Quotes of the day
posted at 10:30 pm on March 10, 2008 by Allahpundit
“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable experiments or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos.”
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“I learned that God reveals himself through Scripture and in general through his creation, and when we destroy God’s creation, it’s similar to ripping pages from the Bible.”
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I am glad to see any Christian Church taking a stand on environmental stewardship, it has been my experience that the only way to really move a Catholic is to make it a sin (unless its the Pill).
Squid Shark on March 10, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Don’t tell the Pope that the sun’s activity is in a slow period and chilling temps are on the way. If he heard that, he’d have to rewrite the “sins” and the world might think the Catholic Church is really just a political/business oriented enterprise.
Whoops. Was that my outside voice?
Aplogies to any devout Catholics who faithfully observe the lessons of the Bible and steadfastly ignore the political postering of their Church!
Montana on March 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM
I’ve never gazed upon happier penquins than the ones posted on this segment. I guess they like the warmer weather.
Travis1 on March 10, 2008 at 10:41 PM
NOT!!!
windansea on March 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Oy vey. What a waste of time.
AbaddonsReign on March 10, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Hmmm…God himself flooded the Earth, nuked Sodom, & will totally burn up the whole world in the future.
Are these also like ripping pages from the Bible?
jgapinoy on March 10, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Well Mr. Merritt….I hope those are recycled pages you’re using for scripture. We wouldn’t want to sin against nature by unnecessarily raping the rainforests.
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Since he does not mention Global Warming, I am assuming that you are just “pro pollution”.
And I suppose you think that the dominion over the earth given to us by G-d does not come with any responsibility for stewardship…
Squid Shark on March 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM
When the Catholic church starts cracking down on playing “hide the salami” with the alter boys then maybe I’ll see their leaders as something other than a bunch of wanna-be pimps who dress like they just came from a gay pride parade. I’m all for a clean environment but seriously, who asked them?
ErikTheRed on March 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Self-loathing socialists have already co-opted the green movement from environmentalists like Greenpeace. These monkeys are now infiltrating religion. This is an outright attempt to hijack our power structure by co-opting the “opiate of the masses.” Lenin and Marx would be proud.
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Ya know, I am Catholic, but yo, guy in the big hat, are you now telling me that NOT driving a stinking Prius will make Baby Jesus cry?
bbz123 on March 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
ErikTheRed on March 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
You’re all about a clean environment? What kind of conservative are you? Next you’re going to tell me you’re into common sense too. Where does it end with you right-wing nut jobs?
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
As Dirty Harry might say:
Okay Punk,Do you want an angry God! or
a vengefull God!
canopfor on March 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
I guess Illegal Immigration didn’t make the cut?
Who knew?
“Forgive me Father, cleanse me of my
iniquitiespollution of the environment, and wash away mysinsexploitation of the poor by thesuper-richLiberal Democrats.”I am really going to have to write this down…..
Seven Percent Solution on March 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
bbz123 on March 10, 2008 at 10:51 PM
The Pope has formally changed his name to Pope Prius I.
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Amen….
Hog Wild on March 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
How dare they speak out against pollution…
scandalous!
Squid Shark on March 10, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Yes but does this apply to glob….errr man-made global cooling?
jukin on March 10, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I realize that picking and choosing quotes helps to sensationalize, AP, and therefore increase your traffic. But please realize that stewarship in the context of environmental conservation is prudent. This is the thrust of the argument.
While no Christian would not, nor should not, bow to Gaia, conservation of the Natural is God’s mandate going back to Genesis.
What you will not, nor ever hear is the Pope advocating the purchase of carbon credits.
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Shhhh you know its not conservative to preserve the environment…Global Warming is the only environmental issue, didnt anyone tell you?
Squid Shark on March 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Squid Shark on March 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I don’t have any problems with personal responsibility and stewardship. A man’s relationship with God is a personal one. It’s not one that includes governmental oversight or governmental management through taxation.
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I didn’t see ‘touching young boys’ on the list. Wouldn’t that have been more topical for a deadly sin?
drdroo on March 10, 2008 at 11:01 PM
…’cause adding more sins makes people better Christians.
29Victor on March 10, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I never got the memo that the environment was a liberal issue. Guess it got lost with the memo about the conservative mandate to exclude anyone but WASPs.
My bad.
/sarc
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Typical ad hominem when your logic is impotent.
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I would like to see book, chapter, and verse on that please. I can’t think of any scripture you are talking about, off the top of my head.
boomer on March 10, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I’m actually rather serious. It was a pretty large black mark on their landscape. It is said that ‘change comes from within’.
I also find it strange that they think man has the power to control the climate in ‘God’s creation’ too. Isn’t that some what blasphemous?
drdroo on March 10, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I think these things can be more hurtful to ourselves than to the sensibilities of Providence. Common sense is always authorized. We should not “create” a world we wouldn’t want to live in, that prevents us from fulfilling our human potential, that debases us.
On the other hand, there is a saying about trying to pour new wine into old wineskins, and another about the doctrines of the past not being up to the needs of the present.
We are going to have to accept the fact that our ability to change the physical world has, for the moment, outstripped the stored wisdom of the ages. It may be time for new wineskins, in at least certain respects.
Horatius on March 10, 2008 at 11:20 PM
I stopped going to church after Nookie Green moved to Idaho.
petefrt on March 10, 2008 at 11:24 PM
drdroo on March 10, 2008 at 11:19 PM
This agenda isn’t based on God. They’re bending the concept of God to advance their beliefs and short sighted theories. Al Gore’s god is power… his vehicle is global warming. He did the whole Moses-like thing….grew a beard, went into the wilderness for a while, and came out with Peace Prized-idea on what’s wrong with America.
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Yea, I’m tired of all the hypocritical homos joining the RCC priesthood too.
Darth Executor on March 10, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Horatius on March 10, 2008 at 11:20 PM
God didn’t forsee that eventuality (when our ability outstrips wisdom)?
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Correction:
I stopped going to church after Nookie Green moved to Idaho.
petefrt on March 10, 2008 at 11:33 PM
From the very beginning, God gave man stewardship over His creation. So you are indeed correct on that point.
Yet the one who denies God’s ultimate authority over His own creation is a fool. Especially those who seek to make a profit, or more revoltingly score political influence, by
twisting non-existent circumstances into self-benefit.
Science, like mathematics, can only describe what actually exists. Sure, we can use it predictively, but we do so by faith. Ironic, no?
Did you know that one volcano eruption releases more CO2 than all the automobiles that have ever existed?
Did you also know that Al Gore, et al, have become fabulously rich and famous by pimping the man-made global warming issue?
I apologize, I didn’t intend to be rude to you earlier.
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Cold Steel on March 10, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Oh, I am really trying to avoid presuming what God did or did not forsee. Trust me.
Having said that, my gut tells me that we are, like all children growing into maturity, supposed to figure out some things for ourselves. I think how we handle our new technical abilities is one of those things.
Horatius on March 10, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Maybe thinking that God was unable to give us commandments sufficient enough to ‘guide us thru life’ ought to be on that list.
.
Can you imagine? What are they thinking in the Vatican?
Hey God….it’s been a couple thousand years ( it didn’t work 150 years ago w/ the whole 7 DEADLY sins thingy, but …)
…so we decided to add a couple of sins to the list to make Your children comply by making them feel worse.
.
From what God has given us and what Christ gave us as A WAY OF LIFE, there is NO DOUBT as to what we should and should not be doing.
Adding some ridiculous list to the Holy Bible is an absolute insult, and possibly a grave sin in itself.
shooter on March 10, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Genesis 8:22
“As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”
Ordinary1 on March 10, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Hear, hear.
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Once again, we have a self-interested translation of the Bible. Conservation of the natural, as implied in Genesis, is as opposed to the unnatural. Conservation, as proselytized by the greenies, was not even thought of when the Bible was written.
OldEnglish on March 10, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Genesis 2:15, 19-20
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Yeah…forget what I said earlier. What a bunch of nitwits these guys are.
Jaibones on March 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Not a problem.
I’m actually aware of the volcanic eruption issue, it doesn’t seem to get discussed much. Cow farts is another one that only seem to get some discussion.
The term ‘global warming’ turned to ‘climate change’ and the current buzz phrase is ‘global cooling’ (which was a popular phrase in the 70s). I’m still waiting for those big hurricanes that wipe out civilization. They put a target on New England a year or two ago. I must’ve slept through it.
Don’t get me wrong, we’ve had hurricane remains blast through here, but they were trying to suggest something closer to Katrina-like magnitude.
I’d kind of like ‘weather’ to get back to just being ‘weather’.
drdroo on March 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM
oh good GRAVY. One of the links is from the NY TIMES! Considering the source, I would not trust it without corroboration.
If I recall, Drudge recently had a headline where the Pope was telling the climate fearmongers to STFD and STFU and let the scientists work all that out.
I am not buying the spin, where Catholic teachings are filtered through…
…..
…..
the MSM!
CrimsonFisted on March 10, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Michael Smith sang “God is God and I am not.” Love that line. He’s the Pope. Not God. He’s a dude. Catholic haters can… and probably should, have a heyday on my unfortunate Pope’s ramblings. He is a man. Actually, a pretty good man, but still one who can make mistakes. This is a pretty silly one and a topic he shouldn’t be pontificating on, in my humble opinion.
Sugar Land on March 10, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Heh,
HA needs a Vatican source.
F15Mech on March 10, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Cow farts: cataclysmic events which will doom Earth!
I will have to reduce myself to one sheet of toilet paper to compensate.
I’m being satirical, of course.
James OK on March 10, 2008 at 11:51 PM
On the Next 60 Minutes – How do we stop Cows from farting and ruining the environment? The secrets of American Cork….Stay Tuned.
drdroo on March 10, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I guess I can’t burn tires in the front yard for weekend fun anymore. Can I at least drive a Flex Fuel SUV? I’ll have to ask next Sunday at church.
Rick on March 10, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Here’s a classic that could SAVE THE WORLD!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/06/2111509.htm
Basically some “brilliant” scientists want to use the bacteria in kangaroos digestive tracts and implant them in other animals. Why? You ask. Because Kangaroos “emit” lower greenhouse gases.
I’m all for being a good steward, but really???
One more thing. Worse Winter in many parts of the northern hemisphere in quite some time. One Winter does not Global Cooling make, but it’s a start :-)
Ordinary1 on March 10, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Actually, thinking about this some more–there is some guidance for us already, we just have to finesse it.
Let the Seven Deadly Sins and the Seven Virtues be your guide. Moderation in all things, as the Ancient Greeks believed. When it comes to all of the issues above–environmentalism, tampering with biology, or doing things of questionable utility–we have a lot of what we need.
One can be taught, but eventually one has to put that teaching to use.
Horatius on March 10, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Man, you guys are attacking the Catholic Church just like liberals attack.
The Pope is not saying anything about global warming. As a matter of fact, earlier in the year he said something to the effect that there was no science behind the Gore theories. What he is saying is that we should be effective stewards of our environment. I don’t think, when taken in that context, that there’s really any need to start bashing him. To those of you who take exception to what he said, do you disagree with the notion that we should take care of the earth? Or, is this just the ripe opportunity to act like a bunch of assholes and bash someone’s religion?
How wonderful it would be for you if you got just one Catholic to turn away from their beliefs. Yet, how pathetic you must be to be motivated in that way.
sheesh
sheesh on March 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Is this the start of Manbearpig? :)
drdroo on March 11, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Fine. I’ll burn in Hell. So what.
Global Warming is like Religion. Neither can be proven, but much are alike.
If there is such a thing as a God, an all merciful God, a God who loves us, a God who made us in his image, a God who gave us the bounty of the Earth to be used as we see fit, then why is it a sin to use the gifts given to us?
There are 10 commandments. I do not recognize any addendum to the list.
Kini on March 11, 2008 at 12:04 AM
ManBearRoo? :-)
Ordinary1 on March 11, 2008 at 12:05 AM
When did this guy become Pope anyway?
Rick on March 11, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Squid Shark, being a good steward of God’s creation certainly is an admirable thing, but there is no fooling what kind of “environmental responsibility” they have in mind. The type of man made global warming liberals lie about day after day. They have bought the hoax and want to push it on you.
Grafted on March 11, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Don’t misinterpret. Just like it makes no sense to crap on your living room carpet, it also makes no sense to ruin the environment you’ve been entrusted to steward.
There are way too many people, especially ‘Christian leaders’ willing to attribute things to God which He never said. Read the quote from the Pope again.
Common sense dictates, afterall, God invented it.
James OK on March 11, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Man, it’s hard to be a Catholic on this board but tonight is UNREAL! Did you all get hopped up on Jack Chick comics or what?
Seriously, hide the salami? Gay parade? Homos? See a theme here? It’s like every gay bashing D&D playing Bob Jones student graduated and decided to build their civilization here.
Dude. DUDE!!! Really, it’s out of control. You don’t even know what that bishop said…you’re getting your info from the news sources you normally mock, just because it fits the view of the Catholic Church that your Tim LaHaye fed you.
tlynch001 on March 11, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Precisely.
James OK on March 11, 2008 at 12:11 AM
:D I’m Super Serial!
ah man.. what a great South Park episode. It even has a Wikipedia entry.
drdroo on March 11, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Allah, out of context quotes do no one any favors.
Below is from a post of yours in December:
sheesh on March 11, 2008 at 12:16 AM
While I’m all for conservation, this environmentalism which puts a rat at the same level as humans is a lot of hot air.
Earth was made for Man; not Man for the Earth.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.2nd Timothy 4:3-4
Baptists in name only.
maynila on March 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM
I didn’t misinterpret what I read. It seems pretty clear and without any sense. Common or otherwise.
The new seven deadly sins are those of drug abuse, genetic manipulation, morally dubious experimentation, environmental pollution, social inequalities and social injustice, causing poverty and accumulating excessive wealth at the expense of the common good of society.
That’s socialism. Pure and simple. You might as well bring back the inquisition then we’d be on par with the Islamic extremist.
Kini on March 11, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Jesus on Global Warming. Matthew 5:40
“If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
James on Global Cooling. James 2:15-16
“15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?”
I’m kidding of course. I guess my point is that we as the church should be concerned about people’s souls. The saying that “people won’t care what you know until they know that you care” applies. IMHO the Body of Christ should be meeting peoples needs in a more direct way than addressing a green political movement. By serving people, perhaps they’ll want to hear about the loving God we serve. I think the Baptists’ hearts might be in the right place, but I don’t think the science backs them up here.
Ordinary1 on March 11, 2008 at 12:20 AM
You can fool some of the papal some of the time…
Phydeaux on March 11, 2008 at 12:23 AM
This sort of thing makes me glad I’m a member of a disorganized religion.
frankj on March 11, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Kini,
This is not socialism. Pertinent to you the quote you cite is, (1)- the fact that this is not a direct quote; and, (2) the premise is selective and out of context.
Put simply, if you choose to selectively quote passages from the Bible, or even a newspaper article, you will miss the point. In toto is what is required.
I am not meaning to sound flip, but you have an acute misunderstanding of both sin and mandate, and to justify your argument by parsing selective quotes from an article is a poor effort.
James OK on March 11, 2008 at 12:33 AM
From the idiot who has done it all.
pat on March 11, 2008 at 12:34 AM
/roll eyes
darii on March 11, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Get ready for me to present my AMA card.
I am a lapsed Catholic, that has a brother, currently in Rome that has been studying to become a Catholic priest for over 10 years.
What I find insulting are the mindless posts/jokes about Catholic priest’s/alter boys since they are lumping my brother into the same group. Or people saying that it would be wonderful to “find a certain Catholic” when they have no idea what they are talking about.
End my AMA rant.
P.S.
My brother and I do not necessarily see eye to eye (I am more liberal then he is), but we have enough respect for each other that we can at least talk about it.
Hell I called the Catholic Church stupid and asked him WTF is the Catholic Church thinking? After the immagration issue.
F15Mech on March 11, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Heck, tell everyone what, send your questions to me and I will make sure my brother gets them. Maybe you and I will learn something in the process.
F15Mech on March 11, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Probably the soundest advice on this thread.
And with that, adieu.
James OK on March 11, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Apparently the Vatican doesn’t include using global warming to scam billions world wide that could be feeding the poor instead as a mortal sin.
Speakup on March 11, 2008 at 1:06 AM
Got references?
F15Mech on March 11, 2008 at 1:14 AM
9,000 plus years of civilization and humanity is still willing to make sacrifices to the gods for good weather…
But, on the bright side, divination has gone from the reading of goat entrails to computer modeling, so it’s progress of a sort elgeneralisimo supposes… if your a goat…
elgeneralisimo on March 11, 2008 at 1:17 AM
your = you’re
elgeneralisimo on March 11, 2008 at 1:19 AM
This sort of populism from the church probably contributes to why people should stop being so confused to find conservative atheist/agnostic/what-have-yous in their midst
After all, this thread has gone on far too long without another one of ‘those’ debates..
Reaps on March 11, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Rush Limbaugh.
Speakup on March 11, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Your right their is no such group called Catholic Charities. And a certain Catholic Nun named Mother Theresa did nothing to help.
F15Mech on March 11, 2008 at 1:33 AM
I, for one, do not know a single person that wants polution or dirty water and most of my friends are conservative. I think that conserve is part of the word conservative.
Johan Klaus on March 11, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Just throw more money into the collection plate. That’ll help the Catholic Church combat global warming. That is what they’ll use the money for, I’m SO sure of it.
SouthernGent on March 11, 2008 at 1:37 AM
Charity belongs with the church and other charities and not the government.
Johan Klaus on March 11, 2008 at 1:41 AM
I have not listened to Rush for over three years, so I have no clue what you are saying.
Details please.
F15Mech on March 11, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Start listening.
Speakup on March 11, 2008 at 2:16 AM
If left to these loose interpretation. Here’s my problem with this:
By lumping the environment into this equation is liken to saying if you are F’ing the world as your neighbors wife. Might as well include the debauchery of corn for fuel. What a ménage à trois!
Second:
Yeah, I don’t make or have as much as my neighbor, so my neighbor is a sinner. What’s to say my other neighbor looks at me the same way I look at my other neighbor. That’s called Envy, a deadly mortal sin if I remember my 10 commandments correctly.
It may be selective and out of context, but people listen to the words and will take them literally. Just look at some of the crap from the Church of Global Warming. If you a denier, you are to be ridiculed and admonished. You are a sinner and ostracized as such.
The church as 2000+ years of dogma to use and preach. The church has it’s own problems from pedophiles, declining membership and fewer priests to preach the good word. By engaging in this topic they are proving that they have no knowledge or insight as to what is fact or fiction. By making it public they are loosing what credibility the church has left.
Kini on March 11, 2008 at 2:16 AM
There’s a real disconnect here, My point is why would the Pope not include the Goracle world wide scam as a mortal scam?
That the money could be better used is an aside.
Speakup on March 11, 2008 at 2:20 AM
mortal scam?= Mortal sin?
Speakup on March 11, 2008 at 2:21 AM
Well, I’m going to hell.
Mattpat11 on March 11, 2008 at 2:26 AM
Ripping pages out or putting pages in?
Dollayo on March 11, 2008 at 2:32 AM
Thanks for the clarification, and I apologize for any disconnect I may have caused.
That said I already planned to ask my brother about that and the stupid polices violated in the process.
F15Mech on March 11, 2008 at 2:43 AM
No biggie. Maybe I wasn’t specific enough.
Speakup on March 11, 2008 at 2:57 AM
Divine Comedy
Sheesh..
Chakra Hammer on March 11, 2008 at 3:57 AM
Heh,,,, ain’t dat da truth, my friend.
Under which Sphere of Influence will humans follow.
Kini on March 11, 2008 at 4:20 AM
I guess it’s official for Catholics like myself:
We have to “recycle or go to Hell” !!
Oh, I don’t mind recycling, don’t get me wrong.
In fact, I recycle everyday. Mostly in the morning and at night.
Yup, twice a day. Especially after eating a heavy dinner.
Boy I’m telling you. It feels so good after recycling.
Indy Conservative on March 11, 2008 at 5:11 AM
Does that address the adage about the Pope and what he does or doesn’t do in the woods?
windbag on March 11, 2008 at 5:13 AM
I think you might be projecting your paranoia about the Global Wwarming “conspiracy” onto this…
Just my opinion…
Squid Shark on March 11, 2008 at 6:28 AM
I have read, and posted to, this site since its inception and did not realize there were so many anti-catholic religious bigots that posted here.
That’s it for me folks…I choose better company.
DoctorDentons on March 11, 2008 at 6:45 AM
Who is attacking my Church??
I’ll take care of them.
May Allah pee on them and throw buckets of beheaded goats on their heads.
Indy Conservative on March 11, 2008 at 6:59 AM
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