japan (1945-1952). President Bush, of course, frequently refers to the democratization of Japan as a model for the democratization of Iraq (and the wider Islamic Middle East). But, as Lewis’ must-read essay makes historically clear, the president has been comparing apples and oranges.
It isn’t just that the total defeat and utter devastation of Japan nullifies the comparison with Iraq (which it does). There is something else. There is the completely different U.S. approach to Japan’s animating, warlike state religion of Shintoism, which, not incidentally, bears striking similarities to the animating, warlike state religion of Islam.
In 1945, our government was of one mind regarding state Shintoism. Lewis quotes Secretary of State James F. Byrnes, who wrote: “Shintoism, insofar as it is a religion of individual Japanese, is not to be interfered with. Shintoism, however, insofar as it is directed by the Japanese government, and as a measure enforced from above by the government, is to be done away with. … There will be no place for Shintoism in the schools. Shintoism as a state religion — National Shinto, that is — will go. … Our policy on this goes beyond Shinto. … The dissemination of Japanese militaristic and ultra-nationalistic ideology in any form will be completely suppressed.”
And it was, with fabulous results.
Obviously, there have been no analogous U.S. efforts to “de-jihadize” Islamic public culture even as the United States has spent lives, limbs, money and years trying, essentially, to stop the jihad in the Islamic Middle East — not even, to take a manageable example, in the U.S.-funded Palestinian Authority, where state-run media continue to incite Islamically motivated violence against Jews and Americans. And then there are all those U.S.-fostered constitutions that enshrine Sharia law — just the sort of ideological concession our forebears would never have made.
Bottom line? History shows that the conditions that drove the model transformation of Japan do not exist today with regard to the Islamic Middle East. We’re going to need another strategy — for starters, an immigration policy and new laws to halt the creep of Sharia — to ward off the Islamization of the West.
- Diana West (JWR)
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Omigod, I forgot about that 3-letter sequence of letters. AAHHHH!!!
The military is not a business!!!!
mjtyson on March 22, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Sort of like liberalism wanting to answer every problem with “more funding!” even though that tactic has never worked.
J_Gocht I think you forgot some important details. The troops’ strategy DID change. We didnt just increase the numbers. We are now employing a strategy of allying with local leaders (tribal sheiks) and allowing them to rally support to fight al Q (which they were starting to do before “the sruge”). Previously this tactic was not allowed.
And couple other important details: Appointing people to positions who have no experience in that field is for some reason popular with Dems. Do they feel they deserve it becasue of seniority? Such as Pelosi’s choice for heading the intel committee not knowing the difference b/t Al Q, Hezbollah, and Hamas (where they were operating out of, who funds them, and what sect they are). Or the infamous Iraq Study Group – no one was a middle east expert, nor did any really travel outside the wire and speak to local leaders to get their input.
last but not least,
The magical thinking is claiming that if we pull out right now everything will become better. Look at Somalia. Clinton tucked tail and ran even though the mission (that was ignorantly ordered to be executed at the wrong time of day) was a success. Now look at them. They were executing people for watching “unislamic things on tv” such as soccer. do i need to go further into what other horrors retreating has allowed to occur?
If i do, then, then you my friend, and other liberals, are the real ones guilty of living in a fake reality of magical thinking (supporting things that have never worked).
El Guapo on March 22, 2008 at 2:11 PM
There was but our media blew it up by accusing us of “planting news” even thought that news (pro-Iraq/U.S. success) was real events.
- Diana West (JWR)
I do agree with that. And the upriaing of Iraqis against Al Q before the surge is proof that they may finally be seeing the light. When will we in our own country?
El Guapo on March 22, 2008 at 2:16 PM
After five years, what have we won?
As a conservative in no way comforted by the Clinton-Obama-Pelosi-Reid rhetoric on the war in Iraq, I should have taken heart from the president’s fifth-anniversary remarks revisiting the Battle of Baghdad, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, the thrill of Iraqi elections, the perfidy of Al Qaeda terrorists, the Anbar Awakening, and the success of the surge.
I didn’t.
Was it because the speech, with its tone of meandering reminiscence, sounded more appropriate to a Soldiers Home remembrance 40 years hence? Or was it because I’d heard it all 40 times before? (“Defeating this enemy in Iraq will make it less likely that we’ll face the enemy here at home.”… “The future of the Middle East belongs to freedom.”) That’s part of it. But there was something else. In these remarks taking stock five years later, there was very little sense of, well, taking stock.
Indeed, the president was still rhapsodizing about the “transformative power of liberty” — even as such power has failed to transform any of the Islamic societies we have been micro-managing over the past few years, from Afghanistan to Hamastan, into anything resembling liberty-based societies. (“Liberty” in Hamastan has practically destroyed Israel, a bona-fide ally and genuine democracy.) Turns out the “transformative power of liberty” always hits a rut in a Sharia-based society, but such a blip still doesn’t show up on the presidential radar.
Rather, as Bush put it, “a free Iraq will fight terrorists instead of harboring them” — although wasn’t Iraq perfectly happy to “harbor” arch-terrorist Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a little earlier this month? (And didn’t more than 100,000 Baghdad residents rally in favor of Hezbollah in 2006?) “A free Iraq,” the president continued, “will be an example for others of the power of liberty to change the societies and to displace despair with hope.”
Such is the conservative dream — and, more troubling, the conservative strategy to thwart jihad coming from the Middle East. Charles Krauthammer recently contemplated Iraq in similar terms: “Imagine the transformative effects in the region and indeed in the entire Muslim world, of achieving a secure and stable Iraq, friendly to the United States and victorious over Al Qaeda.”
I dunno. I look across the Iraqi border and see Kuwait — “a secure and stable” state, to be sure, “friendly”-ish to the United States, and “victorious” over Saddam Hussein, all fruits of an earlier U.S. victory. But there was absolutely nothing transformative about that accomplishment, not in the region, not in the Muslim world. (You’d think we’d at least get a break on oil prices from countries we saved from Saddam Hussein.) Do we have reason to expect that even a democratic Iraq will turn into something better — a linchpin of our Middle Eastern strategy?
Listening to Gen. David Petraeus low-ball the much-vaunted surge’s effect — “I wouldn’t ever use the word success or victory or anything like that,” he recently told Voice of America — and express frustration at the pace of Iraqi “reconciliation” to The Washington Post, it’s hard to say yes. And especially not after sifting through the more disturbing findings of a recent BBC poll of Iraqi opinion. For selective optimists, the poll does indeed reflect an increasing Iraqi optimism, which has cheered conservatives as happy anniversary news. What has gone more or less overlooked (or dismissed) are the survey results indicating a shocking Iraqi hostility to America’s efforts on Iraq’s behalf.
For example, 79 percent of Iraqis have not much or no confidence in U.S. forces; 70 percent think U.S. forces have done a bad or very bad job; and, most appalling, 42 percent think attacks on U.S. forces are acceptable. Acceptable! This last figure is down 15 points from six months ago, so I suppose we should applaud the “progress.” But just imagine if, after D-Day in 1944, 42 percent of the French believed attacking Americans was “acceptable”; or if after the Battle of Chosin Reservoir in 1950, 42 percent of South Koreans did, too; or if 42 percent of Grenadians after being liberated by Ronald Reagan in 1983 were of the same violently anti-American mind.
Would we consider such peoples worthy of American blood and treasure? And would we consider them likely linchpins of a long-term alliance?
“Five years into this battle, there is an understandable debate over whether the war was worth fighting, whether the fight is worth winning, and whether we can win it,” the president said. Me, I’m still waiting for a straightforward discussion of what it is we can reasonably expect to win.
- Diana West (Jewish World Review March 21, 2008)
Exit question: Diana West is brilliant, so why aren’t her columns linked to here?
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Somebody better get on the stick then.
Militias warn US of strike over payments
March 22, 2008
THE success of the US “surge” strategy in Iraq may be under threat as Sunni militias employed by the US to fight al-Qaeda are warning of a national strike because they are not being paid regularly.
Leaders of the 80,000-strong Sahwa councils have said they will stop fighting unless payment of their fighters’ $US10 ($11.10) a day wage is resumed.
The fighters are accusing the US military of using them to clear al-Qaeda militants then abandoning them. A survey by GuardianFilms reveals that out of 49 Sahwa councils four with more than 1400 men have quit, 38 are threatening to go on strike and two already have.
Improved security in Iraq in recent months has been attributed to a combination of the surge, the truce observed by Moqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi army, and the councils, which are drawn from Sunni Arabs and probably the most significant factor, say most analysts.
But Sahwa leaders are angry the Americans have not compensated them for their work.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Don’t you worry about that now Gringo as Juan and I plan on moving all 120 million of our brothers and sisters here from Mexico and in a couple og generations there will be about a billion of us. We will protect you lazy Gringos from those Muslims.
VinyFoxy on March 22, 2008 at 2:35 PM
MB4
Have you seen any polls on the popularity of the U.S. in Germany? Not good. So I guess we lost WWII as well.
jl on March 22, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Diana West tells the painful truth.
Bush has operated from a Saudi play book since 9/11. The Saudi King is the Oval Offices Hesham Islam. Bush would not know what to do without the Saudi advice on Islam he has been given. Bush is not a traitor, just a stooge and a useful idiot.
BL@KBIRD on March 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Polls, schmoles.
Are our troops getting blown up by German IED’s?
Have you ever tasted German beer or
tastedseen any German Frauleins?I don’t think we lost there.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM
How’s that working again…? El Guapo!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/21/iraq.alqaida
Things are looking up…!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/audio/2008/mar/20/guardian.daily.podcast
Don’t give me any crap about the Guardian being a liberal rag. This is the type of, on the ground, harsh and hard journalism you won’t get from Fox News. Check the video and the audio.
Fox dosen’t have any reporters outside the “Green Zone” except when Senator McCain decides to stroll in the one of the local marketplaces, under cover of a company of Marines, and three or four circling gun ships.
Sucessful “Surge” my arse!
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Do any German polls show this?
Japanese polls?
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM
One Year Later, Market Where McCain Strolled ‘Freely’ Is Controlled By Sadr, Too Unsafe For Americans To Visit
(03/16/2008)
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Wow, who would have know that this topic would bring out all of our MDS afflicted brothers and sisters…
Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Odd, the NY Times visited it on the 17th. Progress Is Cited Again in a Baghdad Market
bnelson44 on March 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM
MDS?
McCain Devotion Syndrome?
McCain Delusion Syndrome?
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Obama is just trying to lie to his voters thats all.
Obama’s voters are gonna get Bamboozled..!
Chakra Hammer on March 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM
You want some unvarnished reporting, El Guapo? Try this!
IRAQ TODAY http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/
Just read the hour by hour, daily, regional news clips.
Can you stand the “truth”?
You don’t like the commentary or editorial; by all means cease and desist. Don’t give in to your curiosity. Keep your finger off that mouse
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 3:33 PM
A Baghdad Market?
We got close to that marketplace today, Jim, but our own security advisers here in Iraq did not want us to go there. They didn’t believe it was safe for an American to be in that area.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:34 PM
All the negative news that’s fit to print, hey? What would have happened if we had that in WWII,…. wait we did! We called her Tokyo Rose.
bnelson44 on March 22, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Yea, the same market:
BAGHDAD — Abbas Majid, a grizzled newsdealer, shooed the flies away from the dozen or so publications laid out on the sidewalk at the Shorja market.
Read the story:
http://baghdadbureau.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/progress-is-cited-again-in-a-baghdad-market/
bnelson44 on March 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Well hush my puppies, that does sound just like Germany and Japan!
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:38 PM
You guys sound like McPeak did last year. All doom and gloom. And advocating that we hand Iraq over to al-Qaeda and Iran.
bnelson44 on March 22, 2008 at 3:40 PM
McCain is now back in Iraq for a “surprise visit with Iraqi and American diplomatic and military leaders.” He is joined by fellow Iraq war defenders Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC). But it’s unlikely they will be visiting the Shorja market again. Today, CNN reported that they tried to visit the Shorja market, but it was too unsafe and they were unable to go.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Whatever, the NY Times was there on the 17th.
bnelson44 on March 22, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Possibly relying on anti-war websites for your news is not a very wise thing to do?
bnelson44 on March 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Sunni Al Q and Shiite Iran?
Both?
I thought that we had handed Iraq back over to the Iraqis.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Possibly relying on only those you already agree with for your news is not a very wise thing to do.
That is called a Charlie Juliett.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:50 PM
So the NY Times (BTW, I thought that you didn’t trust left wing news sources?) could go and Juan couldn’t.
That’s not fair.
MB4 on March 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM
bnelson44, what did I write?
If you were an Officer in the Army or Marines you hopefully got up to the minute, hour or at least daily “SitReps” [Situation Reports] depending on the type of battleground deployment and immediate action situation your unit[s] was deployed or engaged.
You cannot afford to ignore the facts on the ground, air or sea. You do so at the peril of your troops and your command!
Negative, positive or in the barrel…be dammed!
Sir!
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Hey “Squid” you noticed!
“Mostly Dysfunctional Syndrome” …?
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Indeed, JGocht.
Younge soldier sends :)
Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Ah come on Squid Shark, I’m not psychic.
You’re strokin’ me…and I thought it was sailor? Are you a “Younge dirt sailor”?
Olde soldier sends…
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Hehe indeed, I used to sign younge sailor when talking to you this is true. But I am in the order of the Dirt Sailor as well.
Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Hot damn…my momma told me I was weird in the head! Seein’ all those strange things?
OK, if I win the lottery with this special gift…I’m sharin’ it with all you fine damn troopers on this board. Sea, Air or Land!
…and I know who the hell you are…!
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 5:28 PM
An AF flight training squadron in Texas has the motto that given enough bananas, they can teach a monkey to fly. Looks like they proved it with Tony McPeak.
tmac on March 22, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Yon. Totten. Roggio. They’ve been havin’ us on all this time, haven’t they? Just hangin’in the Green Zone. I knew there was something fishy about those guys.
a capella on March 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM
I don’t like to to be critical of a retired military person, but Obama advisor Gen. McPeak is way, way off of the mark.
Maybe he’s suffering from senility, or Alzheimer’s. If not, then he’s fallen into Obama’s
wetbad dream.byteshredder on March 22, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Squid Shark…
Question is; my dear sometimes “Dirt Sailor”?
Your “shiz” isn’t my olde “schizoid”, is he…?
If I were really psychic, I should have known that.
My thought would be; 29 years [1979] and a wholly different vernacular late?
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 7:19 PM
tmac on March 22, 2008 at 6:15 PM
It goes like this…
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 7:26 PM
tmac, that wouldn’t be a Texas Air National Guard Unit, would it?
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM
El Guapo,
Just a few comments:
1) We used to not give away the chest candy like we do now. I actually met a WWII Army Air Corps retiree at an AF Dining Out and he had a sum total of five medals on his mess dress. I felt like a poser.
2) You did notice that he’s wearing 4 across and not 3, right?
3) And he’s got two Air Medals. Not two total, but two actual medals, which means one is full of oak leaf clusters (what’s that mean, I can’t remember…one silver and three bronze?) and the other seems to have a few on it.
4) I am in no way apologizing for McPeak or any of his actions. I just want to make sure we give him crap for what he deserves to get crap first, like those damn T-shirts. (And no, I’m not a pilot.)
Cheers,
mjtyson on March 22, 2008 at 8:10 PM
Ah, General McPeak. I served under him back in the 80s and early 90s. He was a politician who’s only real contribution to the USAF was a pathetic looking uniform he designed because he thought everyone wanted to grow up to be an airline pilot. It took years to recover from some of his bonehead decisions and if he hadn’t some really smart generals and colonels working under him it could have been worse. He was one reason why lots of officers left the USAF back then. He promoted the whole “careerism” attitude that resulted in the whole “Bubba Boat” ticket punchers during the first Gulf War.
The day he left the USAF for retirement was a great day for the USAF.
Faith1 on March 22, 2008 at 8:43 PM
El Guapo, would your given name begin with a [P] as in pueblo?
Sir!
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM
V-Neck Tees
TQM
Air Crew Patches on BDU’s
Oh the memories came flooding back…(Bwaaaahahahaha!!!)
/served under him when he was the PACAF Commmander
//Change just for Change sake!!!
/// Perfect fit for Obama’s campaign
////LOSERS!
dddave on March 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Another blunderful McPeak moment for y’all………. Does anyone remember the Aircrew Patches on the BDU’s?
Obama and McPeak = Change just for changes sake!!!
dddave on March 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Yon’s been havin’ you on, a capella!
Bovine feces, I say!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/21/iraq.alqaida
J_Gocht on March 22, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I’ve always enjoyed The Guardian. It and the BBC are my primary sources for first rate, unbiased news reporting.
a capella on March 22, 2008 at 9:55 PM
He’s the one? Got it.
baldilocks on March 22, 2008 at 11:04 PM
::waves::
baldilocks on March 22, 2008 at 11:09 PM
The greater question is: Air Force BDU’s? :rofl:
Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Come on guys, it wasn’t TQM with McPeak, it was QAF!
Don’t you remember? Quality Air Force! Metrics, Powerpoint, all those civilian consultants the AF hired out to give us all of those training classes on cutomer service?
Remeber updating your monthly (sometimes weekly) customer survey slides?
How about the QAFE? Remeber how we had to go through ORI’s, NRI’s, etc, and then had our “Quality” inspections?
Remember how much work didn’t get done because we aere all doing those powerpoint slides for the weekly staff meetings?
Oh, and the uniform issue still isn’t fixed BTW. Fogelman didn’t really change much as far as the service dress went. He did fix the BDU stuff though, mostly.
Ahhh, good old Skeletor…what an f’ing nimrod!
catmman on March 22, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Well all of your consultants and stuff have got you guys getting endless amounts of money while the Navy is holding bake sales to fund DDX :)
Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 11:30 PM
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