Obama to deliver “major speech” on race tomorrow; Update: The Jeremiah Wright I know

posted at 2:30 pm on March 17, 2008 by Allahpundit

Think it’ll have anything to do with the forces of division starting to raise their ugly heads?

Barack Obama will give a major speech on “the larger issue of race in this campaign,” he told reporters in Monaca, PA just now.

He was pressed there, as he has been at recent appearances, on statements by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

“I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but the larger issue of race in this campaign,” he said.

He added that he would “talk about how some of these issues are perceived from within the black church issue for example,” he said.

Maybe “the government lied about Pearl Harbor” is all a big cultural misunderstanding? Expect lots of redemption rhetoric about the Messiah rising like a phoenix from the ashes of the black nationalist movement he patronized for 20 years and how it’s objectively anti-progress to hold that inconvenient fact against him. Exit question: It’s good news, at least, that the congregation apparently no longer regards “Middleclassness” as some sort of vestige of slavery, isn’t it?

Update: Sounds like he’s going back to the cherry-picking defense, which, as others have pointed out, works for absolutely no one except Obama. Lott didn’t get a pass for it when he rued the day a segregationist like Strom Thurmond lost the presidential election; Michael Richards didn’t get a pass for it when he had a meltdown at that comedy club. The Messiah and his disciples are held to a different standard, thankfully.


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Tom Shipley:

Wright is not just Obama’s spiritual advisor. I’ve read that Obama never made/makes a major policy decision without first consulting with Wright. I’ll try to dig up the link.

If this is the case, do still not find anything amiss here?

Badger91 on March 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

What Obama does is attend a church for 20 years in which he is preached a message of separation, race hatred and America hatred.

ihasurnominashun on March 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Tom’s just tryin to tell you to chill, it’s not so bad. He’s got chutzpah. (Is that ok in trinity?)

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM

He talks about executing gays for the betterment of society
SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM

First of all Tim Lahaye never said any such thing..what you are saying is pure 100% slander. Typical liberal slander.

And just so you know…all protestant churches disagree with the catholic church and consider them to not be the true church…if you knew ANYTHING about what you are talking about this would not be a shocker to you.

SaintOlaf on March 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

First of all Tim Lahaye never said any such thing..what you are saying is pure 100% slander. Typical liberal slander.

And just so you know…all protestant churches disagree with the catholic church and consider them to not be the true church…if you knew ANYTHING about what you are talking about this would not be a shocker to you.

SaintOlaf on March 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Are you calling me a liberal? Now THAT is slander.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM

No you saying that Tim Lahaye said “gays should be executed for the betterment of society” is slander. He never said anything like that.

So yes you coming up with 100% made up slanders against a Minister is bottom of the barrel liberal slander so therefore you are a liberal.

SaintOlaf on March 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Are you calling me a liberal? Now THAT is slander.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM

You seem to find McCain a worse choice than Obama. What more are you trying to say?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM

I can’t wait to hear how the US of KKKA has permitted a black man to actualy vie for the Presidency.

drjohn on March 17, 2008 at 3:08 PM

“It’s a ‘white thing,’ you wouldn’t understand.”

“Have you heard all of Wright’s sermons? ”

How many does one need to hear? I went to a Lutheran church for a while, with a pastor who went to considerable trouble to resemble a throwback to the Hippie Heaven of ’67. The last sermon of his I listened to was when he engaged the whole congregation in a, “repeat after me” snark against Republicans from Thomas Dewey to Ronald Reagan.

After that, I decided that this particular church wasn’t the one I was looking for, and found another.

Obama could’ve found another church, too, as soon as he heard (likely) or heard about (less likely) Wright’s hateful views in the pulpit. But no. He stayed right on.

You really can judge a man by the company he keeps. And Obama has kept Wright’s company for a long, long time.

Spurius Ligustinus on March 17, 2008 at 5:43 PM

“It’s a ‘white thing,’ you wouldn’t understand.”

Now that’s funny :)

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Scrabble or Boggle.

L-O-T-L-R

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Soul Train Scramble Board

ihasurnominashun on March 17, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Can he get the toothpaste back into the tube?

Dpet on March 17, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Are you calling me a liberal? Now THAT is slander.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:37 PM
You seem to find McCain a worse choice than Obama. What more are you trying to say?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM

heh

funky chicken on March 17, 2008 at 5:55 PM

In other words, it’s White America’s fault that “Rev” Wright was caught saying this, and it’s also god dam White America’s fault he had to say it to start with.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Wright is not just Obama’s spiritual advisor. I’ve read that Obama never made/makes a major policy decision without first consulting with Wright. I’ll try to dig up the link.

Try this video pay attention close to the end. Rev WRight states that Barry came to him to talk about running fo President and Wright asked “Did you talk to Michelle yet. And he replied Yes I had that talk”

So Wright was the SECOND person that Barry talked to about running for President ?

http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=29888@wbbm.dayport.com

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 6:03 PM

The reality is, Jeremiah Wright shaped Obama’s religious philosophy. By Obama’s own statements we know his religious philosophy drives his political philosophy. What else is there to know?

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/03/did-he-or-didnt.html

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM

In other words, it’s White America’s fault that “Rev” Wright was caught saying this, and it’s also god dam White America’s fault he had to say it to start with.

Hope all the video cameras nationwide are on and working. I worry we might see a repeat of those noose incidents, especially at some of our most elite universities. I think the police ought to provide extra surveillance and videotape black churches at night too.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Shipley is the guy who sleeps in class, never does his homework, and then pesters everyone else during the final exam for the answers.

If you did ANY of your own research, even just sitting on your behind and watching TV this weekend, you’d have your examples.

Shipley either has the answers and is just stirring up some manure, or is just literally too lazy to read the links or do a few minutes research on Google.

So, either buck up or fail the final, Tom.

Merovign on March 17, 2008 at 6:10 PM

Is it true the The Oprah quit this same church many years ago? I thought I heard that on Rush earlier today, but was at the Wendy’s drive-thru…lol.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Is it true the The Oprah quit this same church many years ago? I thought I heard that on Rush earlier today, but was at the Wendy’s drive-thru…lol.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM

She stopped going there about a decade ago. She never completed their enlistment training so technically she was never really part of the congregation.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 6:17 PM

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM

That’s what Rush said. But why go out on a limb to support Obama if she knew he continued on at Trinity and that this would blow up in both their faces?

Arrogance. (just in case you didn’t know the answer)

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Is it true the The Oprah quit this same church many years ago? I thought I heard that on Rush earlier today, but was at the Wendy’s drive-thru…lol.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM

Oprah quit going through Wendy’s drive through ?

No wonder the economy is down

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM

You seem to find McCain a worse choice than Obama. What more are you trying to say?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Pointing out that they’re both involved with shady religious characters means I find McCain a worse choice? Interesting logic you’ve got going there. I think religion should stay out of politics period, whether it’s Wright, LaHaye, Robertson, or whoever.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 6:23 PM

No you saying that Tim Lahaye said “gays should be executed for the betterment of society” is slander. He never said anything like that.

So yes you coming up with 100% made up slanders against a Minister is bottom of the barrel liberal slander so therefore you are a liberal.

SaintOlaf on March 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Do some research on Theocratic Dominionism.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Oprah quit going through Wendy’s drive through ?

No wonder the economy is down

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 6:21 PM

I didn’t word that very well, did I? I was at the Wendy’s speaker when that part came on.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM

In addition to the examples of Lott and Michael Richards, recall the Alito confirmation hearings, where Ted Kennedy took guilt by association to absurd lengths, trying to hold Alito responsible for something that was written 11 years after he graduated from Princeton. (Also note that the article was a work of satire, albeit poorly executed):

CAP was formed in 1972 — the year Alito graduated from Princeton — by alumni who rejected the college’s decision to admit women. The group dissolved by 1986.
Alito says he has “wracked his memory” over why he would list the group on his 1985 application for the role of Deputy Assistant Attorney General.
“The issue that had rankled me about Princeton for some time was the issue of ROTC. I was in ROTC when I was at Princeton, and the unit was expelled from the campus, and I thought that was very wrong,” Alito said.
Sen. Kennedy’s aides held up a poster from which the senator read aloud the opening paragraph of a 1983 editorial in CAP’s “Prospect” magazine…

Buy Danish on March 17, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Merovign on March 17, 2008 at 6:10 PM

I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s an insidious form of debating, [As you wonderful folks here don't know my life, don't judge by the examples:] sometimes used by Holocaust deniers. “Did you listen to all of Hitler’s speeches?””Have you been to Dachau?” and so on and so forth. It all sounds so “fair,” so “reasonable” and “logical.” But the underlying intent is all but that.

When I see a coffee cup glazed green, I call it a green cup. When I see a church with 1) a pastor spewing anti-American and racist filth and 2) church-goers (like Obama) who time and time return for sermons not to mention those who stand up and applaud the trash…I call the church racist and anti-American.

Strange that some folks so easily fall into this trick/trap and allow themselves to get sidetracked. Oh well, I guess ya gotta have a few years under your belt….

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Don’t we have any pics of Messiah looking pained, like psychotic Pelosi, raving mad Hillary and grim reaper Reid?

Pax americana on March 17, 2008 at 6:31 PM

This is just delicious!

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/damn_chickens.html

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 6:40 PM

To be a member of the church you must agree with and promote the following:

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

and wnat for Sen. Obama to answer is if he agrees with this.

Can you image if you changed “black” to “white” on that list and imagine the outrage?

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness”
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

Nope, no racism going on at this church.

JeffinSac on March 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Apparently, the Obama camp feels this is a huge issue. Otherwise, why the big speech? Their internal numbers must be diving. THIS.WON’T.HELP.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM

What would happen if a white Senator from TX had been a member of David Koresh’s “church”?

How’d that go over with the liberal douchebags in the media…

benrand on March 17, 2008 at 6:48 PM

So. Let’s see. Who do you think is sitting in on the speech-writing committee?

Wright.
The new white pastor/advisor.
Someone from CAIR.
Mo’bama.

Who else?

Connie on March 17, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Aren’t many of the folks in Iowa (yeah, the WHITE FOLKS) feeling a bit betrayed screwed by Mr. Healer right about now?

They bought his schtick hook, line & sinker!

omnipotent on March 17, 2008 at 6:52 PM

JeffinSac on March 17, 2008 at 6:44 PM

Dude, don’t be ridiculous, white people weren’t slaves in the USA, black people were!!!

/moonbat rationale

omnipotent on March 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM

Our media is useless. Obama is a 20 year member of a church that teaches Africa is the “mother” country. And the preacher G-d D–s Amerikka.

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM

What exactly is the black value system?

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Our media is useless. Obama is a 20 year member of a church that teaches Africa is the “mother” country. And the preacher G-d D–s Amerikka.

To expand on my own thought, since I doubt anyone can actually read my mind, the question they should be asking, instead of whether he attended a particular service or not, is how does he reconcile the teachings of the church with commitment to the US. The reason we have in our constitution that you have to be a natural citizen of the US is to remove the divided loyalties you might naturally feel if you were a naturalized citizen. If you are practicing a religion that teaches another country is your “mother” country, how do you reconcile that?

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Pointing out that they’re both involved with shady religious characters means I find McCain a worse choice? Interesting logic you’ve got going there. I think religion should stay out of politics period, whether it’s Wright, LaHaye, Robertson, or whoever.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Dude, you have 3 choices, soon 2. We all know they all suck. You still gotta pick one. What’s your point?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:07 PM

“If you are practicing a religion that teaches another country is your “mother” country, how do you reconcile that?”
Sue on March 17, 2008 at 7:04 PM

Excellent point. Sadly, the answer is that he tries to play both sides – be the issue patriotism or racism. That’s the whole tragedy in his cynical “unifier” claim.

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Dude, you have 3 choices, soon 2. We all know they all suck. You still gotta pick one. What’s your point?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:07 PM

I was responding to your assumption that because I pointed out McCain’s shady religious associations, I was supporting Obama, which is not true.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 7:15 PM

What exactly is the black value system?

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

Click on the link and they explain it to you. As an example here is what they feel is a Commitment to God:

Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

again lets change this to “White” and see how it would read:

Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become White Christian Activists, soldiers for White freedom and the dignity of all humankind.

I hope you read it all and especially the “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness” section.

JeffinSac on March 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM

What exactly is the black value system?

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 6:58 PM

You’re (probably) a racist for not knowing.

SouthernGent on March 17, 2008 at 7:17 PM

You’re (probably) a racist for not knowing.

Probably. But I’m off to get unracised, or something, thanks to JeffinSac.

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 7:19 PM

More evidence that Wright’s comments are part of the fabric of that particular church.

One of the church’s new pastor, Otis Moss III, talking about gangster rap and crack cocaine.

Otis Moss, talking about an his historical review of hip-hop:

“But then something happened in 1984 at the same time that Time Warner/AOL and SONY and MCA realized they could make money off of this music, guess what, we will give you a contract and distribute your song if you put in the N-word, if you put in the H-word, if you put in the B-word…so when we talk about gangsta rap, we are not talking about something that came from the street, we are talking about what came from the corporate boardrooms…

“And the same time that gangsta rap rises, we also have crack hitting the streets…I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it’s mightily strange that gangsta rap and crack hit the same time in our community.”

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 7:19 PM

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Yeah but there are a million crappy things to say about McCain. You still have to vote for him, or not vote. I just dont’ see the point of saying he sucks anymore. We know.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:20 PM

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 7:19 PM

somewhat irrelevant unless Barry knows him. Do you know where Moss came from and if he has any relationship with Obama?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:21 PM

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:21 PM

There is one link that doesn’t even require fact checking. Obama is still a member of that church and Moss is the new pastor. I guess that makes him Obama’s new pastor. How the relationship develops from that we’ll have to wait and see. I’m also sure that any past relationship will be scrutinized closely in the near future.

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Here’s a link to many audio sermons of Moss, in case they become relevant to the story.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:35 PM

somewhat irrelevant unless Barry knows him. Do you know where Moss came from and if he has any relationship with Obama? JiangxiDad

No it is not. The defense of Wright/Obama hinges on the tortured logic that Wright’s comments were either taken out of context or were somehow an aberration. In fact it is demonstrable that there is a pattern and practice of extremist views being espoused from the church leadership that are at odds with the public opinion. How is this not relevent.

Moss: “When we begin to examine the fact that 70 percent of all hip-hop is purchased by suburban youth, and the reason that they don’t mind the N-word, the B-word and the H-word is because it leads into the particular stereotype that the world has already created…

“What we are talking about are people in corporate boardrooms who are making money off of this music, making money off of this pain and not giving a dime to our community…”

“But then something happened in 1984 at the same time that Time Warner/AOL and SONY and MCA realized they could make money off of this music, guess what, we will give you a contract and distribute your song if you put in the N-word, if you put in the H-word, if you put in the B-word…so when we talk about gangsta rap, we are not talking about something that came from the street, we are talking about what came from the corporate boardrooms…

“And the same time that gangsta rap rises, we also have crack hitting the streets…I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it’s mightily strange that gangsta rap and crack hit the same time in our community.”

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 7:35 PM

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:21 PM

One thing to note: Moss is to be seen in (at least) one of the videos, patting Rev. Wright on the back enthusiastically after making his filthy remarks.

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM

It is curious that both Wright’s and Moss’ videos are being removed en masse from youtube.

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Moss has a beautiful new one up on youtube now where he introduces the video viewer to his church. He looks,and sounds like a completely clean-cut kid from a private school in the Northeast.

On his audio tapes, not so much. Sounds like he’s from Mississippi. Weird.

Still, unless he’s Barry’s bud, don’t see how Moss’ liberation theology brand of black racism can tar Obama much.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Excellent point. Sadly, the answer is that he tries to play both sides – be the issue patriotism or racism. That’s the whole tragedy in his cynical “unifier” claim.

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 7:11 PM

Caught this today someplace:

The Post Turtle

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.

The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Obama is a ‘post turtle’.”

Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.”

The old man saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain.

“You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just want to help the dumb a$$ get down.”

Connie on March 17, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Connie,

::grin::

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 7:53 PM

This clears the way for Hillary to cut a deal with John Edwards.

She will blow out PA and NC, thereby clearing her way to the nomination.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Probably. But I’m off to get unracised, or something, thanks to JeffinSac.

Quonterious Jameeka Shameka.

There, I’ve said the magic words so you are now cured.

peacenprosperity on March 17, 2008 at 7:56 PM

THIS is awesome!

Ex-tex on March 17, 2008 at 7:59 PM

“What we ae doing is the same thing Al Qaeda is doing, just under a different flag”

Rev Wright

WOW

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 8:01 PM

we are doing

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Ex-tex on March 17, 2008 at 7:59 PM

wow. quite an ad. but who would use it? hillary can’t. mcCain won’t.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM

I heard Barry on FOX (I think) answering reporters who had questions about his pastor; he basically deferred any answers until tomorrow when he would provide ” a more fulsome speech”. What a poor time to use such an anbiguous word as ‘fulsome’. I was tought that it generally had a negative connotation, e.g. from Webster: aesthetically, morally, or generally offensive .

Over30 on March 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM

You know, if Obama asks for Clinton’s tax records, she will have to ask for all of Wright’s sermon videos. Fair is fair.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Can you image if you changed “black” to “white” on that list and imagine the outrage?

That statement, with either “white” or “black” used is not racist. Yes, if you use “white” is seems racist because this country has a long history of white-only organizations that promote whites as a superior race and use violence against blacks.

Obama’s church is not exclusive to blacks. It does not promote blacks as being a superior race and does not use violence against other races. from what I read, liberation theology was formed because black people didn’t think the Anglican church spoke to them. So they formed their own church that speaks to black values and mores. There are Italian-American churches that promote Italian culture.

In short, substituting the word “white” does make it seem racist because whites have a long history of racism in this country.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Ex-tex on March 17, 2008 at 7:59 PM

LOL, I knew it wouldn’t take long. Any bets on how long it’ll be up on youtube?

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Tom,

Are you saying you support the following:
1. GD America
2. US of KKKA
3. The chickens have come home to roost – via 9//1

This will help the “whites” among us greatly.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 8:13 PM

There are Italian-American churches that promote Italian culture.

Yes, but do they promote Italy as the “mother” country? It isn’t the culture, it is the promotion of hatred. If you can’t see that, you must be a liberal.

Sue on March 17, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Yes, but do they promote Italy as the “mother” country?

I don’t know. Never been to a service at an Italian American church. But if they did, I don’t see the hatred in that statement.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Tom,
You are a cult member. That’s why you are blinded.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Obama’s supporters continue to seal his fate. O’Reilly just had 2 Black Revs on who basic defense was nothing Wirght said was wrong and if you think it was, it’s because you took it out of context to play a political game. And, that whole HIV thing, one believed it was possible (friggin guy had a PhD!) and the other didn’t, but plenty do, so it’s ok to say it from the pulpit.

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Tom,
The perpetual grievance mindset you present to us is nothing new. It’s part of liberalthink. You were taught this, but aren’t yourself a victim, except vicariously. That you can feel others’ pain makes you superior.

Perhaps the best response to you is that very few people buy this crap anymore or give a damn. That’s what happens when you cry wolf one time too often.

Go back to socio 101, or the AA experience 101 and try this crap with someone else under 21.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:20 PM

Tom, welcome back. I was afraid the black helicopters came and got you. Do you care to answer my questions now? As a reminder, they were:

1) Do you think Wright claiming white people created HIV to kill black people is racist?
2) Do you think there is anything wrong with anything Wright has said?

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Wright in “Dreams of My Father” [Rich Lowry]
Before he ever thought he would have to deploy Clintonesque spin to try to get himself out of a campaign controversy, Barack Obama wrote (an achingly good) memoir. In the book, Obama makes it clear that Wright when he first got to know him was pretty much the same Wright we’re getting to know now (the one that Obama is at pains to say is on the verge of retirement). Wright was striking some of the same notes, saying racially venomous things and attacking the bombing of Hiroshima. Note this passage about the first sermon Obama heard from Wright, the source ultimately of the title of Obama’s second book and one of the central themes of his presidential campaign:

The title of Reverend Wright’s sermon that morning was “The Audacity of Hope.” He began with a passage from the Book of Samuel—the story of Hannah, who, barren and taunted by her rivals, had wept and shaken in prayer before her God. The story reminded him, he said, of a sermon a fellow pastor had preached at a conference some years before, in which the pastor described going to a museum and being confronted by a painting title Hope.

“It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!”

And so it went, a meditation on a fallen world. While the boys next to me doodled on their church bulletin, Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House. As the sermon unfolded, though, the stories of strife became more prosaic, the pain more immediate. The reverend spoke of the hardship that the congregation would face tomorrow, the pain of those far from the mountaintop, worrying about paying the light bill…
03/14 05:33 PM

No racial hatred there, eh Tom? That’s in Obama’s first book. Really, no need to look much further.

funky chicken on March 17, 2008 at 8:27 PM

PS – according to O’Reilly, they got Wright out of the country. They think he’s in Africa….

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Sharpsville:

Don’t forget the Sharpsville Massacre and reparations

by Dr. Conrad W. Worrill
-Guest Columnist-

As we build towards the Millions for Reparations Rally on August 17, 2002 in Washington, D.C., we should not forget the atrocities that have occurred against African people. One such major atrocity in our history is the Sharpsville Massacre.

One of the tragedies of post- apartheid South Africa is that too much is being forgotten of the numerous atrocities that occurred during the vicious era of the White supremacist regime. African people should never forget history! It is in this connection that the National Black United Front always commemorates the March 21, 1960 Sharpsville Massacre.

African Liberation Movement forces, around the world, commemorate the Sharpsville Massacre. This will be the 41st anniversary of this tragic event in South African history.

It is important that we continue to analyze and discuss historical events that help us understand the role of history in the liberation of African people. African people must never forget history! Remember the Sharpsville Massacre! Get involved in organizing for the Millions For Reparations Rally on August 17, 2002 in Washington, D.C.!

(Dr. Worrill is the National Chairman of the National Black United Front\NBUF located at 12817 S. Ashland Ave., Fl. 1, Calumet Park, Ill. 60827, 708-389-9929, Fax 708-389-9819), e-mail: nbufchi@allways.net, Web page: nbufront.org)

funky chicken on March 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM

I’m thinking the special brand of black preaching is much, much more widespread.

So that means more blacks are insane racists with insane beliefs.

That’s not good. I mean, even though I’m cherry-picking…

Jeesh.

benrand on March 17, 2008 at 8:35 PM

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Just watched that too. Again O’Reilly has man in the street interviews with church members followed by two supporting preachers with no counter point. Somehow for all his protestations I don’t think O’Reilly wants BO to win. Juan Williams and Kinky Freidman coming on now.

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 8:39 PM

“Do you think Wright claiming white people created HIV to kill black people is racist?”

No, i think it’s an ignorant conspiracy theory.

“Do you think there is anything wrong with anything Wright has said?”

Sure I do. So does Obama.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Sure I do. So does Obama.
Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:41 PM

And yet he’s remained silent for 20 years. Odd.

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 8:42 PM

The perpetual grievance mindset you present to us is nothing new. It’s part of liberalthink. You were taught this, but aren’t yourself a victim, except vicariously. That you can feel others’ pain makes you superior.

Now’s the time in the debate where the substance of what I’ve said is ignored and people start telling me what I’m about.

Always a fun time.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM

The Jeremiah Wright I know

Does it matter anymore. He’s a racist.
You’ve been going to his church for 20 years.
You wrote a book that included his sermons.
You and your wife were married by this person.
He baptized your children.
You recorded and listened to his sermons.
The congregation applauded his racist rants.
You wife emulates his preaching.
You haven’t condemned his views.
You still haven’t condemned his views.
You’ve made excuses for his views.
You are still with his church.

Does it matter anymore?

Kini on March 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Does it matter anymore?

Kini on March 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Tom has explained it, for all of our benefits:

If you do it, it’s inexcusable because of historical white racism in the US.

If black do it, it’s ok, because their racism is more recent.

I think that should just about work for all race-related issues.

Does it work for ASians and others Tom?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Kini on March 17, 2008 at 8:44 PM

It looks so much worse when you compile it like that. Stop it! how dare you put it in perspective. Next thing you’ll be quoting him accurately.

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Now’s the time in the debate where the substance of what I’ve said is ignored and people start telling me what I’m about.

Always a fun time.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM

Does this happen to you so often, that you recognize the moment? Where have you been having this experience before?

Your points weren’t ignored, they were shat back out.

Tom, you aren’t persuasive. Can you name someone you’ve converted here?

What’s your purpose here?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:53 PM

And yet he’s remained silent for 20 years. Odd.

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Maybe it’s an AA thing. you wouldn’t understand.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I stand by exactly what I said in that post, JiangxiDad. Maybe respond directly to it, to its substance instead of twisting my words in a response to someone else. Rather cowardly of you.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

Does this happen to you so often, that you recognize the moment? Where have you been having this experience before?

Yes. Here and at CQ.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Your points weren’t ignored, they were shat back out.

Where? You response to the post about the Church’s mission statement was to inform me what type of person i am. The substance of what I said was ignored.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:56 PM

350,000 white men made the ultimate sacrifice in the Civil War to bring blacks out of slavery.

No other nation made a bigger sacrifice in that cause. Can we give up the white racism stuff?

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 8:57 PM

I stand by exactly what I said in that post, JiangxiDad. Maybe respond directly to it, to its substance instead of twisting my words in a response to someone else. Rather cowardly of you.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

Tom, it’s devoid of substance. That’s what so many people here are trying to tell you. You can string together nouns and adjectives and verbs but still leave no affect. That is how your thinking works. You regurgitate the oldest and most common liberal pablum, and expect it to work in 2008.

Yes we know. White bad, minority good. Thank Tom for that eye-opener. We’ll all vote for Obama now that you’ve cleared-up the misunderstanding.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:59 PM

Maybe it’s an AA thing. you wouldn’t understand.
JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

LOL! Oh, I’m pretty sure I understand.

Oldnuke on March 17, 2008 at 9:00 PM

There was one more question, Tom:

What’s your purpose here?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Tom, it’s devoid of substance.

Again, taking the coward’s way out. If it’s void of substance, you should have not problem taking about that post. Quite honestly, I’d like to see you try.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM

That should read… “taking APART that post.”

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 9:02 PM

What’s your purpose here?

I like to debate politics. You?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Maybe he has the same four earned degrees that Rev. Dr. Wright has.

benrand on March 17, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Again, taking the coward’s way out. If it’s void of substance, you should have not problem taking about that post. Quite honestly, I’d like to see you try.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Tom, did you forget the links Baldi provided you earlier? Have you watched any of the Wright videos.

Baldi said you needed eyes to see. You didn’t understand that. You don’t understand the diff. btwn Wright’s church and a catholic church made up of mainly Italians. And you want people to take you seriously for your intellect?

Baldi said she wouldn’t play with you. She is smarter than me.

My purpose here is to discuss how to ensure that the best qualified Republican is elected, and that the democrat candidates and liberalism are destroyed.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Does this happen to you so often, that you recognize the moment? Where have you been having this experience before?

Your points weren’t ignored, they were shat back out.

Tom, you aren’t persuasive. Can you name someone you’ve converted here?

What’s your purpose here?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 8:53 PM

To act the fool.

Jaibones on March 17, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Mitt Romney already gave the religion speech. It flopped.

It sure would be nice if news orgs would replay the most controversial footage right before he gives his speech, though. To put it in context. After all, if Obama is going to talk about cherry picking, then context is everything. And if he’s going to explain the remarks, then the viewers deserve to see them first.

daryl_herbert on March 17, 2008 at 9:10 PM

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