Down the memory hole: Wright’s testimonial deleted from Obama’s website
posted at 2:15 pm on March 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Niiiice catch by Sweetness & Light. Here’s the after and here’s the before, as last cached six days ago. In Obama’s defense, he had no reason to delete it earlier; after all, he you only found out about Wright’s hate sermons this week.
Exit question via David Bernstein, further to the “expedience vs. belief” point I made a few days ago: What was Obama’s motive in joining Trinity? Is he really a true-believin’ America-hater in the Jeremiah mold? Or was he simply hoping (as Yglesias notes) to exploit the affiliation to establish his black “authenticity” among a constituency who might otherwise challenge it? Whatever the answer is, it’s a bad one!
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I wonder if Oprah will feel the wrath as well.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 16, 2008 at 2:18 PM
I wish you could run an actual poll with this question here. I’m afraid though it could be used to further argue that too many people in this country don’t have access to adequate healthcare.
freevillage on March 16, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I just love people who come to America and then bash it every chance they get.
Putin will take you back won’t he?
windansea on March 16, 2008 at 2:25 PM
Obama takes it down, he gets bashed. Obama keeps it up, he gets bashed.
SoulGlo on March 16, 2008 at 2:27 PM
Let the cover-up begin!
I wonder if the Democrats realize how much damage this is doing to them as a whole? Is there any doubt in anybody’s mind that if Obama was not an African-American he would have already been forced out of the race? For example, if this sort of thing happened to John McCain the Democratic party would be calling for him to not only step-down from the race but resign from the Senate. Their transparently hypocritical double standard angers people and does them great long-term harm.
TheBigOldDog on March 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM
I tend to go with the expedience angle, but it doesn’t really matter. He who lies down with pigs can’t complain when he winds up smelling like shit.
BuzzCrutcher on March 16, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Really? I don’t.
freevillage on March 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM
He probably joined the church because he had worked with it before and liked the people and its message. While he probably doesn’t hate America the way Wright does, he was likely sympathetic to some of his views.
WisCon on March 16, 2008 at 2:31 PM
all I’m hearing are complaints, you did fix the motherland before you left right?
windansea on March 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton feel threatened by this guy.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 16, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I’ll leave it between you and your doctor to figure out why.
freevillage on March 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM
I’m looking forward to some discussion on the finer points of safely handling polonium during that crucial planning period. It’s always looked tricky to me.
a capella on March 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Hello Dembot.
Pax americana on March 16, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Obama for for Wright’s help before he was against Wright’s help.
That about sums it up.
Another Flip-Flop.
Tennessee Dave on March 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Obama had to take it down.
And… it’s “whitey’s” fault is next week’s sermon.
Too funny…
Hog Wild on March 16, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Guilty as charged.
BTW Allah, I thought you were all Obama’d out?
omnipotent on March 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM
I wonder if Obama were elected(which ain’t happenin’) how long it would take to implement the Black Values System into public schools?
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 16, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Funny thing about trolls is, when you don’t feed them they die.
TheBigOldDog on March 16, 2008 at 2:43 PM
I am, but my sense is that the readers aren’t, so on we go.
Allahpundit on March 16, 2008 at 2:44 PM
First time I actually went to Obama’s website.
Is it too early in the campaign to compare Obama to Hitler?
Niko on March 16, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Flushed down the Sewer of Hope.
The 527 that will run Wright’s hate-rants as commercials is inevitable. When can I start donating? The media is obviously uncomfortable with this toxic combination of black church, black candidate and black preacher crazy-talk. This story will drop off the MSM by tomorrow. But reactionary bigots like me want to keep it alive and fresh until November. Or even December just for good measure. When that 527 pops up, please post their info so I can donate.
Vote Sauron 08 on March 16, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Down the memory hole…
The beauty of it; U-Tubes are flying around the internet at record speed; sound bites are in lock-up mode (sealed for protection) in every talk-radio hosts office. The man can run, but the man can’t hide; the truth will set us free.
Keemo on March 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I believe the answer is both.
Obama probably started with some American hating rage and he really wanted to be authentically black. It probably helped form a lot of his identity. I believe his faith is genuine(though I think liberation theology and the social gospel are wrong) regardless of the reason he began attending. I think he felt that no one would bring this up, that he couldn’t bring up any objections to Wright, and that it would look politically expedient to attend a different church.
Obama has pledged to talk against homophobia in the black churches, how about pledging to talk against anti-white rhetoric in those churches?
ninjapirate on March 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM
He would have the ability to morally blackmail anybody who stood in his way…. The thought of what he could get away with is frightening. It may turn out the person who saved America from the implementation of Wright’s philosophy was Wright himself.
TheBigOldDog on March 16, 2008 at 2:47 PM
That’s because it’s not the status of the website that’s bashable…that’s just a symptom of the entirely bashable problem that Obama’s associated closely with a vile racist.
James on March 16, 2008 at 2:47 PM
This effort is right out of the democrat’s playbook, classic arrogant elitist behavior. Having lived in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts for most of my life this tactic by the Obama is textbook Ted “the swimmer” Kennedy, John “swifty” Kerry, Barney “defiles description” Frank. The democrats are a lot like drug dealers, promise the electorate cheap entitlements, getem’ hooked, after that the dems don’t have to worry about their base asking questions or becoming disillusioned, just keep those entitlements a comin’. All hail the Messiah!
dmann on March 16, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Allah
Still think Hillary is weaker candidate? Based on the results and voter demographics so far, I’d rather run against Obama at this point.
I don’t think we get any of his AA/youth/wealthy liberal voters if he loses nomination. But McCain will certainly draw a nice slice of women/independent/blue collar voters if it’s not Hillary.
windansea on March 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Takogo kak Putin, eh freevillage?
Vladimir Putin: Russia will defend the Islamists.
John McCain: I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw three letters: K-G-B.
No wonder the Russians don’t want John McCain to be our President.
Pax americana on March 16, 2008 at 2:54 PM
I can’t believe he did this. It alienates more of his base because they’ll see it as abandoning his ideals and throwing Wright to the wolves. At the same time it solidifies the notion in everyone else’s mind that he’s trying to hide something and not too successfully. It would have been better just to leave it up as it was. It’s not like anyone didn’t know Wright was his pastor.
Oldnuke on March 16, 2008 at 2:55 PM
Good point! Right now he’d definitely be weaker in the general. But who knows it’s a long time till November and Hillary’s dragging around a lot of baggage.
Oldnuke on March 16, 2008 at 3:00 PM
A lot of us were “Obama’d out” before the primaries even began. Then he got in the nomination driver’s seat, and more than a few nominal Republicans and conservatives started reporting quasi-erotic white guilt-assuaging thrills when listening to his platitudinous MLK-mimicry, and others started prematurely celebrating the fall of the house of Clinton, and so we’re stuck with him for now. Going a bit overboard on him is arguably a patriotic duty until the day he agrees to leave us all alone.
Even if his candidacy collapses, we’ll still be thrashing out what it all meant for years.
CK MacLeod on March 16, 2008 at 3:08 PM
I suspect the media will forget about this in a week.
jediwebdude on March 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM
I didn’t know Father Michael Pfleger is on Obama’s list.
Does anyone on Bam’s endorsement list NOT have a connection to Farrakhan?
yo on March 16, 2008 at 3:14 PM
jediwebdude on March 16, 2008 at 3:10PM
Dunno about that dude… seems to be the kinda thing that does not require much explanation… kinda thing that sticks, specially Sunday morning.
christophercube on March 16, 2008 at 3:18 PM
I wish I had lexis/nexis ..they did the same thing on the Trinity church “mission” page..after I read about the church a few weeks ago on the AT blog there was a link to the page..there was a whole bottom section(since replaced by videos) that amongst other things for the congregation to do was to reject “middle-classness” whatever the hell that means. I remember other controversial points but I can’t be specific
any way someone could get a snapshot of the old mission page..might be interesting how they’re trying to clean up their image
galtg on March 16, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Reverend Jeremiah Wright Brings Unity To The World
ninjapirate on March 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM
He joined the church when he was going to Harvard, and in his 20s, so my guess is that he really bought what the pastor was selling.
bnelson44 on March 16, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Show me the vast majority of Wright sermons that were all about peace, love, and Jesus-y gooeyness, that I may believe in Obama’s protestations.
Surely they can do that, can’t they?
James on March 16, 2008 at 3:21 PM
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…
pueblo1032 on March 16, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Basically, Wright is the imam of an Afro-centric madrassa, teaching hate of America and vile racism. No wonder Obama doesn’t wear a flag in his lapel.
Star20 on March 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM
I love that Obama and his pastor live by the Kanye West school of politics…
“Before you ask me to get a job today, can I at least get a raise on a minimum wage?
And I know the government administered AIDS,So I guess we just pray like the minister say…”
—-Kanye West: Heard em Say.
watchmen on March 16, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Nah Dude. They KNEW he was lying to get elected and they are fine with it because of the great payoff if he gets elected. Think about it, even Wright was ok with it. The ends justify the means.
TheBigOldDog on March 16, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Could be, but I still say he’d have been better off just to leave it. Less explaining to do that could trip him up more. If that’s possible.
Oldnuke on March 16, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Won’t the dems be surprised when Hussein Obinga,after winning the nomination, puts Louis Farrakhan on the ticket as VP..
No they’ll just keep insisting that Obinga’s not a nation of islam member and they’ll call anyone who dares to question the good reverend/Imam Farrakhan a racist!
SaintOlaf on March 16, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Not making excuses for him but how could he not have bought into it. Young, inexperienced, black abandoned by his father raised in a white world. He had to have some identity issues. He goes to Harvard, bastion of white guilt and liberalism. He is inundated with leftist propaganda from his professors. Then he gets hooked up with this church and this preacher. How else could it be.
Oldnuke on March 16, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Nobody seems to have asked Obambi a key question:
Have you purchased any of Revrum Wright’s Hating Whitey Video Collection? If so that’s a pretty clear indicator he’s endorsed the content in other ways than active membership and contributions for over twenty years.
Wright’s agenda is already in place in the public skools particularly in cities such as Detroit and New Orleans (among many others). Social promotion, classroom mayhem. teachers who can speak English, and graduates who can’t read their diplomas. The culture of no expectations of itself but endless demands from everybody else reared its ugly head on New Orleans’ Canal Street during the post-Katrina looting festival. It wasn’t stealing things… they were owed it by The Man and taught that mode of thinking by their skools and the urban culture.
viking01 on March 16, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Make that “Teachers who can’t speak English”
viking01 on March 16, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I haven’t heard anyone ask that but it was a topic of discussion on one of the HotAir threads. I think the way it was phrased was that for that 20 grand donation he should have gotten a complimentary signed copy.
Oldnuke on March 16, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Imagine if we had tape of McCain at a KKK rally, with his arm around David Duke. When confronted, McCain said Duke had been his Spiritual advisor for 20 years, but never heard him make inflamatory racists comments.
Could someone PLEASE tell me how this Obama/Wright relationship is any different.
Oh, I forgot, these are dimocrats. My bad.
SoldiersMom on March 16, 2008 at 4:02 PM
UCC issues statement
except for whitey
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9062.html
windansea on March 16, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Given the Obama’s income. $20k is paltry. He’s cheap too, another “Christian” non-tither.
Obama’s a politically dead man walking. We don’t like racists of any color in this country.
Mojave Mark on March 16, 2008 at 4:04 PM
It’s a good question, but it turns on the premise that there was only one way to establish it. Or should I say establish it with the people who most mattered to him. Now, I don’t know what ways did exist but there was this advice by Wright according to this story from January 2007:
Now that is not to say that these other black clergy might consider Obama authentically black otherwise. Maybe they wouldn’t. Maybe they would. Maybe it would never occur to them to think of him one way or the other as authentic because they would accept him as he was. I don’t know, ’cause I’m not black and don’t know how tangled this issue really was at the time. It does seem to me, however, that radical blacks might not consider Obama authentically black, if he weren’t radical also, so was his decision because he was looking to be accepted as not black, but a certain kind of black? Maybe one who didn’t want to appear too much like he believed in black prosperity theology while he and his wife did a pretty darn good job of applying those tenets?
BTW, I’m on page four of a Google Blogs search up to the time before Obama nixed Wright’s participation in his Feb 10 2007 Candidacy Announcement and I haven’t found anything I would consider as being enough of a “rough” views/speech revelation for Obama to bounce him from the event. I certainly haven’t seen anything close to what is being reported now. If Obama’s explanation was that what conservative blogs and radio talk shows were talking about initiated his concern, Obama was a wimp for doing it, considering he didn’t know anything about Wright’s really inflammatory rhetoric.
Dusty on March 16, 2008 at 4:17 PM
If you need “healthcare”, all you need to do is walk into an Emergency Room anywhere in the United States. No questions asked. Just ask 20 million illegal aliens……
What you need to ask is what they are really trying to take over, “Health Insurance”…..
Now, since your new to the United States, I will give you a break.
Starting with Social Security, name one, just one, Federal Government Bureaucracy of the United States, or any other country, that isn’t filled with waste, fraud, and abuse?
Just one….. and while I wait, I will use my FREEDOM while I still have it, to use the free market to provide for myself and my family, because it is MY responsibilty!
Seven Percent Solution on March 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I hate to bring this up, however. While most of us know Jeremiah Wright for what he is, and figure Barrack Obama agrees with his views. Most Obama voters don’t really care.
Oh, some will, the luster has worn off for a few, most will still vote for him. Many feel the same way! Many hear similar sermons in THIER CHURCH! Watch how fast most of the media drop Jeremiah Wright.
2theright on March 16, 2008 at 5:22 PM
At best these people only make up half the Democratic party. The important thing is that reasoning independents, swing voters, and Clinton Democrats will be repulsed by Wright, and be less likely to vote for the Messiah come the fall.
Pax americana on March 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM
I envision Michelle Obama sticking pins in the blue-eyed devil doll at the
Rezko-purchasedObama house.SouthernGent on March 16, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Gent, Better we stick a fork in the Obama’s. They’re done. Done in by their own hypocrisy. I’d be surprised if he’s electable as dog catcher. A side-by-side tape of his “change the tone and end the dividedness” next to Wright’s hatemongering rhetoric and “GD America” will haunt him for the remainder of his political life.
SoldiersMom on March 16, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Certianly plausible. But how realistic is it to warm the pew for 20 years? Pandering politicians are a given, but pandering for a couple of decades? A stretch.
James OK on March 16, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Wright (I refuse to call him “Reverend”) is a disgrace to the name Jeremiah.
The prophet he apparently was named after loved his country so much that Israel’s faults moved him to tears–he was known as “The Weeping Prophet”.
Wright hates his country over manufactured faults & wants God to “damn” it.
jgapinoy on March 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Can you people please give us your plan to pay off the $45 trillion shortfall you made just trying to cover old people before we give you any more of our money?
Please?
Chuck Schick on March 16, 2008 at 9:25 PM
It’s hard to cover your tracks when you keep going back and walk in the same place over and over. Welcome to the world of big league politics Obama. Must be the price you pay for living in a country controlled by rich white folks!/s If you don’t believe me ask Eliot Spitzer about rich white folks and their political fortunes!
wepeople on March 16, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Who said that?
Isn’t it interesting how a Muslim says such nice things about Obama?
Isn’t it interesting how both Obama and Wright have quoted Malcom X?
Red Pill on March 17, 2008 at 4:55 AM
That’s a lie. Bush has done more to help those living with HIV/AIDS than any other President. Bob Geldoff made a point of saying how the media was negligent in not giving Bush credit where credit is due.
If that’s not a “messiah” quote, I don’t know what one is!
Red Pill on March 17, 2008 at 5:01 AM
I think the answer to the exit question depends on whether he took his kids to listen to Rev. Wright preach. If he didn’t, then the expediency explanation makes some sense. If he did, then the true-believer explanation wins. Who would expose their kids to that if they weren’t true believers?
Extraneus on March 17, 2008 at 6:47 AM
Jesus H. Christ! Every person on that page is a certifiable nut job.
TheSitRep on March 17, 2008 at 6:55 AM
Pax Americana brings up a good point. Obama’s voters, so far, are a little over half the Democrat party. But exit polls have shown that Obama’s supporters are a mixture of African Americans and well-to-do white liberals and college students. Some of the latter will likely be turned off by Wright’s rhetoric about white people and rich people as oppressors.
I’m hoping that the blogs and talk radio don’t let this story die, and that someone can dig into Obama’s past and find out whether he has endorsed such positions as a candidate, IL State Senator, or “community activist”.
Obama is downright scary if he’s been listening to Wright’s rabble-rousing for 20 years. A black boy, abandoned by his father to his white mother and a stepfather in Indonesia, then Hawaii, then the streets of Chicago, who “dreams of his father” who has eight children by four different women. Sounds like one of those hippies of the 60’s and 70’s trying to “find himself”. Let him keep searching, but the White House is not the place to do it–the rest of the country can ill afford a Barack Wright Obama social experiment!
Obama himself talked about Wright as a proponent of black “liberation theology”, which is Marxism disguised as religion, and has been condemned as such (as practiced in Latin America) by the late Pope John Paul II, who experienced first-hand the bitter fruits of Marxism.
Steve Z on March 17, 2008 at 11:47 AM
…unless you’re white.
blankminde on March 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM