;)

Instead, you do exactly what I predicted and what I’m talking about vis a vis the people criticizing Obama: demonize and castigate anyone who questions Romney’s intolerant, hate-filled cult while at the same time attacking Obama with cherry-picked quotes. You are not only a hypocrite, you are intellectual vapid and dishonest. Your “point by point refutation” is nothing but your opinion, completely devoid of facts. Your opinion is that Obama is a racist hatemonger and Romney is pure as driven snow. It says more about you than it does about Obama. All you have done is show everyone what a hateful racist you are and how you despise black people.

Sorry doc(crap)weasel, no dice. I never called Obama himself a racist hatemonger. As far as Jeremiah Wright, by his own words I hang him as a racist hatemonger. Criticizing Barack’s support of this particualr parish is perfectly legitimate. What, Wright’s is the only United Church of Christ parish in all of Illinois, or even the Chicago area? Yeah, right.

The only one calling anyone a racist hatemongering cultist is you docweasel. You won’t hear anything else and you get turbo-defensive when someone points out your glaring hatred. You want to talk Cherry-picked quotes? Half your list is comprised of the boilerplate theological claims of every single world religion (e.g. good and evil exist, all other religions are incorrect, etc). The remainder does have some fairly bizarre teachings, but none of which seem to manifest themselves in Mormon behavior towards others.

I wonder what the Mormon-on-black crime rate is.

Hey docweasel, I agree Mitt is a heretic. So are McCain, Huckabee, Clinton, and Obama. They all teach things counter to Catholic doctrine, therefore by my Catholic standards they are all heretics.

You take it to the next step and claim they are cultists, and not just regular cultists, racist hate-mongering cultists.

Then you have the audacity (of ignorance) to claim I dispise black people because I haven’t joined you on the funny farm of Mormon hatred.

Fact: Jeremiah Wright is a hateful black preacher who chooses to condemn white people and America as part of his regular sermon themes.

Barack Obama has chosen not only to listen to this preacher for decades, but to personally fund his parish to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, and that was last year alone. Obama is complicit in Wright’s racism through both his attendance and his charity. His repudiation of that hatred now shows one of three things: he did not attend the sermons often making him a poor role model, he is perfectly fine with Wright’s hateful message making his “post-racial politics” a farce, or he’ll spend money like a drunkard on causes he hasn’t investigated thus making him a fool.

Fact: Whatever vices the Mormon religion may possess now or previously, no one was electing Mitt Romney as head of their church, nor was Romney trying to impose Mormon theology on voters.

The Mormon religion has publically repudiated racism, as has Mitt Romney. George Romney was a friend and aide to civil rights leaders. You at once call him a Mormon dynastic leader and then propose to say he’s violating the Mormon theology by not being sufficiently racist to live up to the supposed “dark skin = unclean” doctrine.

You’re spewing madness and personally insulting others. Get a clue docweasel, it is your screeds proving more and more who is prejudiced, not my responses to your fanatical lunacy. I need expend no effort to demonize you, you’re perfectly effective as doing it to yourself.

Were it so that Andrew Sullivan could even qualify as worthy to lick the dog pooh off of the sole of George W. Bush’s shoe, then Andrew might be someone of more significance than to be relegated to a mere footnote in the annals of journalistic ephemeral also rans.

May we hear no more of such an over sold bloviator as Andrew Sullivan and his pabulum, and may the sun shine on a new era of journalistic integrity, intelligence, and substance.

or here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3673.html

Instead, you do exactly what I predicted and what I’m talking about vis a vis the people criticizing Obama: demonize and castigate anyone who questions Romney’s intolerant, hate-filled cult while at the same time attacking Obama with cherry-picked quotes. You are not only a hypocrite, you are intellectual vapid and dishonest. Your “point by point refutation” is nothing but your opinion, completely devoid of facts. Your opinion is that Obama is a racist hatemonger and Romney is pure as driven snow. It says more about you than it does about Obama. All you have done is show everyone what a hateful racist you are and how you despise black people.

That’s the gist of your criticism of me, reversed. I don’t guess you see how idiotic and rationally retarded your argument is.

The bottom line is, haters like you declared religion off-limits in the case of Romney, but open season in the case of Obama, forcing him to repudiate, disavow, explain or denounce his own pastor and his own religion. That’s bullshit. You’re applying a double standard because the you disagree with the guy politically. I don’t support Obama for president, but I know hypocrisy and demagogery when I see it, and you’re practicing it. Its despicable. There are plenty of valid reasons to criticize Obama on the issues. People like you are dredging up racially loaded crap to make a subtle racist attack on the guy, and whether you’re democrat or republican you should condemn that.

Sullivan must drink a lot before he blogs.

Lincoln on March 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Probably Berry Blue Kool-Aid with a shot of Stoli vodka?

That’s just how easy I am and how starved for affection and acceptance.

docweasel on March 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM

Yeah, we could kind of tell the “starving for attention” bit with the hard-hitting “And THIS is why Mormons are evil!” bit.

It was clearly a cry for help.

Your suggested list, from a person who knows essentially nothing about Mormonism:

* According to Mormon scripture, the founder of your church (Joseph Smith) was told by God in 1820 that all the churches of the day were “an abomination.” Do you agree with God’s view of other churches, as quoted by Joseph Smith? (Pearl of Great Price, JS-Hist 1:18-19)

Joseph Smith is not and was not ever God. It’d be like condemning Christians for eating leavened bread because Moses disallowed it. Moreover, unless Mormonism commands Mormons to slaughter anyone who isn’t Mormon (like say, Islam does,) it doesn’t really matter how strongly worded God’s response was to the existence of other faiths. Every other faith could still be an abomination to God without Mormons being called to take a saber and kill the practitioners of the false faiths.

Nevermind we’re talking about what God supposedly said secondhand from Joseph Smith nearly two centuries ago vs. the hateful rhetoric spewed by Barack’s spiritual advisor last week.

* According to your church’s Articles of Faith, number eight, the Book of Mormon is the “word of God.” Do you believe that?

SHOCK! The adherents of a religion might have a religious book about which they might believe is divine? Impossible! Arrest that man, he believes in sacred books!

* According to the Book of Mormon there are only two churches: the “church of the Lamb of God [presumably the Mormon church]” and the “church of the devil,” “the whore of all the earth.” Do you agree with that Mormon scripture? (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

This is a theological teaching irrelevant to the Presidency. Otherwise its just another “there is good and evil in the world” that is standard fare in all monotheistic religions.

* According to the Book of Mormon a dark skin is a curse imposed by God on the unrighteous and their descendants as a punishment for sin. Do you agree with that doctrine? (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 12:22-23, Alma 3:6, 2 Nephi 5:21-22, Jacob 3:8, 3 Nephi 2:15-16, Mormon 5:15; references to the “Lamanites” are taken to be referring to Native American “Indians”.)

Even taken at the most literal and non-symbolic meaning, it would essentially condemn everyone who isn’t albino for having darker skin than anyone else. No one’s skin isn’t colored, so this passage is eith nonsensical, purely symbolic, or actually is racist and simply not practiced since its not an important article of faith.

* According to Mormon doctrine, the president of the Mormon church is a prophet of God, receiving revelations and commandments (God’s laws) directly from God. Do you believe that? (Doctrine and Covenants , 21:5, 43:3, 58:18)

In other words the president of the Mormons (not America, and not Mitt Romney since he was never the Mormon president) has sort of pope-like moral authority. There’s a shocking religious development.

I can’t really be bothered with the rest in a point-by-point refutation, but the summary is this:

You hate Mormons. You think they’re a cult. We get that. If you want to impose a religious test in your own mind on your favorite hated cult, you’re welcome to do so. Please don’t poison the rest of us with your nonsensical rantings.

Barack Obama’s preacher is solely responsible for his rhetoric because chances are the United Church of Christ does not endorse anything he says, and none of his vitriolic ramblings can be based in Biblical scriptures. In other word’s he’s a heretic. Barack’s spiritual advisor for 20 years is a hateful heretic, and if Barack were truly concerned about that for his and his family’s salvation he would have left that parish for a different UCofC parish long ago.

But he didn’t. Barack chose his spiritual advisor from one Parish. It isn’t about answering for the various articles of faith Jeremiah Wright espoused, but why Barack actively supported the teachings of a rank heretic in the tens of thousands.

Maybe you are electing a pastor. The rest of us are electing a President. Your hateful, illogical screed says more about you than it does about Mormons. Thanks for enlightening us to your bigotry so we can avoid you in the future.

Anyway, thanks for saying you did respect me in the past, I’m flattered! No one has ever said that. Of course, since a couple of writers on our blog use the name “docweasel”, it might not have even have been me you respected.

Still, thanks! Even being respected in the past tense, and even though it might not have been me, that made my day!

That’s just how easy I am and how starved for affection and acceptance.

Nozzle on March 15, 2008 at 4:42 PM

docweasel won’t be happy; not today, tomorrow, or any time in the near future… Something wrong with that little thing called “human spirit” with this creature.

It is my dream that in his last month in office, Bush will give an interview to a gay friendly publication. He would say that just as only Nixon could go to China, only a conservative, Christian Republican could get the country to accept gay marriage – but because the left chose to hammer him on every possible point, he didn’t have the political capital to do it.

Sullivan’s reaction would be enjoyable.

The sheer, bald hypocrisy and audacity of the former Romney backers who never addressed the racism, intolerance and sexism inherent in the cult of which Romney is a 3rd generation leader, and who now attack Obama over cherry-picked statements by his pa…

The sheer, bald hypocrisy and audacity of the former Romney backers who never addressed the racism, intolerance and sexism inherent in the cult of which Romney is a 3rd generation leader, and who now attack Obama over cherry-picked statements by his pa…

The LDS church has a good relationship with the Jewish community. Sure, there’s been a few flaps here and there, but we have good relations with them.

What intolerance have we, the LDS, preached? Unless you are like Andrew Sullivan and your life revolves around your sexual identity…. well, we don’t support homosexuality.

Still, docweasel, if your intent was to drum up support for the position of how intolerant the LDS faith is, I would suggest you pretty well failed miserably, and are going to acheive the opposite effect.

Obama and Wright, McCain and Hagee…it’s a wash in the general.

okonkolo on March 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Not in the same league, Hagee isn’t McCain’s pastor of 20 years, Hagee isn’t even the same denomination as McCain.

Also, Hagee doesn’t have links to Louis Farrakhan, and McCain doesn’t have links to terrorists like Obama does, also McCain’s Wife is proud of America.

Those same people who declared Romney’s religion out of bounds of political discourse are now cherry picking impolitic statements by Obama’s pastor and condemning Obama for them.

Hypocrisy and political expedience, pure and simple. No one who excused Romney’s disgusting, hateful theology have any grounds to rant about Obama’s pastor, including Capt. Ed.

docweasel on March 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I take it you were a Huckster supporter?