Mukasey: Don’t give 9/11 plotters what they want most Update & Bump: AOL Hot Seat Poll added
posted at 9:00 am on March 15, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Attorney General Michael Mukasey spoke at the London School of Economics today and surprised the audience with his comments on the application of the death penalty for the 9/11 plotters held at Guantanamo Bay. Given the administration’s support of the death penalty, they probably expected Mukasey to offer the usual justifications for it, especially for terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Mukasey argued instead that the US should not give them the martyrdom they seek, but rather a lifetime of obscure captivity:
U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey said on Friday he hoped the six Guantanamo prisoners charged with the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington would not receive the death penalty.
Speaking at the London School of Economics, Mukasey said the death penalty would allow the six, including the self-confessed commander of al Qaeda’s foreign military operations, to portray themselves as victims.
“I hope they don’t get the death penalty — they would see themselves as martyrs,” Mukasey said in response to questions at a talk on Anglo-American law enforcement.
Readers at Hot Air may not know it, but I oppose the death penalty — for normal criminal justice. In my opinion, the justice system makes too many mistakes and the application of the death penalty is too skewed along racial and gender lines to be just, let alone be perceived as justice. It makes martyrs out of people like Mumia Abu Jamal and Stanley “Tookie” Williams, who otherwise would have to rot for their crimes over an entire lifetime — and whose victims would not have to fight for decades before seeing their cases come to closure.
However, I do not oppose it for those who make war on the United States. If we catch Osama bin Laden, I’d volunteer to flip the switch, drop the trap door, or perform the injection. The same is true for those who plotted the 9/11 attacks, and the Khobar Towers bombing, the USS Cole attack, and the bombings of our embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998. They made themselves the enemy of our nation, and that comes with the biggest price tag of them all.
That doesn’t mean Mukasey doesn’t have a point. Most of these terrorists, with the possible exception of KSM, entered into this business with the hope of dying at the hands of the enemy, not rotting in prison for 60 years. They want a quick death, followed by a reception in a heaven where women are chattel for their sexual amusement. Without a martyr’s death, they not only will be denied a martyr’s afterlife but be guaranteed a long and miserable existence where they can only see the sun one hour a day. Most of these terrorists are young, and with proper medical care, they could live for decades.
Is there really a fate worse than death? Absolutely, especially for these lunatics. And that, strangely enough, may create more of a deterrent than hanging or lethal injection. If terrorists discover that capture means not a martyr’s death but a literally interminable prison sentence, the jihad may lose some of its luster. Zacarias Moussaoui received a life sentence for his role in al-Qaeda, and as the judge put it, he will “die with a whimper.”
Should we put these mass-murdering maniacs to death? Or should we deny them that which they desire above all, and have them die whimpering as wasted old men, forgotten by all but their jailers? I have to admit, it’s a tough choice.
Update (AP): I addressed this question last year vis-a-vis the blind sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman, who’s doing life for his role in the first WTC bombing. If Mukasey means that we should deny them death to deny Al Qaeda the propaganda tool of declaring them martyrs, that argument’s shot; follow the link and you’ll see why. If he means that we should deny them death to deny them the gratification of their fondest wish, this atheist has no qualms with giving the people what they want. Send them to the void. Life in prison’s no fun, but it’s something.
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Wait. You mean we wouldn’t release him in Manhattan for the locals to beat him to a pancake?
amerpundit on March 14, 2008 at 6:04 PM
The problem with letting them die “whimpering as wasted old men” is that eventually you’ll get people coming to their aid saying it was a youthful indiscretion. He’s learned his lesson. Let him live in peace.
I’d be all for a life of hard labor or something in lieu of the death penalty; but I’ll side with the cheaper of the options – after you factor in appeals and all that.
lorien1973 on March 14, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Hey, that works for me, too …
Ed Morrissey on March 14, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Eh, let ‘em rot. The thought of a toothless, old, shriveled jihadi does make me smile.
Theworldisnotenough on March 14, 2008 at 6:06 PM
You could send them to an anti-war protestor’s house. They love them so much; let them take responsibility for them.
lorien1973 on March 14, 2008 at 6:07 PM
If I was in charge, I’d give those Muslim Terrorists a very slow death.
I’d torture the hell out of them before having their wounds take their lives.
I’d send them to their 72 Virgins, but they’ll have to pay very dearly for it.
And once in their Allah’s paradise…Surprise! Surprise!
Where are the Virgins?!
Where is Allah?!
As for the death penalty for other crimes, in general, I prefer torturing to death.
But since we are a nation of sissies, and since inmates get better life than the middle-class citizen, I’ll go with the slow death.
Indy Conservative on March 14, 2008 at 6:09 PM
lol amerpundit
i would love to see them put to death.
but somehow the thought of them rotting slowly just seems a better and more miserable way for them to go, im all for that.
trailortrash on March 14, 2008 at 6:10 PM
The rest of their lives in a deep, dark hole in a supermax… with ham sandwiches for lunch.
Frozen Tex on March 14, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Ed… here is where we differ and I agree with Murksay.
Muslim martyrdom is not what I want. Rot away in jail forever more and gag the press on anything concerning them ever again. They did the crime, let them waste and do the time and become a mummy for their prophet of hate.
Concerning other and the death penalty, I am all for it. We have WAY to many Sexual Predators, Murderous refuge, all in all trash in the jails. My opinion is to give the sexual and murdering people the chair, injection.. whatever means possible. Americ has over crowding because of our laws, maybe it is time to have those laws changed… or send the convicted to Berkely. Maybe that will fix Berkely… on way or another.
Of course this is my opinion.
upinak on March 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Couldn’t they be sentenced to performing “public service” lectures around the country for the next 30 years about: “Hi. My name is Khalid and I’m a recovering terrorist”?
Thanks, but let’s go with R.I.P.
Lockstein13 on March 14, 2008 at 6:14 PM
I support giving the death penalty to terrorists. That way we know for sure that the terrorists can no longer hurt us. I’m sure you have all seen the stories about terrorists escaping prison, being let go through legal loopholes, or being released by sympathetic governments.
SoulGlo on March 14, 2008 at 6:19 PM
For people who kill a prison guard or a fellow prisoner while serving a life sentence or a police officer when facing a life sentence, you need to have a death penalty available that will stop the killing and violence. Whether the prisoner would like to die or not is not the issue. The issue is protecting others.
KW64 on March 14, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Letting them rot into obscurity, like Sirhan Sirhan, may be better deterrence than glorious martyrdom.
Realist on March 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM
The best punishment for them got the guards in trouble…having a female guard making them do whatever she wants is the perfect punishment for them.
But since people got their panties in a knot, maybe a more fitting punishment is to have them give Helen Hunt a bath, every day, forever, or have to do group therapy with a bunch of hippies.
Basically we should de-humanize them, de-moralize them, make them wish that they didn’t do what they did, as “humanely” as possible.
Conservative Voice on March 14, 2008 at 6:26 PM
The very same could be said for life sentences and 20 years sentences and 10 year sentences and 2 year sentences, so why not do away with them too?
I know that some would say but if the person is still alive mistakes can be corrected, but what are the odds and you can’t give the person back all those what would have been the best years of their lives, so let’s just do away with all of it then.
It would only be perceived as fair, wouldn’t it be?
MB4 on March 14, 2008 at 6:30 PM
harsh lighting?
CaptainObvious on March 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM
After making them serve 3 years in solitary confinement in a federal maximum security prison, transfer them to the closest state maximum security prison and let them suffer the most humiliating death in a blockhouse restroom. Don’t forget to tape it … the www is a powerful vehicle.
David in ATL on March 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM
MB4 on March 14, 2008 at 6:30 PM
I agree. You can not “help” someone who has been brain washed from birth.
Nor can you “help” those who are wired differently… such as sexual preditors. It just doesn’t happen.
upinak on March 14, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Execute them before Huckabee has a chance to grant them clemency…
innominatus on March 14, 2008 at 6:34 PM
I’m hoping you meant Helen Thomas here instead of Helen Hunt!
Jimnospin on March 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM
We should house them in cells with murals of Rosie, Joy and Whopie naked.
(yeah I know…..cruel and unusual punishment)
omnipotent on March 14, 2008 at 6:46 PM
If they would make them break rocks, or dig holes, or something else useful for the rest of their lives, I might be for letting them live. But to just sit in prison, watching TV, reading their koran, gabbing with their neighbors, etc. (this goes for regular prisoners also) that is hardly punishment. I have to work hard to get my room and three meals a day and TV privileges. Except for the lack of freedom (which would suck) they live easy for what they did (in most cases)
Corsair on March 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I do want them tried and fried and I’m not really to concerned about the tried part. (Yep, I’m getting really radical these days)
I don’t think we should hang them, shoot them, inject them or any of the other normal means of termination. I think they should be strapped down and fed alive to a herd of hungry hogs.
Think about it. That is about the most unclean death a moslim could suffer. And being eaten alive has a certain justice to it. It would allow them to think about those people who either jumped from the towers or rode it down.
evilned on March 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM
I certainly appreciate your concerns Ed. I am a strong supporter of capital punishment, even wishing it to be extended to rapists and child molesters. Executions should be public, perhaps available via web. If the state is going to kill people, we should all bear witness to it.
I recognise that our legal system is deeply troubled, and think we should be extremely stringent with the application of capital punishment, but I cannot justify abolishing an aspect of justice due to systemic failings. Fix the system.
LimeyGeek on March 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Yeah, I can think of worse things than giving Helen Hunt a bath…
Frozen Tex on March 14, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Jimnospin on March 14, 2008 at 6:43 PM
oops, yep meant Helen Thomas
Conservative Voice on March 14, 2008 at 6:51 PM
As a parallel, we did allow the Iraqis to execute Saddam. I know it’s a different country/justice system, etc. but I’m sure we were still involved to some degree. I have no problem with the death penalty for them, and I’m not convinced jihadists would actually react more strongly to executions than, say, Islamic cartoons.
OT, I thought I remembered from CQ that you are Catholic? This thread mentions atheism. Guess my memory’s faulty. Don’t I recall AP is atheist as well. Both HotAir posters? Now I need to make a joke tying atheism and hot air, but I’m coming up empty….
cs89 on March 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Heh. And cracklins for a bedtime snack.
BacaDog on March 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM
In addition to the ham sandwiches, can we pipe in podcasts of women’s and gender studies classes from universities across the country for several hours a day for a several years at least before we finally pull the switch? Maybe we’ll get lucky and the UN will define their punishment as “torture”?
kgs_mvs on March 14, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Oh, the update is AP’s.
Sorry….
cs89 on March 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM
evilned on March 14, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Ahhh since we live in a civil world (supposedly) how about making them ranch a Hog Farm? You can’t feed them to a hog, that would be cruelty to animals. But why not make them take take of hogs, pigs, piglets, boars etc.
Frozen tex.. WTF you sent your cold back my way! Ok just cause you are getting married does NOT mean you gotta send me cold… I was looking forward to gorebal warming! **whines**
upinak on March 14, 2008 at 6:55 PM
You mean hold of on the bacon and pork chops!
canopfor on March 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Exactly. No fuss, no fanfare, just kill them and dispose of the corpse as efficiently as possible. ‘Vanish’ them.
LimeyGeek on March 14, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Daggit,should be hold off,instead of,sorry!
canopfor on March 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM
I say introduce them to prison marrage. ITs not virgins they’re looking for.
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Given that they prescribe to the martyrdom and martyrdom is defined as extreme suffering, torment or death.
2 outta 3 aught to be good enough for them.
Kini on March 14, 2008 at 7:04 PM
I don’t like the death penalty for the criminal justice system either. I think there are a lot of people who don’t. I can understand the arguments for supporting it. They make perfect sense, I guess I’m just personally against it.
BadgerHawk on March 14, 2008 at 7:05 PM
All cats look the same
inunder thedarkburqaKini on March 14, 2008 at 7:08 PM
There are several Saudi students in my flight school class, and I get the impression that a prison marraige wouldn’t be that much of a punishment. Kind of like ‘women are for reproducing and men are for fun’ type of a thing.
BadgerHawk on March 14, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Almost all people can adapt and adapt well in prison. They also earn more privileges as time goes by and they behave. If Jews could adapt to the hell of Birkenau, these pussies can easily adapt to Gitmo or Supermax. Really, I hate making the comparison, but there it is. Execute them.
Blake on March 14, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Execution has a 100% deterrent effect. No one who is ever executed commits another crime. Off with their heads.
And and and, the sword used should have first been used to butcher hogs.
Mormon Doc on March 14, 2008 at 7:09 PM
“Obscurity?”
In the past year, I’ve seen more photos of the Gitmo prisoners than I’ve seen of Paris Hilton. And a hell of a lot more sympathy for them.
But can anyone name one American mainstream media outlet that’s tried to make a martyr out of any of the terrorists who’ve been killed so far?
Even the craziest moonbats know they can’t get away with publically claiming these terrorists don’t deserve death. But the accustations of “torture” gain endless traction.
logis on March 14, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Why just that? Why not something, as the liberals say, “Comprehensive” “STICK, DROP, TWANG, BBZZZ”
- The Cat
MirCat on March 14, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Does anybody think any of the three candidates remaining will keep them in dark, silent holes, away from the lawyers and the press? More likely, they’ll be Mumia, with the side risk of a breakout or other action designed to get them out.
steveegg on March 14, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Force them to watch videotapes of Hillary Clinton campaign appearances 24/7. And every once in awhile, slip in a couple of videotapes of Keef Olbermann’s show.
Del Dolemonte on March 14, 2008 at 7:38 PM
No, they’d see themselves as dead as extra-crispy bacon.
Others might see them as martyrs. Of course, those others would see them as comrades to bust out if they were given “life” sentences in lieu of the death penalty, so “martyrdom” is a bit overrated as a motivator.
steveegg on March 14, 2008 at 7:51 PM
That would be the shiz :)
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:11 PM
This is the worst kind of hyperbole, but you keep believing that, I will say quite clearly that I live much better than those at GTMO.
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:13 PM
Its not them Im worried about, they wont be going anywhere one way or the other. Martyrs are just that, along with being good recruiting tools. Old worthless men are a different story.
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:15 PM
If you think the Mac wont put them in an Alaskan gulag, youve got another thing coming.
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:16 PM
Maybe if we gave them some trials the pressure would ease up…just a thought.
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Amen, I agree, now shut up you are a dirty worthless liberal now…(sarcasm)
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:19 PM
I don’t think death per se is what they want. They want to die killing the infidels. Since they failed at that, a death sentence where you take the one way ride alone will torment them as much as anyone else. A hanging or firing sqaud would provide the right atmosphere for their last moments.
Hog Wild on March 14, 2008 at 8:44 PM
There are things far worse than death.
I don’t agree with torture either though – a slow quiet meaningless existence is the way to go.
At the same time, I have no problem with death penalty for rapists child predators etc.
A Axe on March 14, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Marty Davis – Chickaboomer.com is in D.C. right now this is a link to an interview 3/12/08 the third one down. I didn’t know Marty used to be a congressional wife. I knew she used to be a tv anchor. Wonderful Republican Lady Blogger. She would fit in your blog roll under industry :)
http://www.jimbotalk.net/Podcast-Page.php
Dr Evil on March 14, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Rudolf Hess — Spandau prison, who remembers? Who cares?
rockhauler on March 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Hasn’t the Blind Sheik, and countless imprisoned gang leaders, proven that incarceration does not eliminate ability to create mischief? How would they not be living martyrs anyway? Between Code Puke and CAIR and the pro-US-Sharia organizations that are likely to spring up during the remaining lifetimes of these global thugs, there will be plenty of aiders and abettors and foolish adorers. Virgin-fantasy denial sounds like fine punishment, but in war punishment isn’t the concern, it’s winning, surviving. These types are simply too dangerous to let live. Leave punishment to the afterlife, and if you don’t believe in such, that will work too.
Maquis on March 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM
The Death Penalty should be safe (swab the arm before the needle goes in), legal (some people deserve to die), and rare (there should be the highest of bars to overcome to implement).
That formula just seems to cover everything.
VolMagic on March 14, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:18 PM
If you are talking about a military trial then I am with you, but otherwise they are not citizens so do not fall under the bill of rights. They are prisoners of war.
As far as getting better treatment than the average guy, I think he meant average soldier serving overseas. They are well fed, receive free medical care, and are fairly well treated.
Conservative Voice on March 14, 2008 at 9:45 PM
I have been to GTMO a few times.
I am a advocate of Tribunals, certainly not civil trials (unless they were apprehended in the US like Mousaoui).
But they are not POW’s, they are irregulars, they have not earned POW status.
Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 10:01 PM
While I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, I feel the arseholes in Guantanamo should be locked away forever in Supermax. Toothless old goofy dudes rarely pick up hot chicks, either in bars in this life or in paradise in the afterlife.
I believe for the common, run of the mill murderers, a fair trail followed by a first class hanging would be best. If “life in prison” really meant that, maybe I could agree with that sentence. But too many lawyers want to free them once they beat the ultimate punishment. The defense lawyers are in it for the money, even if it springs a brutal killer.
Texas Nick 77 on March 14, 2008 at 10:11 PM
That post was written by Allahpundit. Perhaps that explains why you two have never been seen in the same room… or did I miss something, somewhere?
Paul_in_NJ on March 14, 2008 at 10:12 PM
And, may I add, once we get them into Supermax, can we dispense with the “halal” grub? Let them eat bacon & eggs for breakfast, ham sandwich for lunch and dinner. Washed down with cheap wine or beer.
Texas Nick 77 on March 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Maybe Mukasey was a Captain’s Quarters reader. In a Captain’s Quarters comment a couple years ago, I suggested this type shouldn’t receive the death penalty because to deny it would remove the anticipation of receiving the promised 72 virgins.
burt on March 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Except for very rare cases of overwhelming benefit to society, I am opposed to the death penalty precisely because I’m not an atheist, but believe, along with Plato, that what one does in this life affects one’s state in the next.
That is, my opposition to the death penalty is a spiritual one: I want people who commit serious crimes, the kind to be imprisoned over, to be given long time for serious contemplation. I want people in other words to be allowed [one can't force this] to repent. Indeed, this is the very idea of the penitentiary (whose inmates, like monks, live in cells for contemplation).
This is not being soft on crime though, because I believe very strongly in serving one’s entire sentence out (including and especially life sentences).
But for those who express a wish that evil-doers (which indeed these men are) should burn in hell, such is a very un-Christian attitude. That kind of judgement is not ours. Even in capital punishment, the formula is “I hereby sentence you to be hanged by the neck until you die, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I believe in the above for the hardened jihadists (whose deeds I hate but whose persons I do not, and who may require many decades of solitary to have their hearts softened and thus prepared for the afterlife [for those who will]) and I believe so working from the principle above. That such may be advantageous to us in our war against them, all the better (and here I incline to Morrissey’s reasoning over Allah’s.)
Tzetzes on March 14, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Two postscripts:
Again, I’m not for going easy on jihadists and if they can’t be captured or the risk is too great, put a bullet in them, for sure. In fact, let it be known to them that we dip our bullets in pig-lard.
Second, across from the penitentiary in Philadelphia is a coffeeshop called “Mugshots”. Their angle is that they put an extra shot of espresso in their mug of coffee, and are across from the prison. Clever, eh?
Tzetzes on March 14, 2008 at 10:29 PM
As a morally superior person, I think that life imprisonment is by far the worst and most severe punishment one could receive….therefore as an act of compassion I say let them know that they will be hanged in three days. Then hang them in three days.
Little Boomer on March 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM
They should never make it to Cuba, the helicopters should drop them 50 miles short from 2000 feet, that would give them plenty of time to reflect on their crimes. What the hell, then have the Apache shoot them in the water. Incase they broke bones and didn’t die, we still want to be humane.
2Tru2Tru on March 14, 2008 at 11:48 PM
This hairsplitting post is a waste of network resources. Ed, you’re undoubtedly being paid to write about things that matter. See that you do it.
Kralizec on March 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Ed is by far the best writer on this blog, this is an important question and leads to the larger question about what to do with everyone at GTMO.
Squid Shark on March 15, 2008 at 12:19 AM
If they wanted to be martyred, they’d have not been taken alive.
Fry ‘em!
clark smith on March 15, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Mr. Morrissey,
while I can understand and respect the argument you profer against the application of the death penalty in domestic criminal cases, I cannot endorse it. There is no system of justice in the world that is without imperfections. However, the overwhelming majority of the worst sort of scum who recieve a sentence of death do not deserve to be sustained for languid decades on the American taxpayers’ dollars.
This goes double for the, ahem, spitheads that we have captured on foreign battlefields. Their deluded satisfaction in believing they are about to be despatched by noose or firing squad to their pagan god doesn’t ammount to crap for me. I understand the point being made by Mukasey as well. It carries a certain philosophical appeal. However, for me, its negated by the transcendent joy that seeing their corpses dumped into an unmarked grave with the rendered-down fat of a dozen swine poured over them would bring.
In closing, I say f***-em’
Green 6 g, out
Green 6 golf on March 15, 2008 at 2:50 AM
It’s not a tough choice at all. No religious person should be given the death penalty because it’s too good for them. Why should they get the satisfaction of going “home to their God”, or Jesus, or Allah, or whatever idiocy they believe in that gives them comfort?
Any prisoner on death row who “finds God” should immediately have his or her sentence commuted to life without parole. At death, they should be cremated and dumped in the trash.
For Muslim terrorists? I don’t know, do cremated human remains make for a good fertilizer? Maybe their ashes could be used at pig farms.
But you know what? It wouldn’t matter. I’m sure there is something in the Koran or Hadiths that make an exception even for Muslims who don’t get to go out in a blaze of glory. There is pretty much no way a Muslim can die and not be considered a martyr. They’ve pretty much got all the scenarios covered.
If a Muslim gets the flu and dies, he’s a martyr.
Jaynie59 on March 15, 2008 at 6:28 AM
It far more expensive to execute than to keep for life.
Squid Shark on March 15, 2008 at 7:36 AM
Despite your good argument to the contrary, I would imagine, just at the rate we are, that the state has executed a few hundred of innocent folks since the penalty became legal again in the 70’s.
IMHO the govt killing one innocent american citizen is not worth 1000 Ted Bundy’s
Squid Shark on March 15, 2008 at 7:39 AM
Only because the government pays both the prosecution and defense lawyers. This certainly insures a long, drawn out series of appeals and delays the just punishment of murderers. If the President was given a line item veto, one thing I’d be lobbying for him to delete would be all funds for the Southern Poverty Law Center, and any other organization that delays justice.
Texas Nick 77 on March 15, 2008 at 9:21 AM
Why dont we get rid of Public defenders too?
Following your logic, this is what should happen.
Yeah appeals are horrible, except when they free an innocent person, those “justice-delaying” bastards.
In fact I think all defense attorneys “delay justice” they should just be summarily judged and sent to prison with no defense….
Squid Shark on March 15, 2008 at 9:47 AM
While I do wholeheartedly endorse the death penalty. I understand Mukasey’s point. My problem with it is that these particulates of excrement do not deserve a lifetime of imprisonment in conditions that are better than the $hitholes they grew up in.
A lifetime of hard labor, the lash, and bread and water I would be ok with.
conservnut on March 15, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Im telling you, Gulag in Alaska, a lifetime of license plates and suicide watch.
Squid Shark on March 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM
The death penalty is a waste of cheap labor. Make them slave away for the rest of their days. Plus, hard work is like kryptonite to most criminals.
Darth Executor on March 15, 2008 at 9:50 AM
Ditto dat!
conservnut on March 15, 2008 at 9:50 AM
I voted no because, in this case, killing them makes them a martyr for their cause.
Pam on March 15, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Yeah, she might be a knuckleheaded liberal, but I’d give Helen Hunt a bath every day…
Jaibones on March 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM
I wonder how we got on that topic? Ah…HotAir!
Jaibones on March 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I’m for the rotting in prison option
AbaddonsReign on March 15, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Make them watch The View everyday for 8 hours.
Sorry, that’s cruel and unusual.
mkstach on March 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Setting the punishment on the basis of the emotional state of the criminal is as unjust as hate crime laws, and for the same reasons. Plus, we don’t really need criminals gaming the system by begging to die, thereby using reverse psychology against the court.
The punishment by death is what brings closure to the victims, and is just. The opinion of the criminal regarding the sentence doesn’t mean crap.
Besides, the fate worse than death for these guys starts right after the death penalty is carried out. I don’t even wish it on them.
TexasDan on March 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Absolutely agree with the AG. If possible these animals would die this A.M. at the hands of the evil Satan. Let them rot in solitary. Allowed out for exercise 1 hour per week, alone. Shower once a week 15 minutes, alone. No visits, no communication with outside.
pueblo1032 on March 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I think you all know how I feel NUKE ‘EM ALL! LET GOD SORT ‘EM OUT That’s the way I feel…I’m NOT sorry for that.
They want to kill us, man woman and child. They don’t care if we are democrat, republican, pro or anti death penalty. If they can’t convert us they want to KILL us! You can either become muslim slaves or become dead! I say KILL THEM FIRST! maybe they’ll find their virgins or maybe they’ll find virginians with guns! :)
Vntnrse on March 15, 2008 at 11:59 AM
I’m not a supporter of the death penalty, but I try to decide on the basis of how much influence someone has on the outside world from inside the cell. This one is a tough one because of the martyr aspect. I have to think about it some more.
Connie on March 15, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Well, I’m all for the death penalty. Letting jackass murderers like Tookie linger only means I get to pay for his existence for years longer. Dead murderers are a lot cheaper than live ones to room and board in prison. As far as I’m concerned, cremate them, and pour their ashes down the nearest sink or toilet. Same for al-Qaeda.
Just be sure to douse them in pig blood, before executing them.
Virus-X on March 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I’m with Allah on this one. Having a woman shutting out their lights would be a pretty good deterrent. Imagine the humiliating shame of it.
But, I’m a supporter of the death penalty anyway, both because it is justice, and because it is an effective bargaining tool when deals need to be made. It’s amazing how many killers fear death once they themselves are faced with it.
That being said, I know the popular wisdom is that men like Bin Laden want to die a martyr’s death, but I don’t entirely buy it. I think the higher echelon Jihadists use that as an incentive for their depraved and ignorant foot soldiers, but I think they themselves prefer to live.
Buy Danish on March 15, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Well, if you want to keep the bad guys alive after conviction so they can suffer, the most effective idea I’ve had is to amputate their arms and legs and put them in a charity ward somewhere, preferably one run by a religious organization that is not Islamic.
As to the problem of accidentally executing the innocent: if, after a truly thorough investigation and a fair trial, the wrong person was executed, the blame lies not with the government but with the person who committed the murder in the first place. If he is ever discovered, he should be convicted of two murders, not one.
njcommuter on March 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Until we get serious and shoot the terrorist with bullets soaked in pigs blood and bury them covered in pigs intestines, we will not win.
Johan Klaus on March 15, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Look, they’re going to be considered martyrs regardless of what happens. I say, reward them with 72 Virgins (virgin goats).
second digit on March 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM
Discouraging martyrdom:
Didn’t the British bury ‘em with bacon or something. I can’t find a reference on the internets, but I know they did something like that. Buried ‘em under pig farms?
Or maybe I’m thinking of the Sepoy Mutiny. Amutiny over the rumor that the British were greasing their rifle cartridges with beef and/or pork fat. That’s something to mutiny over.
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(Maybe start a death penalty thread.) The justice system making too many mistakes is an argument against any punishment for any crime not caught on tape.
The application is too skewed along racial and gender lines? Would that have anything to do with the fact that men and blacks commit the vaast majority of death-penalty crimes?
Superficially compelling, but it doesn’t move me. The “innocents” who get executed are not innocent in any normal sense of the word. Maybe innocent of this particular death-penalty crime, but the police don’t go out and grab, say, ministers (of the non-crazy kind) and charge them with the death penalty. The person they charge is just about always a ciminal, of the violent variety, not a nice upstanding member of the community.
And as far as it being more expensive to kill ‘em than keep ‘em for life: blame liberal moron judges and substantive due process. A whole area of law that is an oxymoron.
misterpeasea on March 15, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Attorney General Michael Mukasey you magnificent bastard!
He said this in Londonistan where many of these poopheads will read about this. Wonder what the buzz is over there?
cjs1943 on March 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Its too far for me to look back and read who suggested feeding them to hungry hogs but that sounds good to me.
I used to raise hogs, not professionaly but enough to know some can be kinda mean ! A few, REAL MEAN. Yea, feed them to the hogs !! No sedation beforehand either.
2theright on March 15, 2008 at 2:56 PM
fallacious at best, true, blacks commit more DP crimes as a whole, they are also wrongly convicted more often as well as recieve the DP more often for the same crimes in the same jurisdictions as whites. These numbers get even worse when you include Hispanics.
Yeah if they are picked up by the cops they MUST be guilty right. Do me a favor, go out and rent “Murder on a Sunday Morning” and tell me that people cleared in DP cases deserve to die because they must have been doing “something”.
Id love to see stats on this, but since they dont exist, I will not hold my breath. You assume alot, and you assume wrongly. As I said, watch “Murder on a Sunday Morning”, it happened here in Jacksonville, my wife works with most of the players, it is a very disturbing story.
Leading back to mhy original point. You are essentially saying that we should throw out appeals because we NEVER wrongly convict someone.
Squid Shark on March 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM
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