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I’ve thought from the very beginning that the move to outlaw Edison’s great invention, the incandescent light bulb, was basically foolhardy and possibly just a ploy to force consumers to buy $7 lightbulbs that (in my experience, at least) don’t……

Want to know if these bulbs are dangerous? Take the ultimate test– TRY TO TAKE ONE ON AN AIRPLANE.

Bicyea on March 21, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Heeheheehee!!

if i could save $50 a month by switching to cfl then it whould mean i could operate:

air conditioner
refridgarator
televisions
dish washer
clothes washer
computer and printer
stereo
clothes dryer even though its gas it still uses electricty
furnuce though gas still uses electricty
phones
vaccumm cleaner
garage opener
my wood working shop(hobby)
weed eater blower trimmer
sump pump
and others i have not listed

for 14.79 a month. I DO NOT THINK SO.

i truly do not know af any one spend $50 a month on lighting.

if you do please post.

Exhibit 1: compact fluorescent light bulbs….

Trying to dispose of them in the regulated manner is tooooooo costly that their value as an energy saver is well below the economic realities to make the claim they are cheaper over the long term.

Let me think. Before electric light there was gas/coal fired fixtures. Let’s take a step back and use gas/coal fired fixtures or candles to light up our lives.

No can do. That would increase our carbon foot print and it takes up oxygen to stay lit and we need to breath to stay alive.

Another foolish factor that has not been considered, is the fact that when we exhale (and we must or die) we are emitting Carbon Dioxide (green house gas and necessary for the plants to absorb in their process of emitting oxygen that we must inhale).

Life is a vicious circle of choices. But, I sense we can make the right choice on our own, and do not need the help of environmentalists that do not understand physics to tell us how to survive in the world today.

Wearyman’s use of Cape Cod refers to a type of house. The place Cape Cod is in Massachusetts

I wondered, but honestly I have no clue. Either about North-East USA geography or about home buying/styles. I rent, and I’ve never been closer to NY than Chicago.

And the extra research did show that apparently I live in a below average cost area… My electric bill January (I don’t save them, but that one missed the trash) was $39.58 for electricity (2 bedroom condo, total 450 KWh for 33 days). I know I can’t save $50/month.

And switching over for $5/month? Hell, when I first looked into it, each bulb was around $5.

Sorry, I didn’t realize the extent of the cost of living sticker shock when I wrote that first post. Remind me not to move to New York without getting paid a hell of a lot more.

gekkobear on March 20, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Wearyman’s use of Cape Cod refers to a type of house. The place Cape Cod is in Massachusetts

If you are wondering how I noticed, I have a large filing system where I file all my paid bills and other important paperwork. It was easy as pie to go back a year or two and check and compare on a month-to-month basis.

I’m not saying your wrong, and the NE seaboard has a much higher KWh than the rest of the country. Looking over a 2003 chart (again, what I could find) at “http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html” NY looks awful.

I live in Colorado, used to Live in Kansas (8.14 and 7.71 cents/KWh, looks to be median numbers for that year). The Chart shows NY as 14.31 for the state. Beyond that, Cape Cod may very well be pricier than most of NY (so above average there), and I was in a lower cost area of Kansas I think…

I’d be curious to know what your KWh usage is (if that’s on the bills) but no biggie. Your location helps explain the discrepancies.

Where I live, I’ve lived by myself in apartments where my electric bill didn’t hit $50, and I had 3 roommates once in Kansas in a 4 bedroom duplex and I don’t think we ever cleared $150 for the electric bill (but expenses in Lawrence Kansas don’t exactly relate 1:1 to Cape Cod). :) And I think Lawrence is off Wolf Creek Power Plant from KCP&L, which is one of the few Nuclear plants running, so that could affect the cost too.

So a $50 savings (when mine now is $60-80, live alone, 2 bedroom condo) sounded iffy. But when you’re paying double or more for electricity, that changes things (both the usage calculation, and the savings).

I’d be curious to know what you pay per KWh today (which may be on your current bill). That would help give an idea of how that $50 savings would correlate elsewhere.

Again, though, no pressure. Knowing you’re in one of the worst areas for electric costs (California and NY seem to fight for the top of that list) answers the questions I had about your statement.

I’ll try to remember there are places where the simple cost of living is more than twice what I’ve known, and therefore people stating savings aren’t talking in “my dollars”… and I’ll avoid moving to Hawaii.

But yes, as lighting is generally 1/6th of electric usage, your bill must be staggering (to those of us in cheap electricity land).

Oh, HA, March 18th news story quote “The average cost of electricity is higher on Cape Cod than it is in any state in the continental United States. ”

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080318/NEWS/803180325

So yeah, you’re in the worst of the worst.

And, looking for another story (from Dec. last year)… “Climate and customer ownership of Colorado Springs Utilities combine to rank the typical Springs residential energy bill as fifth-lowest in
the nation, according to a recent study of 300 cities.”.

Sorry, the simple comparison I did in my head here wasn’t really comparable, worse than any state VS one of the low 5 cities nationwide. Yeah, that’s not going to relate well.

CFLs are no bigger than a standard bulb, and there’s no way anybody’s diving through garbage looking for them. One million times “Oh, it’s just one bulb, it’s too big a bother to dispose of it properly” equals one million improperly-disposed-of fluorescent bulbs.