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	<title>Comments on: Fred Kaplan: Fallon wasn&#8217;t pushed out over Iran</title>
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		<title>By: The Thunder Run</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AH_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>AH_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pseudonominus on March 12, 2008 at 3:42 PM
&lt;blockquote&gt;The question is: &lt;strong&gt;Will rank insubordination on a scale arguably not seen in a military commander since MacArthur&lt;/strong&gt; faded away nearly six decades ago be rewarded by still higher office? Will Democratic politicians, so anxious to demean George Bush’s presidency and seek partisan advantage by pandering to the American people’s penchant for ignoring, rather than confronting emerging threats, resist the temptation to embrace Fox Fallon? Or will they seek to burnish their own, woefully inadequate national-security credentials by enlisting this arrogant, short-sighted, and insubordinate officer in a new, and probably even more problematic, political career?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I dunno... Comparing Fallon to MacArthur is overstating Fallon&#039;s public popularity &amp; warfighter cred.  More apt would be comparing him to Wesley Clark - both &quot;fired&quot; for insubordination and undue cockiness -- offhand, ironic that they both gravitated to donk politics.

Put another way, sorta like cHillary fancying herself as POTUS &amp; Ubambi as her VP required the willing suspension of disbelief even as she trails him on all the vital numbers.  Yet, that either Bozos would consider either Clark or Fallon as potential VP or high level Cabinet, ie SoS or SoD, as a way of gaining votes in Nov is equally ludicrous.  

Hmmm, we should do more to encourage this delusion.  Bwahaha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pseudonominus on March 12, 2008 at 3:42 PM</p>
<blockquote><p>The question is: <strong>Will rank insubordination on a scale arguably not seen in a military commander since MacArthur</strong> faded away nearly six decades ago be rewarded by still higher office? Will Democratic politicians, so anxious to demean George Bush’s presidency and seek partisan advantage by pandering to the American people’s penchant for ignoring, rather than confronting emerging threats, resist the temptation to embrace Fox Fallon? Or will they seek to burnish their own, woefully inadequate national-security credentials by enlisting this arrogant, short-sighted, and insubordinate officer in a new, and probably even more problematic, political career?</p></blockquote>
<p>I dunno&#8230; Comparing Fallon to MacArthur is overstating Fallon&#8217;s public popularity &amp; warfighter cred.  More apt would be comparing him to Wesley Clark &#8211; both &#8220;fired&#8221; for insubordination and undue cockiness &#8212; offhand, ironic that they both gravitated to donk politics.</p>
<p>Put another way, sorta like cHillary fancying herself as POTUS &amp; Ubambi as her VP required the willing suspension of disbelief even as she trails him on all the vital numbers.  Yet, that either Bozos would consider either Clark or Fallon as potential VP or high level Cabinet, ie SoS or SoD, as a way of gaining votes in Nov is equally ludicrous.  </p>
<p>Hmmm, we should do more to encourage this delusion.  Bwahaha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Squid Shark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squid Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When he was PACOM Commander, he invited top Chinese military brass to swarm all over the insides of Pacific Fleet Navy ships on which most US citizens will never set foot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fallon kept the Chinese Navy checked at every turn, quietly reasserting our relationships with other Navy&#039;s keeping them out of Chinas pocket. The Chinese saw the same crap you see when the public goes onboard a ship during Fleet week.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Michael Savage called out Fallon in a big way on his talk show while Fallon was still PACOM Commander — and before he was anointed as CentCom Commander — a position he never should have been given.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The fact that you listen to that gasbag and take him seriously says alot.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I pray that either a soldier or a Marine is appointed the new CentCom commander: as Iraq and Afghanistan are pre-eminently ground wars —&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Fallon was in that post for Iran, a war that will most sertainly be pre-eminently Naval, if it happens.

&lt;blockquote&gt;and the only Navy pilot we need in that job is one that is ITCHING to strike Iran (something precisely that Fallon is not)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah because thats what you want in a military commander, someone itching to attack. That is the LAST thing you want, you want a measured and considered commander that will act when necessary and make good decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When he was PACOM Commander, he invited top Chinese military brass to swarm all over the insides of Pacific Fleet Navy ships on which most US citizens will never set foot.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fallon kept the Chinese Navy checked at every turn, quietly reasserting our relationships with other Navy&#8217;s keeping them out of Chinas pocket. The Chinese saw the same crap you see when the public goes onboard a ship during Fleet week.</p>
<blockquote><p>Michael Savage called out Fallon in a big way on his talk show while Fallon was still PACOM Commander — and before he was anointed as CentCom Commander — a position he never should have been given.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact that you listen to that gasbag and take him seriously says alot.</p>
<blockquote><p>I pray that either a soldier or a Marine is appointed the new CentCom commander: as Iraq and Afghanistan are pre-eminently ground wars —</p></blockquote>
<p>Fallon was in that post for Iran, a war that will most sertainly be pre-eminently Naval, if it happens.</p>
<blockquote><p>and the only Navy pilot we need in that job is one that is ITCHING to strike Iran (something precisely that Fallon is not)</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah because thats what you want in a military commander, someone itching to attack. That is the LAST thing you want, you want a measured and considered commander that will act when necessary and make good decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: sanantonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanantonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fallon is a true putz. When he was PACOM Commander, he invited top Chinese military brass to swarm all over the insides of Pacific Fleet Navy ships on which most US citizens will never set foot.  

Michael Savage called out Fallon in a big way on his talk show while Fallon was still PACOM Commander -- and before he was anointed as CentCom Commander -- a position he never should have been given.

Now, after Fallon showed his willful ways, publicly expressing Democratic talking points in open defiance of his Commander-in-Chief, he has been -- thank the LORD -- been unceremoniously canned.

I pray that either a soldier or a Marine is appointed the new CentCom commander: as Iraq and Afghanistan are pre-eminently ground wars -- and the only Navy pilot we need in that job is one that is ITCHING to strike Iran (something precisely that Fallon is not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fallon is a true putz. When he was PACOM Commander, he invited top Chinese military brass to swarm all over the insides of Pacific Fleet Navy ships on which most US citizens will never set foot.  </p>
<p>Michael Savage called out Fallon in a big way on his talk show while Fallon was still PACOM Commander &#8212; and before he was anointed as CentCom Commander &#8212; a position he never should have been given.</p>
<p>Now, after Fallon showed his willful ways, publicly expressing Democratic talking points in open defiance of his Commander-in-Chief, he has been &#8212; thank the LORD &#8212; been unceremoniously canned.</p>
<p>I pray that either a soldier or a Marine is appointed the new CentCom commander: as Iraq and Afghanistan are pre-eminently ground wars &#8212; and the only Navy pilot we need in that job is one that is ITCHING to strike Iran (something precisely that Fallon is not).</p>
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		<title>By: Squid Shark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squid Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

From Comments in the link above to the Petraeus article (January 2008):

    I’m still rooting for Petraeus to emerge as the GOP nominee from a brokered convention this year.

sigh…

pseudonominus on March 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since there is no proof (nor should there be) the Petraus is a Republican, than this would be a risky proposition, no.

Remember how Stormin Norman became a horrid RINO when he endorsed McCain. What about Powell (gasp) a moderate.</description>
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<p>From Comments in the link above to the Petraeus article (January 2008):</p>
<p>    I’m still rooting for Petraeus to emerge as the GOP nominee from a brokered convention this year.</p>
<p>sigh…</p>
<p>pseudonominus on March 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM
</p></blockquote>
<p>Since there is no proof (nor should there be) the Petraus is a Republican, than this would be a risky proposition, no.</p>
<p>Remember how Stormin Norman became a horrid RINO when he endorsed McCain. What about Powell (gasp) a moderate.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fallon was opposed to the surge and knocked heads with Petraeus from the onset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fallon was opposed to the surge and knocked heads with Petraeus from the onset.</p>
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		<title>By: michaelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaplan&#039;s a smart guy, extremely well-read and researched in military matters (though never has served, nor even been in a war zone as a reporter; his column title of &quot;War stories&quot; is a big joke).  Just don&#039;t count much on his predictions; as I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://datatroll.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/the-difference-between-articulation-and-wisdom/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;documented before&lt;/a&gt;, his record for that is far from stellar.

And there is no question he hates Bush with a passion and I imagine he doesn&#039;t think much of McCain either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaplan&#8217;s a smart guy, extremely well-read and researched in military matters (though never has served, nor even been in a war zone as a reporter; his column title of &#8220;War stories&#8221; is a big joke).  Just don&#8217;t count much on his predictions; as I&#8217;ve <a href="http://datatroll.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/the-difference-between-articulation-and-wisdom/" rel="nofollow">documented before</a>, his record for that is far from stellar.</p>
<p>And there is no question he hates Bush with a passion and I imagine he doesn&#8217;t think much of McCain either.</p>
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		<title>By: J_Gocht</title>
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		<dc:creator>J_Gocht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hog Wild...
Thats why he&#039;s laid his stars on the desk...!

Can&#039;t swallow the CIC&#039;s regursatation of mucus...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hog Wild&#8230;<br />
Thats why he&#8217;s laid his stars on the desk&#8230;!</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t swallow the CIC&#8217;s regursatation of mucus&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Hog Wild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hog Wild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike most servicemembers, Admiral Fallon had the opportunity to have an audiance with the highest level government officials, and in that forum was free to speak his mind.  Esquire magazine was the wrong place and the wrong time.

Nothing but respect for the man and his service.  But the role of the military is to carry out the policy of the elected civilian government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike most servicemembers, Admiral Fallon had the opportunity to have an audiance with the highest level government officials, and in that forum was free to speak his mind.  Esquire magazine was the wrong place and the wrong time.</p>
<p>Nothing but respect for the man and his service.  But the role of the military is to carry out the policy of the elected civilian government.</p>
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		<title>By: jerrytbg</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrytbg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I see strife like this, in this day of near instant info, I wonder if it’s not another case of DIS info.  Probably not but don’t count it out.  It’s probably what it appears to be.

upinak,  u go grl.  thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I see strife like this, in this day of near instant info, I wonder if it’s not another case of DIS info.  Probably not but don’t count it out.  It’s probably what it appears to be.</p>
<p>upinak,  u go grl.  thanks</p>
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		<title>By: J_Gocht</title>
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		<dc:creator>J_Gocht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you tell us...

A Pentagon official said Gates is “very concerned about all of our energy” being devoted to Iraq, an “overcommitment that is consuming and distracting us from everything else. On the other hand, he knows there can’t be another Saigon. There’s this balance.

He was not the only skeptic. More than half a dozen retired
four-star generals turned down Hadley in his search for a “war czar” who could knock heads and make sure requests from the field survived the Washington bureaucracy.
- 9 Sep 2007

MB4 on March 12, 2008 at 4:59 PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you tell us&#8230;</p>
<p>A Pentagon official said Gates is “very concerned about all of our energy” being devoted to Iraq, an “overcommitment that is consuming and distracting us from everything else. On the other hand, he knows there can’t be another Saigon. There’s this balance.</p>
<p>He was not the only skeptic. More than half a dozen retired<br />
four-star generals turned down Hadley in his search for a “war czar” who could knock heads and make sure requests from the field survived the Washington bureaucracy.<br />
- 9 Sep 2007</p>
<p>MB4 on March 12, 2008 at 4:59 PM</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...Petraeus, who’s more reluctant to draw down in Iraq prematurely... &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because he is winning?  Maybe?

Kinda silly for Petraeus to want to quite while he is winning.  IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;Petraeus, who’s more reluctant to draw down in Iraq prematurely&#8230; </p></blockquote>
<p>Because he is winning?  Maybe?</p>
<p>Kinda silly for Petraeus to want to quite while he is winning.  IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He brought it all upon himself. by AP&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yeah, just like Spitzer - can&#039;t blame Bush or Cheney or Rush. He just &quot;F&quot;ed up himself, like a bird shitting in his own nest...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He brought it all upon himself. by AP</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, just like Spitzer &#8211; can&#8217;t blame Bush or Cheney or Rush. He just &#8220;F&#8221;ed up himself, like a bird shitting in his own nest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fallon was also derisive of Iraqi leaders&#039; intentions and competence, and dubious about the surge. &quot;He&#039;s been saying from Day One, &#039;This isn&#039;t working,&#039; said a senior administration official. And Fallon signaled his departure from Bush by ordering subordinates to avoid the term &quot;long war&quot; -- a phrase the president used to describe the fight against terrorism.

To Bush aides, Gates did not seem fully on board with the president&#039;s strategy, either. As a member of the congressionally chartered Iraq Study Group before his selection to head the Pentagon, Gates embraced proposals to scale back the U.S. presence in Iraq. Now that he was in the Cabinet, he kept his own counsel.

But he consulted regularly with former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, a noted critic of the Iraq war; told Army audiences privately that a troop decrease was inevitable; and tried to avoid Sunday talk shows during the fight over the war spending bill to preserve relations with lawmakers, according to administration sources. &quot;With Fallon, it&#039;s pretty much in your face,&quot; said a senior official. &quot;Gates is quieter.&quot;

A Pentagon official said Gates is &quot;very concerned about all of our energy&quot; being devoted to Iraq, an &quot;overcommitment that is consuming and distracting us from everything else. On the other hand, he knows there can&#039;t be another Saigon. There&#039;s this balance.

He was not the only skeptic. More than half a dozen retired
four-star generals turned down Hadley in his search for a &quot;war czar&quot; who could knock heads and make sure requests from the field survived the Washington bureaucracy.
- 9 Sep 2007&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Fallon was also derisive of Iraqi leaders&#8217; intentions and competence, and dubious about the surge. &#8220;He&#8217;s been saying from Day One, &#8216;This isn&#8217;t working,&#8217; said a senior administration official. And Fallon signaled his departure from Bush by ordering subordinates to avoid the term &#8220;long war&#8221; &#8212; a phrase the president used to describe the fight against terrorism.</p>
<p>To Bush aides, Gates did not seem fully on board with the president&#8217;s strategy, either. As a member of the congressionally chartered Iraq Study Group before his selection to head the Pentagon, Gates embraced proposals to scale back the U.S. presence in Iraq. Now that he was in the Cabinet, he kept his own counsel.</p>
<p>But he consulted regularly with former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, a noted critic of the Iraq war; told Army audiences privately that a troop decrease was inevitable; and tried to avoid Sunday talk shows during the fight over the war spending bill to preserve relations with lawmakers, according to administration sources. &#8220;With Fallon, it&#8217;s pretty much in your face,&#8221; said a senior official. &#8220;Gates is quieter.&#8221;</p>
<p>A Pentagon official said Gates is &#8220;very concerned about all of our energy&#8221; being devoted to Iraq, an &#8220;overcommitment that is consuming and distracting us from everything else. On the other hand, he knows there can&#8217;t be another Saigon. There&#8217;s this balance.</p>
<p>He was not the only skeptic. More than half a dozen retired<br />
four-star generals turned down Hadley in his search for a &#8220;war czar&#8221; who could knock heads and make sure requests from the field survived the Washington bureaucracy.<br />
- 9 Sep 2007</i></p>
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		<title>By: J_Gocht</title>
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		<dc:creator>J_Gocht</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On a blog Yingling maintains at the Web site of Small Wars Journal, an independent journal of military theory, he has acknowledged these dilemmas, but he hasn’t disentangled them. For example, if generals do speak up, and the president ignores their advice, what should they do then — salute and follow orders, resign en masse or criticize the president publicly?
- Fred Kaplan, August 26, 2007
MB4 on March 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;This leaves CENTCOM open for Patraeus who can hopefully help Afghanistan back on track.
BohicaTwentyTwo on March 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
…be Jesus, my fine feathered B22, the good “General Pet” has his hands full in Iraq…?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/03/middle-east-fal.html

“No d[e]fferences emplied; however differences indeed…!

Would you reccomend a promotion...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On a blog Yingling maintains at the Web site of Small Wars Journal, an independent journal of military theory, he has acknowledged these dilemmas, but he hasn’t disentangled them. For example, if generals do speak up, and the president ignores their advice, what should they do then — salute and follow orders, resign en masse or criticize the president publicly?<br />
- Fred Kaplan, August 26, 2007<br />
MB4 on March 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>This leaves CENTCOM open for Patraeus who can hopefully help Afghanistan back on track.<br />
BohicaTwentyTwo on March 12, 2008 at 3:06 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>…be Jesus, my fine feathered B22, the good “General Pet” has his hands full in Iraq…?</p>
<p><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/03/middle-east-fal.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/03/middle-east-fal.html</a></p>
<p>“No d[e]fferences emplied; however differences indeed…!</p>
<p>Would you reccomend a promotion&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: MCPO Airdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCPO Airdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB4 - Admiral Fallon, and anyone in the military, can question  policy in private. It&#039;s when you start spouting off your personal opinions, that contradict the political leadership, to the press, you&#039;ve stepped over the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB4 &#8211; Admiral Fallon, and anyone in the military, can question  policy in private. It&#8217;s when you start spouting off your personal opinions, that contradict the political leadership, to the press, you&#8217;ve stepped over the line.</p>
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		<title>By: BohicaTwentyTwo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;MB4 on March 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Resigning &lt;em&gt;en masse&lt;/em&gt; is great if you are not alone, otherwise you look like a lone nut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MB4 on March 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Resigning <em>en masse</em> is great if you are not alone, otherwise you look like a lone nut.</p>
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		<title>By: Frozen Tex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frozen Tex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;resign if you believe it’s the wrong course of action.

NoDonkey on March 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM

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&lt;strong&gt;HUAH!&lt;/strong&gt; And after you&#039;ve resigned, &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; make a &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; public stink of why you resigned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>resign if you believe it’s the wrong course of action.</p>
<p>NoDonkey on March 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM</p>
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<p><strong>HUAH!</strong> And after you&#8217;ve resigned, <em>then</em> make a <em>very</em> public stink of why you resigned.</p>
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		<title>By: Frozen Tex</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;upinak on March 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM

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Please, keep us informed, and even comment form overseas, if possible...

The problem with the (at the time, horrifically outdated) tanks was that they didn&#039;t have A/C at all. We&#039;re now leasing slightly more modern Leopard II&#039;s from Germany. They have A/C... maybe even a cup-holder :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>upinak on March 12, 2008 at 4:28 PM</p>
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<p>Please, keep us informed, and even comment form overseas, if possible&#8230;</p>
<p>The problem with the (at the time, horrifically outdated) tanks was that they didn&#8217;t have A/C at all. We&#8217;re now leasing slightly more modern Leopard II&#8217;s from Germany. They have A/C&#8230; maybe even a cup-holder :D</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the fact that Fox Fallon has taken on this very important command. 
- George W. Bush (May 2007)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the fact that Fox Fallon has taken on this very important command.<br />
- George W. Bush (May 2007)</p>
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		<title>By: NoDonkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resign of course.  

If you&#039;re heart is not into a course of action and you are in charge of that action, be it a war or be it introducing the Double-Cheezy Dorito chip at Nabisco, resign your position. 

You&#039;re at the top.  Yeah, the middle managers, etc., soldier on, but seems to me that if you&#039;re in charge of something huge, you resign if you believe it&#039;s the wrong course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resign of course.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re heart is not into a course of action and you are in charge of that action, be it a war or be it introducing the Double-Cheezy Dorito chip at Nabisco, resign your position. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re at the top.  Yeah, the middle managers, etc., soldier on, but seems to me that if you&#8217;re in charge of something huge, you resign if you believe it&#8217;s the wrong course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: upinak</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frozen Tex on March 12, 2008 at 4:20 PM

Actually the air conditioning likes to go out a lot... I don&#039;t think it matters what armoured vehicle you drive.

F.T. and dmann, thanks for supporting.  It is people like yourselves who make us proud!  I won&#039;t be leaving right away... few months down the line due to getting squared away.  All my guys are excited and I have already lost some friends.  But it was time.  This summer is going to fly by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frozen Tex on March 12, 2008 at 4:20 PM</p>
<p>Actually the air conditioning likes to go out a lot&#8230; I don&#8217;t think it matters what armoured vehicle you drive.</p>
<p>F.T. and dmann, thanks for supporting.  It is people like yourselves who make us proud!  I won&#8217;t be leaving right away&#8230; few months down the line due to getting squared away.  All my guys are excited and I have already lost some friends.  But it was time.  This summer is going to fly by.</p>
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		<title>By: MB4</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There is a specter haunting the debate over Yingling’s article &lt;b&gt;[Article by Lt. Col. Paul Yingling titled “A Failure in Generalship”.]&lt;/b&gt; — the specter of Gen. Douglas MacArthur. During World War II, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower threatened to resign if the civilian commanders didn’t order air support for the invasion of Normandy. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill acceded. But during the Korean War, MacArthur — at the time, perhaps the most popular public figure in America — demanded that President Truman let him attack China. Truman fired him. History has redeemed both presidents’ decisions. But in terms of the issues that Yingling, McMaster &lt;b&gt;[Colonel H. R. McMaster, author of “Dereliction of Duty”, which Gen. Hugh Shelton, when chairman of the Joint Chiefs, ordered all commanders to read.]&lt;/b&gt; and others have raised, was there really a distinction? Weren’t both generals speaking what they regarded as “truth to power”?

The very discussion of these issues discomforts many senior officers because they take very seriously the principle of civilian control. They believe it is not their place to challenge the president or his duly appointed secretary of defense, certainly not in public, especially not in wartime. The ethical codes are ambiguous on how firmly an officer can press an argument without crossing the line. 

On a blog Yingling maintains at the Web site of Small Wars Journal, an independent journal of military theory, he has acknowledged these dilemmas, but he hasn’t disentangled them. For example, if generals do speak up, and the president ignores their advice, what should they do then — salute and follow orders, resign en masse or criticize the president publicly? 
- Fred Kaplan, August 26, 2007
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is a specter haunting the debate over Yingling’s article <b>[Article by Lt. Col. Paul Yingling titled “A Failure in Generalship”.]</b> — the specter of Gen. Douglas MacArthur. During World War II, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower threatened to resign if the civilian commanders didn’t order air support for the invasion of Normandy. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill acceded. But during the Korean War, MacArthur — at the time, perhaps the most popular public figure in America — demanded that President Truman let him attack China. Truman fired him. History has redeemed both presidents’ decisions. But in terms of the issues that Yingling, McMaster <b>[Colonel H. R. McMaster, author of “Dereliction of Duty”, which Gen. Hugh Shelton, when chairman of the Joint Chiefs, ordered all commanders to read.]</b> and others have raised, was there really a distinction? Weren’t both generals speaking what they regarded as “truth to power”?</p>
<p>The very discussion of these issues discomforts many senior officers because they take very seriously the principle of civilian control. They believe it is not their place to challenge the president or his duly appointed secretary of defense, certainly not in public, especially not in wartime. The ethical codes are ambiguous on how firmly an officer can press an argument without crossing the line. </p>
<p>On a blog Yingling maintains at the Web site of Small Wars Journal, an independent journal of military theory, he has acknowledged these dilemmas, but he hasn’t disentangled them. For example, if generals do speak up, and the president ignores their advice, what should they do then — salute and follow orders, resign en masse or criticize the president publicly?<br />
- Fred Kaplan, August 26, 2007<br />
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		<title>By: Frozen Tex</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;upinak on March 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like dmann said, God bless, be smart and a great big Thank you!

At least you&#039;ll be (barely) warmer. Unless you arrive in the summer, in which case you have my apologies. I heard that the first Canadian armoured unit that served there had Leopard tanks &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; Air conditioning. Nasty!</description>
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<p>Like dmann said, God bless, be smart and a great big Thank you!</p>
<p>At least you&#8217;ll be (barely) warmer. Unless you arrive in the summer, in which case you have my apologies. I heard that the first Canadian armoured unit that served there had Leopard tanks <em>without</em> Air conditioning. Nasty!</p>
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		<title>By: NeoconNews.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Meanwhile, Kaplan ends with a question I asked yesterday myself: If this is all about bomb bomb bomb, bomb bombing Iran, why hasn’t Gates been pushed out too?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Whether it is about Iran or not, I don&#039;t think that Gates would be pushed out. Rumsfeld&#039;s exit was such a big event for the administration&#039;s opponents that if Bush pulled another switch it could cripple his ability to act despite lame duck status. He&#039;s been pretty powerful thus far, but combine a Gates shakeup and that NIE... that equals no action against Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, Kaplan ends with a question I asked yesterday myself: If this is all about bomb bomb bomb, bomb bombing Iran, why hasn’t Gates been pushed out too?</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether it is about Iran or not, I don&#8217;t think that Gates would be pushed out. Rumsfeld&#8217;s exit was such a big event for the administration&#8217;s opponents that if Bush pulled another switch it could cripple his ability to act despite lame duck status. He&#8217;s been pretty powerful thus far, but combine a Gates shakeup and that NIE&#8230; that equals no action against Iran.</p>
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