Hot Air TV: Sen. John Kerry confronted about Winter Soldier II
posted at 11:13 pm on March 12, 2008 by Michelle
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Cross-posted at michellemalkin.com…
Grab the popcorn. We’ve got another joint YAF/Hot Air TV production for you, just in time for the anti-war confab known as “Winter Soldier II” that kicks off in Washington, D.C. tomorrow and runs through Sunday. YAF’s Jason Mattera, our intrepid special correspondent who cornered Jack Murtha in September, is back in the halls of Congress. And showing no mercy.
This week, Jason caught up with the original Winter Soldier, Sen. John Kerry, and confronted him about his unsubstantiated, troop-smearing testimony. Jason also tried to get him to autograph this picture. Watch:
Also on YouTube.
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Here’s the transcript:
Opening slate: On January 31, 1971, John Kerry organized the Winter Soldier Investigations, a media event that falsely accused American soldiers of routinely raping, torturing, and murdering innocent Vietnamese civilians.
Second slate: From March 13-16, 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War has coordinated a second Winter Soldier Investigations in an effort to assail the U.S. Military in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Third slate: On March 11, 2008, Jason Mattera of Young America’s Foundation confronted Senator Kerry (D-MA) about Winter Soldier II and the Senator’s shady past.
MATTERA: Hey, Sen. Kerry! Jason Mattera with Young America’s Foundation. How are you?
KERRY: Jason. How are you?
MATTERA: I was wondering: Do you have any advice for the new group of activists who are organizing Winter Soldier II?
KERRY: I haven’t [unintelligble] what they’re doing or where they’re at. I just don’t…
MATTERA: Do you think this crop of anti-war activists, do you there’ll be any frauds like Al Hubbard?
KERRY: I have no idea. I hope not.
MATTERA: Do you think that they will make slanderous accusations–accusing the troops of raping women, pillaging villaging, just like you did to the Fulbright committee?
KERRY: Uh, I didn’t make those.
MATTERA: You didn’t?
Audio clip, John Kerry, 4/22/71: [They told the stories at times] they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
Kerry claims Winter Soldier Investigations were substantiated by further investigation.
MATTERA: Did you ever verify those
KERRY (crosstalk): I’ve been misquoted about that hundreds of times.
MATTERA: So you never substantiated those charges before you–
KERRY: I proposed–I gave them to the committee because I felt that they ought to be investigated and that’s exactly what I said. These are the–many of those charges, incidentally, were subsequently verified by different entities.
Slate: No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the [Army’s Criminal Investigative Division] investigations into Winter Soldier.
FrontPageMag.com, February 25, 2008
Slate: Much of the testimony that will be heard during the three days could not be corroborated by the Free Press in the ten days it had to run down each account.
Detroit Free Press, January 31, 1971
MATTERA: Could you sign the picture of the dedication the North Vietnamese created in helping–claiming you helped them win the war?
KERRY: No. No.
MATTERA: Do you have any thoughts?
KERRY (puts hand on Jason’s shoulder): Who do you represent?
MATTERA: Young America’s Foundation.
KERRY: Ohhh.
MATTERA: Does it bother you that the North Vietnamese created a memorial dedicated to you?
KERRY: It’s not dedicated to me.
Slate: At the Communists War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City, John Kerry’s picture hangs in a section dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War.
End slate:
Reputations ruined.
Lives torn apart.
Servicemen maligned.
We can’t let lies like Kerry’s go unchallenged again.
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The Winter Soldier II hearings kick off tonight. They will be broadcast here.
The schedule:
Winter Soldier Schedule
All times below are Eastern Time. Schedule subject to change.
Thursday, March 13 Streaming video only
7:00PM-9:00PM Winter Soldier and the legacy of GI ResistanceFriday, March 14 Satellite TV, internet video, internet audio, radio
9:00AM – 10:45AM Rules of Engagement: Part One
11:00AM – 12:30PM The Crisis in Veterans’ Heathcare
2:00PM – 3:30PM Corporate Pillaging and Military Contractors
4:00PM – 6:00PM Rules of Engagement: Part Two
7:00PM – 8:30PM Aims of the Global War on Terror: the Political, Legal, and Economic Context of Iraq and AfghanistanSaturday, March 15 Satellite TV, internet video, internet audio, radio
9:00AM – 10:30AM Divide To Conquer: Gender and Sexuality in the Military
11:00AM – 1:00PM Racism and War: the Dehumanization of the Enemy: Part One
2:00PM – 3:30PM Racism and War: the Dehumanization of the Enemy: Part Two
4:00PM – 6PM Civilian Testimony: The Cost of War in Iraq and Afghanistan
7:00PM – 8:30PM The Cost of the War at HomeSunday, March 16 Internet video, internet audio, radio
10:00AM – 1:00PM The Breakdown of the Military
2:00PM – 3:15PM The Future of GI Resistance
The invaluable Reporter’s Guide to WSII from Denis Keohane is here. More on the WSII/IVAW hype and advertising here.
Many pro-military bloggers will be attending and will be liveblogging. Track back if you’re one of them–and thank you for your service past, present, and future.
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Don’t be concerned about him as he doesn’t seem to miss it one little bit. Maybe it all rubed off on the hat that he lost in Cambodia.
MB4 on March 13, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Now I seriously envy Michelle. I’ve had people accidentally agree with me. But I’ve never been revered. Must feel awesome.
freevillage on March 13, 2008 at 1:41 AM
… I see you are still here, OK, this is what our country is all about.
But before we begin the discourse again, I missed your answer to our last round….
Can you please, once again, tell me what it is to be “Free”??
Should be easy, right?
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 1:51 AM
“freevillage on March 13, 2008 at 1:41 AM”
….. still waiting, how about “Freedom”?
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 1:54 AM
….. still waiting, how about “Fighting for your Freedom”?
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 1:55 AM
…..stil waiting, how about “Winning your Freedom”?
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 1:56 AM
….still waiting, how about “Keeping your Freedom”?
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 1:57 AM
…….let me give you a ‘hint’, freevillage, ….
FREEDOM ISN’T FREE!!!!!!!!!
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Dude – freevillage may have his own problems with freedom.
In a way many of us can never imagine.
Kini on March 13, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Dude – freevillage may have his own problems with freedom.
In a way many of us can never imagine.
Kini on March 13, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment:
Why is Kerry allowed to be a Senator without a two-thirds vote of each House?
Red Pill on March 13, 2008 at 2:05 AM
No body lies like a liar.
Johan Klaus on March 13, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Kini, with respect, understanding another’s “concept” of their freedom is one thing, but if they enjoy our freedom to enter the discourse and start “bad mouthing” the United States and it’s leaders based on a one sided leftist political agenda that spits in the eye of every US and Coalition soldier in the field…….. then I just might have to take issue.
Kini, you’re and have always been an asset to this sight, I am back after spending time in pergatury, and will call them as I see them, and if I offend thee, my humble apologies….
Seven Percent Solution on March 13, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Jason “Dont quiz him bro” because Kerry might have called in the tasers
William Amos on March 13, 2008 at 2:23 AM
Great clip. Kerry’s a putz who would do anything to tank our troops.
I recommend folks read the Inside Hanoi’s Secret Archives to learn just how close we came to uncovering the truth about ALL our POW/MIA’s in Viet Nam…until John Kerry came along, that is…
rotorhead on March 13, 2008 at 2:47 AM
No apologies necessary, and thank you for your service to our great country. I cannot imagine what purgatory could be like and I don’t know if I could be strong as you to have lived it.
I do agree that “bad mouthing” the United States is abhorrent in any case. Defending John Kerry’s actions testifying before congress is nothing more than disgraceful and repugnant. Kerry’s actions then and now are in my opinion, treasonous.
I think freevillage is misguided and wrong in his opinion.
He just seems angry.
Best regards,
Kini on March 13, 2008 at 3:01 AM
Awesome, Simply Awesome!
Semper Fidelis Jason Matera, you be Da Man!!
BobUSMC on March 13, 2008 at 4:56 AM
Ok, russki, I don’t know if you’re checking back or not, but in English, “you all” = “you”
So in technical grammar, which is the thin substance of your argument, Mattera did not “lie.”
It’s not just possibly fair, it is a memorial.
According to Random House Unabridged Dictionary:
memorial = something designed to preserve the memory of a person, event, etc.
But russki, let’s talk lies and truth here.
The truth: Kerry spread lies about our side during a time of war, demoralizing ourselves and encouraging our erstwhile enemies.
The lie: Kerry did no such thing.
Your irritating sophistry and condescending pose of the dispassionate intellectual score zero points around here.
silverfox on March 13, 2008 at 6:19 AM
You have to hand it to Kerry, he stayed cool and collected unlike murtha. He either believes his lies now or has practiced his answers over and over again.
peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 6:26 AM
YUP! These are the scumbags that the Demoncrat Party elects to high public office and it is the SAME REASON I will absolutely NEVER VOTE DEMONCRAT in my lifetime.
jimbo2008 on March 13, 2008 at 6:50 AM
Bet Sen. Kerry will try to introduce a bill that will provide Secret Service for members of Congress to keep all you lousey peasants at least 100 feet away from them.
I have been waiting most of my life for payback on this POS.
Bicyea on March 13, 2008 at 6:52 AM
Bravo Hot Air! Bravo YAF! Well done. Getting ahead of the curve, setting the tone.
Zorro on March 13, 2008 at 7:27 AM
I’m still not a fan of these types of ambush interviews. I don’t see the difference between this and the Truthers that haunt Russert, Hannity, etc.
Again, I think these things just get praise because they fall on the “correct” part of the ideological spectrum. Nothing productive comes from it other than people can slap each on the back for a gotcha moment. I know, I know. I’m like the last remaining person that thinks the right should have a higher standard…
Spirit of 1776 on March 13, 2008 at 7:31 AM
Take your moral relativism medicine. A nutjob screaming at someone in the street or throwing snowballs is the same thing as this interview? Granted Jason asked some very uncomfortbale questions but he didn’t badger kerry and when kerry decided to walk away he did unmolested. Do you really believe Jason and his message is no different then the truthers?
peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 7:35 AM
Pardon?
I don’t object to his message. Though his message isn’t really about Kerry, it’s more about making a name for himself I think.
It’s the style I find distasteful. It is like the Truthers. Or like the guy that tried to get Michelle to sign that detention camp photo at CPAC. Again, it’s only “cool” because it’s “conservative”. It’s not cool.
Every citizen has the right to petition the government for a redress of their grievances. That’s not what is happening here. Here we have someone harassing someone else while they are in transit. I know all the lines about the press falling down on the job and no one asking him the hard questions, etc, but this isn’t journalism, this is just tension made for tv.
Spirit of 1776 on March 13, 2008 at 7:45 AM
I disagree, primarily because the Truthers just make stuff up. What Kerry did, and what Jason said he did, actually happened. Kerry did say those things and do those things; as did Murtha.
However, I do agree that the style left me a little taken aback; I’m all for confrontation but to spring on him in a hallway like Kato from Pink Panther was a little uncomfortable for me. Not because I felt bad for Kerry (who everyone knew was going to lie anyway) but because it seemed, for lack of a better word, rude. And our side should be better than that. Give me the agreed-to, sit-down, no holds barred professional interview.
Having said all that, it was great to watch Kerry get all flustered.
emailnuevo on March 13, 2008 at 7:50 AM
That was all kinds of awesome!
Mig on March 13, 2008 at 8:06 AM
I love how Kerry says, “I’ve been misquoted on that hundreds of times” when recordings of his own clenched-jaw, hey-Muffy-let’s-go-to-the-cotillion, country club voice saying it match exactly with the transcripts.
(Those words were seared, seared into my memory.)
James on March 13, 2008 at 8:10 AM
Shouldn’t have been taking a drink of water at that time….had to clean the mess off my monitor…
bikermailman on March 13, 2008 at 8:17 AM
I doff my hat to this young man.
hoi polloi on March 13, 2008 at 8:34 AM
I dislike these types of ambush interviews as well, regardless of the idiology of the reporter and or the affiliation of the pol. They seem a bit unbecoming, I guess.
Unfortunately unless you have a rep for tossing softballs these pols will never agree to a sit down interview.(Disclosure time: I worked for a US Congressman.) So it is, for now, one of the few ways an independant reporter can ask hardball questions.
It is a bit like swallowing bad tasting medicine, not pleasant but you know it’s good for you.
Alden Pyle on March 13, 2008 at 8:40 AM
You know, I find it funny… blogs like this and Michelle’s regularly attack 60 Minutes for work that is 100% more balanced, thoughtful and accurate.
You guys lament “hit pieces” in the New York Times that give MUCH more balance than this.
But this is celebrated. Pretty funny.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 8:42 AM
Spirit of 1776 on March 13, 2008 at 7:45 AM
Nice see that someone on here saw through this BS.
I again find it funny that many people applauded Mamet’s article yesterday, trumpeting rational thought, then the next day start jumping up and down like a monkey in a cage for this tripe.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 8:48 AM
Wow :) It’s a good thing I’m not black. I know how you’d address me then.
freevillage on March 13, 2008 at 8:48 AM
Winner of the thread.
freevillage on March 13, 2008 at 8:51 AM
Maybe Kerry can run for President of Vietnam… him being such a hero and all…. OH WAIT…. do they have elections in Vietnam?… No?… That’s right, they don’t!… Totalitarian regimes don’t hold elections…. gee whiz…. no wonder the government of Vietnam loves him so much… they never have to go thru that whole electoral college thingy. Wow… so I guess Kerry IS a hero! Way to go Senator!!! Kudos!
Gartrip on March 13, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Good morning freevillage. I apologize for resorting to tagging you as communist just because you are Russian. No sarc.
carbon_footprint on March 13, 2008 at 9:18 AM
I don’t like these methods at all and won’t watch another one of these. Interview was fine, but I also immediately thought of Michelle when he asked Kerry to sign that photograph. It was unnecessary; he had made his point very well already. Going over the top and being unnecessarily confrontational doesn’t not help prove the point. It will just turn off those who may have been willing to be open to a viewpoint they had not considered before. My opinion.
RW Wacko on March 13, 2008 at 9:19 AM
You guys claim to be for the troops, but only when they say things that help your cause. The level of contempt you people show against Kerry and his service is despicable and you all should be ashamed of yourselves for cheering this little brat on. From the “Purple Heart Bandages” to this brat claiming he hates his country for testimony on what he saw in Vietnam the right’s shown it’s true colors.
Typhonsentra on March 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM
I don’t think there is any sort of amalgamation of metals that could be put together to describe the composition of this young man’s balls. A true patriot.
matd on March 13, 2008 at 9:27 AM
OH – THIS IS SO GOOD!
It’s nice to see this lying coward confronted with facts. Truth? He can’t handle the truth.
It’s especially satisfying for me, as I’m a 24-year Navy veteran and have the utter misfortune of being “represented” by this clown.
BRAVO ZULU to Hotair & YAF.
(I love the animated HA bug in the lower right-hand corner, btw).
Corky on March 13, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Does anyone really believe that John Kerry would agree to do any type of interview with Jason Matteira?? Sorry, but at times, the spring it on em in the hallway method is the only way possible to confront these lying POS.
4shoes on March 13, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Not only that, but he testified (and lied) while still a naval reserve officer. This is punishable under the UCMJ.
Wrong. He never saw it. See http://wintersoldier.com
Corky on March 13, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Over here. I don’t like these kinds of ambush interviews either. Neither did Michelle, I thought.
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2008 at 10:08 AM
The single room in Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum dedicated to protesters who helped them win the war IS a memorial to John Kerry and the other idiots who provided propaganda to help the enemy.
Regarding Kerry’s wounds. They are self inflicted or non existent according to witness present at the time.
His medals for heroism are also a sham. Which is why he threw them on the White House lawn. Kerry secretly loathes himself.
dogsoldier on March 13, 2008 at 10:13 AM
I’ve honestly been trying to come up with an enlightening response to your post that might shed some light on why conservatives consistently support our troops, how that effects the morale of those who are fighting the fight and how Democrats acting lke surrender monkeys embolden our enemies, detract from gains made, drag out the fight and give cause to even more deaths to soldiers and civilians alike.
However, as a veteran, and as a father whose son is currently involved in the struggle against jihad, I have taken a different route and decided to respond to your post in the following manner ……
F*ck you, you ignoramous, and f*ck your lying two-faced pal John Kerry.
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM
That
was
awesome!!!
Great work Jason.
wink on March 13, 2008 at 10:23 AM
dogsoldier,
Read up on the facts:
http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html
And I’ll end this post with a quote from another Vietnaim vet.
I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crewmates have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. — John McCain
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Terrific job by HotAir and Jason Mattera.
Finally, JFK gets his handed to him.
And, to think he was almost president?
gatewaypundit on March 13, 2008 at 10:25 AM
Can someone please answer one question??
Why are these politicians not held accountable for their actions??????? Why are they still in positions of power???? WHY??????
THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!!!!!!!
bloggless on March 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Once again, the truth hurts.
Travis1 on March 13, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Thanks Jason. He was the reason I began blogging in 2004, and it is clear that he refuses to come to grips with the lies he has told and the lives he damaged in the process. I want to vomit whenever I consider that he remains a US Senator.
Froggy on March 13, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Superb. Better in all probability than anything the GOP party machine could produce.
Keep fighting for America Jason!
Pax americana on March 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM
HotAir and Jason… man, y’all got a yarda’ admirable cold nerve.
Nice work, Kerry deserves to be called on his BS at regular intervals.
christophercube on March 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM
I’ll fix your only mistake— John F*ckin Kerry
Bicyea on March 13, 2008 at 10:51 AM
You mean, she produced and cross-posted the video on both of her websites to show her disapproval?
freevillage on March 13, 2008 at 11:05 AM
What?
Jim Treacher on March 13, 2008 at 11:27 AM
As a two time Iraq vet… I can’t say how angered I get when people like this open their mouths. If we were the horrible people they make us out to be, we’d just act like a radical muslim fundamentalist and take them out for undermining and dishonoring our service and making our deployments more dangerous. but we are not, and we won’t. I guess they don’t care how many of us are ruined/slandered in the court of world opinion or killed as they embolden our enemies. I doubt Osama and his crowd would be so kind to dissenting opinion… That is the irony…
BadBrad on March 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Brad,
I’m not a soldier or have served, and I thank you for your service, but don’t you think sending soldiers into war “ruins” many of their lives more so than pointing out the things that soldiers sometimes do under the conditions of war?
Personally, I believe Kerry was acting in defense of soldiers when he spoke to Congress. The Vietnam war was not a pleasant experience for them it seems, and stuff like Mai Lai happened.
The question then was, is this war worth what’s happening to our soldiers over there?
Personally, I give soldiers a lot of leeway. You can’t expect men and woman to be broken down then taught to kill to always act in a civilized manner… especially under the stress of war. That’s why you use troops carefully.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM
My God, that’s a stretch.
Kerry’s interests were – and have always been – self-interests.
Corky on March 13, 2008 at 12:10 PM
That’s pretty obvious from your naive comments.
He made up fairy tales and called all the soldiers serving in Vietnam baby-killers.
Brilliant. Just Brilliant. Yeh, from now on we should only involve our troops in wars that are a pleasant experience. Get a clue man. War is hell, but often times necessary.
Dude. We were winning that war, even though the press was reporting every night that we were losing. Sound familiar?
You know nothing about honor, duty and country, do you? Millions upon millions of U.S. troops have served their country, killed the enemy in battle, then returned home to live normal productive lives. And they did it without any complaints or reservations, unlike the traitor John F. Kerry.
Thanks for the advice, General Nancy.
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Since you have never served, are you really one to “judge” what others who have been should be able to say or do?
Kerry is a jerk, staight out. He has shown himself time and time again how he feels about the Military over and over.
I wish you could seriously look past the rhetoric and think in the abstract of what the Military in general has to go throw due to these individuals.
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Since you have never served, are you really one to “judge” what others who have been should be able to say or do?
Show me where I’ve made any judgement on what service men and women should be able to say or do.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM
THAT would be concidered a judgement. Sometimes an opinion has a weight that some people need to look at, or at least think before they speak. I.E. Kerry!
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 12:19 PM
upinak, if that in fact is your real name, that statement in no way is a judgement on what soldiers should be able to do or say. Get real, man.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Wow, I have to use my real name. Ok it is Christine and with that said I re-enlisted.
Your mannerism of how you think concerning the troops is annoying. YOU DID judge and used a question to justify it! But as I said in a earlier post. You haven’t served, you aren’t one to judge. Maybe you don’t think of it that way, but there are obviously other who have “replied” to you that think that same as I.
Have a great day!
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Brilliant. Just Brilliant. Yeh, from now on we should only involve our troops in wars that are a pleasant experience. Get a clue man. War is hell, but often times necessary.
Speaking of brilliant, my point IS war is hell and only enter it when necessary, as is shown with my follow up question:
The question then was, is this war worth what’s happening to our soldiers over there?
ie… was the war necessary?
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM
McCain-Malkin 2008!!!
Courage, conviction, candor, charisma, and commitment!!!
HotAirJosef on March 13, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Ok it is Christine
Sorry, get real, woman.
I’m not exactly sure how you think I’m judging soldiers. I’m certainly not making any judgement on what they should be able to do or say.
But, good luck to you.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM
BRAVO ZULU, fgw!
Corky on March 13, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Here’s how ……
Or, how about this ……
Sounds to me like you were judging Kerry, and rather admirably I might add. Now I’ll admit it’s a stretch to call him a soldier, but he was in Vietnam, so for the sake of argument let’s pretend he qualifies as a soldier just by being there and shooting himself to get a few Purple Hearts and subsequent discharge. You judged him, and by default you also judged the actions of the soldiers he was condemning.
Keep talking. The hole is getting wider and deeper.
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM
SSWWWWEEEEETTTTTT!!!!
Sultry Beauty on March 13, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Mr. Teresa Heinz Kerry also accused our soldiers in Iraq of terrorizing Iraqi women ‘in the dead of night’, etc.
That would be the only thing I would have added to Jason’s wonderful confrontation. I love Jason and the YAF.
“Ok it is Christine
Sorry, get real, woman.”
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Is there another Christine here or are you hallucinating? this is my first post on this story.
Christine on March 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Christine on March 13, 2008 at 1:24 PM
He wanted my “first name” for whatever reason. Nice to meet you.
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM
I get it…thanks for the explanation and ‘how dee do’ to you too! Maybe he wants to send you a Code Pink pamphlet. ;-)
Christine on March 13, 2008 at 1:43 PM
Christine? Is that you?
carbon_footprint on March 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Three Cheers for Fogw …
Fogw, please understand, Tom Shipley never learned to fight for his freedom. He was only good at enjoying it. Maybe we should not let reality intrude on his delightful fantasy.
Ghostbuster on March 13, 2008 at 1:57 PM
carbon_footprint on March 13, 2008 at 1:56 PM
be specific.. we gots LOTS of Christine’s in here!
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 2:08 PM
I’m still laughing about Kerry’s self inflicted splinter earning him a Purple Heart and there was another officer in the small boat he was in at the time who confirmed Kerry’s faux injury was slight.
That witness became an admiral. The stuff at factcheck is based on Kerry’s self serving, self authored, documentation. Now if you compare how Kerry “earned” his other medals to those of an actual hero, say, Richard Winters of the 506th PIR you will find a vast difference.
But this has been hashed endlessly. At the river incident where one swift boat hit a mine two others stayed on station pulling others out of the water, Kerry by his own admission, ordered his boat to flee. In this old soldier’s book that constitutes desertion and cowardice in the face of the enemy.
All I can say is if members of my unit remained in jeopardy, I would remain and get them out, regardless of my own personal safety. Also I would not go around later with a movie camera trying to ‘document’ my actions.
He only returned after the other swiftboat commanders called repeatedly for him to return. They are on the record with this and there is an open invitation for him to sue if he wishes to refute something they have claimed. He chose not to.
dogsoldier on March 13, 2008 at 3:04 PM
So who should ask these people the tough questions? Katie Couric? Maybe Rush the next time kerry makes his regular appearance on his show? For over 50 years these lying, dishonorable, self annointed elitist leftists have tried to destroy the United States with thier propaganda wing, the msm. Now we have the internet and the new media and people like you think it is rude to use it? Don’t be rude to sens kerry, schumer, murtha or kennedy! Heavens no! They are after all US senators! Take some political correctness laxative after you take your moral relativism medication.
peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 3:24 PM
They are on the record with this and there is an open invitation for him to sue if he wishes to refute something they have claimed. He chose not to.He could shoot down the Swift Boat veterans if he is telling the truth by simply authorizing the full release of his military files but he won’t. He won’t because it is likely his true discharge was less then honorable. I’m not military but from what I understand a general discharge is like someone pleading no contest. It’s possible that he originally got a general or even dishonorable because he went to paris and met with the north vietnamese while still on active duty. His discharge was dated at the time of carters pardon of the vietnam deserters. Jim Webbs signature is on the du=ischarge papers but he has said publicly he knows nothing about them. It’s common knowledge that kerry’s actual discharge was around 1972. By the time of his later (changed) discharge he was already famous and it would have caught Webb’s attention.
peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 3:34 PM
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peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Well said.
kerry was saying what he was told to say by his north vietnam handlers. He nearly single handedly created the myth of barbaric US soldiers in vietnam that hollywood perpetuated. The truth is that, just as in Iraq, the military is an extension of the good hearted and kind American people and did incredible good for the innocents caught up in that war. There is always crime in war but the planet has never known a military like the US military. We give back and rebuild and always have.
peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 4:01 PM
For the left, it is not that their man lied, it is the seriousness of the charge.
Johan Klaus on March 13, 2008 at 4:05 PM
I’ll go ahead and play the role of contrarian. I’ve got no great affection for Kerry, but I thought that was a lame interview. Ambush “journalism” is amateurish, and Jason comes off as a lightweight goofball. Reminded me of something you might see from Stuttering John or Gary of the Howard Stern Show.
dakine on March 13, 2008 at 4:30 PM
He nearly single handedly created the myth of barbaric US soldiers in Vietnam that Hollywood perpetuated.
These guys may have had something to do with that.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/10/20/vietnam_atrocities_revealed_in_report_boston_globe/?page=1
And I don’t know of any films based off of Kerry’s testimony. Platoon was based off of Oliver Stone’s experience, Casualties of War was based on an article depicting an actual event.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM
You cite that particular article, yet you make the claim that you are not judging our soldiers?
You are a shameless liar, just like your hero Kerry.
Now why don’t you do us all a big favor and crawl back under your rock.
Scumbag.
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 5:44 PM
No, fogw, I’m not judging those soldiers. I’m just stating a fact.
peaceprosperity said Kerry invented a myth of US soldiers committing atrocities in Vietnam. I disagreed and cited evidence.
Lovely talking with you.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM
You know it makes me sick to my stomach to know that there are men like you in the United States who are so defeatist and smug.
Kerry served. Need you say more… nope!
Yet, here you are, swinging that hammer hoping that someone thinks you are correct.
Sir, you are not correct in anything you have said. You have your opinion and that is where it should be left at… an opinion.
I am really tired of watching you post crap that you can’t back up. Prove Kerry “invented” a myth that isn’t a left leaning blog or news article owned by liberals. I doubt you can.
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Hey dummy, you linked to an article by the troop-haters at the Associated Press titled, “Elite unit said to kill hundreds of civilians”. The author and the title should have given you a clue, but concrete’s pretty thick stuff. Perhaps you should have taken the time to actually read it. But we all understand why that would be a brain-stumping burden for you.
You cited an article where charges were made by a few, where no one was prosecuted for lack of sufficent evidence and where no one was found guilty of any war crimes.
Now I’m finished talking with you. Idiot.
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM
fogw… not worth getting worked up about. They are coming out of the wood work more then ever now.
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Bunch of American guys hanging out in vietnamese villages trying not to be noticed while they spied on the enemy. Huh.
How did you grow to hate your country so much that you will believe anything? What is there about you that has created such bitterness?
peacenprosperity on March 13, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Not to worry.
Shooting fish in a barrel is one of my favorite pastimes.
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 6:42 PM
fogw on March 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM
The Army investigation says this, not the AP. The article also quotes soldiers who took part in this:
The Army’s 4 1/2-year investigation, never before made public, was initiated by a soldier outraged at the killings. The probe substantiated 20 war crimes by 18 soldiers and reached the Pentagon and White House before it was closed in 1975, The Blade said.
William Doyle, a former Tiger Force sergeant now living in Willow Springs, Mo., said he killed so many civilians in 1967 he lost count.
“We didn’t expect to live. Nobody out there with any brains expected to live,” he told the newspaper. “The way to live is to kill, because you don’t have to worry about anybody who’s dead.”
Ignore reality all you like, call me whatever names you like, but the truth is the truth. The Army investigated this and concluded the unit committed these acts. Villagers and members of the unit have corroborated the accounts found in the report. There was a lot of reporting done on this.
Again, I am not judging these soldiers. As I posted earlier, I have sympathies with soldiers and their job. It’s tough work. I appreciate what they do.
But acknowledging reality is not being defeatist. Many of the accusations Kerry asked to be investigated when he testified have been found to be true, as he says in the video.
So, go ahead again call me a scumbag or whatever, I hope you have enough reason in your head not to do so, but that’s beyond my control.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 7:45 PM
What is there about you that has created such bitterness?
You’re asking me about bitterness? that just takes the cake.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Re: my last post… thought fogw posted that comment, but it was peacepropensity. While he has shown an ability to misconstrue what I’ve said to fulfill his fantasy that all liberals hate america, he hasn’t shown much in the form of bitterness.
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Tom_Shipley on March 13, 2008 at 7:59 PM
where is that link? Still waiting!
I have a feeling I will be waiting a long long time.
upinak on March 13, 2008 at 8:24 PM
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