For conservatives sake Obamamania is gone. That was the real fear wasn’t it? That he would be swept into the nomination and he would catch fire among the general electorate and win a key swing states? That scenario is gone. My friends that IM about how they are scared for Obama’s safety, are praying for him, but aren’t groupies mind you just dissatified with Clinton, now have other things to talk about. New shoes, where should they vacation this summer? Etc. It seems people know he’s through.

Theworldisnotenough on March 18, 2008 at 3:57 PM

This is why it is time for crossovers to switch to Obama. Hillary’s supporters are twice as likely to not support the dem in the general if she loses, than his supporters.

Or books, more like, written from every conceivable angle.

There are some new polls out today. Some dealing with the general election, some dealing with national security. Admittedly, these don’t actually mean anything given how far out we are, but they are fun. That’s why we do this, isn’t i…

Also, regarding an Obama/Clinton dream ticket, if Obama is robbed of the nomination, his likely move is to sit this Presidential election cycle out. He is young, he can afford to wait, and his message of reshaping Washington politics would be damaged by tying himself to Clinton. If the nomination goes to Obama, I think that he would be loath to put an old establishment candidate like Clinton on his ticket. He has better potential VP candidates to choose from that align better with his central campaign theme and that have fewer overall negatives with the American electorate. For these reasons, I just don’t think that the dream ticket is a remote possibility.

This is why I also still question how these cd’s made it to the media? Who alerted the media? Did the media get the cd’s direct from the church??

And of course there’s Operation Chaos.

If she can’t surprise him in both states I say she’s done, done, done. Anyone disagree?

I think she is not done. Not based solely on primary results. It is a recipe of primary results and Wright fallout, and news coverage.

1. Will the newscycle carry Black pastors calling Wright a crackpot and not emblematic of the Black community? If so point for Hillary.

2. Do Jesse and Al continue to have the confidence to make threats? It better be Obama or else type rhetoric? If they shut up point for Hillary.

3. Does Obama lose Pennsylvania Ohio style? If so superdelegates know he does not stand a chance in the general. Point for Hillary.

4. Do more Wright comments hit the newscycle? If so point for Hillary.

I list all these points knowing that currently it comes down to: Is it better to nominate Hillary and lose the election and the Black vote, or nominate Obama and just lose the election? MAJOR point for Obama (but don’t say it is about race!) But if the 4 things I listed come to pass Democrats can more safely nominate Hillary.
That is what Obama’s speech was meant to derail. He can get the media except FOX off his back but can he remain the crossover/racial healer in PA? Will Rush continue to call for Republican crossover for Hillary? So many unknowns…

For conservatives sake Obamamania is gone. That was the real fear wasn’t it? That he would be swept into the nomination and he would catch fire among the general electorate and win a key swing states? That scenario is gone. My friends that IM about how they are scared for Obama’s safety, are praying for him, but aren’t groupies mind you just dissatified with Clinton, now have other things to talk about. New shoes, where should they vacation this summer? Etc. It seems people know he’s through.

Oh please. I think taking one use of the word Al Qaeda

Yet again, “He said several times that Iran, a predominately Shiite country, was supplying the mostly Sunni militant group, al-Qaeda.”

Take a breath. Your hatred of McCain is well noted.

Chuck Schick on March 18, 2008 at 3:48 PM

Take a breath. Your calling people whom you disagree with haters is well noted.

I know!

Let’s just agree that Obama doesn’t know much about tornados and Juan McCain doesn’t know much about Iran and Al Q.

Both cases seem very clear.

MB4 on March 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM

Oh please. I think taking one use of the word Al Qaeda instead of extremists when talking about terrorists and extrapolating it to total ignorance of a subject is a bit much.

Like saying Obama knows nothing about math because he got the number of dead off by a factor of 1000.

These people do nothing but talk for a year straight- they’re going to stumble.

Take a breath. Your hatred of McCain is well noted.

MB4 on March 18, 2008 at 3:37 PM

I’d have to respectfully disagree.

Anyway, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. There’s a few other things I have to get done and I want to leave this old thread behind.

It’s that WaPo asserts that the mistake threatens to wipe away his foreign policy experience.

amerpundit on March 18, 2008 at 3:34 PM

One more senile moment gaffe/mistake like that and it will.

Heh. You have nothing to worry about, dude. Never planned on it. :-)

amerpundit on March 18, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Well you could do worse, you nativist Gringo who is too lazy and innept to pick lettuce for even $50 an hour.

She can’t possibly win delegate wise, but Al Burack will have to win more supers than he has now, and who knows how many of Hillary’s supers are toed.

MB4 on March 18, 2008 at 3:32 PM

No. My issue isn’t really with what you said. It’s not even really of the criticism of his mistake. It’s that WaPo asserts that the mistake threatens to wipe away his foreign policy experience.

IIRC, wasn’t he trying to use it against Bush and Iraq, saying there wasn’t enough help because of the war? And that’s when he massively exaggerated the death toll?

amerpundit on March 18, 2008 at 3:28 PM

I don’t know. What are you trying to suggest, that McCain and Obama run on the same ticket? The Two Stooges ticket?

And no, I have never done that and if I ever do don’t support me for CIC, please don’t.

MB4 on March 18, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Heh. You have nothing to worry about, dude. Never planned on it. :-)

My guess: Abysmally. Funny how the little race-huckster Barry didn’t have a whole lot of time for the other people of color. And while it may be tough for Hillary to win without blacks, she does have the argument that she will pull in lots of women who usually don’t vote.

Blacks, on the other hand, typically do turn out in large numbers for the Dems. But Barry ain’t gonna win without Hispanics. And he’s not going to get them.

Hillary’s actually got a pretty strong case to make to the super-delegates. She’s carried all the big states; she can nab the Hispanic vote. She can offer the VP slot to Barry and if he turns it down then it’s his churlishness that’s standing in the way of “unity.”

More I think of it, yeah…I don’t think Barry even gets the nomination.

You’ve never repeated an incorrect word several times because you’re only half thinking about it at the moment?

amerpundit on March 18, 2008 at 3:25 PM

it wasn’t just an incorrect word, it was a whole damn statement and several times.

And no, I have never done that and if I ever do don’t support me for CIC, please don’t.

Let’s just agree that Obama doesn’t know much about tornados…

MB4 on March 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM

IIRC, wasn’t he trying to use it against Bush and Iraq, saying there wasn’t enough help because of the war? And that’s when he massively exaggerated the death toll?

So what was Obama’s excuse for saying 10,000 people died in a tornado when it was 8?

Chuck Schick on March 18, 2008 at 3:19 PM

I know!

Let’s just agree that Obama doesn’t know much about tornados and Juan McCain doesn’t know much about Iran and Al Q.

Both cases seem very clear.