New NASA data indicates ocean temperatures … have cooled slightly since 2003

posted at 5:43 pm on March 19, 2008 by Allahpundit

Evidence that global warming isn’t happening? Not necessarily, although it certainly hasn’t been happening over the past year. Evidence that the predictive modeling in this area isn’t nearly as nuanced as it needs be? Pretty much, yeah.

Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years. That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren’t quite understanding what their robots are telling them.

This is puzzling in part because here on the surface of the Earth, the years since 2003 have been some of the hottest on record. But Josh Willis at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory says the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming

In recent years, heat has actually been flowing out of the ocean and into the air. This is a feature of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino. So it is indeed possible the air has warmed but the ocean has not. But it’s also possible that something more mysterious is going on.

That becomes clear when you consider what’s happening to global sea level. Sea level rises when the oceans get warm because warmer water expands. This accounts for about half of global sea level rise. So with the oceans not warming, you would expect to see less sea level rise. Instead, sea level has risen about half an inch in the past four years. That’s a lot…

It’s … possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says. Or it’s possible that scientists need to correct for some other feature of the planet they don’t know about. It’s an exciting time, though, with all this new data about global sea temperature, sea level and other features of climate.

So many possibilities. Here’s another: What if the heat escaping into the air from the oceans results in the dreaded runaway greenhouse effect? Actually, that’s not one to worry about. Turns out the predictive modeling there was all wrong, too.

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That’s why we call it Global Climate Change nowadays, rather than the more circumscribed “Global Warming.”

Bob's Kid on March 19, 2008 at 5:44 PM

AL GORE LIED, LET IT SLIDE! :)

ThePrez on March 19, 2008 at 5:46 PM

an infinitely thick atmosphere would make space travel a lot easier though. :P

lorien1973 on March 19, 2008 at 5:46 PM

So, maybe the treehuggers were right … back in the 70s.

Tony737 on March 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM

an infinitely thick atmosphere would make space travel a lot easier though. :P

Apparently we need to fill space with politicians then.

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 19, 2008 at 5:49 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Algore couldn’t be wrong!!! The Gorecal has spoken and the earth must obey!

flytier on March 19, 2008 at 5:50 PM

…results in the dreaded runaway greenhouse effect?
Nuclear Winter to the rescue!!!

innominatus on March 19, 2008 at 5:50 PM

cold reception from the left…

shooter on March 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Gore is crying.

j0 on March 19, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Bob’s Kid on March 19, 2008 at 5:44 PM

who is “We”?

upinak on March 19, 2008 at 5:53 PM

who is “We”?

I dunno. Them, I guess.

Not me, personally, ’cause I ain’t stupid.

Bob's Kid on March 19, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Bush’s Fault

Wade on March 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM

So did he not invent the internet either?

d1carter on March 19, 2008 at 5:58 PM

“…the oceans are what really matter when it comes to global warming…”

What’s that big, bright, burning ball of gas up there in the sky?

“Or it’s possible that scientists need to correct for some other feature of the planet they don’t know about. “

You think?

Seven Percent Solution on March 19, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Weather changes………..thanks for the update NASA.

omnipotent on March 19, 2008 at 6:01 PM

So, it’s “Global Cooling” again?? And don’t give me this “Climate Change” crap either – climate change is what happens when the temperature either rises or drops…

Rick on March 19, 2008 at 6:02 PM

The latest research says that climatologists are … full of crap.

nukemhill on March 19, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Or it’s possible that scientists need to correct are trying to sell dolts on a hoax for some other feature of the planet grant money because they don’t know about anything but governmental control of lives through taxation?

Branch Rickey on March 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM

The planet is cooling, the CO2 is rising. What’s wrong with the computer model’s conclusion rising CO2 causes global warming? Al Gore, anyone want to take a stab at it? The computer models can’t even predict 5 years out, who thinks they predict 100 years out?

Don’t trust your computer model to a liberal, it will tax you every time.

But — Maybe it’s the sun? The sun seems to have gone on holiday right in the middle of the fever.

tarpon on March 19, 2008 at 6:05 PM

I’m sorry but, did I really sleep through science class? Is “sea water” different than regular water. In short, doesn’t water contract when warmed and expand when cooled? Isn’t that why pipes burst when they freeze? Are these “real scientists” writing these articles? So many questions and so little time before we all drown.

Up-Chuck on March 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM

This makes my head hurt. Must be time for me to get another cranial rinse from “Big Al”.

TooTall on March 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM

They collect maybe 10% of the data needed to make a correct decision, feed it into a computer model that they made up, come up with a conclusion that they want, and it becomes a scientific certainty in their minds.
Further proof of the failure of public edjucaton. What ever happened to running an experiment and looking for a result, and then doing it again and again and getting the same result. Now they start with the result and make computer models to prove their result.

Corsair on March 19, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Al said the debate is over, we have no reason not to believe him right?

TroubledMonkey on March 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM

What this does, is officially clear up a few things:

1> Al Gore tried to pull off one of the greatest scams in the history of mankind. This scam makes the “oil for good” scam look like child’s play.
2> The film academy having awarded Al Gore an Oscar for his scam of a movie is an embarrassment that should further drive the nail into this industries coffin.
3> Al Gore wins the Nobel Peace Prize!!!! This award is now officially down the sewer pipe. What an embarrassment; what a scam…
3> Watching as the Hollywood establishment bowed at the knees of Al Gore while handing him an Oscar; this moment tells the story of just how much we “shouldn’t” look to these people for anything other than simple entertainment. If fact, we should boycott films and TV shows that include people that helped to perpetrate this scam on the rest of us. These people need to be held responsible for their behavior, just as the rest of us are held to these standards on a daily basis.
4> Al Gore had several partners in this scam… The United Nations helped to lead the way. An investigation should take place into the relationship between the UN and Al Gore, focusing the investigation on the staging and planning of this world wide scam; who was to profit; what impact would this have had on the industries of the world that are producing those goods necessary for our survival.

Al Gore is a true example of Liberalism… A complete failure of a human, just as Liberalism has been a complete failure to humans everywhere it has been implemented. Much to be revealed as we learn more about this worldwide scam.

Keemo on March 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Somebody should send this quickly to McCain before he becomes president and raise our price of gas by a buck or more with his climate change policy.

BroncosRock on March 19, 2008 at 6:10 PM

So the atmo is infinitely thick? Sorta like the Goracle then, huh?

hburns on March 19, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Folks, a bunch of the ‘global warming’ data is corrupt, as this site is showing. The instrumentation has been changed over the last couple of decades to electronic thermometers and, for convenience of laying less leads, many of these stations now are right next to heated buildings. Here is one of scores of examples of these new placements. That site is attempting to research as many sites as possible.

I spent 19 years as a scientist; rule number 1 is to control the variables during measurement. It looks like the conversion to the MMTS instrumentation has damaged that significantly in terms of global temperature maeasurement.

michaelo on March 19, 2008 at 6:13 PM

I think it’s time for that law suit against Al Gore by the guy that created the Weather Channel.

Fraud………. Hoax………. in other words:

char·la·tan (shärl-tn)
n.
A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a quack or fraud

Seven Percent Solution on March 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM

The latest research says that climatologists are … full of crap.

nukemhill on March 19, 2008 at 6:04 PM

And their pockets full of tax money for grants.

Wade on March 19, 2008 at 6:15 PM

I’m sorry but, did I really sleep through science class? Is “sea water” different than regular water. In short, doesn’t water contract when warmed and expand when cooled? Isn’t that why pipes burst when they freeze?

Actually, water is at it’s maximum density right before freezing if memory serves. Freezing make it expand until it forms a solid matrix. Heating also makes it expand to the point of changing states and becoming steam.

That is if I’m not misremembering my high school chemistry.

hburns on March 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I dunno, it sure feels warm over in California today. I mean, like, even warmer than last month!

NTWR on March 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM

“Global warming doesn’t mean every year will be warmer than the last. And it may be that we are in a period of less rapid warming.”

Right, temperatures going down now equals “less rapid warming”.

Every time a “scientist” attempts lame spin like this, their cover is blown for good.

forest on March 19, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Bush’s Fault

Wade on March 19, 2008 at 5:57 PM

Yes, it always was, continues to be, and always will be. I’m surprised Bush hasn’t conjured up one of his category 5 Hurricanes lately – just to remind all of his power.

Rick on March 19, 2008 at 6:20 PM

I have one word for what climate scientists need.

Humility.

If you are studying a complex phenomenon like temperature fluctuations/trends over a global system, it can be very helpful to remember the limits of one’s own knowledge.

cs89 on March 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM

m sorry but, did I really sleep through science class? Is “sea water” different than regular water. In short, doesn’t water contract when warmed and expand when cooled? Isn’t that why pipes burst when they freeze? Are these “real scientists” writing these articles? So many questions and so little time before we all drown.

Up-Chuck on March 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Water is densest at 40 degrees F. Above or below that temperature, it expands. It is that unique property that prevents the oceans from freezing solid with only a thin liquid veneer at its surface, as it would if water behaved like any other substance.

VelvetElvis on March 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM

They need to check the siesmic activity in the Pacific. It went through a major active phase a couple of years ago, with lots of earthquakes, sea floor movement (remember the Tsunamis?) and undersea volcanic activity…

don’t have the data in front of me, but I bet its decreased… thus a drop in sea water temp…

These “climatologists” are clueless. The Earth is a closed system. It has internal heat, heat in the crust, heat in the sea, heat in ice, heat in the atmosphere… then it gets energy from the sun, and radiates energy to space as a loss…

Problem is that they are only looking at part of the data set, and trying to make conclusions about the whole system from it.

Romeo13 on March 19, 2008 at 6:34 PM

If you are studying a complex phenomenon like temperature fluctuations/trends over a global system, it can be very helpful to remember the limits of one’s own knowledge.

cs89 on March 19, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Absotively. Scientists just don’t know enough to make projections and determine causes. It’s not science, it’s recklessness. The temperature data isn’t even reliable. But isn’t it funny that they only doubt their data when they get results they don’t expect or want.

The whole thing just reeks.

forest on March 19, 2008 at 6:34 PM

In related news, Al Gore thinks that a differentiable function is continuous. The Republicans denounce calculus books.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 6:39 PM

For the true believers and heavily invested crypto-communists involved in the ‘global warming’ movement, all of the scientific evidence to the contrary won’t change a thing. It’s the new ‘pink’ and has already established a commercial base of such significance that if science proved it all dead wrong today, 75 years from now, it’ll still be around.

AUINSC on March 19, 2008 at 6:53 PM

If you take away global warming, what will environuts have to feel self-righteous about? Have you people no decency?

TheUnrepentantGeek on March 19, 2008 at 6:53 PM

In related news, Al Gore thinks that a differentiable function is continuous. The Republicans denounce calculus books.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Vladamir, let me introduce you to my little friend

http://www.climateaudit.org

after you’re done reading come back

windansea on March 19, 2008 at 7:00 PM

Fear not! The great Mephisto Al will save us from the dire man made consequences of global cooling.

Speakup on March 19, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Here in MN we’re getting another winter storm warning for Friday. A day after spring. As a local radio host here says , ” More proof of global warming” Never let nature get in the way of a good social brainwashing with Goracean science.

MNDavenotPC on March 19, 2008 at 7:16 PM

all of the scientific evidence to the contrary won’t change a thing.

Do you have a presentation ready? I can organize an invited lecture at a top University.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Well, Algore is a representative of PostModernism. Truth is what he says it is … not what he said it was yesterday. Yesterday that was truth.

And you wonder why people don’t respect the truth. They don’t see enough of it to know what it is.

njcommuter on March 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Pi x 2c (xkdhfkda + kdja’djkd) -22(dkafjkjpwpw) = Accuracy of climate change predictions.

SouthernGent on March 19, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Folks, a bunch of the ‘global warming’ data is corrupt, as this site is showing.

michaelo, Anthony Watts used to be my local weatherman! Just a layman talking here, but he is doing some fantastic work! With all the man-made hysteria, only a few are paying attention to what is going on with the Sun. The latest entry on Anthony’s blog here. Something odd happened in late 2005.

Another of my favorite links. The warming leveled off 8 years ago, and one article on this page shows a downward trend for the last 5 years.

Feedie on March 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Would that lecture be in the former Soviet Union and do you long for a return to the good old days. By the way, would you like to buy some coolimg credits.

Johan Klaus on March 19, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Or it’s possible that scientists need to correct for some other feature of the planet they don’t know about.

Heh. In 3rd grade science I learned that the center of the Earth is a giant molten, spinning mass of hot lava. (You know, in response to “how come I can’t dig to China?)

So let’s see, spinning mass of molten lava with just enough of it sticking out of the waters cooled off from spinning in a cold dark universe whose temperature happens to be 3 Kelvin, around -270 Centigrade.

Yeah, I’m shaking from the thought of global warming. Not.

Califemme on March 19, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Branch Rickey at 6:05PM

That says it all.

jgapinoy on March 19, 2008 at 8:09 PM

It’s warm ice. The warmer it gets, the more ice melts and cools off the water.

I hope this doesn’t mean that the Nobel rock concert being televised on a major network is canceled?

Hening on March 19, 2008 at 8:12 PM

That could mean global warming has taken a breather. Or it could mean scientists aren’t quite understanding what their robots are telling them.

Yeah. Or, maybe this whole global warming crisis was always a crock of shit? Who knew?

Seixon on March 19, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Would that lecture be in the former Soviet Union

In suburbs of Boston.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Vaclav Klaus, the president of the Czeh Republic, has a unique perspective on global warming. Having grown up under communism, he said that the people pushing global warming are using the same techniques that the communist used to push their agenda’s. He gives an intelligent and unemotional argument against man made global warming.

Johan Klaus on March 19, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Would that be Boston College?

Johan Klaus on March 19, 2008 at 8:26 PM

A few quotes from just a few years ago:

Apocalypse Then, The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer — Paul Ehrlich – The Population Bomb (1968)

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 — Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. — Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity … in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion — Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century — Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon… The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. — Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. — Lowell Ponte “The Cooling”, 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000…This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. — Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. — Reid Bryson, “Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man”, (1971)

Alden Pyle on March 19, 2008 at 8:39 PM

AL GORE LIED, LET IT SLIDE! :)

ThePrez on March 19, 2008 at 5:46 PM

HA!

tx2654 on March 19, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Do you have a presentation ready? I can organize an invited lecture at a top University.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 7:25 PM

No, but here’s one if you are looking:

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/sppi_originals/fallacies_about_global_warming.html

…yeah. Oh wait! You weren’t being serious were you?

AUINSC on March 19, 2008 at 8:54 PM

As an insulation contractor I need global cooling to
be the next crises. Will any of you help create A new
global panic to pave my way to prosperity? If not I
will just keep up the 60 hour weeks and hope it is
enough.

aceinstall on March 19, 2008 at 8:57 PM

Algore lied. Penguins multiplied?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 19, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Global Warming (hiding under the title “Climate Change”) is the One True Religion of the left, and Al Gore is its prophet.

People like Freevillage would rather die than change their minds, no amount of facts will affect them.

And the scientific community needs a major house-clearing to re-establish the scientific method, as opposed to what the community is doing these days.

If materials scientists had the track record of climate scientists, nobody would build office blocks over five stories tall. How many decades did it take to even question the atmospheric thickness assumption in the equations in question?

How sad is it that so much time is wasted making excuses for errors and berating those pointing out the errors, and so little time spent correcting them?

The inability to say “I don’t know” is hardly limited to climate science or any scientific field, but it’s certainly a prime example.

Merovign on March 19, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Ok’ let’s dust off the old 1970′s NewsWeek articles about the comming Ice age and get those article recirculated as Current Events.

Egfrow on March 19, 2008 at 9:20 PM

People like Freevillage would rather die than change their minds, no amount of facts will affect them.

People like freevillage are still patiently waiting for someone to agree to come to their school and give a talk full of facts to a curious audience.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 9:21 PM

People like freevillage are still patiently waiting for someone to agree to come to their school and give a talk full of facts to a curious audience.

I’m pretty sure that flying someone to Boston to enlighten a ‘curious audience’ like freevillage suggests would pour some major carbon into the atmosphere, no? Do they not have the internet in Boston, where a truly ‘curious audience’ could do a little research on their own? Oh well, maybe they aren’t such a ‘curious audience’ after all…

AUINSC on March 19, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Water is densest at 40 degrees F. Above or below that temperature, it expands. It is that unique property that prevents the oceans from freezing solid with only a thin liquid veneer at its surface, as it would if water behaved like any other substance.

VelvetElvis on March 19, 2008 at 6:31 PM

Actually water is densest when it’s frozen on Lake Margrethe in Grayling, Michigan and is still 2 feet thick on March 19th!
I sure hope that global warming works out for Algore, cause it certainly would be nice to have a little heat before July!

flytier on March 19, 2008 at 9:56 PM

Don’t worry guys, even if this global warming

crisis

turns out to be another load of farm fresh, they’ll come up with a new one to panic and scam the world with eventually. Humanity is gullible and scam artists like Gore know it.

Grayson on March 19, 2008 at 10:06 PM

“There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant,” Willis says. So the buildup of heat on Earth may be on a brief hiatus. “Global warming doesn’t mean every year will be warmer than the last. And it may be that we are in a period of less rapid warming.”

This part was my favorite. Actual temperature readings were cooler, so we conclude that heat buildup must be on a brief hiatus. Got that? It may be that we’re in a period of less rapid warming.

Cooler = heat buildup hiatus.
Cooler = less rapid warming.
5 years cooler = not every year warmer.

Orwell much, dude?

Jaibones on March 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Oh wow. I just noticed that the Goracle himself has an Advertisement on the right sidebar that flshes up from time to time. A big one too! Awesome. Glad he’s spending his $$ at HotAir.

AUINSC on March 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message….

It’s … possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says.

Don’t submarines constantly monitor the ocean temps as the travel through it looking for the thermocline layer?

If so lets keep our subs out on patrol mapping the temperature changes all in the name of global warming global cooling defense.
Its a win win.

Science will get more data, it wont be able to explain, and our military is doing their job.

F15Mech on March 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM

I’m pretty sure that flying someone to Boston to enlighten a ‘curious audience’ like freevillage suggests would pour some major carbon into the atmosphere, no?

I did not promise you a private jet, just a coach seat in a commercial airliner of your choosing. We’ll also pay for lodging and restaurants and bars. We do treat our visitors very well. Promise.

We’re just asking for a well prepared and reasonably delivered talk in return.

Do they not have the internet in Boston, where a truly ‘curious audience’ could do a little research on their own? Oh well, maybe they aren’t such a ‘curious audience’ after all…

I’m sure, browsing online is how they do research at Liberty University. We have slightly different standards, which I’m happy to report have resulted in a not-so-slightly different reputation.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I’m sure, browsing online is how they do research at Liberty University. We have slightly different standards, which I’m happy to report have resulted in a not-so-slightly different reputation.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Yeah, I can tell already what a respectful and interested reception the “infidels” would receive in your backyard.

Why don’t you invite Lomborg or McIntyre or Lindzen instead of engaging in pointless internet forum tactics that verge on comment spam?

You see, addressing the information presented would be commenting, demanding someone come draw you a picture and hold your hand is trolling.

Merovign on March 20, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Alden Pyle on March 19, 2008 at 8:39 PM

They said it, it must be true.

Johan Klaus on March 20, 2008 at 1:49 AM

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 11:40 PM

You mean like Ann Coulter, David Horowitz and company received.

Johan Klaus on March 20, 2008 at 1:52 AM

How about inviting Vaclav Klaus? He is from an ex communist country. I am sure that a lot of the students could relate to that.

Johan Klaus on March 20, 2008 at 1:56 AM

People like freevillage are still patiently waiting for someone to agree to come to their school and give a talk full of facts to a hostile audience. There, I fixed it for you.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Johan Klaus on March 20, 2008 at 2:25 AM

Turns out the predictive modeling there was all wrong, too.

I’ve worked with many kinds of simulators for almost 25 years.
I can tell you this; You can have the most powerful, accurate, fastest, superdooper simulator in the world, but if your models are crap, then the results of any simulation is GIGO – Garbage In, Garbage Out.

Kini on March 20, 2008 at 6:08 AM

Hey freevillage, nobody here really gives a rat’s arse much what you folks “outside Boston” think. They have Gibbs and Sawyer Colleges outside Boston too. FYI – Judith Curry just had Steve McIntyre down to Georgia Tech to speak at a Climate symposium, and he has the Powerpoint of his presentation available at Climate Audit. Why don’t you go and educate yourself and maybe he would be willing to take up your offer. Heck, Lindzen is from MIT, no? Why don’t you go sit at his feet for awhile? You might learn something.

rhodeymark on March 20, 2008 at 6:22 AM

Blashphemy Allah! WE HAVE CONSENSUS! IT IS DECIDED!

BKennedy on March 20, 2008 at 6:31 AM

I did not promise you a private jet, just a coach seat in a commercial airliner of your choosing. We’ll also pay for lodging and restaurants and bars. We do treat our visitors very well. Promise.

We’re just asking for a well prepared and reasonably delivered talk in return.

This man has uber credentials, a new book, publications in peer reviewed journals, and used to have his powerpoint presentation online here.

studentpat on March 20, 2008 at 7:13 AM

People like freevillage are still patiently waiting for someone to agree to come to their school and give a talk full of facts to a hostile audience. There, I fixed it for you.

Why?

Heck, Lindzen is from MIT, no? Why don’t you go sit at his feet for awhile? You might learn something.

He’ll be part of the audience.

freevillage on March 20, 2008 at 7:37 AM

I’m sorry but, did I really sleep through science class? Is “sea water” different than regular water. In short, doesn’t water contract when warmed and expand when cooled? Isn’t that why pipes burst when they freeze? Are these “real scientists” writing these articles? So many questions and so little time before we all drown.

Up-Chuck on March 19, 2008 at 6:06 PM

you musta slept through about 5 mintues of it. :) Water expands and ultimately turns to steam when warmed. It contracts when cooled until it is totally frozen when it re-expands a bit becaue it behaves differently than most liquids and forms a crystal-like structure that makes it re-expand a bit.

Seriosuly though; the data does show temperatures have increased (last year’s precipitous decline not withstanding). It also shows there is a lot more pollution. I am all for doing thinks that cut down on pollutants. That has been a field that has been studied for a long time.
however, the global warming ‘science’ is less than 20 years old and for people like Al Gore to declare ‘the debate is over’ is as laughable as the theologians in the middle ages declariing that ‘the debate is over’ about a geo-centric universe, flat earth etc. which we all now know (after they studied it for longer than 20 years) was an erroneous view.
Should we continue to monitor it? Yes. Should we continue to perfect research techniques so the data is more reliable? Sure. Should we make broad, economy crippling decisions based on a science in its infancy? Uh, no.

MannyT-vA on March 20, 2008 at 9:22 AM

however, the global warming ’science’ is less than 20 years old and for people like Al Gore to declare ‘the debate is over’ is as laughable

Sorry for the double, but I also wanted to point out that ANY scientist will tell you that declaring any scientific pursuit as ‘over’ and ‘done’ isn’t science. Scientist CONSTANTLY test law and theories with all methods available to ensure they are correct (they still test gravity for Christ’s sake). Al Gore apparently doesn’t care about the scientific theory.

MannyT-vA on March 20, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Can you not see that this is just another example of the power of Bush/Cheney/Big Oil?? If they can control the Weather i.e. Katrina, then certainly they can control the temperature of the Oceans. I’m super serious.

saltydogg14 on March 20, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Phoenix is the most constant weather in the country. Easy to forecast, easy to predict, right??? When they can get the forecast right a week from today, than tell me what will happen 10, 20, 50, or 100 years from now. How arrogant we humans are. This planet has been around for what 5 plus billion years. To think we could effect the global temps, up or down is too silly to have anyone believe, right? RIGHT???

pueblo1032 on March 20, 2008 at 11:01 AM

In related news, Al Gore thinks that a differentiable function is continuous. The Republicans denounce calculus books.

freevillage on March 19, 2008 at 6:39 PM

freevillage, I have to say that acting as if someone is ducking an issue because they won’t come to Boston to deliver a lecture is downright silly. It’s a cheap rhetorical trick that’s beneath you intellectually.

The coy hints about your qualifications and pedigree are getting tedious, too. Out with it, ok? What are your degrees, and where from? If you’re going to be a credentialist ass insinuating appeals to authority, you might as well go whole-hog.

DrSteve on March 20, 2008 at 12:08 PM

“[W]hat this does is highlight some of the issues and send people back to the drawing board.”

GEE, YA THINK?? ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX A SCAM AND A CON AND AL GORE IS THE LEAD FLIMFLAM, CONMAN.

jimbo2008 on March 20, 2008 at 1:57 PM