Obama Uses Viral Video from Political Wire reports that Senator Barack Obama has distributed a new video in which he denounces his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright – and is encouraging others to pass it on – trying to…

Isnt that more the result of the actions of liberal/socialist/communists as himself?

Conservative minded have tried, with no success, to lift the agricultural tariffs that the above enforce in order to protect their market

Its amazing how these assholes conditions for hating America and freedom loving capitalist’s is in large created by them.

The Wrong Rev. Wright is clearly a grown up “Panther” that has found his position of effluence. Anyone that has sat in his congregation is bound to feel the backlash (guilt by association) is enough to derail them.

The Wrong Rev. Wright’s actions also highlight the level of hypocrisy the left will use to gain power-they have no problem killing their own for power over all.

Anyway, moving to point-by-point refutation (I’d do this on your blog, except you won’t let anyone comment on your absurdities):

* According to Mormon scripture, the founder of your church (Joseph Smith) was told by God in 1820 that all the churches of the day were “an abomination.” Do you agree with God’s view of other churches, as quoted by Joseph Smith? (Pearl of Great Price, JS-Hist 1:18-19)

Hmmm, this is refuted by THE VERY QUOTATION FROM CAPTAIN ED THAT YOU USED IN YOUR ARTICLE. You know, the “more than 100 years ago” response. Romney is not obliged to answer for what Mormons thought of other religions 190 years ago. Especially not if this doesn’t translate into a prescription for action today (you know, like the Muslim prescription for action regarding non-Muslims, which STILL doesn’t automatically incriminate all Muslims out there).

* According to your church’s Articles of Faith, number eight, the Book of Mormon is the “word of God.” Do you believe that?

No. Way. Mormons think the Book of Mormon is holy? It MUST be heresy. Is there some kind of rhetorical rule against demolishing straw men the opponent sets up for you?

* According to the Book of Mormon there are only two churches: the “church of the Lamb of God [presumably the Mormon church]” and the “church of the devil,” “the whore of all the earth.” Do you agree with that Mormon scripture? (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

Of course, no context is provided. Without the context, there’s no reason to assume that the bad church is of any particular religion or even a tangible church – it could be a symbol for devil-worship, or of US Congress for all I can tell from what’s given. Is this supposed to be a genuine question? How can I tell, when it’s so ridiculous? Furthermore, now we’re getting into the “well, the book says this, so he’s bad!” arguments. Are we next going to castigate Jews because the Old Testament forbids homosexuality?

* According to the Book of Mormon a dark skin is a curse imposed by God on the unrighteous and their descendants as a punishment for sin. Do you agree with that doctrine? (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 12:22-23, Alma 3:6, 2 Nephi 5:21-22, Jacob 3:8, 3 Nephi 2:15-16, Mormon 5:15; references to the “Lamanites” are taken to be referring to Native American “Indians”.)

Is the question “Are you a racist?” going to somehow become a better question because you attached a religious quote to it? Now I know why nobody’s asking these questions; they’d get laughed out of the room.

* According to Mormon doctrine, the president of the Mormon church is a prophet of God, receiving revelations and commandments (God’s laws) directly from God. Do you believe that? (Doctrine and Covenants , 21:5, 43:3, 58:18)

According to the Old Testament, God talked to people, According to the New Testament, God talked to people. Why are you shocked that according to Mormonism, God might still be talking to people?

* One of the most sacred rituals for adult Mormons, performed only in a Mormon temple, is a ceremony called “the endowment.” Have you undergone this ritual? If so, in what year?

* To be admitted to the temple for the endowment ceremony a Mormon must be “in good standing” in the church and undergo a personal interview with church leaders, who examine the member as to whether the member obeys church commandments, supports church leaders, pays full ten percent tithe, wears the prescribed Mormon underwear, abstains from coffee, tea, alcohol, tobacco and extramarital sex, and other matters. If the member answers correctly, a pass to the temples (called a “temple recommend”) is issued, good for two years. Do you have such a temple recommend now, indicating that you are in good standing in your church?

Obviously these two questions are meant to go together, but it’s not obvious what they’re getting at. Is is somehow a bad thing if Romney is in good standing with the Mormon Church? Is it somehow a bad thing if he isn’t? What exactly is the point of this?

* In the secret Mormon temple ceremony Mormons take an oath of obedience to “the law of the Lord.” Did you take that oath?

Well, it’s no more ridiculous than having witnesses in court swear on the Bible. Again, is there any point to this question other than to figure out whether Romney is really Mormon or not?

* Before 1990, the endowment ceremony required members to take an oath of secrecy not to reveal anything that happened in the temple under penalty of death. Did you take that oath?

Who cares?

* In the temple ceremony Mormons also take a secret oath to “consecrate your time, talents and everything which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints…” Did you take that oath? Would you consider the office of the presidency of the U.S. to be a “blessing” with which the Lord had blessed you?

No, Romney isn’t going to consider his happiness in this life a blessing from the Lord. It must be a lie. Like the cake. You know, this refutation is getting really boring. All these questions are meant to SOUND incriminating, but they never actually get there.

* Mormons teach that by obedience to all the commandments of Mormonism, a Mormon may attain the highest degree of heaven and ultimately become a god, creating and ruling over his own universe. Do you believe that? Is this your ultimate personal goal?

“Mormons teach” – what an ambiguous phrase. Is this supposed to be another part of the Book of Mormon, or is it something that’s commonly taught, is it something a few radicals espouse, or what? Who cares what Romney’s plans for the next life are, anyway? Are they going to somehow affect your judgment of his actions in this one?

* Although your church presently condemns the practice of polygamy, the scripture commanding it is still in the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132. Many early Mormons were polygamous and married (”sealed”) to numerous wives “for eternity.” Do you believe then that there will be polygamous families in Mormon heaven?

This is the lamest question ever. Even if polygamy retroactively became a sin, even a Protestant would say that’s just more time spent in purgatory, assuming you lived your life in a generally virtuous way.

* The extensive interest of Mormons in genealogical research is to enable them to perform “baptisms for the dead,” thus posthumously inducting previous generations into the Mormon church. Many non-Mormons become angry when they learn that the names of their ancestors – having often been faithful members of some other religion during life – have been used in this way. often without permission of the living descendants. The posthumous baptism of many Holocaust victims caused considerable anger among Jewish groups, and your church agreed to stop the practice as to them (but admitted that it was unable to do so). Do you feel that such anger is justified? (Would you feel anger if some voodoo cult was using your deceased grandparents’ names in some voodoo ritual, and then announcing to all the world that they were now voodoo worshippers?)

And Romney is condemned for the well-intentioned but misguided action of Mormon leaders over half a century ago because…why?

* It is well documented that Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon Church, secretly had many wives. Some of those women were at the same time married to other men, some were as young as fifteen, He claimed that he was commanded by God to enter into these marriages. Do you feel that these early marital practices of the church founder were really commanded by God? (See the book In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith by Mormon historian Todd Compton for detailed biographies of these wives.)

Hey, if all those wars the Old Testament documents weren’t sinning because God said they weren’t, why can’t the same overriding authority be applied to polygamy?

* Mormons believe that when Christ returns to earth, a millennium of peace will begin under Christ’s rule (Article of Faith number ten), presumably as a single theocracy. Most Mormons believe that during that time, Mormons will be Christ’s appointed officers and that the law will conform to Mormon teachings. Do you believe that?

Translation: If the Mormons turn out to be right, do you think the Mormons will be rewarded for being right? Answer: Who cares?

* According to Mormon scripture (Doctrine and Covenants 135:3) Joseph Smith did more than any other man except Jesus Christ “for the salvation of men in this world.” Do you agree with that, keeping in mind the contributions of men like the Apostles, Saint Paul, Thomas Aquinas, Saint Augustine, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, and others?

No way, the people who thought Smith was a prophet put him above people who weren’t prophets. Unthinkable.

Damn, dude, why did I waste my time with this drivel when I could be sleeping? I love how you try to pull the moral equivalence stunt with Wright’s conspiracy theories. For your next trick, I suppose you’ll prove that Joseph Smith caused cancer…or something.

The feebleness of your attacks only justifies to me the suppression of them by mainstream conservative thinkers. Spewing idiocy like this will only make conservatives look bad.

This is pretty hilarious. The same fucking rightwing blogs that declared Romney’s racist, sexist, intolerant cult to be out of bounds for criticism or discussion are now piling on cherry picked quotes about Obama’s minister. You can find plenty of really hateful slurs against blacks, Jews, Catholics etc. in the book of Mormon, but, partly because of blind hatred for McCain and Romney being his main competition, blogs, just like this one, refused to allow any debate on that.

Actually, what’s really hilarious (but not surprising) is that you have no f***ing clue who Ed actually supported. I won’t give any hints, but it starts with a “Fred” and ends with a “Thompson”. And if we’re talking “racist, sexist, intolerant,” why aren’t there women priests n other branches of Christianity? Break out the torches and rakes and other handy implements, let’s storm the Vatican!

Link me to ONE FUCKING article where Allah or anyone else talks critically about the hate filled crap Romney teaches and gets taught by his minister every fucking day of the week. Romney is a 3rd generation elder in a dynastic family of Mormon leaders. Obama just attends the church.

The sad thing is, I probably could link you to an article on Captain’s Quarters that does just that if I felt like expending the effort. Since I don’t, you’ll just have to suck it up. And your comment only illustrates why Obama’s choice is more damaging – there’s less personal damage involved in not making the choice. Imagine Romney’s position as a child of the second dynastic elder of the Mormon community. Imagine trying to renounce your religion and most likely your family name because bits of the holy book disparage black people. Now imagine Obama’s choice between listening to Rev. Wright’s rhetoric and…going to a different church. That Obama chose to listen to Wright despite the ease of not doing so demonstrates that he doesn’t find it all that objectionable. Not so in Romney’s case.

Now you can debate the relative evilness of what Wright says vs. the Book of Mormon all day: the point is, its JUDGING SOMEONE’S RELIGION, which none of us has the right to do, in fact, if you ARE a Christian, Jesus told you DIRECTLY NOT TO DO IT, FUCKWITS.

Idiot. I can finally say it because you finally made it clear that you missed the entire point of the discussion. WE’RE NOT DISCUSSING OBAMA’S RELIGION. Being a card-carrying member of the United Church of Christ is not the objectionable thing here. The objectionable thing is that he sits and listens to Wright (and helps support him financially) as Wright makes these ridiculous speeches, when it wouldn’t be difficult to distance himself from all that. On the other hand, your assaults on Romney’s Mormonism are definitely judging religion, though your judgment is incredibly weak if this is the best you can offer. I’d hope you could come up with more, except then I might have to do another monster comment like this, and I don’t want to do that.

I think this is a BIG TIME issue for Obama. Now he appears a liar and it puts Michelle Obama’s comments plainly in context.

This is a deal-killer for many independents, including myself and much of my family.

Clearly the sleazy Clinton’s leaked this, and bully for them. It is best to know such associations now than later.

And Ed….please this “docweasel” does not meet the civility requirements. He is unhinged.

franksalterego on March 15, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Not to mention that McCain is Episcopalian. Now that’s a denomination in which you can see clearly where their conservatives and liberals are.

A couple of important things to remember…

Rod Parsley is based in Ohio…McCain is from Arizona.

McCain is often, mistakenly quoted saying, “Parsley is MY spiritual guide.”…Not true.

McCain called Parsley, “A spiritual guide”

see the difference?

There is a silver lining for Obama with the revelations of what Reverend Wright has been saying. Now instead of just getting 90% of the black vote, he is sure now to get 98%.

mhexel on March 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM

Sad, but possibly true, if as some have indicated that this type of preaching is common for black congregations.

docweasel on March 14, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I am so weary of people misquoting and misinterpreting Christ. Christ did not say we are not to judge, he said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” If you judge another, you’d better be fully prepared to be judged. This is about accountability–I can’t stand around pointing out everyone’s failings and then expect a hands-off approach to me.

The Bible is loaded with references to accountability and how to confront people when they are doing wrong. Telling people they are not supposed to judge is a complete twisting of Scripture by those who either do not want to stand up to scrutiny, or who lack the moral courage to tell the truth to others.

The campaign and talk radio are now boiling with the controversy over Barack Obama’s pastor. Here’s our linkfest taking you Around The Sphere. NOTE: Links and quotes do not necessarily represent the viewpoints of TMV or its co-writers.
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You are a sick misinformed twit.

I’m so confused.

And while you are at it, oh master of things Biblical, why don’t you give me chapter and verse where Christ called people “fuckwits”?

This “pastor” does not preach the Gospel of Christ crucified and resurrected. He preaches hate and lies. Prove me wrong.
Talon on March 14, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Talon, docweasel has taken the red pill, don’t wait up…

Can we take down that caucasion hating bulldyke Oprah, too?

peacenprosperity on March 15, 2008 at 12:49 AM

That’s gotta be the post of the day… for dKos or HuffPo to quote.

Barry is imploding on Fox.
Telling some pretty unbelievable statements.
If the media wasn’t in his jock, they might want to follow up.
But if Mitt Romeny said some of this, they would, for sure.

benrand on March 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM

That’s because whenever anything comes out of Willard’s mouth, everyone in their right mind already knows that he is lying and that you can’t believe a word out of his mouth!

A bigger phony in the republican party has never existed!

He is a pro Reagan/anti Reagan, abortion loving and abortion hating, lying politician who would have done more for the homosexual agenda than ted kennedy and less at the same time. “Whatever helps me get elected.”

Once a liar both a sinner and untrustworthy. Unpresidential.