Too bad to check: Hillary willing to be Obama’s VP?

posted at 10:53 am on March 10, 2008 by Allahpundit

Triple hearsay but all named sources: Mona Charen heard it from John Batchelor, who heard it from Chuck Todd at NBC, who heard it from Hillary’s people. We’ve discussed why Obama would never, under any circumstances, want the Glacier looming over him from the number two spot. Why would Hillary want it any more than he does? Even if you assume the worst, that she’s after power any way she can get it, arguably she’ll retain more in the senate as a Moynihan-esque Democratic counterbalance capable of thwarting Obama’s legislative initiatives than in the vice presidential sinecure, where he’s bound to try to marginalize her. Is this just her way of leaking bogus info suggesting she’s a good soldier, willing to do what’s best for the party if need be, so that she can chide Obama later if he refuses to be equally “magnanimous”? It’s all part of her self-aggrandizing “you’d make a fine number two, Barack!” strategy. If that’s true, though, shouldn’t be taking a more public stance with some sort of formal statement that whoever emerges as the loser at the convention should agree to be the other’s veep, instead of with penny ante leaks like this?

Surprisingly, despite the hard feelings, both sides’ supporters seem fine with the “loser veeps” idea. Scroll down halfway through the new Gallup data; not even 20% of Obama’s supporters have a problem with Vice President Hillary?

And speaking of bad ideas for VP, a little more hearsay for you:

Romney has allies in the Bush wing of the Republican party. President Bush favors him as McCain’s veep. Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, preferred Romney over McCain in the primaries, but never endorsed him publicly. Karl Rove, the president’s political strategist, has hinted that he considers Romney to be McCain’s best running mate.

We’ve discussed this before too. Exit question: Bush and Rove trying to sabotage McCain? I’m out of alternative explanations.


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If Hillary is VP, she’s only a heartbeat away from the top slot. Not that I’m saying anything.

/tongue-in-cheek

rbj on March 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

wouldn’t Condi be the Bush/Rove pick for VP?

jp on March 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

If that happens, Obama better stay away from Federal park land.

…just sayin’

lodestonejames on March 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Well, personally, McCain is holding a little bit too intimate of a relationship with the Bushies. He’s got to distance himself from them.

So, regardless of what Bush et al’s intentions are; they wouldn’t matter much if McCain wasn’t actively courting them.

amkun on March 10, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Hey, if ya can’t beat him, join him. Then Vince Foster him, right Hil?

Tony737 on March 10, 2008 at 11:06 AM

I don’t see Obama wanting Hillary as his No. 2 – it would be the marriage from hell. He’s much more likely to go with Silky.

Romney won’t be McCain’s VP pick – we’ve already seen that he would drive away the evangelical vote. There are plenty of GOP fiscal strongmen with a better record, and less baggage. But there’s no need for Jonny Mac to pick anybody until we know who the Democratic nominee will be.

Pax americana on March 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Romney makes sense on a few levels. One, he is younger and I think few people would argue that he isn’t ready for the presidency if need be. Two, he is the strongest candidate out there when it comes to the economy. THAT, I’d suggest, and not Iraq will be the biggest issue this year. Third, he has the personal wealth to “pitch in” as it were. Fourth, he’s not quite as smooooth as Rev Huckabee, but he’s really solid on TV and behind the podium. Some would argue that he helps McCain carry no states, but, let’s be sensible. True red states are staying red. The states that McCain things he can turn red (California, Jersey, etc.), Romney actually helps.

Sugar Land on March 10, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Taking applications for official food taster. Must be willing to travel.

Romney as VP= the worst of both worlds. His weaknesses would overcome his strengths in that capacity. McCain wouldn’t be that masochistic, would he?

a capella on March 10, 2008 at 11:10 AM

Romney as VP is the ONLY thing that will get me excited about this election. Bleh…

PoliticallyIncorrectSandy on March 10, 2008 at 11:13 AM

Clinton as VP?

Obama has waaaaay to many options to avoid that.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

Saltysam on March 10, 2008 at 11:15 AM

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Saltysam on March 10, 2008 at 11:15 AM

wouldn’t Condi be the Bush/Rove pick for VP?

jp on March 10, 2008 at 11:00 AM

I’ve never heard them suggest her for the ticket. But nonetheless, can we put the Condi rumors to bed already? She’s said she’s not interested in elected office and after her policy of arming terrorists in “Palestine”, who wants her anyway?

CP on March 10, 2008 at 11:15 AM

There’s no way Obama would name Hillary his VP. He hates her.

SoulGlo on March 10, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Hillary as VP?

Well, Democrats touting Obama as the next JFK, better be careful of what they wish for.

NoDonkey on March 10, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Hey Hillary, I think this guys available for a running mate.

http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2008/03/pulitizer-takes-leak.html

I love Marty Davis she is so much fun.

Dr Evil on March 10, 2008 at 11:17 AM

It would be unwise for Obama to go with either Mrs. Clinton or Silky P.

Needs someone a little less divisive, if indeed there’s anyone in the party who qualifies.

Speaking of which, did he hide his wife in a lockbox or something? Haven’t heard a peep from her since the downright mean story broke.

Naturally, the MSM ignored that story.

JammieWearingFool on March 10, 2008 at 11:18 AM

It makes little or no sense for Obama to bring in Clinton to fill the VP slot.

How can he be a voice for change (his words, not mine) if he brings in the status quo. Moreover, He locks in a fairly high negative among folks that want her no where near the white house.

I think he hurts himself. He would be wise to go with a more experienced, well liked and perceived mainstream person for the VP slot.

moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Bush and Rove really need to zip it.

bojack on March 10, 2008 at 11:22 AM

There is no way Mrs. Obama will say no to 2nd place. There is no way Mrs. Clinton will say no to 2nd place.

JiangxiDad on March 10, 2008 at 11:23 AM

He would be wise to go with a more experienced, well liked and perceived mainstream person for the VP slot.

moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Er, doesn’t he need to pick a democrat?

ScottG on March 10, 2008 at 11:25 AM

“Give me the money and I’ll give you change.”

-Obama’s new campaign slogan

moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM

What if McCain chooses Hillary as his VP?!? haha

p40tiger on March 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Note to RNC: Keep Bush away from any and all candidates for any and all offices. All I can see when I picture Bush is illegal immigrants flooding across the border and today’s $107 Oil price.

Wade on March 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM

I have two thoughts:

My outlier of the day: Mrs. Clinton has got to be concerned that if she loses the nomination, it could be seen not just as “Obama got it, Hillary didn’t”, but as a fatal repudiation of the kind of politics she represents. In other words, a morality play, with her as the villain. If so, then the VP slot gives her a sort of vindication (in the sense of “see, I’m not evil”) and keeps her influence alive. Just a thought.

Re: Romney. Mitt Romney is a good man who can be a major influence in our politics. But I think what he needs to do now to set himself up for the future and prove that he is not a politician of convenience is dedicate himself to the conservative/true liberty cause in some way that does not automatically benefit himself. They also serve who only stand and wait…

I have said elsewhere, and will continue to say, that what we need to be doing with the VP pick is not setting up an heir apparent, but stocking the stable so that we have figures of national prominence who will be able to help the cause in the future. You know, our farm team. Right now we have Huckabee and Romney, and Jindal is on the horizon, and maybe Jeb Bush–but more are needed so that we have a robust effort, not just for any future nomination race, but also so that we a roster of talent–*statesmen* with political viability–able to speak and advance the cause of true liberty on the national scene.

If John McCain wanted to show his faith in conservatives, he should let them pick his VP. Make them prove they are not ranting ideologues, but are able to do justice to him as well as balance political considerations in a rational manner. Personally–Fred! Yeah, not the greatest *campaign* in the world–but he did have the meatiest campaign. He’s tanned, ready, and rested.

Horatius on March 10, 2008 at 11:30 AM

Er, doesn’t he need to pick a democrat?

ScottG on March 10, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Touché!

Obama’s weatherman expects a warming trend…..

moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Will someone please explain to Hillary that “Vice President” does NOT mean that she gets to use her “Bimbo Eruption” experience to run all the Washington DC – based Vice rackets.

That ought to kill all the “loser veep” talk!

landlines on March 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM

The incompetence of Obama with the unelectability of Hillary. I’m all for it.

AbaddonsReign on March 10, 2008 at 11:47 AM

I don’t get the love-affair with Schmuckabee; he’s a slimey ex-Bible-thumping, open-border hick who looks like Nixon had a an affair with Kevin Spacey’s mom. The way he conspired to oust Romney stinks to high heaven. How can anyone support Huckleberry Hound? I don’t get it.
Despite the Bushie input, Romney is the best pick–unless Colin Powell or Michael Steele are interested.
As many have said: McCain needs to distance himself from Dubya and his gang of liberal ‘Repiubs’.

Christine on March 10, 2008 at 11:49 AM

The Suprisingly Strong Case For Mitt Romney as Vice President
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Although I supported Romney, even I was surprised by how the strength of his case for Vice President. I started to write a response to the Vice President thread, but there are so many reasons that I needed to start a new diary. Put aside your primary prejudices for a moment.

1. Money, money, money. Despite some of the slurs thrown around here, Mitt RAISED more money than any other candidate and much of that was done before he was a household name like Guiliani, McCain and Thompson. People like to deride him as some rich guy, built his money was self-made and he is a hell of a fundraiser. McCain has a serious money gap that needs to be addressed.

2. Message discipline. Romney is super disciplined. He will not go off the reservation. He’s good at being methodical, staying on message and not being a maverick, which is important for a Veep candidate. He will not deviate from the message nor will he usurp McCain’s limelight. McCain and his campaign cannot be undermined or trumped by the acts of an unpredictable or ‘off the cuff’ Veep.

3. Party unity. It may not help with all conservatives, but it well help with many. In fact, many conservative personalities have already said that their enthusiasm for McCain would rise if Romney was picked. Romney can help assuage some of the immigration and global warming skeptics as well.

4. Party organization. Romney is a master executive and organizer. He also holds great sway with rank and file committeemen and women as demonstrated by his success in the caucuses. While the Democrats eat each other up, the Republicans with Romney could use this time to gain a superior tactical advantage in organization, unity and discipline.

5. Michigan. Michigan is a fairly large state. I have much faith that Romney can deliver Michigan. Someone like Pawlenty may deliver Minnesota, but Minnesota is smaller and Pawlenty does little else for McCain except reinforce the notions McCain is weak on AGW and immigration. Bush almost won Michigan in 2004. Under Democratic rule, Michigan continues to decline. It is ripe to be picked off.

6. Healthcare. The primary is over. You don’t have to spread or believe anymore lies about Romney’s “socialized” healthcare plan. The fact is that Romney and his team, guys like Charlie Baker, are healthcare gurus. Romney always said that he would take a federalist approach at the national level and that Massachusetts plan was the right fit for Massachusetts, which it was. This will be a hot issue and Romney will whip any Democrat or any member of the news media in a debate. Plus, he can bring some genuinely good ideas to the table. McCain could designate Romney his healthcare guru.

7. The Party of Lincoln. No doubt this is being framed as a historic election. We will have some combination of an African-American and a woman on the Democratic ticket. Ironically, it is probably the Mormans who are most persecuted minority in modern society. Although he is a “white guy”, Romney still represents a persecuted people and would be a historical nomination representative of “The Party of Lincoln”. “The Party of Lincoln” needs to reclaim our rightful place in history as the party of inclusion and tolerance.

8. No skeletons. The campaign does not need to spend three months vetting a Veep nominee. No hookers, no dirty movie rentals, no DUIs, no old buddies talking about coke, no infidelity, no estranged kids, no addictions, etc.. The Democrats will fight a scorched earth campaign and many of the other prospective candidates have not been thoroughly vetted and are unlikely to match Romney’s squeaky clean image.

9. Energized Mormons. No doubt Mormons are a little deflated after have their candidate, and worse, their faith bashed by many in the Party they have so loyally supported. They have a lot of money and a strong organization and can be players in the key Purple states like Colorado and Nevada.

10. Private sector experience. McCain has none. The economic concerns are rising. Paring a Washington insider with say another career poltician, lawyer or beaurocrat will do little to help appease the concerns of folks who worry about the economy. The housing crisis and job creation demand a private sector perspective, which Romney can provide.

11. Ann. She would work well with certain demographics. She is surprisingly savvy campaigner. Her long marriage, work as a mother of five and her intriguing battle with multiple sclerosis make her an interesting human story.

12. Overall competence and appearance. Intelligence and competence have never really been and issue for Romney. He is a fast learner. Although he has no foreign policy experience, there is little question that he could absorb the issues of the day quickly and be prepared on day one if necessary. He certainly will look the part. He is acceptable in that doomsday red phone scenario.

al on March 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Does Obama really want Hillary to move in next door? She’ll be coming with the husband who constantly shows up in the middle of the night with a 6 pack to talk shop?

moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2008 at 11:52 AM

wouldn’t Condi be the Bush/Rove pick for VP?

Wouldn’t that be a transparent ‘ebony & ivory’ ploy?

LimeyGeek on March 10, 2008 at 11:54 AM

McCain/Lieberman is the ticket the Dems fear most.

Lunkinator on March 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Shillary as a mere VP? Methinks whoever came up thinking such a thing was even remotely possible has been smoking funny stuff a little too often.

pilamaye on March 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Obama can’t pick Hillary for the vp slot because she represents the old politics compared to his hope and change. The opposite is true too. He can’t be her vp because of his hope and change and she of the old politics.

Hillary can pick Obama to be her vp in an effort to unite the party. Hillary can be his vp in an effort to unite the party and hang on to power.

cjs1943 on March 10, 2008 at 12:04 PM

why would Obama even consider Hillary. He is winning without her. On the other hand, Hillary can win without him.

ctmom on March 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Exit question: Bush and Rove trying to sabotage McCain? I’m out of alternative explanations.

Nah. Romney was the Bush family’s clear favorite from the get-go, so they are still just pulling for their guy. It would be a poison pill that McCain would swallow just to set up Romney for 2012 because Romney on the ticket doesn’t get any votes but Ann Coulter’s for the general election, and would really alienate southerners who see Romney as the uber-Yankee.

Mark Sanford! Or DeMint if there is somebody as good that the GOP gov of SC would appoint to take his place. Coburn is a no because OK has a democrat gov.

funky chicken on March 10, 2008 at 12:13 PM

And I don’t see McCain being willing to swallow the poison pill of a Romney VP choice just to set up GW and Rove’s favorite guy for 2012.

Sorry guys, but McCain is clearly not suicidal personally or politically.

funky chicken on March 10, 2008 at 12:17 PM

It would be fun to see Hillary and Michelle posture for queen bee, but it ain’t gonna happen. If it does happen, Obama deserves everything he’ll get.

SouthernGent on March 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM

5. Michigan. Michigan is a fairly large state. I have much faith that Romney can deliver Michigan. Someone like Pawlenty may deliver Minnesota, but Minnesota is smaller and Pawlenty does little else for McCain except reinforce the notions McCain is weak on AGW and immigration. Bush almost won Michigan in 2004. Under Democratic rule, Michigan continues to decline. It is ripe to be picked off.

I’d say Pawlenty has about as much chance of delivering Minnesota to the Republican canidate as I do of delivering Scarlett Johannsen’s bubble bath.

Actually, I’ll put better odds on myself.

You have to remember, we’re the ONLY state Walter Mondale carried in 1980. I don’t know the last time any Republican carried Minnesota in a national election.

darury on March 10, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Hillary as VP?

Well, that’s how LBJ got to be president.

I’m just sayin’

29Victor on March 10, 2008 at 12:35 PM

Well I can deal with Romney in the VP slot. I was supporting him until he dropped out, I think he would have made a fine President and was well-suited for that job. And then it will set him up for another run in 2012, so it sounds good to me. And if barry picks Hil for veep, it would be really strange to see them making nice after this nasty campaigning. But I think Hillary would take VP, I just don’t think Barry would choose her.

mattyj86 on March 10, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Romney should not be VP now. He should wait till 2012 or 2016 and go for POTUS.

Tzetzes on March 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Exit question: Bush and Rove trying to sabotage McCain? I’m out of alternative explanations.

Yes and yes, Rudy would be McCain’s best running mate, he is a team player always plays to win and doesn’t have ulterior motives.

Chakra Hammer on March 10, 2008 at 12:56 PM

FRED!

I also would like to mention that it’s pretty pathetic to see both Hillary and Bill groveling for the VP spot already.

Have some freakin’ dignity.

lodestonejames on March 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Surprisingly, despite the hard feelings, both sides’ supporters seem fine with the “loser veeps” idea. Scroll down halfway through the new Gallup data; not even 20% of Obama’s supporters have a problem with Vice President Hillary?

That’s why I’m deathly-afraid of the unity ticket. The ‘Rat faithful know how much of a boon it would be.

Exit question: Bush and Rove trying to sabotage McCain? I’m out of alternative explanations.

More like sabotaging Romney. I don’t know the last time the Pubbies took a failed VP candidate and made him their standard-bearer.

Exit redirect (not for Hugh Hewitt) – Who does a flameout of a McCain-Romney ticket benefit?

steveegg on March 10, 2008 at 1:59 PM

How about Elliot Spitzer ok, maybe not. Elliot should have learned from Bill and just not paid for it.

moxie_neanderthal on March 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Mitt for VP! The only way I’ll vote for McAmnesty.

davenp35 on March 10, 2008 at 5:08 PM

if you assume the worst, that she’s after power any way she can get it

Haha, I think we’re beyond the point of assuming that by now.

OneGyT on March 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM

I have no idea who instapundit (or whatever) is but I would bet he is a friend of the huckster. I’m sick of his/her smarmy remarks about Mitt all the time. I hope Mitt stays out this time because mcamnesty will probably not win. So he can become head of the GOP for the next 4 years, and maybe by that time the evangelicals will get a grip.

Bambi on March 10, 2008 at 6:19 PM

What if McCain chooses Hillary as his VP?!? haha

p40tiger on March 10, 2008 at 11:28 AM

What!!! Are you a sadist, or something? :)

OldEnglish on March 10, 2008 at 8:14 PM

If Hillary somehow screws Obama out of the nomination, look for “Maverick” to consider offering Obama the GOP VP slot. (maybe not actually doing it, but public speculation that he’s considering it).

sulla on March 10, 2008 at 10:19 PM