Good news: Obama disagrees with god damning America; Update: McCain won’t go after Wright?
posted at 1:33 pm on March 14, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Ed tacked this on as an update to his last post but let’s put it front and center. Question: How do you “distance yourself” from a racist conspiracy theorist whose church you’ve patronized for 20 years? Answer, per yesterday’s post: You don’t. You swallow hard, do the denounce-and-reject two-step, and hope — audaciously! — that independents aren’t paying attention.
And then you bundle your kids into the car to go hear another of Rev. Jeremiah’s sermons on life, love, and how the people in the Twin Towers got what was coming to them.
Q: I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but it’s all over the wire today (from an ABC News story), a statement that your pastor (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s South Side) made in a sermon in 2003 that instead of singing “God Bless America,” black people should sing a song essentially saying “God Damn America.”
A: I haven’t seen the line. This is a pastor who is on the brink of retirement who in the past has made some controversial statements. I profoundly disagree with some of these statements.
Q: What about this particular statement?
A: Obviously, I disagree with that. Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor. There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it’s important to judge me on what I’ve said in the past and what I believe.
That’s super, but he’s got the same problem here as he has with that terrorist he schmoozed back in Chicago, except times a hundred. It’s not that he necessarily endorses everything Wright says, it’s that he necessarily doesn’t object to anything Wright says strongly enough to get him to quit the church. In the case of Bill Ayres, or McCain vis-a-vis Hagee, you can attribute the tolerance for intolerance (“intolerance” in Ayres’s case meaning “attempted murder”) to craven political expedience. What’s Obama’s excuse in Wright’s case? Like one former advisor told the Prowler this morning, there’s no sense in trying to cut ties to him. The ties are too strong; they’re unbreakable. “Distancing” himself now only raises the question of why he didn’t distance himself before. Better to preserve his “authenticity” by avoiding the appearance of political calculation and stick with the two-step.
Here’s Obama’s new pastor. Fast forward to around two minutes in, where he talks about Obama choosing Trinity and Wright because they were in line with his “values” as an organizer.
Update: Yeah, we’ll see about this. It’s not totally implausible: Maverick has enough trouble with evangelicals and, potentially, with Catholics via Hagee that he might be shy about going after a pastor, even one as scummy as Wright. Better to let the media handle it than give Obama an opening for the tu quoque.
Update (Ed): Makes sense to me. Why should McCain go after Wright when Hillary’s people will do it first? McCain can rise above the fray and talk about his own themes while Hillary and Obama fight it out in the streets.
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And what about the statement where he blames 9/11 on the US? And that we caused AIDS? How about those?
lorien1973 on March 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Too little, too late……..by about 20 years,
dustoffmom on March 14, 2008 at 1:36 PM
obama needs to just step aside .
trailortrash on March 14, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Sure, after the fact.
What about for the twenty years he attended church?
And besides, if the thought it was no big deal (except to those of us who have been following the stories of his church since he threw his hat into the ring), why distance himself from the racist
pastordevil?madmonkphotog on March 14, 2008 at 1:40 PM
Obama may can get away with this because the media is blacking it out. I caught Anderson Coopers report on this last night. he left the “god damn america” part, the HIV part and the “Ridin’ Dirty” part of the story. and basically dismissed it as ‘old news’.
night and day difference between it and the Fox/ABC reports.
jp on March 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM
he’s gone, history, no longer the pastor of the church.
AprilOrit on March 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM
and Oprah too.
jp on March 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4451184&page=1
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Which is exactly why he needs to be continually pushed on this particular issue. We need to know what it is that he likes about Wright and why those positive aspects outweigh the obvious and glaring negatives.
darii on March 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM
He could teach this guy a few things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mNDHTfdn1A
Vic on March 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Ha ha, it’s a campaign video! Points to faith.barackobama.com at the end, and what’s over there? A BLEG!
RushBaby on March 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM
he’s still listed as pastor on the churches website
have to figure the next pastor at a church like this will be of like mind anyway. Obama gave this church 23k in 2006!
jp on March 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Maybe Michelle forced him to go to church like my parents forced me throughout my early life……..
/sarc
SoCalInfidel on March 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM
So far I had believed Obama, despite all his other faults, is far removed from the idiot racial politics of people like Jesse Jackson, but it’s getting suspicious how many people close to him (his wife, his pastor) seem to be blacks who love to be mindlessly angry.
And beyond Obama, don’t you find it disturbing how many people are in those video cheering Wright on as he denounces America and preaches insane conspiracy theories? It’s like finding a sleeper cell here.
frankj on March 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM
michelle obama that is…did not want to confuse it with MM
SoCalInfidel on March 14, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Let’s see. Obama doesn’t agree with the reverend’s statements, but he contributed $21,000 to support him last year? Does he always go around contributing that kind of money to those with whom he disagrees? I disagree with Obama. Does that make me eligible for a $21,000 contribution?
reddest redneck on March 14, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Er – how do you distance yourself from a man so close to you that you name your book after one of his speeches?? At a time when he was spouting out these bigoted sermons?
Does he really think the American people are that stupid?
Pax americana on March 14, 2008 at 1:45 PM
And don’t forget what William Amos quoted
23k and 20 years? Bad judgment.
darii on March 14, 2008 at 1:47 PM
I think it is going to work for him. If he can hold on until PA the story will end. One reason is that Wright’s view are not really that far out from what many “don’t question my patriotism” people believe.
sweeper on March 14, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Do you really need to ask that question?
Vic on March 14, 2008 at 1:48 PM
The acquaintances of Ted Bundy thought he was an articulate, bright and friendly guy. That’s the image he gave off to gain trust before he did his dirty work.
No, I’m not calling Obama a serial killer so put your racist gun back in your holster. What I am saying is, people are quite capable of disguising their true beliefs and intentions to a gullible public. People in politics have made an art of this deception.
We need to beware of the wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Thankfully, Obama’s friends and colleagues are beginning to peel off the outer layer for us. And the MSM is on a clothing drive.
fogw on March 14, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Obama has a problem in that he cant kill the messenger as it hurts the message. If he attacsk wright he delegitimizes wrights beliefs.
The true question isnt how close barack is to wright is if Obama still thinks wright is right and white is wrong
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 1:48 PM
dustoffmom on March 14, 2008 at 1:48 PM
On sabbatical from the church. Not history. If I understand correctly, he took sabbatical to officially join Obama’s campaign, in some sort of “honorary” or “advisory” capacity.
RushBaby on March 14, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Nope. He’s hoping the media are so biased that they’ll bury it.
darii on March 14, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Precisely. Obama is skating on the idea that he was right about the Iraq war therefor he is right about EVERYTHING. His judgement is supposedly “Messianic”.
But he has already made many gaffes.
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 1:50 PM
someone should ask Obama if his spiritual advisor would be welcome in the Obama whitehouse/
jp on March 14, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Holy gosh! Pastor is lighter than Obama!
That probably explains some of it. In my experience, the whiter people are, the harder they struggle to be authentically black.
Okay, am I a racist for saying that? I’m so confused….
S. Weasel on March 14, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Racist.
:P
someone on March 14, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Here’s the problem Barrack, you haven’t said anything and the fact that you keep going to that church, even exposing your children to that kind of anti-American, anti-white hatred, speaks volumes.
Along with that, we don’t really know what you believe. The job is too big and time is too short to bet on you and I thank God people are focused on this finally.
Geronimo on March 14, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Too little, too late. It’s easy to denounce something once you’re called on it. His silence before is tacit approval.
TooTall on March 14, 2008 at 1:53 PM
you know, we may have our answer on how pacifist Obama would be on Foreign Affairs listening to his pastor. If they beleive us bombing Japan was some immoral sin and thus “blowback” was 9/11….how on earth would they ever respond militarily to the Islamist threat?
jp on March 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM
McCain can’t beat the Messiah unless he’s will to take him on. Everyone who dares to question him shall be deemed a racist.
roux on March 14, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Just announced it on CNN he’s gone. Will not be there going forward, it’s over.
Now if we can get McCain to distance himself from the other 2 wack-fringe characters we’ll be ok.
AprilOrit on March 14, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Or rather the Hillary campaign. McCain doesn’t need to get his hands dirty just yet – while the Democrat race is still on let them tear themselves apart.
I suspect the MSM is more likely to go after Obama now than in the general when the smears of GOP ‘racism’ will surface. Since McCain effectively secured the nomination last month Obama’s ratings have been falling without the GOP really doing anything. Rezko, sleazy earmarks, bigoted pastor – citizens are making up their own minds about the ‘change’ on offer.
In the meantime, all the GOP needs to do is keep circulating Jeremiah Wright’s sermons, and sure as day people will soon make up their own minds.
Pax americana on March 14, 2008 at 1:56 PM
McCain might not use this but HILLARY will.
Question how does the reverend play in Hispanic circles ? They already distrust Obama.
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 1:57 PM
http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm
jp on March 14, 2008 at 1:58 PM
darii on March 14, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Should add that in DEMOCRATIC circles Obama is veiwed as being right about the war. Understand it is helping him in democratic primaries.
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM
No, McCain and the GOP are canny strategists. I guess they are realising that against expectations Obama may be easier to beat in the general than Hillary. Let the ammo build and use it when the moment is ripe. Republicans can afford to bide their time without getting their hands dirty while the Democrats are self-imploding at an incredible rate.
Rezko, Spitzer, Wright – the Dems are sinking fast in sleaze and bigotry and the GOP haven’t had to lift a finger.
Pax americana on March 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM
Spiraling down:
- Obama
- Hillary
- Oprah
- the media even more
- the Clinton legacy
- the liberal governor of New York
- identidy politics
- the Congress in liberal hands
- the anti-war pinkos
And, it’s all self-inflicted.
The economy is spiraling down, but Hope and Change are on the way up with Messrs Obama and Bush 43.
Of late, I’m pretty entertained and optimistic about the 2008 year prospects. Of course, much still to come.
Entelechy on March 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM
AP,
At the risk of comment spamming (as I just made the same point to Ed), I will remind you that the stuff the MSM is reporting now is from the exact same sermon featured here at Hot Air at the beginning of the month.
Karl on March 14, 2008 at 2:02 PM
He disagrees with some controversial statements, but defends his right to say them, over and over again. Peachy.
The jubilation in the Mosques for this evening’s Friday prayers should be some spectacle to behold.
They might even stop thinking about killing Wilders for his film that yet no one has seen, for at least a few minutes, anyway.
awake on March 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM
He’s a figurative Obama adviser, IIRC. He was also responsible for the title of Obama’s book and was Obama’s pastor and spiritual guidance counselor for years.
amerpundit on March 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM
McCain can win the presidency outright by playing against the democratic congress. The Amerian people are happy to keep one branch of government with each party.
McCain only has to play the “You need me in the WHite House to counter the excess of a democratic Congress” and moderates will buy that.
I wish the republicans were a bit better to retake the house but again they still are showing signs they havent learned a damn thing since the 2006 debacle.
Really should save my money and go to some RNC function and really level both barrels at party leaders. But then that is why I quit politics because they dont listen.
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 2:04 PM
I doubt McCain will go after Wright. That’s okay, because there are plenty of people who will.
BTW,has anyone been watching the “evil” Karl Rove on FNC? Quite frankly his problem is that he is way too nice. Now I see why Bush did not adequately respond to attacks on his administration. Karl is always advising people to take the “high road”, but at some point that is self-defeating, and it certainly didn’t help the last election cycle. Although it probably is wise for the Mac to stay clear of Obama’s church problem.
Buy Danish on March 14, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Mr. McCain is the luckiest (political) dog on face of the planet. When the opposition is digging a hole for itself, let it. He should focus on raking in the money. He’ll have plenty of time to go against Hillary or Barack, once either is far diminished.
Gladiator fight warm-up, then actual fight, and it’s free. And we were so depressed during our primary. Who would have thought?
Kudos to SNL for shaming the media. They will be huge contestants for the Time’s “persons of the year” – watch.
Entelechy on March 14, 2008 at 2:07 PM
…… are these just words?
…… are these just words?
…… are these just words?
Seven Percent Solution on March 14, 2008 at 2:08 PM
He’d be a moron to touch this one. Let the talking heads take it on and let McCain stay on the high ground.
BacaDog on March 14, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Obama doesn’t agree with a pastor of the church so he joins the church and remains a member for 20 years. He donates large sums of money to the church. He gets married in the church and the pastor that he doesn’t agree with officiates at his wedding. This same pastor baptizes his two daughters in the church that Barack doesn’t agree with.
He’s either a liar or has the brain of a chicken. No one continues to attend a church where they don’t fit in spiritually, emotionally, and socially. The racist minister is exactly what Mr. and Mrs. Obama find most comforting. He should just step down now and slither back to Chicago.
UnEasyRider on March 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Good call for this situation. While Hillary and Voldemort are mired down doing damage control and scheming for Florida and Michigan next week, McCain will be overseas on a six day trip to Iraq, Jordan, Israel, England and France.
Dems: identity politicking, street-fighting spectacles. McCain: Statesman.
RushBaby on March 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Pure evil.
I guess we know one reason why we can’t heal the racial divide: too many Wrights making money off it.
PattyJ on March 14, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Oh and one more prediction: House of Representatives votes the right way on the FISA bill, Dems lose.
RushBaby on March 14, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Dems already defeated the FISA bill. The house refuses to grant immunity.
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 2:21 PM
When the media asks McCain about this he should tell them that he wouldn’t ask Obama to distance himself because choosing a spiritual teacher for one’s family is a very personal choice and the voters will decide if Obama made the right one.
We know the liberals probably agree with Wright’s views anyway, but I’m willing to bet this turns off a huge percentage of independents.
kongzilla on March 14, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Identity Politics is the new sword…live by it, die by it.
Obama has run his entire campaign on it, how can he walk away from it now?
ChrisM on March 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM
On the vote today?
RushBaby on March 14, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Never mind, I just saw the update. What a disgrace.
RushBaby on March 14, 2008 at 2:24 PM
I think Obama is easier to beat in the general. Obama has been very bad about dealing with these controversies.
McCain does not have to attack Obama on this front. Indeed, it is probably a bad idea for him to do so. But that doesn’t stop 527s from running choice sections on Wright’s speeches on TV in the fall.
Clark1 on March 14, 2008 at 2:26 PM
NY TIMES
William Amos on March 14, 2008 at 2:26 PM
some more quotes by the Rev
!
http://www.cmaucc.org/EMRJeremiahWright2.pdf
windansea on March 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Good summation, RB. McCain going to the far-east will also give him some press-time. Hopefully the contrast between the Hill/Obama smackdown and McCain visiting heads of state will bring more voters over to McCain.
BacaDog on March 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM
There are posters on the politco:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Defending_Wright.html
that are saying that the Obama campaign sent tapes of these sermons to blacks in South Carolina before the primary there.
Is this true?
ArmyAunt on March 14, 2008 at 2:31 PM
I think this pastor is Barry’s Achilles heel. How can America vote for a guy who sends his children to be indoctrinated by this racial filth and hatred? I didn’t think there could be such a thing, but that church is a like a Christian version of a Wahabi Madrasa. It’s chilling.
It’s done. Send in the clowns. Turn out the lights. Start the morphine drip. Cue the fat lady. Pick your appropriate metaphor for this campaign-swallowing vortex, but this thing is over. I can just hear that cackle .
Over30 on March 14, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Obama’s association with Wright fits right into his willingness to talk directly to Ahmadinejad et al, without preconditions. America-haters are OK in Obama’s book.
According to Obama, there’s no difference between Jeremiah Wright/Ahmadinejad and, say, Joel Osteen/Stephen Harper.
jaime on March 14, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Yesterday’s Rasmussen PA poll shows Hillary Clinton leading Barack Obama 51% to 38%.
Clinton now leads by twenty-five percentage points among women and is essentially even among men. She attracts votes from 69% of white women while also leading among voters over 40 and those with incomes under $75,000 a year. Obama leads 79% to 13% among African-American voters.
windansea on March 14, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Ouch! If that’s the case then BHO will be holed below the waterline.
Politico says that Wright is still on Obama’s Religious Advisory Committee.
Pax americana on March 14, 2008 at 2:48 PM
My .02
I think it would be the wrong move for McCain to get involved in pushing this. He doesn’t need to, as others are going to do it for him. It’s way too juicy for the press to avoid, and Obama’s response has been lukewarm at best.
What he should be doing is talking as much he can about why he has always dedicated himself to the service of this great land of ours, and so on. He needs that message out there loud and clear right now to show a clear distinction between his values and those of his likely opponent.
Defense Guy on March 14, 2008 at 2:54 PM
With Wright as his mentor of 20 years, it’s hard to believe in BHO’s authenticity, let alone the integrity of his core message.
BHO’s no longer ‘post-racial’ or trans-racial. Obama’s suddenly lost his appeal to moderates and swing voters, and probably many white lefties too.
My bet is this revelation is so explosive that MSM won’t be able to keep the lid on it. It may precipitate the unravelling of his campaign.
petefrt on March 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Results 1 – 10 of about 2,680,000 for obama’s pastor
http://www.google.com/search?gbv=2&hl=en&q=obama%27s+pastor
My, my….and just whose chickens are coming home to roost now Obama?
ArmyAunt on March 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Exactly. The voters will decide. Admittedly, reading this site sometimes leads to bouts of rage or depression concerning my fellow Americans, but I have faith that most voters will reject Wright’s crap.
kongzilla on March 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM
It is currently front paged on Fox, Drudge, Abcnews, CNN, Politico and linked stories on RCP.
Some are now saying that Obama is DEFENDING his pastor.
Psst…Obama, when you are in a hole….STOP digging!
ArmyAunt on March 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM
……or not………
ArmyAunt on March 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM
So we’re imperialistic murderers for going into countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, but we should be going into African countries to intervene in tribal warfare and stop blacks there from raping and killing their fellow blacks? (Remember our efforts at humanitarian assistance in Mogadishu, “Reverend” Wright? How’d that work out for us?).
AZCoyote on March 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM
Oh Please! You really think evangelicals would be upset with Triceratops to call out a racist pastor? Contrary to the belief of many on this forum, evangelicals aren’t brain dead Bible thumpers who have lost the ability to use critical thinking. This kind of myopic hatred says more about the prejudice and bias of the anti-evengelical crowd here than anything about the elections.
The real reason Triceratops is leaving well enough alone is because he doesn’t have to do anything but watch at this point. Why on earth would he interject himself in the food fight between Clinton and Obama. Since the Rudy/McCain wing won the nomination, Triceratops is having enough trouble convincing real Republicans that they should support him despite the fact he continues to tell them to f**k off if they disagree with his left-of-center socialism on every issue but the GWOT.
highhopes on March 14, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Was he there?
Funny, I had heard that she was drunk (her fault) and possibly drugged and raped and killed (NOT her fault).
What compassion he has!
ArmyAunt on March 14, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Ed asks in an update, “Why should McCain go after Wright when Hillary’s people will do it first?”
For me, Ed, the clear answer is: McCain should go after Wright to claim some ground…and not just passively wait it out for Hillary to claim “moral and political turf.” These days, patriotism is an issue fundamental to and solely “owned” by conservatives. To me, it seems not only a lost opportunity to ask Americans, “This is not my America, is this your America?“, but a dangerous precedent for a conservative not to speak out against a) such anti-American voices as well as b) the protogees mentored by such demagogues.
There can be much positive earned by standing up for America in condemning such seditious racists and the politicians who support them.
Lockstein13 on March 14, 2008 at 3:11 PM
I’m telling you AP, Hillary will get the last laugh. Queue the tape I sent you.
ulyses on March 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Mona Charen nails it:
I am coming to believe that Barack Obama is one of the greatest con artists we’ve seen.
Buy Danish on March 14, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Ironic to watch Wright complain about unfairness in the media, since they are the ones protecting him. Well, there is some coverage now, Pastor. How do you lke it?
a capella on March 14, 2008 at 3:25 PM
He is running on the idea that he has the better judgement because he did not vote for the Iraqi war. How can you say you have good judgement when you choose to sat in a pew of a man that spews racial hatred and terrible conspiracy ideas. The judgement of your selection of friends and mentors for 20 years is more a reflection of your poor judgement than anything I can think of! No wonder his wife is not proud to be an American – if you listen to that crap for 20 years and believe it as she obviously does- you would not be proud. Is that why they don’t say the Pledge of Allegiance, because they hate America ?
nnaus on March 14, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Twenty years is more than endorsement enough for just about any of Wrights despicable behavior.
Why go to the trouble of driving over, sitting and listening (and having a political relationship with), to a Preacher you don’t agree with even a second time much less for that length of time?
Speakup on March 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM
This guy loves to talk dirty, doesn’t he? Like “Bill Clinton did us like he did Monica Lewinsky–driving dirty.” He’s a deviate as well as a racist.
PattyJ on March 14, 2008 at 3:42 PM
He was an Illinois State Senator, not a U.S. Senator at the time, so his judgment and courage are more meaningless words.
Obama’s Senate career began on 1/4/2005. The Iraq invasion was in March 2003, and the authorization for the use of force was in October 2002.
Buy Danish on March 14, 2008 at 3:44 PM
The English word “reverend” is found one time in the entire Bible and is used in reference to Jesus Christ himself.
None of us are “reverend”.
The leaders of congregations of God’s people are “Pastors”.
It is blasphemy for any man to take this title, much less the dirtbags running around this country wearing it.
The “Reverend” Wrong will be the undoing of the Obamassiah.
labrat on March 14, 2008 at 3:45 PM
The runaway Obama train is derailing from too much baggage. The Dem superdelegates will not allow a man who can’t be elected to be nominated and will engineer a Hillary win. Blacks will stay home on election day. McCain will win, assuming he doesn’t do something incredibly stupid in the meantime.
NNtrancer on March 14, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Sorry, but you are way wrong on this.
Buy Danish on March 14, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Ah, I see from reading more of that wiki entry that labrat must be either a Baptist or a member of the Churches of Christ.
It’s so annoying when someone claims that what they believe is the last word, so to speak.
Buy Danish on March 14, 2008 at 3:59 PM
McCain isn’t gonna touch this hot potato, not with Juan Hernandez on board, he risks rebellion on his right, now that most conservatives have fallen in line.
doubleplusundead on March 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Perfect………well done.
Now let’s get some popcorn, this show is gonna be exciting!!
omnipotent on March 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM
IS “BARACK OBAMA” A PLOT?
Via Allah, I think:
Mona Charen: “I am coming to believe that Barack Obama is one of the greatest con artists we’ve seen.”
Could a politician of any stripe have his party’s best interests (forget the country’s) at heart to perpetrate such a massive fraud on them? After all, the only people he has conned so far are the Democrats. Who would believe they could hide their entire life from public exposure for the 2 years of a Presidential campaign?
(Or was his liberal cocoon so warm and cozy that he really thought this America-hating stuff this virulent would fly? I have a hard time believing that.)
Who is behind this massive fraud that is ruining the Democrats’ chances of gaining the Presidency? Who has the most to gain from all of this?
Who indeed?
misterpeasea on March 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Oh, wait. It was Buy Danish.
Apologies.
misterpeasea on March 14, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Sorry, Danish, not trying to annoy. Yes, not that it really matters, I am a member of the Church of Christ.
No, I don’t believe what I say is the “last word”, I try to let God have that.
The wiki link was interesting in documenting the evolution of the use of Bible words in “Christian tradition”.
I am not concerned with Christian traditon.
Christ himself said that through our traditions we make the Word of God of none effect.
The Hebrew word translated “reverend” in scripture is used 316 times in the OT and means to be ‘fearful, dreadful, to stand in awe of’.
Psa 89:7 God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him.
All my point was in the previous comment is that there are titles in NT scripture reserved for leaders of the NT Church, and Reverend is not one of them.
labrat on March 14, 2008 at 4:36 PM
In his own words:
“Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it’s on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.”
(then, goes on to say)
“With Rev. Wright’s retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good.”
–His words, at the huffpo
So, he’s vehemently disagreeing, strongly condemning, denouncing, and rejecting the rhetorical hatred spewed by the leader of his church, but refuses to DISASSOCIATE himself FROM the church?
Yeh…I’ll swallow that…Hook, line, and sinker.
Sure I will
franksalterego on March 14, 2008 at 5:00 PM
That Natalie Holloway remark was really grotesque. To the extent Wright was trying to call attention to the perceived double standard regarding women who go missing, you’d think he could have found a way to do it without calling Holloway a drunken whore. Imagine Wright’s outrage if someone had actually dared to cruelly disparage the Duke Lacrosse accuser.
And this is a guy Barak and Michelle presumably point to as a role model for their two little girls. Nice.
Infidoll on March 14, 2008 at 5:22 PM
After years of priests-as-child-molesters, nuns-as-child-seducers, mail-order-Revs-Sharpton-and-Jesse-as-race-baiters, hassid-chasing-whores-in-Williamburg, Baker-as-Spitzer all the way to the Huckster at the “moderate” end and on and on and on. Just how seriously does anyone take so-called religious leaders or “serious adherants”? I’ll form my own opinion and maintain my own relationship with my God – thank you very much and you can shove your organized religion – keep it out of my face and out of my government.
Part of this is being driven by the Limbaugh crap that Hillary will be easier to beat – when the truth is that Hillary in the White House will be a ratings wet dream for those self-annointed radio and cable-geniuses who thrive on confrontation and distraction in a way not all that different from tin-horn dictators if you think about it.
sanguine4 on March 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM
sanguine4 on March 14, 2008 at 5:24 PM
I’m not sure I quite get your point, Sanguine. The issue isn’t whether “anyone” takes any given religous leader seriously, the issue is that Obama, for reasons that surpass understanding, seems to respect and admire this Wright character. That says something about him that Americans, especially those moved by his lofty, post-racial rhetoric, should probably consider before casting their vote.
And I don’t see how Hillary would be any more lucrative for right-wing radio than Barak Hussein Obama. And then there’s that wife of his….
Infidoll on March 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM
No one that has read the words of Wright or watched his videos can be deluded into thinking a new pastor will change the outlook of that group of racists. If they tried, I’m guessing, they’d last about a nanosecond, and Wright would be back in the pulpit. Twenty years of indoctrination would influence anyone’s view. We can poke fun, as well as scorn, at groups like the KKK and other skinhead type organizations, but this group hangs their authority on conspiracies and hate of anyone different as well. No compassion for anyone that has not “suffered” as they perceive they have. It makes me ill to think a person of that mindset is running for the White House.
24K lady on March 14, 2008 at 5:56 PM
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