Democrats kneecap Hillary, themselves, in Florida and Michigan
posted at 12:15 pm on March 21, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The revote efforts in both Florida and Michigan have ground to a halt, thanks to divisions in the party at both state and national levels. That will keep Hillary Clinton from claiming extra delegates and a late surge in momentum, both necessary to convince superdelegates to overcome the pledged-delegate gap and nominate her for the presidency. The Wall Street Journal’s June Krunholz argues that it also burdens the Democrats by eliminating a potential means to resolve the primary impasse that they created:
Sen. Hillary Clinton’s chances of winning the presidential nomination were deeply wounded by the apparent collapse of do-over primaries in Florida and Michigan this week. The other big loser may be the Democratic Party.
With five months to go before the national convention, party leaders still hope voters will settle the nomination by leaning decisively toward one candidate or the other in the remaining 10 primaries. The party’s superdelegates, the elected officials and party leaders who aren’t bound by vote results, could then follow the popular lead. With the nomination wrapped up, the party could seat the Florida and Michigan delegates and avoid angering voters in two states that are important to a Democratic win in November.
A muddled outcome in the remaining primaries could force any decision about the nomination onto the party’s nearly 800 superdelegates or the 186-member committee charged with settling delegate disputes, and then onto the convention floor.
Florida may not present as much of an issue as Michigan, or at least it shouldn’t. All of the candidates were on the ballot for the Florida primary, and all of them followed the no-campaign edict from the DNC in about the same measure. However, the effort to seat the Florida delegates will undoubtedly touch off a floor fight with the Obama campaign, which will give up close to 40 delegates of its lead if Florida succeeds. That alone could rupture the convention and create chaos in Denver.
Michigan is even worse. Obama played by the rules and took his name off the ballot. Now he wants Michigan’s delegation seated with an even split between himself and Hillary Clinton. That doesn’t help Hillary at all, nor does it represent any kind of reflection of Michigan’s actual intent. Neither does Hillary’s 55% of the votes from a ballot without Obama’s name on it. The credentials committee will infuriate a large portion of the delegates regardless of which decision they reach, especially since it appears that Obama himself frustrated the effort to schedule a new Michigan primary.
Yesterday, pollster John Zogby threw another element into the fire when he claimed that an effort had begun to draft Al Gore as the nominee with Barack Obama as his running mate. Supposedly, the Obama campaign sees this as preferable to being Hillary’s running mate, although for what reason, no one can guess. That would mean that the Democrats would nominate someone who received no votes at all during the primary process and make Obama the person who connived in a back-room deal to cut Hillary and her supporters from a shot at the nomination from the convention floor.
Yeah, sure. That would be helpful. If Obama’s campaign is really considering this — and I find it highly doubtful — they’d be signing the death warrant for Democratic chances in 2008.
The Democratic primary has become a game of chicken, and no one wants to blink first. Even when options are available for resolution or at least clarification, both sides refuse to choose anything but a head-on collision. And that’s exactly what they will get in Denver.
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The Clinton’s still have the Doomsday Machine option.
fogw on March 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM
A mushroom cloud over Denver, lovely. Why can’t this happen in someone else’s backyard…?
CliffHanger on March 21, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I find it fascinating that the Democrat party still wants to changes the rules in the middle of the game. I hope we win in November. I can’t wait to hear the accusations of voter fraud, election rigging, Carl Rovism conspiracy theory’s. I can only hope.
Kini on March 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Add this (via Michelle) and it will be like Armageddon:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/21/recreate-68-threatens-democrat-convention-in-denver/
Brat on March 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Can you say “RIOTS” across america if somehow Hillary gets in. Buy your popcorn early that day before the stores burn down.
Legions on March 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Nominating Gore might help clear up some of the primary mess, but it won’t help the Democrats at all in the general election. Gore’s got the proper accessories to get the core Democrats excited, but his appeal would be minimal to the general electorate. People still associate him with the Clintons, and anxious middle-class voters watching gas creep up on four bucks a gallon won’t be excited by the guy who thinks gas is way too cheap. The Dems best hope is to convince Obama to dramatically, emotionally withdraw from the race and throw his support behind Hillary before the convention. After the Reverend Wright scandal, I don’t think they have any other victory scenario, unless McCain self-destructs.
Doctor Zero on March 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I was listening to Billy Jeff on Greta the other day and he was claiming that Barry O made a peculiar national media buy right before the FL primary. So, the new messiah was clever in bending the rules. That is relying on Billy Jeff to be an accurate historian, of course.
tommylotto on March 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
also make sure you are exercising your 2nd amendment rights. could get ugly depending on how this plays out
jp on March 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Will independents start asking themselves, “Is this the party we want running Washington?” Are these people capable of managing “fundamental change” in Washington when they can’t even run an election right?
ronsfi on March 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Yay! Caged death match (without the spandex)! Woo-hoo! Go, Dems, go –eat your own like you’re starving survivors of a plane crash!!!
aero on March 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Dee. Lish. Us.
Now, if only the Republicans had a candidate to be excited about.
Midas on March 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM
I suggest pistols, at thirty paces, at dawn tomorrow.
Seriously, do either of these jokers, or even the goracle think they are going to win in November? They are not qualified to run a McDonald’s franchise.
awake on March 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM
If only the Democrat presidential candidates were as suspious of people like Ahmadinejad, as they are of each other.
RBMN on March 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Al Gore running would be insane. Democrat voters aren’t going to stand for it. Who comes up with these nutty ideas? Al Gore? And Obama is not running for VP, he is running for potus. This is really stupid — like someone on DU came up with the idea.
Blake on March 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Well, let’s look at how well Obama played by those rules..Those same rules that kept his name off the ballot in MI were in effect when his name was on the ballot in FL. One could argue that he thought his chances were better in FL than MI. He didn’t put his name on our ballot in MI, even after being given multiple opportunities to do so, yet just before the primary, Edward’s and Obama’s people were openly encouraging voters to chose uncommitted.
Pam on March 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
That that is a possibility, however likely, makes me weep for my once proud nation. Ahh the Donks. Bringing us together? The ID Politics Chickens are home and roosting nicely.
ronsfi on March 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
The Clintons don’t play chicken. They won’t blink. This isn’t about the party. It’s about them, as it always has been. If the party is decimated by it… so be it.
Sugar Land on March 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Hey, I live in Highlands Ranch, should be out of immediate impact zone, but will still be able to see the cloud from the Bluffs (biking distance from the house)…
Guns are loaded… anyone else in for a little Denver Conservative Party to watch the fireworks… from a safe distance?
Romeo13 on March 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM
The only option Shillary has is to just hang it up, wait four years, ponder over the mistakes she made this time, learn from them, then try it again in 2012.
During this time, she can finally divorce Bubba Billy. That alone would improve her odds the next time around.
pilamaye on March 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Right. And someone or something else will be to blame bacause it will never, ever be their fault.
BacaDog on March 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Note to self: buy more popcorn.
The Democrats, if not fatally wounded for this election, have done serious damage to themselves. Could they repair the damage and at what price?
rbj on March 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
CONDI RICE FOR VP, its the only card we have to play now.
Legions on March 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Can we have it moved? PLEASE?
Maybe to Mexico or LA or anywhere but Denver Colorado. Our thin air takes a long time to clear out and I fear we may never see clearly again after the Dem cloud comes in.
.
Hey, did you hear Obama attacked Hillary today?
She must be just another typical white woman.
shooter on March 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
All this is putting more pressure on Screaming Dean and the Supers to force a deal – most likely being Herself on top and Barry in VP slot. This is their best case scenario, and JohnnyMac’s worst case. How would that play out?
Think_b4_speaking on March 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I’m in, from south Littleton myself. ( i also have a box or two of real fireworks I need to set off.)
shooter on March 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Now if McCain can’t campaign on this and turn it into a positive for him, he deserves to lose the Whitehouse.
the Dem’s antics have bellied themselves up to McCain in a feeding trough and, of course, he would be too high and mighty to bit and move his campaign forward.. because the GOP is ‘above’ such behavior..
DaveC on March 21, 2008 at 12:51 PM
It’s really fun that we’re at the point of “something’s gotta give” and nothing’s giving. These are two of the most egotistical politicians ever to walk the face of the earth (and it really still is anyone’s race). Both think they own the nomination. Hillary will not back down – the entire reason for her existance is to become President. Obama will not back down – he has a divine mission to “change” and “heal” and “hope.”
The convention’s gonna be more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
I also find it quite satisfying that the “fractured” party isn’t the Republicans, as the MSM kept telling us over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not that I’m a fan of McCain’s by any stretch, and I still may go third party come November (it all depens on who his Veep pick is), but it is quite satisfying to watch the MSM be proven wrong yet again
McCain self-destructing at this stage of the game is unlikely. He’s playing it smart – let the other two beat each other to a pulp. McCain is just sitting back watching his poll numbers go up without having to lift a finger. Obama and Hillary are doing that for him with every blow they land on each other (it’s all to easy to picture him watching the news and cackling “Dance! Dance, my puppets!). And even if McCain goes loony between the convention and the general, who ever the Dem nominee is will be so damaged that at best (for them) a McCain crack-up will only level the playing field.
crazy_legs on March 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Condi, “the plight of the Palestinians”, Rice?
awake on March 21, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Ummm, not so fast…I’ve heard she’s pro-choice.
Brat on March 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Selected not elected!
Have the Democrats so little shame that they expose their hypocrisy with such ease?
These are the people willing to divine “voter intent” and count every hanging chad so as to make sure “every vote counts and every vote is counted.”
Now, when it suits their interests, they easily disenfranchise the voters in two of the largest States in the Union.
Have they no shame at long last?
Who’s going to put together the mashup of their rhetoric in 2000?
TheBigOldDog on March 21, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Re: Michigan Ballot
It’s a somewhat small point, but Obama tried to get his name BACK ON the Michigan ballot at the last minute, but it was way too late and the Supreme Court in MI blocked it.
Clark1 on March 21, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Yeah, it would certainly be the height of irony to have the Selected not elected! meme applied to Algore.
INC on March 21, 2008 at 1:16 PM
I say we evac and nuke the site from orbit… it’s the only way to be sure.
saltydogg14 on March 21, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Commander Cody, the time has come. Execute Order 66.
Little Boomer on March 21, 2008 at 1:19 PM
So, why should Florida and Michigan get do-overs, anyway? Their state parties knew exactly what they were doing when they violated the national party’s rules, and they knew what would happen. Granted, Dean was stupid to take away all their delegates, rather than half, like the Republicans, but stupidity on all parts is not a reason for doing a vote over. (See Florida – “butterfly ballot”)
The Democrats have painted themselves into a bad corner with this one, but it’s not the responsibility of the states’ taxpayers to bail them out.
irishspy on March 21, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Yes, but Hillary had Bill who made numerous appearances here on her behalf. She may have observed the letter of the rule but not the intent, imho.
Ann on March 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM
same thing I was thinking
windansea on March 21, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Ummmmmmmm…… who’s going to be on top?
Seven Percent Solution on March 21, 2008 at 1:35 PM
You mean this Doomsday Machine
Hillary could be an alien.
roux on March 21, 2008 at 1:36 PM
The Donkeys can’t get their own party process correct (a la Florida, 2000) and they want to run The U.S. of A.? Kindergartners.
TinMan13 on March 21, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Legions on March 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM
How about JC Watts? There’s an actual conservative who could be an asset to the country and be a possibility for 2012.
flytier on March 21, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Is this supposed to be bad news? All the pundits (no matter their ideological bent) look and Michigan & Florida and openly admit that they don’t have a clue how this can be resolved. The longer it goes on the longer the argument that we shouldn’t trust the nation to the party who can’t even agree among themselves!
Even better news! Now, there seems to be some dissent even with the choices offered of the “historic” first woman or black President. So….. back to the tried and true white male? And Al Gore of all people??? I can only imagine the fun if this story has any truth behind it!!!
Bring it on! Let’s watch the Democrats air decades worth of dirty linen in public as the special interests start attacking one another.
highhopes on March 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM
…”pollster John Zogby threw another element into the fire when he claimed that an effort had begun to draft Al Gore as the nominee with Barack Obama as his running mate.”
ROFLMAO. They’re working on a green, GREEN super-absorbent suit for the very very schvetty Gorebag… BWAHAHAHAHAhahaha.
Is it ok to make fun of Al on Good Friday? I too, have the audacity to hope…;-)
Christine on March 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM
And would we be putting Watts or Dr. Rice on the ticket at this time because of their ability or their demography? For that matter, I like Michael Steele.
I respect and admire both and think they’d be great candidates who I could get enthusiastic about far more than Triceratops BUT I don’t want the GOP to choose a VP nominee based on having to pick a “black one” to counteract the candidacy of Obama. That’s called pandering and it is repulsive no matter who does it. More importantly, it doesn’t work.
The better strategy is to put together a competent and experienced ticket which looks and acts presidential far before “day one” to contrast the food fight currently going on in the Democrat party. If the GOP is going to have a minority on the ticket, it needs to be for the right reason and not just a place holder.
highhopes on March 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM
CNN yesterday was making sure that everyone knew that it was a Republican state congress that went on recess in Michigan without having resolved the DNC’s mess that the Dem candidates themselves are waffling on as they try to figure their chances of actually winning a straight primary-style do-over. Not the first time I’ve heard the MSM try to pin it on us, and I predict placards in the streets of Denver blaming us for their stupidity/duplicity.
Maquis on March 21, 2008 at 2:02 PM
to coin the Blanchard-era state tourism slogan:
Yes M!ch!gan!
marc@hubsandspokes on March 21, 2008 at 2:03 PM
highhopes on March 21, 2008 at 1:57 PM
There you go again…thinking that the GOP would actually do something right when it comes to politics. I like JC because not only does he have experience, a good conservative record but he also has a lot more on the ball than McShame and could actually get some conservatives enthused about the ticket.
flytier on March 21, 2008 at 2:05 PM
Maquis on March 21, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Actually it was the Democrat controlled MI House that went on vacation and the Dem. Speaker of the House said that the deal with dead on Wednesday.
flytier on March 21, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Note – the michigan legislature is divided; dems control the state house, republicans the senate. But of course our governor is the illustrious Jennifer Granholm, hillary supporter and a supporter of the early primary. And there are plenty of dems in the senate who didn’t want a re-vote (obama supporters). kinda hard to blame the GOP…
marc@hubsandspokes on March 21, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Yes,
Your crystal ball, and mine, are running on the same wavelength.
franksalterego on March 21, 2008 at 2:08 PM
Now Marc, you know as well as I do that the GOP is to blame for everything in Michigan. Jennifer Granholm is Christ returned to earth with a spotless record. The only reason why Michigan is in a one-state recession is because of Engler, GOP politicians, NAFTA, insourcing, outsourcing, the DeVos family, Toyota, etc…..
I have yet to see anybody ascribe blame for Michigan’s problems where they belong. We are an industrialized state being led by a Governor and party that thinks it is still 1959. Instead of setting the state (and its not insignificant resources) up for the future Granholm, MI Democrats, and the unions are attempting to build a time machine to go back to a time when the economy was fueled by manufacturing. It’s time for a change in leadership to individuals (I don’t care which party) who are forward looking instead of pandering for more auto manufacturing jobs and setting up worthless PR campaigns to designate some cities as “cool.”
highhopes on March 21, 2008 at 2:17 PM
I am firmly in flytiers camp here – a minority VP on the GOP side shouldn’t have to be a “statement” pick. I think Watts and Steele are both excellent conservatives, and it is 2008. Sure, Bobby Jindal is in the pipeline, and Sarah Palin is real popular among those who know her, but JC already has national prominence and he speaks a lot better than Dan Quayle did. You don’t pick a caucasian to prove you aren’t pandering I hope.
rhodeymark on March 21, 2008 at 2:24 PM
I agree, if we were electing candidates on issues this year it would be much more civil. However this ‘08 campaign is going to end up all about race, gender and religion (aka Mitt)..if issues were at the center here would we be seeing a John McCain with a Linsey Graham standing by his side 24/7. The illegal immigration debate was about issues and you see how far that got us. It got us McCain/Graham/Liberman. So you play the cards we are being dealt this year and its all about to blow right up in our faces as race and gender.
Legions on March 21, 2008 at 2:26 PM
What are you talking about, I’m jealous of you. You get to enjoy the feel-good movie of the year for free. Live.
Darth Executor on March 21, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Slaps self in head. I could have had a Mitt!
cjs1943 on March 21, 2008 at 2:38 PM
I didn’t know the Dems hired Tonya Harding…this should be fun to watch…pass the popcorn!
Liberty or Death on March 21, 2008 at 2:49 PM
If the democrats are playing chicken, does that mean that the chickens are about to come home to roost?
swampleg on March 21, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Hmmm…. from the Bluffs Park (corner of Lincoln and Yosemite) you’ve got a good view of Downtown Denver on a clear day….
Lawnchair? check…
Cooler for Beer?… yep…
Small gas burner for Jiffy Pop?… uh huh….
Conceal Carry Permit from Douglas county… yeppers…
Have to see if I can borrow a good telescope though…
Romeo13 on March 21, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. Imagine this kind of incompetence in all the arenas of our lives the Dems want to control.
mikeyboss on March 21, 2008 at 4:59 PM
How about if the Dems just surgically join Hill’s and Obi’s heads to John Dean’s body and send them up the flag pole in November….
Lockstein13 on March 21, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Absolutely right. And besides, Hillary’s entitled.
Gore wouldn’t have a chance, anyway. Heck, he couldn’t even win his own home state in 2000.
Del Dolemonte on March 21, 2008 at 6:27 PM
I am simply confused by all this super-delegate talk. IF you are going to require that the SGs vote the same as the primary voters, why have SGs at all? Is it just a way to give away more convention tickets?
I had thought the the purpose was to allow political considerations to influence a close match-up. Guess I was wrong.
OBQuiet on March 21, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Imagine if these goofs were actually in the White House and this were Al Queda instead of their own voters.
91Veteran on March 21, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Can that even be said anymore, or will McCain send you some nasty talking points about what’s allowed?
91Veteran on March 21, 2008 at 9:26 PM
If there are riots, we all know who’s to blame -Boooosh!
taznar on March 22, 2008 at 10:51 PM
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