Obama supporter Gen. McPeak calls Bill Clinton another Joe McCarthy

posted at 9:40 pm on March 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The Barack Obama campaign may find itself back in hot water, but this time squarely with Democrats, thanks to one of their premier surrogates. Former Air Force Chief of Staff General Tony McPeak compared a relatively mild Bill Clinton statement to McCarthyism. His remarks about the former President and actual party elder will no doubt stoke outrage just as some of Obama’s other troubles had begun to recede:

A retired Air Force general compared former President Clinton to Joseph McCarthy, the 1950s communist-hunting senator, on Friday after Clinton seemed to question Democrat Barack Obama’s patriotism.

Merrill “Tony” McPeak, a former chief of staff of the Air Force and currently a co-chair of Obama’s presidential campaign, said he was disappointed by comments Clinton made while campaigning for his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a speech Friday in Charlotte, N.C.

“I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country,” Clinton said. “And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics.”

McPeak learned of the remarks while at an Obama rally in Salem, Ore. Afterward, he called Clinton’s statement horrible and compared it to McCarthy, the Republican senator from Wisconsin who held hearings on suspected Communist sympathizers in the 1950s.

“It sounds more like McCarthy,” McPeak said. “I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I’ve had enough of it.”

It’s hard to figure what McPeak found so intolerable, or intolerant, about Clinton’s remarks. He didn’t say that the Democrats didn’t have two candidates who love the nation, just that it would be good to focus on the issues instead of what Clinton sees as irrelevant issues. In fact, that construction makes it clear that he found the controversy over Reverend Jeremiah Wright as part of that “other stuff” that distracts from the issues.

In any case, the charge of McCarthyism is not just overblown, but entirely inaccurate — and a military man should know the difference. Clinton didn’t accuse Obama of anything, and certainly not of treason. But McPeak has now made an accusation, and one that will not endear him to the party establishment that has depended on the Clintons for their careers and their fundraising. If the Democrats want to win anything in November, they need Bill on the stump, and having Obama’s campaign accusing him of being the next Joe McCarthy damages the brand, not to mention tarnishes the idea of returning the White House to the supposed halcyon days of Democratic control.

If the Hillary Clinton campaign desires, they can make this a serious issue — and it’s hard to see why they’d pass up the chance. Obama can’t afford to lose his military surrogates, who give him all of the credibility he has as a candidate for Commander-in-Chief with no military or executive experience. They can pressure him to give up McPeak, and the longer Obama keeps him in place, the longer they can argue to the superdelegates that Obama will damage the Democrats if nominated. After the hypocritical way Obama’s campaign went after Geraldine Ferraro, they have this kind of fight coming.


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Theater of the Absurd – yet another act…stay tuned…the year is way more interesting and fun than I’d imagined.

Entelechy on March 21, 2008 at 9:43 PM

I’ve looked Merrill McPeak in the eye. The man is loonier than a tune.

Wind Rider on March 21, 2008 at 9:43 PM

Merrill “Tony” McPeak. shudder The man is even worse than Weasely Clark, which is damn hard to do.

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Oh, and btw – the USAF has spent a lot of years fixing the damage McPeak inflicted during his years as CoS. And the repairs continue to this day.

Wind Rider on March 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM

“I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country,” Clinton said.

“It sounds more like McCarthy,” McPeak said. “I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I’ve had enough of it.”

Sounds like McPeak has a point to me. What if Hillary had the democrat nomination sewed up (meaning that the two people would be her and McCain rather than her and Obama) and Bill Clinton had said that?

MB4 on March 21, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Disagree Ed. Bill was calling McCain and Hillary patriotic, and Obama an America-hater like Wright (no am flag lapel pin, not putting hand over heart for Pledge, etc.)

JiangxiDad on March 21, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Wind Rider, right on!

McPeak a military man? Puh-leeze. This guys greatest contribution to the AF was – I don’t know…

As an active duty now SNCO who lived through the McPeak years, this is just more evidence that Obama is a complete asshat.

Haveing guys like this on your campaign staff? Who would he be in an Obama administration? SecDef?

More reason to hope the Obamamessiah continues to fall…

catmman on March 21, 2008 at 9:53 PM

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9594

Just one of many Tony McPeak disasters. Each and every one handled with his insufferable arrogance. The man is a bonafide POS. Perfect for Obama, actually.

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Do these Dems suffer from perpetual PMS? Their responses are hysterically overwrought.

An ironic aside though: Joe McCarthy was correct in identifying the Communist infiltratrion in our government, academia, and entertainment. Clinton’s remarks hardly merit being labeled the style of McCarthy though. Then again, the Obamas and the Clintons do have the quality of being fellow travelers.

onlineanalyst on March 21, 2008 at 10:00 PM

This is why zoomies should not be allowed outside of their cages :)

Squid Shark on March 21, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Better link: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1534054,00.html?cnn=yes

After one of the T-3 crashes McPeak went on the McNeil-Lehrer (or maybe it was just Lehrer) News Hour for an interview where he said it was pilot error, not a problem with his pet plane. He then went on to say that it was because the AF was sending guys from planes like the C-141 and those guys just are crappy pilots. My husband was a C-141 pilot at the time. I almost kicked my TV.

P…..O…..S

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 10:03 PM

T-3’s are crap, even a good Squid knows that.

Squid Shark on March 21, 2008 at 10:07 PM

“There really were witches out there to be hunted.”

Who knew????????

Seven Percent Solution on March 21, 2008 at 10:07 PM

McPeak is an idiot but he fits right in with the Obama campaign.

rplat on March 21, 2008 at 10:09 PM

These people who take the name of J*e in vain expose themselves as probable commies.

Buddahpundit on March 21, 2008 at 10:15 PM

I, for one, welcome Democrats who understand that the point is to bite the heads off of giant Dem statues and spit them onto far avenues. Rave away, McPeak! Get your smoke in their eyes! Eye on the Spalding! No defense against the homer!

ForNow on March 21, 2008 at 10:15 PM

A little off but a little on the subject at hand this week.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=541109&in_page_id=1770

wepeople on March 21, 2008 at 10:17 PM

… Little does he know that’s actually a compliment…

Sir Andrew on March 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM

LOL

AIR COMMAND AND STAFF COLLEGE
AIR UNIVERSITY
McPEAK’S FOLLIES
A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT RATED MANAGEMENT IN THE 90’S AND BEYOND
by
William J. Dalonzo, Maj, USAF
A Research Report Submitted to the Faculty In Partial Fulfillment of the Graduation Requirements
Advisor: Maj Brian M. Bjornson
Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama April 1999

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/acsc/99-037.pdf

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 10:19 PM

Comment by Pave Low John on 3/3 @ 3:08 pm #

Just a little FYI from a long-time USAF pilot, General Merrill ‘Skeletor’ McPeak is probably the most-hated general officer in Air Force history. Seriously, ask any Air Force people who were around in the early to mid 90s and they will give you an earful about this guy. My old Huey squadron used to fly him between Langley Air Force Base and the Pentagon and he was a total dick, completely pissed off that he, a fighter god, had to ride in the back of a smelly helicopter. Plus, he insisted on wearing a helmet hooked up to the comm system so he could hear if anyone on board was talking about him behind his back (thats where the Skeletor name came from, seeing his pinched, skull-like face framed by a big-ass helicopter helmet). Highlights of the McPeak years:

– Personally pushed new, redesigned, extra-shitty flightsuits, with zippers on the side, frickin’ epaulets on the shoulders and pleats. Nicknamed ‘The Fag Bag’, worst uniform ever, quickly canceled by the next Chief of Staff.

– Crammed the T-3 ‘Firefly’ down the Air Force Academy’s throat to do pilot screening training with (instead of the reliable and time-tested Cessna 172). After two instructors and two cadets died in back-to-back crashes, McPeak’s retort: “We’re not training dentists to fly their families to Acapulco here”. What an asshole.

– Finally, McPeak is the one who mentored a certain Lt Colonel named Darleen Druyun through her entire career, finally resulting in an Air Force scandal that is still being felt today (Wikipedia her name and prepare to be disgusted).

So, yeah, if Obama wants to use Skeletor for an advisor, go ahead. The USAF sure as hell doesn’t want him back.

Pave Low John
USAF Special Ops Chopper guy since 1995…

http://proteinwisdom.com/pub/?p=812

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM

This is just a set up so that any attack on Obama, and anyone who questions the O’s patriotism, will be compared to big Joe.

Obama and Bill Ayers? McCarthyism! Relationship with “Frank” Davis? McCarthyism! Rev. Wright’s afrocentric, America hating rants? McCarthyism! Question his relationship with his Kenyan cousin Odinga? McCarthyism!

Ad nauseum.

Buy Danish on March 21, 2008 at 10:25 PM

I, for one, welcome Skeletor’s joining with Jeremiah Wright and Wright’s successor Otis Moss in the movement for the Messiah for President. I think that Skeletor has much to contribute to the discussion and that his helicopter resentments really put him in touch with common concerns in a Michelle Obama way.

ForNow on March 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

if they ever remake Dr. Strangelove, here’s Sterling Hayden’s replacement

normsrevenge on March 21, 2008 at 10:33 PM

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Thanks for the link. From your link:

Is Iraq the last country we confront in the Middle East?

Who wants to volunteer to get cross-ways with us? We’ll be there a century, hopefully. If it works right.

I’ll tell you one thing we should not hope for (is) a democratic Iraq. When I hear the president talking about democracy, the last thing we should want is an election in Iraq. We’re not very popular. So I don’t think we’ll see any open elections in Iraq for a long time.

U.S. Air Force Gen. Merrill A. “Tony” McPeak interview with the Oregonian

bnelson44 on March 21, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Those of us who were in the Air Force during the McPeak period will tell you — almost unanimously, I’m sure — McPeak is a blithering idiot.

flipflop on March 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM

The chickens are coming home to roast.

I’ll have mine extra-crispy!

If Billy Jeff is “Tailgunner Joe” McCarthy, then Barack O. must be …Alger Hiss?

This torturous Demo-logic is hard to follow.

Who’s “Checkers”? Hillary?

profitsbeard on March 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Windrider – Me too and Roger that!

MCPO Airdale on March 21, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Speaking of Obama, meet the new Pastor of TUCC: Rev Otis Moss III.

The new Rev praises Rev Wright and says that his sermons are a form of art.

Oh yeah, and Barack Obama and his family continue to be members of this racist Church with its new racist Rev.

Michael in MI on March 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM

I love the smell of the Democratic party melting down in the morning.

flipflop on March 21, 2008 at 10:49 PM

I say the more fratracide the better with this pack of donkey dogs. Chasing each other around, yapping and nipping at one another. I was dreading this year, but it is turning into something wonderous, something I could have never imagined. Can’t wait for Denver. It is going to be narsty.

JonRoss on March 21, 2008 at 10:59 PM

Oh yeah, and Barack Obama and his family continue to be members of this racist Church with its new racist Rev.

Michael in MI on March 21, 2008 at 10:48 PM

People are know by the reverends they keep. Reverends are known by the sheeple they keep.
– Unknown

MB4 on March 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Thank God these people believe in gun control or they’d be shooting at each other by the time the DNC convention in Denver rolls around.

jon1979 on March 21, 2008 at 11:09 PM

It’s like a car wreck. You don’t want to watch the disaster unfold; but it’s far too interesting to look away.

lorien1973 on March 21, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Tony McPeak = ….. I cant even come up with an equivalent in the Navy.

Squid Shark on March 21, 2008 at 11:13 PM

I predict 7 days before either Obama or Clinton invoke Godwin’s law.

lorien1973 on March 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Squid Shark…Jimmy Carter? Nah, Carter is loved by Navy folks compared with how AF folks feel about McPeak.

funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Comment by Pave Low John on 3/3 @ 3:08 pm #
via: funky chicken on March 21, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Struth! I witnessed this mess up close and later thru DH’s AF officer career. What a twit!

YankeeinCA on March 21, 2008 at 11:24 PM

I like this, presidential candidates getting treated like presidential candidates. A story from the Associated Press, no right wing conspiracy here.

lorien1973 on March 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

I admit, I had to look it up. Great point. But it’s Dim’s on Dim’s, I’m just enjoying the show.

Hog Wild on March 21, 2008 at 11:25 PM

I assume Skeletor is angling for the SecDef position under an Obama administration…

Kevin71 on March 21, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I think now you can see what is the wisdom of having the Military separated from politics.

Even retired Generals can screw up sometimes.

I don’t know what they teach them at Military schools, but certainly not, I hope anyway, partisan politics.

There are few exceptions of successes in History like Winston Churchill and Dwight Eisenhower.

As a general rule, I would prefer to leave politics to career politicians.

But, in this case, I hope Hussein’s Generals screw up more, it’s good for the country.

Indy Conservative on March 21, 2008 at 11:34 PM

I knew it was just a matter of time before they turned on each other. One trick ponies.
Sir your warranty is expired.
– Hitler!

Were no longer serving breakfast.
– Fascist!

Please don’t block the driveway.
– Racist!

Prediction.

Since the left has only two officially sanctioned hate groups (Nazi’s and Pedophiles)although Pedophiles may not be permanent, once the “Yer a Nazi!” shtick looses its impact, they will be trotting out “Experts” from “Respected Institutions” who’s nuanced analysis of opponents statements will show a tendency towards, or not be able to rule out pedophilia.

Followed by the media of course.

“Senator, Experts have not been able to rule out that you are a pedophile. How can you assure the public that you have never molested a child?”

“How does your wife feel about these revelations?”

tic toc tic toc.

ronsfi on March 21, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Those of us who were in the Air Force during the McPeak period will tell you — almost unanimously, I’m sure — McPeak is a blithering idiot.

flipflop on March 21, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Was not in the Air Force during the “Skeletor” period however he was still gossiped about at FF when I was there.

F15Mech on March 21, 2008 at 11:42 PM

lorien1973 on March 21, 2008 at 11:15 PM

I looked Godwin’s Law up – are you really spotting them 7 days

HawaiiLwyr on March 21, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Just because Barry H.O. goes to an America hating church, refuses to wear a flag lapel pin, and won’t put his hand to his heart during our National Anthem; why would anyone question his patriotism?

Hating America, it’s the NEW patriotism.

Mojave Mark on March 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM

HawaiiLwyr on March 21, 2008 at 11:51 PM

It’s easter weekend. I find it hard to believe Jesus will invoke Hitler during his resurrection weekend. Clinton would be stupid to do so. Give it time.

lorien1973 on March 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Oh, and btw – the USAF has spent a lot of years fixing the damage McPeak inflicted during his years as CoS. And the repairs continue to this day.

Wind Rider on March 21, 2008 at 9:47 PM

Hey! Come on! I actually LIKED the brown paint scheme!

sanantonian on March 22, 2008 at 1:10 AM

Why be surprised that a Dim would invoke McCarthyism for incongruous remark by BJ. They’ve been invoking the Hitler comparison for eight years every time President Bush sneezes.

Mallard T. Drake on March 22, 2008 at 1:12 AM

Bill Clinton was trying to flush out communist?

Johan Klaus on March 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Joe McCarthy was right, and the HUAC was the best thing for this country, despite the slander by the author of this post with his guilt-by-association header photo. What a scumbag moral relativist the author is for using McCarthy and applying it to the current political discourse. On it’s face, it is intellectually dishonest, not to mention absolutely shameful.

Everyone else is just a tool of the left. That includes all of you who choose to make him a booogeyman. Your interpetation of history is seriously flawed. In case you did not know, we defeated the Soviet, thanks to people like McCarthy. No Stalinistic revisionism is ever going to change that part of human history.

petit bourgeois on March 22, 2008 at 1:18 AM

The Obama guy is just 100% wrong to say this. It is just not true. Bill Clinton is nothing like the America loving, commie hating, patriotic cold warrior Joe McCarthy.

Dollayo on March 22, 2008 at 1:30 AM

I see his point. Suggesting that candidates for public service have the best interest of the country at heart really is McCarthyism.

Furthermore, McCarthy told the truth about Communists, and Bill is, implicitly, telling the truth about his wife and Obama and their lack of interest in the well-being of the country.

The more you think about the comparison, the more the absurdity drains away…and is replaced by irony.

HitNRun on March 22, 2008 at 1:42 AM

petit bourgeois on March 22, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Nothing wrong with the photo. That was a photo of McCarthy at his finest.

Looked to me like the author was just basing it from the how would play out from the enemy perspective.

Buddahpundit on March 22, 2008 at 2:29 AM

Looked to me like the author was just basing it from the how would play out from the enemy perspective.

Buddahpundit on March 22, 2008 at 2:29 AM

Or as a sober person might put it. “Looked to me like the author was just basing it on how it would be seen from the enemy perspective”

Buddahpundit on March 22, 2008 at 2:33 AM

Bill Clinton was trying to flush out communist?

Johan Klaus on March 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM

No, he’s just trying to find a friend :)

OldEnglish on March 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM

HawaiiLwyr on March 21, 2008 at 11:51 PM

It’s easter weekend. I find it hard to believe Jesus will invoke Hitler during his resurrection weekend. Clinton would be stupid to do so. Give it time.

lorien1973 on March 22, 2008 at 12:14 AM

i may be misunderstanding the law, but it seems that if the left thinks that mccarthy=hitler (which is a fair assumption, no?), then godwin’s law has already been invoked here.

calling clinton mccarthy = calling clinton hitler = godwin’s law.

just a thought…

homesickamerican on March 22, 2008 at 4:24 AM

The Obama guy is just 100% wrong to say this. It is just not true. Bill Clinton is nothing like the America loving, commie hating, patriotic cold warrior Joe McCarthy.

Too funny.

Sort of a funny corollary to Godwin’s law is provided by jonah goldberg:

Definition of a fascist: A conservative winning a debate

moxie_neanderthal on March 22, 2008 at 4:58 AM

Does this mean the left’s beatification of President Clinton has come to an end?

I love it. The Patron Saint of the Democratic party is being eaten by its own. Someone pass the salt and get out of the way.

The rebuke of the Clinton era is coming full circle. His wife will not be coronated, his reputation and personhood have been deminished, and the accomplishments of his administration have been brought into sharp relief.

I’d say Clinton has been denied 3 times.

moxie_neanderthal on March 22, 2008 at 5:43 AM

McCarthy was a patriot. So McPeak is calling BillyJeff a patriot. What a nice guy.

Sammy316 on March 22, 2008 at 7:08 AM

Mojave Mark on March 22, 2008 at 12:08 AM

I dont put my hand over my heart, but I have the excuse of being a servicemember, I am supposed to standat attention when in civvies :)

Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 7:56 AM

petit bourgeois on March 22, 2008 at 1:18 A

McCarthy is a drunken Crusader who crusaded to far and ruined the effort to root out communist spies by his Hoover-esque behavior.

BTW, I dont know if you are the Captain’s love-child from 30 years ago or what, but you sound like an idiot stalking him from board to board and attacking him.

Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 7:59 AM

When all else fails, cry “McCarthyism.”

But does that come before or after you say it’s “Nazism”?

Ho hum.

petefrt on March 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM

Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 7:56 AM

Don’t confuse the issue bud, not everyone will understand. To expound on our servicemember’s remark about having an excuse for not putting the hand over the heart. I don’t know about Army and Air Force regulations, but in the Navy and Marine Corps, when the national anthem is played, Sailors and Marines will face towards the flag or the music if no flag is present and salute if in uniform and stand a rigid attention if in civvie’s, and when at “attention” the hands are along the side of the legs.

Hog Wild on March 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Hog Wild on March 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM

Thanks for the clarification, Hog, I get to making assumptions about prior knowledge

Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Tailgunner Bill. I bet he likes that nickname

Hummer53 on March 22, 2008 at 11:52 AM

The association just goes to show how stupid the liberals are. They can’t even get it when they give Clinton a compliment against themselves. Sad to say it is not true. IN fact, its the opposite, but isn’t that the way liberals think anyway?

ilitigant on March 22, 2008 at 11:56 AM

McCarthy was right about Red infiltration of the govt at high levels, even the US Dept of the Army. Clinton is apparently in the pocket of the Chinese Army, so, that’s ironic, right?

Akzed on March 22, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Bill Clinton was trying to flush out communist?
Johan Klaus on March 22, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Yeah, He wanted them to make campaign donations.

Oldnuke on March 22, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Ann Coulter wrote a book clarifying the record about Joe McCarthy. His reputation was smeared by the very leftists he was exposing.

sanantonian on March 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Barack is the new McCarthy. Every person that crosses his path gets smeared as a racist.

Barack is worse than McCarthy. McCarthy went after people in the state department. Barack went after Don Imus. Trent Lott was denounced without a Senate Hearing.

The use of the word “racist” presents a new tyranny meant to stop all discussion of important issues like immigration.

Barack’s style of tyranny of language is far more personal, pervasive and dangerous than anything McCarthy ever did.

http://www.culturism.us

culturism on March 22, 2008 at 10:41 PM

sanantonian on March 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Referencing Ann Coulter is quite akin to the Lefties quoting Michael Moore. There are plenty of real historical works that discuss the same topics and are not, well….crap.

Squid Shark on March 22, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Ann Coulter wrote a book clarifying the record about Joe McCarthy. His reputation was smeared by the very leftists he was exposing.

sanantonian on March 22, 2008 at 8:03 PM

The same Ann Coulter who has promised to campaign for Clinton if McCain was the Republican nominee? She is too knee jerk for me, and promising to switch parties because she doesn’t like who got the most delegates is her perogative, but doesn’t it eat at her credibility as far as Republicans go? I don’t have a clue as to which side she’s batting for. On our side she calls Edwards a fag, even though he’s married with children, so she looks like a psycho. If she keeps her word, she’s going to campaign to get Clinton elected, and if she doesn’t she’s a liar.

The only thing for sure is, she’s a sensationalist and a Repulican liability. Let the Dim’s have her.

Hog Wild on March 23, 2008 at 12:01 AM

so she looks like a psycho

She is a psycho, and a waste of a woman who was once beautiful.

Squid Shark on March 23, 2008 at 12:05 AM

Also, having served under Gen. McPeak in PACAF his elevation to Chief of Staff shows the system is political and not based on leadership qualifications.

Only once out of uniform can you truly show your core beliefs. However, his command of PACAF revealed his liberal leanings and desire to continue using the military as an incubator for liberal experiments. Never, to my memory, did he show any desire or capability of leading his forces in their role of peace keepers as envisioned by Sun Tsu.

Therefore, Gen. McPeak’s support of Obama is a continuation of his political desire to use the DOD as a social experiment as SECDEF under Obama.

MSGTAS on March 23, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Isn’t just calling him Bill Clinton insult enough? Calling him McCarthy is diluting the Clinton notoriety.

Tantor on March 23, 2008 at 12:20 PM