Manson family flashback: Graves at Barker Ranch?
posted at 1:45 pm on March 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Almost 40 years after the murder of Sharon Tate and six others provided a crashing, violent climax to the 1960s, researchers believe they may provide a coda to the saga of the Manson Family. At their Death Valley hideout, forensic investigators think they have found unmarked gravesites which could hold the remains of hitchhikers and transients unfortunate enough to cross their path. As Manson’s murderers continue to seek parole, the latest discoveries could seriously damage their prospects, if proven true:
[T]he results of just-completed followup tests suggest bodies could indeed be lying beneath the parched ground. The test findings — described in detail to The Associated Press, which had accompanied the site search — conclude there are two likely clandestine grave sites at Barker Ranch, and one additional site that merits further investigation.
Next step, the ad hoc investigators urge: Dig.
For years, rumors have swirled about other possible Manson family victims — hitchhikers who visited them at the ranch and were not seen again, runaways who drifted into the camp then fell out of favor.
The same jailhouse confessions that helped investigators initially connect the band of misfits living in the Panamint Mountains to the gruesome killings that terrorized Los Angeles hinted at other deaths. Manson follower Susan Atkins boasted to her cell mate on November 1, 1969, that there were “three people out in the desert that they done in.” Other stories surfaced. In the absence of bodies, they were forgotten.
The stories got forgotten for a couple of reasons. First, without bodies and/or more specific confessions or admissions, prosecutors couldn’t build a case against any of the Manson Family. They had a difficult time prosecuting them for the death of Shorty Shea, for which they had both testimony and forensic evidence, even though no body at the time. Mostly, though, the stories faded away because so many young people simply appeared and disappeared without a trace. They mostly re-emerged with new identities or returned to their original ones, but a few slipped through the cracks of that turbulent time.
If they do find bodies at Barker Ranch, prosecutors will still have a difficult time getting justice. Almost 40 years have gone by, and they’re not likely to identify any remains. Even if they can do that — and that would at least bring some measure of closure to family members — they would still have to figure out who killed whom, and when, and how. Given the passage of time, that’s very unlikely, even if the currently incarcerated Family members start talking.
Of course, to do that, they would have to admit that they kept the information on the additional murders secret across four decades. How will that go over with parole boards? Charles Manson treats his hearings like a joke, but the other four — Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkle, Leslie Van Houten, and Tex Watson — claim to have been completely rehabilitated during their prison stays and want freedom. If more bodies get found at Barker, where Watson especially assisted Manson in his efforts, how can they explain their silence if those bodies came from murders committed by the Family? Wouldn’t a truly rehabilitated person have thought to mention the murders over the last 40 years?
Addendum: For the best review of the murders and an in-depth look at the Manson Family, Vincent Bugliosi’s Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders remains required reading after more than thirty years.
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I saw some of this story on Fox News. They said that a search dog alerted to a body. I’m amazed that a dog can still pick up a scent after 40 years.
SoulGlo on March 16, 2008 at 1:50 PM
I remember all of this so well…shows how old I am. :) It was horrible then and I hate to hear that it may all be brought up again, perhaps for a whole new generation who is not familiar with the sorrid story. Hopefully though, if true, it will put to rest any further talk of any of them getting out on probation.
dustoffmom on March 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I started reading about Manson on Wikipedia. I got to the section on the Tate murders and I didn’t get two sentences in before I had to close the browser window.
Purple Fury on March 16, 2008 at 1:59 PM
What happened to this post?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/16/down-the-memory-hole-wrights-testimonial-deleted-from-obamas-website/
Illyahkuryahkin on March 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Then don’t waste your money on “Helter Skelter” (book about the Manson murders written by the prosecuting attorney) because you won’t get past the first chapter. The book reveals the depravity man is capable of and why these murderers should never be paroled.
Hog Wild on March 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM
I use to hate these true life crime shows because I didn’t want to see the dead victim. It seemed so disrespectful. Then I read where Sharon Tate’s mother wanted everyone to look at the crime scene and autopsy photos. (They are now on the internet in color.) Her point was that she did not want people to forget what these people had done. And she’s absolutely right. Same with Jeffrey MacDonald. You look at his wife and children being turned into pincushions while he has a scratch and one surgically induced puncture wound. These days there are too many people pro murderers. It’s sickening. And don’t forget the LoBianca. It was Obama’s friend, Bernadette Dohrn, who publicly ridiculed and laughed about the murder of this innocent couple.
Blake on March 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Helter Skelter was required reading in my criminal justice class in college.
‘Live freaky, die freaky…’
Vatican Watcher on March 16, 2008 at 2:23 PM
I disagree with that. They had the bodies of Sharon Tate, Steven Parent, Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, Voytec Frykowski, Leno LaBianca and Rosemary LaBianca. They had the city of Los Angeles living in fear and the eyes of the country following that case. That admission was more than enough to get the search warrant. I did read Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders, lived through the times and walked away with the feeling that is wasn’t good old fashioned detective work that got those convictions. The LAPD didn’t appear to communicate with each other. That same Nov 1 confession was enough to get Bugliosi and his crew out to the Spann Ranch to conduct the search. It kinda looks like they were more interested in closing the murder cases of Sharon Tate, Steven Parent, Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, Voytec Frykowski, Leno LaBianca and Rosemary LaBianca, rather than do their job and follow up on the confession of a gal that they saw fit to offer a deal to..
Pam on March 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM
If they had only committed their crimes in San Francisco, they’d still be free.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Not from SoCal, and I’ve never been there, but I still remember the summer of the Tate/Labianca murders. It was only a few months before the first Zodiac murders, IIRC, and less than five years later came the Zebra murder spree.
At the time, I was pretty sure that there were more certifiably crazy running around loose than the medical community believed. I believe that subsequent history (Son of Sam, Green River, etc.) confirms my analysis back then.
On the plus side, if remains can be found, identified, and tied to a specific murder committed by Manson and his death cult, they can probably still be charged (if the cases are still “cold open”, Statute of Limitations has not yet kicked in), and a couple more convictions on their rap sheets should pretty thoroughly guarantee that Manson & Co. won’t be eligible for parole anytime in this century.
cheers
eon
eon on March 16, 2008 at 3:17 PM
That should have been “certifiably crazy people“.
Hit the wrong darned button first!
cheers
eon
eon on March 16, 2008 at 3:19 PM
With street festivals named after them!
Pam on March 16, 2008 at 3:22 PM
I thought it was the Spahn Ranch.
RobCon on March 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Pam on March 16, 2008 at 3:22 PM
They only got in trouble, because they refused to have sex with the rotting corpses!
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 16, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Can you possibly imagine their last moments alive?
Pour souls, I pray they eventually found peace.
Seven Percent Solution on March 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM
If you want to consider something really creepy: whatever happened to all the kids who were living with the Manson family at the time of its arrest, including many of Manson’s own bastard children?
WasatchMan on March 16, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Barker Ranch, been there during one of my Death Valley off-road trips. Most of the structures still stand, and you can see where some of the beds have been used by squatters and campers.
I remember finding what looked like a human arm bone, but figured it must’ve come from some animal….(/jk)
deesine on March 16, 2008 at 5:31 PM
First, this dates me. I remember that summer of the Tate, LaBianca murders. I read Helter Skelter and remember when the White Album came out by the Beatles. I was fascinated by this story and still am to this day. It was a crazy time in our country’s history, one that shaped many of our lives. I don’t want to go back to those “good ole” days.
If bodies are found, I hope the families of those buried there will receive some comfort in knowing what happened to their loved ones.
d1carter on March 16, 2008 at 6:10 PM
While “Helter Skelter” is a good yarn it’s not completely non-fiction. Bugliosi played to the media and in doing so inflated the Manson boogeyman mystique, which ultimately turned him into a hero to a certain twisted part of the population.
The real unsung hero of that story is Death Valley Deputy Sheriff Don Ward. He’s the one that brought down the Family, not Bugliosi.
miles on March 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM
At this point this is like finding out that the Ice Man of the History Channel and PBS fame was discovered to have an arrow stuck in his back at time of death.
In other words, he was murdered !!!
… and I hope they catch his murderers.
BowHuntingTexas on March 16, 2008 at 6:36 PM
I highly recommend “The Family” by Ed Sanders, which I read in 1971 after I got out of the service. It came out years before Bugliosi’s book and spurred by fascination with the Manson murders. Ed Sanders, by the way, is a beatnik poet who later was in the group “The Fugs,” but he wrote a masterful work on the Manson Family.
rivlax on March 16, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I remember reading “Helter Skelter” when I was in high school. I was about half way through the book or so that I had to stop reading the book at night, because I was having nightmares.
I’m very much a law-and-order person, but if you look at what they’ve got on Leslie Van Houten, she should have been paroled years ago. She’s the one who has the best shot at getting out…forget Watson, Atkins, and probably Krenwinkle. I won’t go through the whole thing here, and I’m not sure this is necessarily the most sympathetic audience on Hot Air, but she deserves to be paroled. I doubt she ever will be paroled, due to the great notoriety of this crime, but she should be.
asc85 on March 16, 2008 at 9:06 PM
All these posts and not a single White Zombie reference.
Reaps on March 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM
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According to “Helter Skelter,” all the kids Manson fathered were put up for adoption and their real names were never revealed to them (as of 1994–the date of my copy).
artlover on March 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I got my hands on a copy of Helter Skelter as a teen in the 70’s. I didn’t get very far before putting it down, going downstairs, and sitting in whatever room my parents were in. I’ll never forget it. The crime scene photos with the bodies whited out creeped me like nothing I had ever seen before. As a parent of a young child now, I dread the day she learns what people are really capable of.
Buck Turgidson on March 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM
“According to “Helter Skelter” all the kids Manson fathered were put up for adoption and their real names were never revealed to them.”
Manson and first family member Mary Brunner conceived a child together in 1968 and he retains the last name of his mother: Micheal Brunner.
He was raised by his grandparents in Eau Claire, Wisconsin
until his mother was released from jail (Hawthorne robbery/shootout).Micheal and his mother Mary then moved to the Denver area.
After some bad experiences with interviews involving “Inside Edition”,”KCBS”,and Sally Jessie show(MSM cut and
Paste jobs),he moved back to Wisconsin.
Micheal graduated high school,has a child and live in girlfriend(as of the early 90’s),has a real estate license and pretty much is middle class America and has not gotten
in any real trouble his whole life.
“Clem”(Steve Grogan) is the only Family member convicted of murder(Shorty Shea) to be paroled.He stayed in California
as of the early 90’s.
There is little to no chance that anything will come out of
finding more bodies except maybe closure for family and closing old case’s if the bodies can be identified.
The family members behind bars have nothing to gain from
revealing knowledge of other murders and the family members
on the outside are harder to get to talk than Al-Qaeda.
Already stated above, the best reading on the Manson Family is “The Family” by Ed Sanders and “Helter Skelter” by
Vincent Bugliosi and Curt Gentry.
Most interviews done by Manson are crap.
Manson will play the “Crazy Messiah” for people like Heraldo
and 20/20.The guy is 100% prison con and was able to use
this,drugs,sex,and isolation to get some lost souls to carry out his “get back” against society.
For excellent information on the Manson case and background
on the family:
Charliemanson.com
one of the better interviews:
Charles Manson Superstar/DVD
Reading:
Helter Skelter/Vincent Bugliosi Charles Gentry
The Family/ Ed Sanders
My life with Charles Manson/ Paul Watkins (Family Member)
Will you die for me/ Tex Watson (Family Member)
The Shadow over Santa Susana/ Adam Gorightly
The Garbage People/ Ron Kenner
The Manson File/ Nikolas Schreck
“The real unsung hero of that story was Death Valley
Deputy Sheriff Don Ward.”
Ward certainly was part of the puzzle that had to be put
together to bring Manson down,But the jail house confession
of Susan Atkins that was reported by Ronnie Howard and the
early interviews/testimony by Straight Satan’s Al Springer
and Danny DeCarlo is what broke this case wide open.
The murders and motives of them were so bizarre that many credible leads were dismissed due to the fact that LA Robbery/Homicide were convinced that the murders were drug related.
One man being able to control so many and have them murder
for you without the slightest remorse in such a barbaric way
is freighting and makes for very compelling research.
Baxter Greene on March 17, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Bob?
- The Cat
MirCat on March 17, 2008 at 1:43 AM
My wife was friends with Leslie van Houten in high school (Monrovia, CA) until Leslie fell in with the drug crowd in her junior year. It still creeps my wife out to see her old girlfriend on TV.
snopercod on March 17, 2008 at 9:22 AM
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