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McCain’s new POW ad: 35 years ago today…

posted at 2:07 pm on March 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A study in character, fortuitously timed to coincide with the Messiah’s Wright headache. He rolled out a 12-minute ad about his time in Hanoi last August, when he was in dire straits and needed to rehabilitate his image after the shamnesty debacle. This one’s a narrative-framer for the general. There’s not an independent in America who won’t be more inclined to vote for him after watching it, needless to say.

Exit question: Given the narrative the Democrats are framing about his candidacy, who’s the real target of this ad? Think hard. Harder…


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“Exit question: Given the narrative the Democrats are frame about his candidacy, who’s the real target of this ad?”

………. ummmmmmm, the Huffington Post?

Seven Percent Solution on March 14, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Don’t mean to nitpick, but the black non-outlined text is hard to read; looks kind of amateur.

Hannibal Smith on March 14, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Wow – very very powerful

jake-the-goose on March 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Not going to get me to click to Huffpo. Naughty, naughty AllahP.

KelliD on March 14, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Well done. Nothing overtly political about it, it’s not an attack ad but a character and principal ad for McCain.

Yakko77 on March 14, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Yeah, if we can have a video like that played next to Obama’s preacher going off like an Indymedia editor and the majority of the nation still goes for Hugo del Norte, I’d say we’re pretty much finished.

Hannibal Smith on March 14, 2008 at 2:20 PM

This is exactly why I go off on so-called “conservatives” who call John McCain names and denigrate him.

Disagreement is one thing. Fine.

But this man has suffered more for this country and has given back more to this country than few people alive.

Asking for just a little respect for him doesn’t seem too much to ask from “conservatives”.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Excellent. Makes a great contrast to BHO and his Wright stuff.

Vote Sauron 08 on March 14, 2008 at 2:26 PM

LOL!

I wanted to be a marine..

that was good. :)

Chakra Hammer on March 14, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Wow, just like Kerry’s Vietnam experience …. with a few minor exceptions.

/sarcoff

fogw on March 14, 2008 at 2:27 PM

HERO

Drtuddle on March 14, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Powerful ad – no contest between decorated War vet and empty suit with his bigoted pastor.

McCain looks Presidential material. He has laid down his life for this country, unlike Obama and his wife

Pax americana on March 14, 2008 at 2:29 PM

wow

funky chicken on March 14, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Whatever one thinks of John McCain, the story of his capture, his years of captivity and his courage as a POW, is awe inspiring. Few people know about the incredible sacrifice John McCain made while in communist captivity. HE was offered the chance to leave this hellhole after about two years in the can. The North VietNamese knew that McCain’s father and grandfather were both military heros in their own rights and the North VietNamese wanted a propaganda victory by releasing him. All John McCain had to do was sign a piece of paper put in front of him. McCain refused. He would never sell out his own men. Whatever one thinks of his viewpoints on various issues, this was a gutsy thing to do. And compared to McCain, Obama and Hillary Clinton are pipsqueaks. Neither one has ever done a brave thing in his or her life. But the liberal media keeps treating Obama like he was some kind of saint with limitless courage. What is the most perilous situation he ever faced? Avoiding a barking dog while he “organized” on the streets of Chicago? What is the bravest thing Hillary ever did? Get hit by a falling easel at the Rose Law Firm office? McCain can clean their clocks if he is willing to take off the kid gloves.

Larraby on March 14, 2008 at 2:33 PM

McCain risked everything and lost a lot so Ivy League schools could poop out the likes of Hussein and Michelle. What a country!

Akzed on March 14, 2008 at 2:35 PM

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM

I’m about as conservative as they come and I disagree with McCain on some major issues but I’m voting for him. I too get tired of other conservatives denigrating him. McCain is far from a liberal. Being a POW doesn’t earn him the right to the presidency but he has sacrificed for our country like few Americans ever will.

kongzilla on March 14, 2008 at 2:35 PM

McCain risked everything and lost a lot so Ivy League schools could poop out the likes of Hussein and Michelle. What a country!
Akzed on March 14, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Sorry, meant to say “vomit out.” Sorry.

Akzed on March 14, 2008 at 2:37 PM

“I didn’t qualify to be a Marine.”

“What do you mean you weren’t qualified?”

“Well, my parents were married!”

HaHaHa

Another good Ad by McCain

BDU-33 on March 14, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Since no one else wants to be the bad guy, I’ll go ahead and put in my two cents. I respect McCain as a member of the military and am grateful for his service; I even liked this ad. People quibble about how long or under what circumstances he was imprisoned, or whether he cracked (he says he did, but they [VC] couldn’t use the statement), but it’s kind of like being pregnant – you still are. He still answered the call.

Having said all that, what with Keating Five, his Maverickdom, and his labeling me (and the rest of the conservative population) as a racist:

He isn’t what I want in a president. We had a lot of POWs, all of whom deserve our respect and admiration. But we’re playing with a more subtle but nonetheless wrong system, identity politics. Just because you’re black, a woman, or a veteran doesn’t mean you should be president. What if Murtha was running on the Democratic ticket? Then what? What about Kerry; paper-cuts in Vietnam are still cuts in Vietnam.

We should not be voting on experience (Bob Byrd’s been in the Senate since the Civil War) but on principles, which McCain has repeatedly trampled on (then lied about it).

emailnuevo on March 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM

What is the most perilous situation he ever faced?

You mean besides growing up under the oppressive boot of whitey?

ChrisM on March 14, 2008 at 2:44 PM

“Duty, honor, integrity, country, and principle”

Sums up John McCain rather well. I’ve already said what I’ve had to say to self-described “real conservatives” who continue to be “Mcain-deranged”…but I’ll say one more time: I will proudly cast my vote in November for Senator McCain.

A damn fine President he will be. Right man, right time, right job.

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Larraby on March 14, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Well said.

The_Freeze on March 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM

We shouldve just elected him to president the second he limped off the plane….what took us so long.

The way this global-warming-hoax-denier keeps trotting out his heroic military service cheapens the whole thing.

Why dont they do 5 minute commercials on how he came home and dumped his wife because she was injured in a car accident and gained some weight.

This election sucketh.

Roger Waters on March 14, 2008 at 2:46 PM

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Go ahead. This “bigoted anti-immigrant racist” will not.

MarkoMancuso on March 14, 2008 at 2:49 PM

I’m sorry but there is something unseemly and inappropriate about this. Anybody that has read my posts knows that I’m not exactly a “fan” of Triceratops but have respected his military service.

Nevertheless, a candidate calling out his own POW experience in this way demeans and diminishes all the other POWs and MIAs that don’t have the ability to dabble in politics because they dumped their first wife and married an heiress. In short, I don’t find this ad inspirational because it cheapens all those who McCain claims to honor.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 2:51 PM

amen, Highhopes, amen

Roger Waters on March 14, 2008 at 2:55 PM

God Bless Mr McCain i can think of noone better in this time of war to serve us.
and God Bless and never forget all the PoW/MiA’s.

trailortrash on March 14, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Hmmmm, Does McCain actually have to go negative this year?

Sekhmet on March 14, 2008 at 2:56 PM

“Duty, honor, integrity, country, and principle”

Sums up John McCain rather well.

Yeah it does…..

Duty- Honorable military record.

Honor- Didn’t disgrace the nation the way John Kerry did in VN.

Integrity- Strike One. Keating Five back when John McCain was perfectly happy to feed at the trough of lobbyists- no questions asked. (now he demands the trough be hidden better).

Country. Any man who is for amnesty and calls his fellow citizens racist for not agreeing with him does not have the nation’s best interest at heart. John McCain is a politician not a patriot.

Principle. ROTFLMAO to think that anybody believes this scumbag politician stands on principle. Certainly not the principles one looks for in a leader.

At best I will “hold my nose” and vote for the least unfit of the candidates this November. Much of that depends on him opting for a running mate that doesn’t automatically tell social conservatives to f**k off the way McCain and his cadre of apologists and idiots do.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM

“Nevertheless, a candidate calling out his own POW experience in this way demeans and diminishes all the other POWs and MIAs that don’t have the ability to dabble in politics because they dumped their first wife and married an heiress. In short, I don’t find this ad inspirational because it cheapens all those who McCain claims to honor.”

Well, actually it completely doesn’t, but feel free to continue on your completely irrational and self-destructive path to trying to elect one of two terrible Democrats to office this fall.

God forbid a Presidential candidate tell his life’s story. Just hide it in a closet. Lord knows, we don’t need to hear about people sacrificing for a great cause in this country.

I’m a Navy vet of 19 years and I’m glad to see SOMETHING to tout service to this country. The MSM has blacked out any mention of the heroic service of our military in Iraq (almost no coverage of the Medal of Honor, Silver Star, etc. winners), and now you want a Presidential candidate to cover up his service?

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I just can’t get over his mom still being alive.

Typhonsentra on March 14, 2008 at 3:01 PM

Sso, are all the Democrats who denigrated Bush’s Nat. Guard service and called Cheney a chickenhawk going to vote for the war hero over the never-served guy or gal?

rbj on March 14, 2008 at 3:10 PM

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Do you guys even realize what you’re talking about when you mention “amnesty”? What it is…and what it isn’t?

Can’t do much about illegals until the borders are secure. McCain is spot-on with that point.

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 3:13 PM

No, to Dems we’re one of three:

1. Chickenhawk
2. AWOL
3. Baby-killing warmonger

Can’t really win with them.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 3:14 PM

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I’m at 23 years in the Navy and counting so I’d rather you not preach to me about “service” as if I don’t know a thing about the concept.

I’d also thank you not to question my motives or perspective. I’m not trying to get a Democrat elected but I’m not going to gloss over the real flaws that exist in John McCain’s political record either. Apologists like you would expect me to roll over on MY principles to support a man that has proven very flexible in principles over the years. Not going to happen, I won’t roll.

Finally, I’ve not said a thing against McCain’s military record but I do think the candidate himself running ads telling all that imply he was a better POW than all the rest demeans the sacrifices of other POWs and most certainly the MIAs who didn’t have a chance to come home and run for high political office on the wife’s fortune.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Can’t do much about illegals until the borders are secure. McCain is spot-on with that point.

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Yet John McCain has not been a staunch closed border guy. he just wanted to get rid of the problem by granting amnesty without securing the borders first. Others carried the water on the borders first argument- not Triceratops who was more interested in pandering to the liberals in border states.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Amen!

TeeDee on March 14, 2008 at 3:33 PM

running ads telling all that imply he was a better POW than all the rest demeans the sacrifices of other POWs

Oh come on! I’m holding my nose with McCain too but this doesn’t imply that at all! Please, I understand that a lot of us are unhappy with him but this kind of comment is not helpful. McCain has pissed me off too but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt this time.

kongzilla on March 14, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Yet John McCain has not been a staunch closed border guy. he just wanted to get rid of the problem by granting amnesty without securing the borders first.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM

John McCain has pledged to secure the border. He recognizes, truthfully, that the politicians have failed in that regard. And the President alone cannot “seal the border”…it would take Congress, and the border states, to make it work.

And, respectfully, I don’t think you understand what “amnesty” is…it’s a broad term that means many different things to different people. I guess the opposite of “amnesty” would be to immediately deport anyone found anywhere under any circumstance who isn’t legally in the US.

Is that even remotely realistic?

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 3:38 PM

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM

firstly, thanks for your service :salute: but it seems you are being a bit overly critical about McCain and this ad, which is your right :) but personally i don’t see him saying he was a better pow then anyone else.
it almost seems as if you are jealous of him, which is a very ugly thing to watch.
people get divorced for all sorts of reasons and to not have been in his marriage with him and know all his personal reasons seems very judgmental on your part imo

trailortrash on March 14, 2008 at 3:43 PM

emailnuevo on March 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM

So what’s your point? Settle for Obama?

sheesh on March 14, 2008 at 3:43 PM

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM

At least he’ll build us our “damn fence” :P

apollyonbob on March 14, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Ok fine. I’ll vote for McCain now.

Riposte on March 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM

A study in character, fortuitously timed to coincide with the Messiah’s Wright headache.

Sorry but this doesn’t pull any heart strings about “McShamnesty’s” character. His character is worth about as much as Teddy Kennedy’s giving up on booze. Nada.

TOPV on March 14, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Exit question: Given the narrative the Democrats are framing about his candidacy, who’s the real target of this ad? Think hard. Harder…

“I must say, I’m a little envious,” Bush said. “If I were slightly younger and not employed here, I think it would be a fantastic experience to be on the front lines of helping this young democracy succeed.”

I think there are lots of folks that feel the same way.
If I was younger I’d be right beside him. I tried to
enlist ‘91 for the Gulf war but was turned down for age.

Texyank on March 14, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Wonder why ol’ Mav doesn’t have a commercial with his FIRST WIFE injured and how he dumped her for the drug addict? Hmm..
Character? A foreign concept to this man.

TOPV on March 14, 2008 at 3:56 PM

“I’m not trying to get a Democrat elected”

But I run down the only man who is going to keep the Democrat from getting elected, every chance I get.

“but I’m not going to gloss over the real flaws that exist in John McCain’s political record either.”

Every politician who has served in office has “real flaws”. And people knew of them and he was nominated. We can armchair QB this to death, but he will be by far the best candidate for President this fall.

“Apologists like you would expect me to roll over on MY principles to support a man that has proven very flexible in principles over the years.”

I don’t expect you to compromise your principles one iota, all I ask is that you recognize by far that the best candidate for President on the ballot (not who it could have been), is John McCain.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I guess the opposite of “amnesty” would be to immediately deport anyone found anywhere under any circumstance who isn’t legally in the US.

Is that even remotely realistic?

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 3:38 PM

That’s a very stale counterpoint, untrue, and full of sophistry.

Yes, immediately trying to deport all illegals is unrealistic. Clamping down on the employers so that the money dries up would result in self-deportation.

And finally, the opposite of amnesty isn’t immediate deportation. The opposite of amnesty is upholding the laws that say illegals have no status in this nation. John McCain wants to reward illegals for breaking our laws.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 4:21 PM

“people get divorced for all sorts of reasons”

Personally, I’d feel a lot better about Obama if he would have divorced that Marxist wife of his.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM

it almost seems as if you are jealous of him, which is a very ugly thing to watch.
people get divorced for all sorts of reasons and to not have been in his marriage with him and know all his personal reasons seems very judgmental on your part imo

trailortrash on March 14, 2008 at 3:43 PM

You need to read closer. I dislike McCain’s POLITICS
because he doesn’t even remotely represent my values on issues that I care about the most. There is no jealousy involved.

And, as for the divorce, I never delved into the reasons behind it (nor do I care). I only pointed out that McCain was able to get a seat in Congress, the Senate, and possibly the Presidency because his “upgraded” wife happened to be the heiress to a beer distributor’s fortune.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Cant we find a POW who isnt a liberal to represent our party?

Just wondering.

I wish McCain would have accepted the vp slot that Kerry offered…he did have to think long and hard about it.

Roger Waters on March 14, 2008 at 4:26 PM

all I ask is that you recognize by far that the best candidate for President on the ballot (not who it could have been), is John McCain.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Not ready to join the ranks of McCain apologists until he actually speaks to the issues I care about and convinces me that he is through with the f**k off attitude he has shown toward real Republicans the last eight years. McCain is still out there wooing liberal moderates (which isn’t my ideology).

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 4:29 PM

I may not always agree with his politics but I sure do respect the man!

Ann on March 14, 2008 at 4:34 PM

As a fellow Navy Veteran, I have never questioned John McCain’s extraordinary service to our country. His incredible sacrifices as a POW are more than deserving of our respect and appreciation.

That being said, I do however question is his senatorial decision-making…which is why I choose not to vote for him for POTUS.

The Ugly American on March 14, 2008 at 4:35 PM

Finally, I’ve not said a thing against McCain’s military record but I do think the candidate himself running ads telling all that imply he was a better POW than all the rest demeans the sacrifices of other POWs and most certainly the MIAs who didn’t have a chance to come home and run for high political office on the wife’s fortune.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM

I don’t get how this demeans anyone. If I say “Hire me because I’m a good doc,” does that demean all other good docs? He’s not running against any other POWs. And the major point to me is not his being captured and tortured, but his decision to stand on principle and reject the offer of early release. It says he believes in something greater than himself. Not sure if I, or most others, could have made that decision.

mikeyboss on March 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Asking for just a little respect for him doesn’t seem too much to ask from “conservatives”.

I don’t think any conservative disrepects him per se, NoDonkey.

I, for one, would like to see the man who’s been able to reach out to the Dems, to the Independents, to the undocumented workers simply reach out to conservatives. Is that too much to ask for?

I R A Darth Aggie on March 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM

“I, for one, would like to see the man who’s been able to reach out to the Dems, to the Independents, to the undocumented workers simply reach out to conservatives. Is that too much to ask for?”

I think he did at C-PAC and his support of our troops and the war effort in the face a relentless storm of Democrat opposition proves that he doesn’t do the bidding of that party.

I want him to do what’s best for him to win this fall. If that doesn’t include “reaching out to conservatives” any more than he has, that’s OK with me.

I just don’t want any traitorous, America hating Marxist in the White House come November, and that’s what we’re going to have if it’s not McCain. That makes me overlook a lot, perhaps, but that’s how I feel.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 4:53 PM

God bless John McCain

God bless America

God damn those who would sell this nation to the dogs.

Pax americana on March 14, 2008 at 5:09 PM

A damn fine President he will be. Right man, right time, right job.

JetBoy on March 14, 2008 at 2:45 PM

You are my and Juan’s kind of Gringo, a very subordinado one.

You will do well in los nuevos Estados Unidos de la Gran Mexico when Juan becomes el Presidente.

VinyFoxy on March 14, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Well, the Marine Corps is a Dept of the Navy, …The eFFing Men’s Department!

Alden Pyle on March 14, 2008 at 5:42 PM

McCain was in Vietnam? He kept that quiet. Say what you will about him, he knows how to play his cards close to the chest.

Just like Kerry! Maybe these two should team up for a patriotic dynamo ticket!

LimeyGeek on March 14, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Well, ya got to look at it this way….You know damn well where Teh Messiah and the Screaming Harpy will stand on the rape of the borders….as well as a whole lot of other progressive horseS**t policies…

So sit there and bitch and moan about McCain and have the balls to REALLY start bitching when one of the Touchy-Feely, Nanny State, Yer entitled to everything because yer breathing asshole takes office….good effort on not compromising yer ideals….

BigWyo on March 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Man o Man ,when he limps off the plane sure said a alot, more than words could ever do.

KBird on March 14, 2008 at 6:02 PM

his decision to stand on principle and reject the offer of early release. It says he believes in something greater than himself. Not sure if I, or most others, could have made that decision.

mikeyboss on March 14, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Hate to burst the bubble of McCain apologists but this is part of McCain’s “doing his duty” not standing on principle. Section III of the Armed Forces Code of Conduct states

If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

He would have betrayed his oath had he accepted parole while sick, wounded, and those who had been held longer were still in captivity. Not only was McCain the ranking officer- responsible for the well being of those under him, his daddy was CINCPAC meaning accepting parole would have been a PR coup that would have put him in the same Vietnamese “Hall of Heroes” that Kerry is lauded. In short, McCain was doing his duty and that has never been in question (at least by me).

That being said to make this into something “greater than oneself” is absurd and you sir demean the military by suggesting that this was a rare act of courage. Haven’t you been paying attention to all the selfless acts that have occurred in Iraq? You saying VN POWs were made of lesser stuff?

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 7:09 PM

Roger Waters on March 14, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Carol? Carol Shepp, is that you? No it couldnt be because Carol had an amicable divorce with McCain and still supports him…

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Not only was McCain the ranking officer- responsible for the well being of those under him,

Mac was not the ranking officer, not even close.

The ranking officer was James “Who am I?” Stockdale, who violated the code of conduct by ordering a moratorium on escape attempts.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Alden Pyle on March 14, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Why do marines ride on Navy ships?

Because farm animals would be to obvious!

I can do this all night, ive heard em all.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:36 PM

I don’t expect you to compromise your principles one iota, all I ask is that you recognize by far that the best candidate for President on the ballot (not who it could have been), is John McCain.

NoDonkey on March 14, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Sorry NoDonkey, I don’t feel that McCain is the best Republican candidate, but of the 3 now running he is the best choice. I plan to vote for him in November.

That being said, I find it unseemly that McCain is party to so much attention being paid to his former POW status. John McCain IS NOT the only VN POW to serve in Congress. The fact that I can’t remember the other fellow’s name is a pretty clear indicator that not all POWs are so quick to draw attention to themselves.

As I’ve said before, I will be voting for McCain in November. I just won’t be skipping off to the polls with a song on my lips or joy in my heart!!

To the fellow who said it’s not realistic to deport all the illegal aliens I would ask, how do we know if we don’t at least try???

poodlemom on March 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM

John McCain IS NOT the only VN POW to serve in Congress.

No, but he’s the only one who’s currently running for president, and some of the public don’t know about his biography. What on earth is wrong with informing the electorate? I wouldn’t be surprised if Sam Johnson and Jeremiah Denton let it be known during their congressional campaigns that they were POWs. They would have been idiots not to.

Sam Johnson has a safe seat, and he doesn’t have to tell his long time constituents who he is. And he’s campaigning for McCain.

juliesa on March 14, 2008 at 9:28 PM

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 8:35 PM

I don’t agree with McCain’s status but that doesn’t really matter. Deal with the rest of the post instead of selective hatred toward ME because I am not one of you “Stepford Republicans.”

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM

McCain was a LCDR, he was not even close to being the ranking guy there. It is not anything to be agreed with high, he was not the ranking officer at the Hanoi Hilton and James Bond Stockdale, vice-presidential candidate in 1992, was.

I have no hatred for you, I dont know how you think I am a Stepford Republican, since you have accused me of being a liberal in the past…

I was correcting something that was an incorrect point, being that McCain was in solitary for a huge portion of his time there (for being insubordinate to his captors), his responsibilities as a LCDR in a camp of mostly other 0-4’s and 0-3′S was minimal at best.

His special status arose exclusively from his family, which gave him the bad kind of attention.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 9:54 PM

To the fellow who said it’s not realistic to deport all the illegal aliens I would ask, how do we know if we don’t at least try???

poodlemom on March 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM

I like your style and attitude.

It is unrealistic to make a policy of deporting all illegals (or as the McCain’s apologists and supporters would call them “document-challenged Americans”). We could do round up all the illegals without a doubt but the comparisons to Nazi Germany’s treatment of Jews would swing the political spectrum far to the left.

I used to live in the agricultural part of California filled with illegals and I know how hard they work. I currently live in New Orleans whose recovery is partially built on illegal labor- to the point I’m eagerly expecting Cajun-Mexican fusion to be the next big trend in cuisine. Among all the vermin McCain wanted to give citizenship there are many good people.

We need a two-fold approach. Crack down on illegals by cracking down on the employers who hire them. Lack of jobs and many illegals will self-deport. Combined with that, however, is a legitimate “guest worker” program that provides for employment but not citizenship.

My ancestors (and probably yours) immigrated here and became Americans. I’ve seen the census records that show my Great Grandparents and Grandparents were German-born citizens. This is far different from illegal aliens from Mexico working in the US with no intention of staying or becoming citizens. Mexico’s economy depends on the continued support of “Document-challenged Americans.” McCain is a worthless fool when it comes to dealing with this issue by legitimate measures.

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 9:56 PM

His special status arose exclusively from his family, which gave him the bad kind of attention.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 9:54 PM

And my point was that he was doing his duty by the Code of Conduct when he refused early parole. It wasn’t (as his ad claims) an extraordinary act of heroism. It was what was expected of him and any other officer in the same circumstance.

Why is it so hard for your people to acknowledge that McCain’s exemplary military record isn’t unique?

highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 10:00 PM

No doubt McCain should be saluted for his service, and compared to the Democrats running it does put him somewhat above. But I am more concerned about the John McCain today, not where he was 30 years ago.

As far as immigration is concerned…I would love a wall, but make it easy to come through the gate. I have only three criteria…1. Know English. 2. Have a strong desire to be an American, not a hyphen American, an American. 3. Don’t have a criminal record. Make it hard to have a job or welfare or an education or ( insert state program ) if here illegally, and they will leave on their own.

There is only one condition that I would accept amnesty…
we get 1000 Mexicans per trial lawyer or congressman.

Conservative Voice on March 14, 2008 at 10:08 PM

(or as the McCain’s apologists and supporters would call them “document-challenged Americans”).

I am a supporter and I call them illegals, so do most…

Why is it so hard for your people to acknowledge that McCain’s exemplary military record isn’t unique?

I never said that there were not others…

Few were given the opportunity he was. By all accounts, McCain WAS exceptional in the camp. He was treated far more harshly and was extra belligerent to boot. While heroism abounded in the POW camps, McCain was an exceptional case in many ways, including his singular dedication to his mates and his duty. His actions were on par in many ways to those of VADM Stockdale (who self-mutilated to keep from being propagandized).

The summary point I suppose is?: Yes he did what was expected of any other in the same circumstance, the circumstances are what was unique and defined his experience.

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 10:17 PM

You know folks, you have to know who a person comes from, where he comes from and his experiences to tell you who he is now, today. Here is another POW’s take on John today, 35 years later. He is my brother in law and was also a POW for nearly 4 years with John. I trust my brother in law a hell of a lot more than I do a media that has been corrupt for more than 35 years. To wit:

“John McCain is a resolute and principled warrior. That’s why some can’t stand him. Witness what he did to blow the whistle on the Boeing/USAF double dealing on that proposed tanker deal. He just won’t back down from that type of corruption and special interest lobbying. He also has TOO HONEST a response some time which some find absolutely insensative and irksome while others find it refreshing and bluntly direct. The key question is do you think either Obama or Hillary would protect our country and way of life better than John McCain. Do you think Hillary or Obama would appoint federal judges who would decide cases on the constitution and current law or on what they think is best for us? And do you care about any of this?

I know you do. And I think the closer you look, the more comfortable you will become with John. He’s the real deal. And when he could have sat on his butt, and let Ernie Brace and I get caught with comm notes which would have subjected us to some harch torture at that time, John created such a scene as to warn us and bring certain punishment to himself. He stood up heroically against torture and cruel capturers while many others lay low and tried to stay out of harms way. Not John. He was a hero among heroes in my book and I shall be eternally grateful to him on a personal level So I am not totally objective for a change on the choice of our next president. But you asked. More to follow I am sure.”

I can’t say it better than that with his misspellings and all.

sharinlite on March 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM

sharinlite on March 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Great Post

Squid Shark on March 14, 2008 at 11:16 PM

God bless John McCain

God damn those who would sell this nation to the dogs.

Can these two statements be reconciled? Some say no.

aengus on March 15, 2008 at 9:23 PM

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