God bless John McCain

God damn those who would sell this nation to the dogs.

Can these two statements be reconciled? Some say no.

sharinlite on March 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Great Post

“John McCain is a resolute and principled warrior. That’s why some can’t stand him. Witness what he did to blow the whistle on the Boeing/USAF double dealing on that proposed tanker deal. He just won’t back down from that type of corruption and special interest lobbying. He also has TOO HONEST a response some time which some find absolutely insensative and irksome while others find it refreshing and bluntly direct. The key question is do you think either Obama or Hillary would protect our country and way of life better than John McCain. Do you think Hillary or Obama would appoint federal judges who would decide cases on the constitution and current law or on what they think is best for us? And do you care about any of this?

I know you do. And I think the closer you look, the more comfortable you will become with John. He’s the real deal. And when he could have sat on his butt, and let Ernie Brace and I get caught with comm notes which would have subjected us to some harch torture at that time, John created such a scene as to warn us and bring certain punishment to himself. He stood up heroically against torture and cruel capturers while many others lay low and tried to stay out of harms way. Not John. He was a hero among heroes in my book and I shall be eternally grateful to him on a personal level So I am not totally objective for a change on the choice of our next president. But you asked. More to follow I am sure.”

I can’t say it better than that with his misspellings and all.

(or as the McCain’s apologists and supporters would call them “document-challenged Americans”).

I am a supporter and I call them illegals, so do most…

Why is it so hard for your people to acknowledge that McCain’s exemplary military record isn’t unique?

I never said that there were not others…

Few were given the opportunity he was. By all accounts, McCain WAS exceptional in the camp. He was treated far more harshly and was extra belligerent to boot. While heroism abounded in the POW camps, McCain was an exceptional case in many ways, including his singular dedication to his mates and his duty. His actions were on par in many ways to those of VADM Stockdale (who self-mutilated to keep from being propagandized).

The summary point I suppose is?: Yes he did what was expected of any other in the same circumstance, the circumstances are what was unique and defined his experience.

As far as immigration is concerned…I would love a wall, but make it easy to come through the gate. I have only three criteria…1. Know English. 2. Have a strong desire to be an American, not a hyphen American, an American. 3. Don’t have a criminal record. Make it hard to have a job or welfare or an education or ( insert state program ) if here illegally, and they will leave on their own.

There is only one condition that I would accept amnesty…
we get 1000 Mexicans per trial lawyer or congressman.

His special status arose exclusively from his family, which gave him the bad kind of attention.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 9:54 PM

And my point was that he was doing his duty by the Code of Conduct when he refused early parole. It wasn’t (as his ad claims) an extraordinary act of heroism. It was what was expected of him and any other officer in the same circumstance.

Why is it so hard for your people to acknowledge that McCain’s exemplary military record isn’t unique?

To the fellow who said it’s not realistic to deport all the illegal aliens I would ask, how do we know if we don’t at least try???

poodlemom on March 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM

I like your style and attitude.

It is unrealistic to make a policy of deporting all illegals (or as the McCain’s apologists and supporters would call them “document-challenged Americans”). We could do round up all the illegals without a doubt but the comparisons to Nazi Germany’s treatment of Jews would swing the political spectrum far to the left.

I used to live in the agricultural part of California filled with illegals and I know how hard they work. I currently live in New Orleans whose recovery is partially built on illegal labor- to the point I’m eagerly expecting Cajun-Mexican fusion to be the next big trend in cuisine. Among all the vermin McCain wanted to give citizenship there are many good people.

We need a two-fold approach. Crack down on illegals by cracking down on the employers who hire them. Lack of jobs and many illegals will self-deport. Combined with that, however, is a legitimate “guest worker” program that provides for employment but not citizenship.

My ancestors (and probably yours) immigrated here and became Americans. I’ve seen the census records that show my Great Grandparents and Grandparents were German-born citizens. This is far different from illegal aliens from Mexico working in the US with no intention of staying or becoming citizens. Mexico’s economy depends on the continued support of “Document-challenged Americans.” McCain is a worthless fool when it comes to dealing with this issue by legitimate measures.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM

McCain was a LCDR, he was not even close to being the ranking guy there. It is not anything to be agreed with high, he was not the ranking officer at the Hanoi Hilton and James Bond Stockdale, vice-presidential candidate in 1992, was.

I have no hatred for you, I dont know how you think I am a Stepford Republican, since you have accused me of being a liberal in the past…

I was correcting something that was an incorrect point, being that McCain was in solitary for a huge portion of his time there (for being insubordinate to his captors), his responsibilities as a LCDR in a camp of mostly other 0-4′s and 0-3′S was minimal at best.

His special status arose exclusively from his family, which gave him the bad kind of attention.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:35 PM

I don’t agree with McCain’s status but that doesn’t really matter. Deal with the rest of the post instead of selective hatred toward ME because I am not one of you “Stepford Republicans.”

John McCain IS NOT the only VN POW to serve in Congress.

No, but he’s the only one who’s currently running for president, and some of the public don’t know about his biography. What on earth is wrong with informing the electorate? I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam Johnson and Jeremiah Denton let it be known during their congressional campaigns that they were POWs. They would have been idiots not to.

Sam Johnson has a safe seat, and he doesn’t have to tell his long time constituents who he is. And he’s campaigning for McCain.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Sorry NoDonkey, I don’t feel that McCain is the best Republican candidate, but of the 3 now running he is the best choice. I plan to vote for him in November.

That being said, I find it unseemly that McCain is party to so much attention being paid to his former POW status. John McCain IS NOT the only VN POW to serve in Congress. The fact that I can’t remember the other fellow’s name is a pretty clear indicator that not all POWs are so quick to draw attention to themselves.

As I’ve said before, I will be voting for McCain in November. I just won’t be skipping off to the polls with a song on my lips or joy in my heart!!

To the fellow who said it’s not realistic to deport all the illegal aliens I would ask, how do we know if we don’t at least try???

Alden Pyle on March 14, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Why do marines ride on Navy ships?

Because farm animals would be to obvious!

I can do this all night, ive heard em all.

Not only was McCain the ranking officer- responsible for the well being of those under him,

Mac was not the ranking officer, not even close.

The ranking officer was James “Who am I?” Stockdale, who violated the code of conduct by ordering a moratorium on escape attempts.

Roger Waters on March 14, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Carol? Carol Shepp, is that you? No it couldnt be because Carol had an amicable divorce with McCain and still supports him…

his decision to stand on principle and reject the offer of early release. It says he believes in something greater than himself. Not sure if I, or most others, could have made that decision.

mikeyboss on March 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Hate to burst the bubble of McCain apologists but this is part of McCain’s “doing his duty” not standing on principle. Section III of the Armed Forces Code of Conduct states

If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

He would have betrayed his oath had he accepted parole while sick, wounded, and those who had been held longer were still in captivity. Not only was McCain the ranking officer- responsible for the well being of those under him, his daddy was CINCPAC meaning accepting parole would have been a PR coup that would have put him in the same Vietnamese “Hall of Heroes” that Kerry is lauded. In short, McCain was doing his duty and that has never been in question (at least by me).

That being said to make this into something “greater than oneself” is absurd and you sir demean the military by suggesting that this was a rare act of courage. Haven’t you been paying attention to all the selfless acts that have occurred in Iraq? You saying VN POWs were made of lesser stuff?

So sit there and bitch and moan about McCain and have the balls to REALLY start bitching when one of the Touchy-Feely, Nanny State, Yer entitled to everything because yer breathing asshole takes office….good effort on not compromising yer ideals….

Just like Kerry! Maybe these two should team up for a patriotic dynamo ticket!

A damn fine President he will be. Right man, right time, right job.

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM

You are my and Juan’s kind of Gringo, a very subordinado one.

You will do well in los nuevos Estados Unidos de la Gran Mexico when Juan becomes el Presidente.

God bless America

God damn those who would sell this nation to the dogs.

I think he did at C-PAC and his support of our troops and the war effort in the face a relentless storm of Democrat opposition proves that he doesn’t do the bidding of that party.

I want him to do what’s best for him to win this fall. If that doesn’t include “reaching out to conservatives” any more than he has, that’s OK with me.

I just don’t want any traitorous, America hating Marxist in the White House come November, and that’s what we’re going to have if it’s not McCain. That makes me overlook a lot, perhaps, but that’s how I feel.

Asking for just a little respect for him doesn’t seem too much to ask from “conservatives”.

I don’t think any conservative disrepects him per se, NoDonkey.

I, for one, would like to see the man who’s been able to reach out to the Dems, to the Independents, to the undocumented workers simply reach out to conservatives. Is that too much to ask for?

Finally, I’ve not said a thing against McCain’s military record but I do think the candidate himself running ads telling all that imply he was a better POW than all the rest demeans the sacrifices of other POWs and most certainly the MIAs who didn’t have a chance to come home and run for high political office on the wife’s fortune.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM

I don’t get how this demeans anyone. If I say “Hire me because I’m a good doc,” does that demean all other good docs? He’s not running against any other POWs. And the major point to me is not his being captured and tortured, but his decision to stand on principle and reject the offer of early release. It says he believes in something greater than himself. Not sure if I, or most others, could have made that decision.

That being said, I do however question is his senatorial decision-making…which is why I choose not to vote for him for POTUS.