NYT: Hillary pushing Wright scandal with superdelegates; Update: How’d the speech play in Pennsylvania?

posted at 10:23 am on March 20, 2008 by Allahpundit

Publicly, she’s letting the media carry the load. Privately, she’ll take it from here, thanks.

“Obama, confronted by an issue that was boiling, seemed to wade into it with a speech that was in many ways profound,” [Democratic consultant Ted] Devine said. “As a result, now these people who were so interested and awakened by his candidacy are back with him again. Instead of this being a setback, it becomes an opportunity.”

But the audience now is as much the Democratic superdelegates, who are especially attuned to politics and questions of electability in the fall, as it is rank-and-file voters.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers said they had spent recent days making the case to wavering superdelegates that Mr. Obama’s association with Mr. Wright would doom their party in the general election.

Follow the link for an interesting detail about Team Clinton’s worries over Pelosi or even the Goracle stepping in to swing the race to Obama. Is Devine right that the voters are “back with” Obama after the speech? Too soon to tell but a 44-37 Hillary lead in Pennsylvania is now a 51-35 lead. Are Hillary’s advisors right that Wright will doom him in the general? I’m still skeptical, but … dude. Note the Ohio numbers in particular. Think any superdels will be seeing that on their fax machines this morning? All signs point to yes!

As for those mysterious “controversial comments” of Wright’s that Obama now admits to having heard, it’s evidently … not what you think:

Update: Rasmussen says Obama’s numbers have stopped falling but haven’t bounced back. Meanwhile, Politico uses a bar in Pennsylvania as an informal focus group on the speech. Almost worthless given the sample, but not entirely:

Stephanie Gill, a bartender in a white working class neighborhood in this Rust Belt city, noticed the shift immediately.

A week ago, her customers at Rauchut’s Tavern in Tacony didn’t have much to say about Barack Obama. But when she returned to work Wednesday, a day after the Illinois senator attempted to quell the furor over his pastor’s racially incendiary remarks, the reaction inside the corner bar was raw and unapologetic.

“People are not happy with Obama,” Gill said. “It’s the race stuff.”…

And his speech Tuesday, although widely praised by the pundit caste and Obama supporters, has only seemed to widen the gulf with the Budweiser class here…

Glenn Peter, 54, a patron at Rauchut’s Tavern, said he heard finger pointing, not reconciliation. He took issue with Obama’s explanation that Wright’s observations of a racist America were reflecting the racial scars of his past…

Peter said he’s never voted for a Republican for president, but if Obama is the nominee, he will support Sen. John McCain…

Mitrea, the aesthetician on her cigarette break outside Beautyworx Salon and Day Spa in the Mayfair section of Philadelphia, said she watched the whole speech. And before the controversy over Wright’s sermons, Mitrea said she was 55 percent for Clinton, 45 percent for Obama.

“Now I am 100 percent for Clinton and zero percent for Obama,” Mitrea said.

Update: A “superdelegate primary”?


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Wednesday, March 19, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows John McCain continuing to hold a six-percentage point lead over both potential Democratic opponents. McCain currently leads Barack Obama 48% to 42%

William Amos on March 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM

“didn’t necessarily relate to” … “it wasn’t just related to his political views”

What a weasel.

Jaibones on March 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Great day to be a Democrat. You get to choose between Mr. Wright and Ms. wrong.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on March 20, 2008 at 10:33 AM

RCP averages have McCain beating Obama head up in Fla, Ohio and PA right now. There is simply no way the Dems will win if they lose all three of those states. The Dems appear to be between a rock and a hard place right now. If they nominate Obama, they lose the blue collar voters that will prefer a tough guy like McCain over a wine and cheese guy like Obama. If the superdelegates select Hillary, they alienate the black and youth vote, who will stay home in droves. Unless McCain makes some real major blunders or some scandal comes out, this is shaping up very badly for the Dems in November.

Dudley Smith on March 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Hillary is being smart, for once. The in-the-tank-for-Obama MSM would absolutely pillary her for making a peep about the Wright (my namesake!) affair. In this case, FNN and the existence of the Wright tapes on you-tube is doing her work for her.

Ultimately, I do not believe Hillary’s gambit will work. She will win PA big and will close the gap in NC based on whites rallying to her, but she won’t close the national vote margin completely and it appears that the MI and FL revotes won’t take place, with the most likely result being that the DNC decision to exclude their votes at the convention stands. Blacks will not stand for Obama being denied the nomination and the superdelegates know that.

RIP for your presidential ambitions, Hillary!

ptolemy on March 20, 2008 at 10:35 AM

So, is it time to stop voting Hillary and start voting Obama to ensure he gets the nod?

What’s better, potential chaos at the convention or helping ensure Obama gets the nomination regardless?

What happens if Obama gets the nomination and gets crushed? Will his supporters be saying the election was stolen?

TheBigOldDog on March 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM

The Dems appear to be between a rock and a hard place right now. If they nominate Obama, they lose the blue collar voters that will prefer a tough guy like McCain over a wine and cheese guy like Obama. If the superdelegates select Hillary, they alienate the black and youth vote, who will stay home in droves.
Dudley Smith on March 20, 2008 at 10:34 AM

To paraphrase one of our comedians, the Dems appear caught between Iraq and Ihardplace.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

So, is it time to stop voting Hillary and start voting Obama to ensure he gets the nod?

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Team McCain needs to do something to change the subject off of Wright. Wright’s done about as much damage as he’s going to do. Any more focus on him will seem frivolous.

ninjapirate on March 20, 2008 at 10:41 AM

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

It’s still somewhat reassuring that this man is not, in fact, the Word made Flesh. In February it was starting to look grim.

The_Freeze on March 20, 2008 at 10:42 AM

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

You think so? I’m not so sure. Very few fair minded people are going to vote for him. His speech did nothing to heal the divide. If anything it widened it.

Regardless of what Obama says, Wright’s defenders tell us:
1) This is what goes on in all Black Churches;
2) Nothing Wright said was wrong;
3) Wright was taken out of context;
4) White people don’t understand

TheBigOldDog on March 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Meanwhile Al Sharpton is explaining Rev Wright’s remarks as only criticism of the Government. I was watching Greta last night trying to discuss this subject with Al Sharpton and he is supposed to be back on tonight for a follow up throw Imus back under the bus it looks like Al Sharpton would much rather talk about Imus then Obama’s controversial Pastor.

Marty Davis, Chickaboomer attended the R&R in D.C., and came back with this video of Al Sharpton being confronted with Rev Wright’s remarks. Not everyone is buying what he is selling. There is more video in the Chickaboomer youtube.

http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2008/03/al-sharpton-drop-dead.html

Dr Evil on March 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM

So, is it time to stop voting Hillary and start voting Obama to ensure he gets the nod?

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

I say yes. Take no chances. Make sure Obama wins this thing. We have already given the Glacier new life. Please pull the plug before she emerges from this coma.

Allah, why are you so sure Obama will bounce back from this?

Zetterson on March 20, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Obama is lying in that video.
He has what I call the “liar face”

ArmyAunt on March 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Dr Evil on March 20, 2008 at 10:45 AM

I heard that. But, Wright says the country (The US of KKK) is run by “rich white people.” So, when Wright says the “government” it’s obvious he saying “rich white people.”

TheBigOldDog on March 20, 2008 at 10:49 AM

The left loves an America that could be; the right loves America as it is. The “core” of Obama’s patriotism is that someday America might be good enough to warrant his love. Right now? Not quite there.

And dissent is patriotism! Straight out of Kos. At least he didn’t attribute the quote to Jefferson.

PattyJ on March 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Allah I disagree with you in one way.
I think he will bounce back in the polls.
But when it comes time to mark that ballot, in the privacy of the voting booth, I think he is going to get his butt kicked.

ArmyAunt on March 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Obama’s doomed – Dick Morris says he’s got the nomination.

The curse has been uttered.

Slublog on March 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Allah, why are you so sure Obama will bounce back from this?

Zetterson on March 20, 2008 at 10:47 AM

The media will gloss it over, he’ll still most likely be the Dem nominee, and much of our electorate has a short attention span?

amerpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM

He’s got a problem with the whole “Rev Wright saw the country as static” argument, because Wright was talking in large part about current events. He was teaching people of all ages about the current unfairness of America and they were cheering.

I like Obama generally, but you can definitely tell when he’s about to start dissembling. He slows down and really searches for words.

MayBee on March 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Wow. So McCain beats Obama in NH and ties in Colorado. Drudge says the latest RR poll has McCain with a double digit lead over Clinton, 7% over Obama.

amerpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

AP – bounce back to where?

Jesse Jackson’s off-the record “Hymietown” remark was made over 20 years ago. His once-lofty approval numbers never got back to any decent range for general voters. Ever.

We have Youtube all over the place now, along with 35 million conservative talk show listeners. Millions of people have seen Wright’s speeches and many millions more will see it over the next several months. And that throwing his kind, generous grandmother under the bus. Unbelievable.
What voter does not think that they have had a kind, generous grandmother? Dead man walking, this ungrateful Barry kid..

As long as we have the Internet and those many images, Obama’a toast.

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM

The media will gloss it over, he’ll still most likely be the Dem nominee, and much of our electorate has a short attention span?

amerpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM

True. I’m slightly skeptical though still. Your reasoning behind the bounce back theory is logical its just that so much that has happened this campaign season has defied logic. Its almost as if I’m begining to expect the unexpected. And I just get an uneasy felling when someone as smart as Allahpundit still continues to make these predictions with such a high level of confidence. At this point I just want to see Clinton gone. Not just because watching her fall will be such a beautiful sight, but because I think she is the most dangerous, driven and corrupt politician of my lifetime. And, not to mention the fact that I would give just about anything just to avoid having to listen to that horrific voice day in and day out for the next 8 years. But I’m sure thats just me.

Zetterson on March 20, 2008 at 11:04 AM

More of Hillary’s supporters will vote for Obama in the general than Obama’s will for Hillary if she gets the nomination. That is the key in the general.

a capella on March 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM

So, is it time to stop voting Hillary and start voting Obama to ensure he gets the nod?

I say yes. Not only did he malign black people by saying what he did about black churches (all black churches are NOT the same, just like all white churches are NOT the same) he set race relations back, way back, I can’t even say how far back. Wright does NOT speak for all black Americans and to say he does is divisive and egregious.

We need to assure that Obama gets the nomination. He is unable to win in the general because he revealed himself to be a liar and a racist.

Is it too late to register as a dem in the states with upcoming primaries?

P.S. THANK YOU RUSH and Operation Chaos…without it, none of this would have been brought to the forefront.

JustTruth101 on March 20, 2008 at 11:11 AM

I still think that Obama is far more dangerous than Hillary.
He is, I feel, a truly radicalized racially divisive candidate and yet there are many conservatives – not real bright ones, I’ve generally noticed – who have taken the Sandra Day O’Connor affirmative action koolaid.

Notice all the calls for Condeleeza Rice to be the VP for McCain. She has been a first-rate disaster, a real State Department zombie (as was Colin Powell), yet there is some kind of a guilt trip in the conservative movement that we have to one-up the democrats by pushing our own unqualified affirmative action candidate.

We can’t win anything by simply mimicking the dems. Haven’t Bush’s domestic policy and overspending disasters taught us anything?

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:21 AM

I am a lifelong Republican, but I have to admit I like the guy. I thought his speech was excellent, and it is nice to see a black man understanding that welfare was a cause of the Reagan Revolution. However, the fact is that the lions share of the progress needed to abate racism in the US will fall on the shoulders of the Black Community. Squandering the opportunity to take advantage of an education is foolish, and the hip hop culture is a profound turn off. Bill Cosby is on the right track, but playing the victim card seems to remain the most popular.

I am standing by to see what shakes out.

saiga on March 20, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Dick Morris is the Joseph Granville of politics.
Granville says that the Dow will fall to 1000 – it climbs to 14,000.
Morris says that Obama is in – his ass is gone.

Their recommendations are always advertisements for “put’ options.

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Far from bringing the country together, Obama’s candidacy will cause a s#17 storm no matter who is nominated now.

ronsfi on March 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

No, he won’t.

John the Libertarian on March 20, 2008 at 11:27 AM

A superdelegate primary? Seriously? Isn’t that changing the rules, not to mention a slap in the face to MI and FL voters?

Pam on March 20, 2008 at 11:28 AM

amerpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Yes it may die down, but what is the next skeleton to come out of his closet? There is alot of time between now and August..alot of time!

Pam on March 20, 2008 at 11:31 AM

“I am a lifelong Republican, but I have to admit I like the guy.”
saiga on March 20, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Why, exactly? Was it his refusal to salute the flag, or his attacking the Reagan Coalition for wanting Welfare Reform?
Remember – he’s AGAINST welfare reform. He votes far Left, he associates with racist rabblerousers who hate your guts, who want massive infusions of tax dollars for their pet projects and Obama also thinks that our entire criminal justice system is racist, perhaps necessitating a quota system for violent criminals. He wants to stop domestic oil drilling, while taxing our own oil companies, and yet we have to sign on to Kyoto and wreck our economy while we triple our taxpayer-funded entitlement programs.
And that’s just for starters.

What “Republican” party have you actually been a member of, supposedly? It certain;y hasn’t been the same one the rest of us have been in..

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Obama is slowly becoming the Invisible Man.

(In the Claude Rains, not Ralph Ellison, sense.)

An empty suit.

With a disconnected pair of shoes tap-dancing furiously.

profitsbeard on March 20, 2008 at 11:44 AM

That Politico article is a telling one. I grew up outside of Philly, and there is enough of the Frank Rizzo constituency left there that this one bar is a bigger sampling of opinion than you might think. These are the guys that used to sit in the 700 Level at the Vet and throw snowballs with batteries in them when the Cowboys came to town.

Dudley Smith on March 20, 2008 at 11:45 AM

And those guys will not let a guy Barry professed to love as an Uncle and had advising tell them to basically go to hell.

What the hell was Barry thinking??? What kind of judgment was that?

Unreal.

benrand on March 20, 2008 at 11:52 AM

What “Republican” party have you actually been a member of, supposedly? It certain;y hasn’t been the same one the rest of us have been in..

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Whoa Nelly. I didn’t say I support him, I think he is a likeable guy that gave a good speech. As president, he would be worse than a Bolivian train wreck.

saiga on March 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

On the other hand, I just can’t vote for McCain. His amnesty performance was like a rusty bayonet twisting in my kidney. I will be sitting this one out because I refuse to be intimidated into pulling a lever for that pandering fool.

If he is to win, he will do it without my help. If the dems win, it will set a course for a new conservative movement that will be similar to what Jimmy Carter did for conservatives. I’m so mad at the government right now (and the American electorate for that matter)that I am ready for real change, and not the kind Obama wants.

saiga on March 20, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Bounce back? I think you are surrounded by to many libs. This might be settled in NYC, or DC, but on Main Street USA it is not. I know here in NC this is not playing well( blacks or whites ).I was not suprised by the new poll in NC, and expect Hillary to win the State by at least 5%. Obama might bounce back to hold on to the nomination, but there is no way he can undo the damage this has caused. No one wants to lectured on race from a guy who did not have the moral courage to stand up to racism in his “own front yard”.

chief on March 20, 2008 at 12:19 PM

It’s still somewhat reassuring that this man is not, in fact, the Word made Flesh…
The_Freeze on March 20, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Fabulous! No worries, that happened 2,000 yrs, IMHO, so it’s all good ;-D

Branch Rickey on March 20, 2008 at 12:39 PM

No. He’ll bounce back from this.

Allahpundit on March 20, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Not in PA he won’t, Hillary is gonna hand Obama his own ass here in April, he’ll do well with black voters and the rich surburbanite douchebag set, but that’s all he’s getting.

doubleplusundead on March 20, 2008 at 12:54 PM

What “Republican” party have you actually been a member of, supposedly? It certain;y hasn’t been the same one the rest of us have been in..

TexasJew on March 20, 2008 at 11:36 AM

Mazel Tov on a brilliant post. Puryium (sp?) begins at sundown?

Branch Rickey on March 20, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I only have one complaint. Tacony is a part of Philadelphia and Philadelphia is in no way a rust belt city.

John Cunningham on March 20, 2008 at 1:23 PM

And his speech Tuesday, although widely praised by the pundit caste and Obama supporters, has only seemed to widen the gulf with the Budweiser class here…

…and there it is… That’s exactly what I suspected. He significantly widened the gulf, not narrowed it.

The bud class saw Wright and their jaws hit their chests…

TheBigOldDog on March 20, 2008 at 1:36 PM

I have FDR Democrats in my family from Pennsylvania. They have never voted for a Republican for President in their lifetimes. 8 of 9 of them have already told me they are voting for McCain.

It’s pretty shocking.

gabriel sutherland on March 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Obama has an interesting definition of Patriotism—>”are we willing to sacrifice on behalf of future generations?” My only question is: what do you think we are doing in Iraq, Senator?

Dollayo on March 20, 2008 at 9:47 PM