Obama to deliver “major speech” on race tomorrow; Update: The Jeremiah Wright I know

posted at 2:30 pm on March 17, 2008 by Allahpundit

Think it’ll have anything to do with the forces of division starting to raise their ugly heads?

Barack Obama will give a major speech on “the larger issue of race in this campaign,” he told reporters in Monaca, PA just now.

He was pressed there, as he has been at recent appearances, on statements by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

“I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but the larger issue of race in this campaign,” he said.

He added that he would “talk about how some of these issues are perceived from within the black church issue for example,” he said.

Maybe “the government lied about Pearl Harbor” is all a big cultural misunderstanding? Expect lots of redemption rhetoric about the Messiah rising like a phoenix from the ashes of the black nationalist movement he patronized for 20 years and how it’s objectively anti-progress to hold that inconvenient fact against him. Exit question: It’s good news, at least, that the congregation apparently no longer regards “Middleclassness” as some sort of vestige of slavery, isn’t it?

Update: Sounds like he’s going back to the cherry-picking defense, which, as others have pointed out, works for absolutely no one except Obama. Lott didn’t get a pass for it when he rued the day a segregationist like Strom Thurmond lost the presidential election; Michael Richards didn’t get a pass for it when he had a meltdown at that comedy club. The Messiah and his disciples are held to a different standard, thankfully.


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Hopefully, the Oba-Messiah WILL be held to the same standard as Trent Lott with his misguided praise of Strom Thurmond.

Obama got a lot of votes in the primaries from upper-class, supposedly highly-educated white liberal voters, who might resent what Wright said about them, and want to take their votes back, now that they’ve been “educated” about Obama! As Juan Williams said on Fox, this isn’t only a black issue anymore, because white people are paying attention.

If Obama really didn’t know what Wright was saying, why did Obama give him $22K in 2006, when Obama was already a Senator? Wouldn’t one of his Senate staffers whisper to him that Wright’s sermons don’t play well in Peoria? Does Obama always throw money at people whose views he doesn’t know? As President, would he throw our tax money at people with similar views in foreign countries? Maybe after he invaded Pakistan?

I would guess that Dem super-delegates are cringing right now, wondering whether they should watch Obama crash and burn in the general election, or throw the nomination to Hillary, whose baggage is well-known but acceptable to about half of American voters…

Steve Z on March 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Some WHITES agre with Wrights comments

http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=43066@wbbm.dayport.com

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM

They’re called “truthers.”

They’re idiots.

This guy Wright reminds me a lot of Hitler. He created an enemy too. If anyone like Falwell or Robertson or anyone that McCain called his “inspiration” made similarly bigoted coments like this McCain would have been hounded into oblivion long ago.

drjohn on March 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM

See any white folk there? Everything is the fault of “white America” says the good Reverend Wright.

Would you expect any white person to be comfortable at such a place being constantly visited with guilt? Who wants to represent the “US of KKKa”?

drjohn on March 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Some white people in that “Church”, in one of the rants the racist talks about a couple of the white people sitting in the pews.

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM

So, Obama is going to come out and read someone else’s speech off the teleprompter about how we are wrong about our feelings about the actual words Wright says, then we need to say “Aww Barack we love you man…here’s my vote”…and if you don’t…after the Obamessiah has deigned to explain it to you…then YOU are racist!

Obama is going to HOPE we CHANGE our minds

ihasurnominashun on March 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Some WHITES agre with Wrights comments

http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=43066@wbbm.dayport.com

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM

There is a racial divide in this country still and pastors like Rev Wright help to keep it that way. That is why Obama being a member of that church is so hypocritical.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Well the obamatrons are really getting upset over this stuff. They are borderline ready to go nuclear. Im sure they will be waiting with batied breaths for tomorrows speach which will of corse exhonerate obama

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM

The Spengler article linked in the headlines explained this situation accurately, I think. Obama dosen’t believe in black nationalism any more than he believes in bipartisan outreach. TUCC and Wright were simply tools for him to get elected as Illinois State Senator.

Trouble is, he can’t so easily discard that association as he runs for POTUS.

The_Freeze on March 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM

The twin issues of Wright and Rezko have sunk his ship (at least it is listing heavily to port).

Toward that end:

http://www.rezkorama.com/

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM

I wonder how Oprah feels now. haha

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I think Obama realizes that he cant disassociate himself with wright because he is too close so the only thing he can do is defend wright and argue that “That was then this is now” type of tact.

In other words “Yeah Im close to Wright but I have evolved into a higher being without that baggage”

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Someone earlier mentioned Spengler’s take on the Obama/Wright issue. I think he puts his finger on the matter. Great article. Here’s snip with the full article by following the link.

SPENGLER
The peculiar theology of black liberation
By Spengler

Senator Barack Obama is not a Muslim, contrary to invidious rumors. But he belongs to a Christian church whose doctrine casts Jesus Christ as a “black messiah” and blacks as “the chosen people”. At best, this is a radically different kind of Christianity than most Americans acknowledge; at worst it is an ethnocentric heresy.

What played out last week on America’s television screens was a clash of two irreconcilable cultures, the posture of “black liberation theology” and the mainstream American understanding of Christianity. Obama, who presented himself as a unifying figure, now seems rather the living embodiment of the clash.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JC18Aa01.html

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Romney’s speech actually uplifted our nation and added significantly to our national discourse. It was as uniting a speech as I’ve ever heard. (‘cept for ignoring those without faith)

Obama has never offered more than platitudes, he plans to educate us on the perspective of blacks at Trinity. He plans to defend himself, not religion, not difference of belief, himself, justifying the hate he wallowed in, and we are to accept it.

His speech is already divisive, and hopefully will expose the emptiness of his everyday discourse as disingenuous self-serving non-nutritious artificial manna.

Rant out/

Maquis on March 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Imagine, Obama is President and receives visitors in the White House:

Rev. Wright visits.
Farakkkhan visits.
DinnerJacket visits.
CastroII visits.

Hope and change.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Castro II

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Update: Sounds like he’s going back to the cherry-picking defense, which, as others have pointed out, works for absolutely no one except Obama.

The long and the short of Obama’s defense, as articulated by Axelrod above, is not a “cherry-picking defense.” Rather, it’s a defense that Wright’s comments are justified in context and that your offense is brought forth by your (i.e. white America’s) ignorance of racial issues. That is classic “critical race theory” that was around when I was at Harvard (early 2000s) and was apparently influential when Obama was there in the late 80s / early 90s.

It’s a horrible argument and will simply expose him for being a far leftist.

Outlander on March 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM

See any white folk there? Everything is the fault of “white America” says the good Reverend Wright.

Would you expect any white person to be comfortable at such a place being constantly visited with guilt? Who wants to represent the “US of KKKa”?

drjohn on March 17, 2008 at 3:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tMvS5Ny2E4

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Exit question: how much of this would be under discussion if Obama already had a lock on the nomination with big wins in Ohio and Texas?

michaelo on March 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM

And who is going to believe him? I like Obama a lot better when he doesn’t have a Teleprompter to read from.

tarpon on March 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM

It can be revealed that Obama has just learned how to hypnotize people over the TV, not just at rallies.

We will all be assimilated into the Obama Cult tomorrow.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM

“You got nervous because we have some white members here..”

WTF was that supposed to mean?

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Barack Obama says: “I think the caricature that is being painted of him (Rev. Wright) is not accurate, and so part of what I will do tomorrow is to talk about how these issues are perceived from within the black church community for example which I think skews this very differently.”

GEE…I can hardly wait to be “enlightened” as to how “the black church community” understands GOD DAMN AMERICA differently. /sarc

Not that >> give a damn how anyone else “skews” (sic) this profanity. Certainly least of all from the mental zombies whose minds have been damaged by Wright’s “sermons.”

This moron (The Roadkill Formerly Known As Politician Obama) thinks he will convince others that Wright’s hate-filled rants – not “how all black churches are” – are acceptable?!

Naive? Amateurish? Desperate. In any case, Obama is dangerous. He is beyond damaged political goods: Obama’s brain – not my soul, thank you very much – is “broken.”

Get this man out of America’s way, NOW, before he can do any more harm.

Maybe, just maybe, this time Obama will steal some words – “just words” – from Goebbels to show how, after years of listening to Hitler, the German community “skewed his words very differently.”

NO SALE.

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Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM

When will Democrats start calling for Obama’s rsignation or maybe impeachment?

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Could you imagine the rant that the racist would have went into if NO white people were in the pews? LOL

If he talks like that from the pulpit in Church, imagine how he talks at home, or at the barber shop. >:D

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Maybe Obama will cry UNCLE. Oh, wait…

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Lott didn’t get a pass for it when he rued the day a segregationist like Strom Thurmond lost the presidential election; Michael Richards didn’t get a pass for it when he had a meltdown at that comedy club. The Messiah and his disciples are held to a different standard, thankfully.

I’m going to point the BIG difference here (haven’t read the other comments, so this may have been pointed out already). Obama didn’t SAY what Wright said. Lott and Richards uttered the words they were condemned for.

Which is why this entire thing is getting ridiculous. Not only can’t politicians say anything controversial, but now no one associated with them can say anything controversial (well, at least in Obama’s case. McCain seems to be getting a pass on this).

It’s really getting ridiculous. It’s character assassination through guilt-by-assocation. Come one…

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

There is a racial divide in this country still and pastors like Rev Wright help to keep it that way. That is why Obama being a member of that church is so hypocritical.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM

This is EXACTLY right.

Without the hate, without the division, guys like Wright, Jackson and Sharpton are meaningless.

And frankly, that’s what should happen. They should be meaningless. Without them, there is a far better chance at reconciliation. One day eveyone has to let it all go.

drjohn on March 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Why isn’t anyone attacking him for passing on tough questions?

In other news, Kelly Wright on Fox News this weekend defended Rev. Wright’s comments regarding the US creating AIDS to kill blacks by saying that it isn’t unbelievable and comparing it to the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. Ridiculous.

blankminde on March 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Obama is a great orator but so was Stephen A. Douglas but Douglas was just plain wrong. Don’t get bowled over by oratory.

Oh I’m not getting bowled by his oratory. Just because I’m praising his oratory skills and predicting he will give a great speech tomorrow doesn’t mean I’m gonna vote for him. I thought we were allowed to give analysis here.

terryannonline on March 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

It’s really getting ridiculous. It’s character assassination through guilt-by-assocation. Come one…

No.

This guy claims Wright as his “inspiration.” That’s not guilt by association. It’s guilt by choice. You need to be responsible for your “inspirations.” It is simply not feasible that Obama never heard any of this, never read the church bulletin.

It’s utterly ludicrous to assert otherwise.

drjohn on March 17, 2008 at 4:16 PM

“You got nervous because we have some white members here..”

WTF was that supposed to mean?

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM

But it’s OK he says, because he’s still in Bible country, he’s still in the text.

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

If you want to have a fun time, just visit a lefty blog for a discussion on Obama. Here’s a recap:

Person 1: You’re a racist.
Person 2: You’re a bigot.
Person 1: You’re a white racist bigot.
Person 2: You’re a Catholic priest loving racist.

Gotta love it.

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I think Obama is smart to try to frame this debate on race. He is trying to make this a black/white discussion instead of a love America/hate America discussion. This story only really started getting traction in the media with the blame America first rhetoric. I know that I started paying attention when I saw Wright blasting my Country five days after 9/11. Five days. I hardly spoke for the first few days following the attack, muchless rail about the US being somehow deserving of this dispicable act of war. I could not believe what had just happened, and was in a state of shock while I watched this all unfold. At the same time I was in mourning for my fellow AMERICANS of all races who were murdered, Trinity United Church of Christ was laying blame and dancing in the pews. I think Obama knows if he can get this turned into a pure race issue, he can survive because Americans will allow a “little anger” from an African-American. Americans will not allow for a “Marxist” who hates their Country.

chief on March 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

There is a racial divide in this country still and pastors like Rev Wright help to keep it that way. That is why Obama being a member of that church is so hypocritical.

Not really. Judge Obama BY WHAT HE SAYS AND WHAT HE DOES. Just because you belong to a Church doesn’t mean you agree with everything that’s said in it (believe me, I know).

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:19 PM

But it’s OK he says, because he’s still in Bible country, he’s still in the text.

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I never understood why after segregation, people CHOOSE to segregate themselves.

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 4:19 PM

It is simply not feasible that Obama never heard any of this, never read the church bulletin.

Obama claimed he never heard the specific sermons that were floating around the Web the past week or so. It’s certainly possible he never heard those.

Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Oh I’m not getting bowled by his oratory. Just because I’m praising his oratory skills and predicting he will give a great speech tomorrow doesn’t mean I’m gonna vote for him. I thought we were allowed to give analysis here.

terryannonline on March 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

sure we are. I am sure the speech will be great. He should quit that church though.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Just because I’m praising his oratory skills and predicting he will give a great speech tomorrow doesn’t mean I’m gonna vote for him. I thought we were allowed to give analysis here.

terryannonline on March 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM

I agree.
I’ve been harassed for regarding Hitler as a brilliant strategist and orator. No amount of polish changes the fact that he was a monster though…perhaps not unlike Obama. Unintentional Hitler/Obama reference. Won’t happen again.

blankminde on March 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Ok, Most extreme liberal senator, with no accomplishments, only 3 years “experience” some of which has been absent since he has been campaigning, he says that the racist Wright is his inspiration.

Chakra Hammer on March 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM

gain, judge Obama by what he says and what he does.

Like not wanting to wear an American flag.

Why would he not want to do that?

One wondered before, and now with the Rev. Dr.’s insane rantings, we may have an answer.

benrand on March 17, 2008 at 4:26 PM

This whole speech will boil down to Bill Clinton’s famous defense:

It depends on what the meaning of “invented AIDS” is.
It depends on what the meaning of “chickens coming home to roost” is.
It depends on what the meaning of “true enemy” is.
It depends on what the meaning of “Jesus was a poor black man” is.

Vote Sauron 08 on March 17, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I think Obama knows if he can get this turned into a pure race issue, he can survive because Americans will allow a “little anger” from an African-American. Americans will not allow for a “Marxist” who hates their Country.

chief on March 17, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Michelle Obama didn’t say :

…for the first time in her life she’s proud to be black
that black American’s souls are broken

The only fools who would “allow a little anger from an African-American” have no self-respect, and even less respect for those “angry African Americans.”

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Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Guess what Champ. If you go to Klan meetings for 20 years, people are going to assume you’re a racist. If you go to a church for 20 years where the Pastor rails against homosexuals on a regular basis and claims they are the source of all the world’s ills, people are going to assume you’re a homophobe. And, if you go to a church for 20 years where the Pastor regularly says racists anti-American things, guess what people are going to think you believe in? People are funny that way. Of coarse, refusing to wear a flag lapel pin, not putting your hand over your heart during the national anthem and having your wife parrot sanitized versions of the same rhetoric, it just confirms the assumption.

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM

This is an untenable position. There will be a continuing flow of comments attributed to Wright. Soon we’ll be treated to people that left the church b/c they were made to feel uncomfortable. This is quicksand, a total morass.

From a strategic position, he’s going to be spending a lot of time and energy trying to stem the flow of blood while attempting to convince/freeze super delegates that he can still win in the general.

All Hillary needs to do is to start winning and have her poll numbers notch up and we’ve got a really difficult decision for folks to make. Do we hitch our wagon to a star that might flame out over Wright or Rezko or do we go with a more know quantity? Though Clintons have several potential black holes orbiting their campaign as well that could just as easily suck the life out of their efforts (list of contributors to Clinton library, tax returns, pardons…etc…)

Either way, both camps will likely take on a great deal more water prior to the general.

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Obama claimed he never heard the specific sermons that were floating around the Web the past week or so. It’s certainly possible he never heard those.

Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does. Tom_Shipley

Pure sophistry.

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM

The only thing that Obama can do that would be dumber than what he’s already not done, is to try and defend Wright. He needs to bath in bleach and dump that guy outright. Anything less and he’s done. Of course, I hope that he takes the defend Wright approach.

orlandocajun on March 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM

If you go to Klan meetings for 20 years, people are going to assume you’re a racist.

Why do you think the Church Obama attends is racist?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

I wonder how Oprah feels now. haha

faraway on March 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Rush said she quit this same church a few years ago. Surely she knew Obama didn’t. And two of the smartest, most successful black people in America couldn’t both have been hoodwinked by the Rev. Racist. It’s inexplicable.

If something like this could happen to Barry in church, under his very nose, without him knowing about it, I worry that a communist or jihadi or black separatist plot might be hatched in the oval office right under his nose. It wouldn’t be his fault, of course, but it’s something to consider when going into the voting booth.

I’m not worried about 3am anymore, I’m worried about broad daylight.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Why do you think the Church Obama attends is racist?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Why do you think anyone does?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does. Tom_Shipley

I have read a lot of comments, but I have to believe that this one takes the cake.

Tom, you can you please explain the difference between “spiritual advisor” and “Obama’s beliefs” and how the two cannot be connected?

Please, make an attempt, I really want to read this…..

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Meanwhile, McCain is courting Tim LaHaye’s endorsement and no one cares.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Please, make an attempt, I really want to read this…..

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Could you give him ur email.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM

“Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does.” Tom_Shipley

Mr. Shipley, do the words MENTOR and PROTEGEE mean anything to you?

Skip the part about being 20 years together. Obama consciously chose to follow and be guided by this racist anti-American bigot.

But I think we are all wasting our time on a troll:

…when I read:

Why do you think the Church Obama attends is racist?
Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

I see there is no point in taKKKing this discussion any further with you. I wish you much pleasure in your delusions of rationalizing why this hatred, race-baiting and seditíon-stirring is just OK.

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM

orlandocajun on March 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Unless Wright can destroy him and is demanding that Obama defend him in public….

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Unless Wright can destroy him and is demanding that Obama defend him in public….

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I don’t think that’s it. I think Obama loves, respects and admires Wright.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Tom, you can you please explain the difference between “spiritual advisor” and “Obama’s beliefs” and how the two cannot be connected?

Thks difference? Well, the former is a person who advises Obama on religious and spiritual matters. The latter is what Obama believes.

You can’t take every word that Wright says and assume that Obama believes that as well. Which is why I say judge Obama by what he says and what he does, not by what Wright says.

Did anyone think Obama would hold the views that some of Wright’s more controversial remarks pushed prior to them being revealed? I would have to say no. Again, judge Obama on Obama, not Wright.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Meanwhile, McCain is courting Tim LaHaye’s endorsement and no one cares.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM

You do. And maybe you won’t vote for McCain because of it. Just like millions won’t vote for Barry because of his associations. It’s a free country.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

He will do the “Wright is Moses and I am Joshua” defense that he is new school to Wrights old school

William Amos on March 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Yep, dollar to a donut says that’s exactly what he’ll do. He could possibly make a very appealing case with it also.

This worries me a great deal, as the issues have become larger than Obama and larger than this one election. The issues are large (1)because Wright’s strain of anti-American, anti-capitalist, multi-culti victimological religion is more prevalent than we’d like, and indeed it may be spreading, and (2)because of its intimate relation to political ‘progressivism’, i.e., progressive Marxism. How the country reacts to Obama’s affiliation with Wright will set the tone of politics for decades to come. If Obama is not held accountable for using it when it was convenient for him, or if carries it into the White House with him, it will have been legitimatized within the mainstream of American politics from here on out. From my viewpoint, that would be about as ominous as mainstreaming the Communist party or mainstreaming the KKK.

petefrt on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

If you go to Klan meetings for 20 years, people are going to assume you’re a racist.

Why do you think the Church Obama attends is racist?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Do you? Do you think Wright said anything wrong?

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does. Tom_Shipley

It is more than just the good Rev. It is the entire church Obama goes to. If Obama wants to do something, he can leave and go to another church. No one is forcing him to attend that church.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Tom-

Just kidding. We’re all gonna vote for Barry. Don’t worry. We know he was just kidding too.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM

I don’t think that’s it. I think Obama loves, respects and admires Wright.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I think your probably right. I think he’s a true believer but that doesn’t mean Wright isn’t pushing him to stick up for him because the most idiotic thing he can do right now is publicly defend Wright. If he does that he’s done.

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Do you? Do you think Wright said anything wrong?

Personally, I don’t mind the “god damn” America comment all that much. He was venting frustration using particularly strong language. But, as I posted on here before, I don’t think the comment necessarily means he hates America.

Aside from that, as a white person, I haven’t read anything that made me think the Church was racist. I mean, is him saying “Hilary’s never been called a n*gger” racist?” I don’t really think so. But, if anyone can provide reason for me to think it’s a racist church, I’d be more than happy to look at it.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM

You do. And maybe you won’t vote for McCain because of it. Just like millions won’t vote for Barry because of his associations. It’s a free country.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Only one is getting all the attention. LaHaye openly hates Catholics, Jews and Gays but McCain want him on his team.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Don’t forget: Barry said Wright counseled O-Ba-Ma on all the larger political decisions…this ain’t just about “spiritual guidance”.

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM

The amazing story of the jekyll and hyde pastor who only speaks offensively when Mr. Obama is not in attendance.

Obama claimed he never heard the specific sermons that were floating around the Web the past week or so. It’s certainly possible he never heard those.

Again, judge Obama by what he says and what he does. This guys is his spiritual advisor. Doesn’t mean Obama holds every belief that Wright does. Tom_Shipley

Tom, you’d have us suspend logic.

Assuming Wright lost his marbles whenever Obama was not in church (and only then), does it not follow that other church members would have mentioned something to Obama the next time they saw him in church….like “wow, did you hear….Pastor Wright went off the deep end and lost his marbles last Sunday. It was a bizzar tirade that I found very offensive….it was sooo out of the ordinary from his usual social gospel of healing racial and social divisions”

Nope. Not heard any of that…

Is this what you’re asking us to believe??

Obama has called Wright his mentor and spiritual advisor. To me this suggests a close, hierarchical relationship. (mentor n. A wise and trusted counselor or teacher).

You can bet there will be more stories/quotes that will continue to emerge. One of these will place Obama in the pew. Even if it doesn’t he’s toast. It defies logic to suggest some sort of jekyll and hyde pastor that only speaks offensively from the pulpit when Obama is not in attendance.

Is this not what you’re asking us to believe?

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Why do you think the Church Obama attends is racist?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Because it is a Black Liberation Theology church–a “theology” outlined by one James Cone. This is the same James Cone who Jeremiah Wright mentioned when he was trying to shout down Sean Hannity here. TUCC’s About page is Black Liberation Theology in a nutshell.

Any other questions?

baldilocks on March 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Have you heard all of Wright’s sermons? Have you heard more that 1% of them? Do you know that these controversial ones are the norm rather than aberrations?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Only one is getting all the attention. LaHaye openly hates Catholics, Jews and Gays but McCain want him on his team.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I’m in one of the categories you claim this LaHaye guy hates (what’s his specific relationship with McCain btw), but I’m in two of the categories Barry and the Trinettes hate. So, I’ll vote for McCain.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM

baldilocks on March 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Um, I read your links and don’t see anything “racist” in them.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM

PEOPLE: why are you all FEEDING THIS TROLL?!?

Lockstein13 on March 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Have you heard all of Wright’s sermons? Have you heard more that 1% of them? Do you know that these controversial ones are the norm rather than aberrations?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Have you heard the sermons of the new pastor? It would seem that he thinks that gansta rap and crack cocain are a whitey plot.

See:
http://thisgoesto11.blogspot.com/2008/03/barry-os-new-pastor-reagan-and.html

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Why do you think the Church Obama attends is racist?

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Because, Tom, when anyone speaks in generalities about another group, and says it in a hateful, and degrading manner, and encourages others to “believe” and think the same way……. I would call it racist.

“There is a great rich white devil out there which is the cause of all your pain and suffering.”

No mention to personal responsibility. No mention of specific high crimes and misdomeanors, it’s allways “whitey this” and “whitey that”.

It is so easy to blame your own short commings on others than to look into the mirror and take responsibilty.

You know, if you look at all the grant and relief programs of the Federal Government , it’s enough to make you choke.

And you know the one category that is not listed as eligable for all that pork?

That’s right…………. white males.

Stuff it in your socks, Tom. The lid is off this canard, the fact that you, and other Obama followers don’t like it, is just more schadenfreude for me.

More popcorn anyone?

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Have you heard the sermons of the new pastor? It would seem that he thinks that gansta rap and crack cocain are a whitey plot.

I read some post somewhere claiming the new guy is worse than the old one. The question is, does Obama know him and have a relationship with him?

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM

I’m in one of the categories you claim this LaHaye guy hates (what’s his specific relationship with McCain btw), but I’m in two of the categories Barry and the Trinettes hate. So, I’ll vote for McCain.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM

McCain went to New Orleans to get LaHaye’s support, along with the support of the Council for National Policy.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM

More popcorn anyone?

Seven Percent Solution on March 17, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Yes please. Yum. good.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Um, I read your links and don’t see anything “racist” in them.

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:57 PM

You have to have eyes to see, hon.

baldilocks on March 17, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Have you heard all of Wright’s sermons? Have you heard more that 1% of them? Do you know that these controversial ones are the norm rather than aberrations?

Clearly not. But I’ve also not heard all of the offensive remarks of louis farrakhan or Adolf Hitler…Is that the litmus test? We have to sit through every speech before we can reach a conclusion?

I like millions of others watched the twin towers fall and have a nephew who is in the Arlington Fire Department. To hear someone attempt to morally equate or justify 9/11 is extremely offensive. He can certainly say what he thinks. But it is reasonable and rational for people to evaluate a presidential canidate based on who one calls a mentor and advisor.

Put another way, Mr. Obama’s chicken has come home to roost.

moxie_neanderthal on March 17, 2008 at 5:04 PM

McCain went to New Orleans to get LaHaye’s support, along with the support of the Council for National Policy.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM

That may be, and this LaHaye’s guy might turn out to be odious. However, my comment stands as written.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM

McCain went to New Orleans to get LaHaye’s support, along with the support of the Council for National Policy.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Big difference, even if true. Obama is a proud member of Wright’s church, has donated 20,000 each year to the church, attends services there, names his books after Wright’s sermons, praises Wright incecessently, had his kids baptized by Wright, brought tapes of Wright’s sermons to Harvard with him to repeatedly listen to.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 5:06 PM

You have to have eyes to see, hon.

Which I have. Why don’t cut and paste from those links the passages you believe are racist…

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Big difference, even if true. Obama is a proud member of Wright’s church, has donated 20,000 each year to the church, attends services there, names his books after Wright’s sermons, praises Wright incecessently, had his kids baptized by Wright, brought tapes of Wright’s sermons to Harvard with him to repeatedly listen to.

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 5:06 PM

LaHaye had to quit Jack Kemp’s campaign because of statements he made about Jews and Catholics. He talks about executing gays for the betterment of society, despite having a gay son. McCain is openly seeking his endorsement. I’m not saying that excuses any of what’s gone on with Wright and Obama. But you can’t have it both ways.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM

“Have you heard all of Wright’s sermons? ”

The ones I have heard so far seem to be oriented to attacking RICH WHITE PEOPLE.

I think that’s enough for me my friend.

benrand on March 17, 2008 at 5:12 PM

It [Trinity United Church of Christ] also helped give him spiritual bona fides and a new assurance. Services at Trinity were a weekly master class in how to move an audience. When Mr. Obama arrived at Harvard Law School later that year, where he fortified himself with recordings of Mr. Wright’s sermons, he was delivering stirring speeches as a student leader in the classic oratorical style of the black church.

http://perfunction.typepad.com/perfunction/2008/03/awaken-the-gian.html

windansea on March 17, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Free ad time for the candidate. This is BS.

Connie on March 17, 2008 at 5:14 PM

QUESTION FOR THE GROUP:

Is Obama going to blaim all of us for this problem?

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 5:15 PM

You have to have eyes to see, hon.

Third eye.

Which I have. Why don’t cut and paste from those links the passages you believe are racist…

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Not playing your game.

baldilocks on March 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I’m not saying that excuses any of what’s gone on with Wright and Obama. But you can’t have it both ways.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM

If what you say is true, and McCain has a strong relationship with a vile character,it will cost him votes. No one is trying to have it both ways. Most elections you hold your nose, don’t you? This time, you’ll need a baggy over your head.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:16 PM

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM

If and when McCain joins LaHayes church (which will be a cold day in hell), I’ll worry about it and not one minute sooner.

When is Obama going to quit Wright’s church?

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 5:17 PM

When is Obama going to quit Wright’s church?

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 5:17 PM

same day

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Not playing your game.

What game is that? You alledge that this church is racist and these links show that it is. I really don’t think they do. I’m just asking you to back up your claim of racism (which is a pretty heavy charge).

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 5:19 PM

What game is that?

Scrabble or Boggle.

L-O-T-L-R

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:23 PM

If and when McCain joins LaHayes church (which will be a cold day in hell), I’ll worry about it and not one minute sooner.

When is Obama going to quit Wright’s church?

bnelson44 on March 17, 2008 at 5:17 PM

LaHaye doesn’t have a church.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:24 PM

LaHaye doesn’t have a church.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Euphemism for ministry. When you pick around at the margins, you concede the middle.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Not really. Judge Obama BY WHAT HE SAYS AND WHAT HE DOES. Just because you belong to a Church doesn’t mean you agree with everything that’s said in it (believe me, I know).

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Well, we know that what Obama says on the campaign trail are words written for him by speech writers or words taken from other people’s speeches. Obama’s own words are that Wright is is mentor and spiritual advisor and that he listened to tapes of Wright’s sermons for inspiration during law school. We have heard Michelle Obama’s unscripted words in which she calles America “downright mean” and that she is “proud of this country for the first time in her adult life”…

I think I AM taking Obama’s words into account when I decide that Obama has been influenced by and accepting of the Anti-American, racist and separatist views of his spiritual advisor and mentor of two decades.

What Obama does is attend a church for 20 years in which he is preached a message of separation, race hatred and America hatred.

ihasurnominashun on March 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Euphemism for ministry. When you pick around at the margins, you concede the middle.

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Or you keep moving the goalposts.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Tom_Shipley on March 17, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Claiming the white man developed HIV to kill Blacks is racist. Is that not obvious to you?

TheBigOldDog on March 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Or you keep moving the goalposts.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:28 PM

How

JiangxiDad on March 17, 2008 at 5:31 PM

You know its interesting that Sen Obama, as long as he sticks to generalities, is able to handle himself well, but when he has to get specific, he fumbles. It isn’t just because he’s a politician, it seems more to it than that.

So far, he’s screwed up the specifics regarding his pastor. On the one hand, Obama denies hearing any of the nasty things that his pastor has said. Then again, the pastor is on record as acknowledging that he would be disassociated from if Sen Obama were to go far in politics. So which is it?

Weebork on March 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

McCain went to New Orleans to get LaHaye’s support, along with the support of the Council for National Policy.

SnarkVader on March 17, 2008 at 5:02 PM

(said in a whiny 3 year old voice)…Heeeeee did it toooooo!

ArmyAunt on March 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM

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