windansea on March 10, 2008 at 2:08 PM

If you did not cast a ballot in January, you can cast a Democratic ballot in the imaginary redo. Once you cast that ballot, you are a registered Democrat.

I can not speak for Florida law, but according to our laws in MI, you may have tried to play games in January, but you now realize how much a vote costs…One issue that is kinda lost in all of this is that both Edwards and Obama may have stayed out of MI, and didn’t campaign, but they were openly telling Democrats to vote uncommitted.

but it won’t change the fact that the SOC has a listing of all votes cast in January and that is the list that will be used, not the word of some joker that cast a ballot, thought they were smart and immediately changed party affiliation..You had to have taken a democratic ballot in January in order to re-vote!

They can wish all they want, but they will have the opportunity to vote as a Democrat in November.

Pam on March 10, 2008 at 1:49 PM

what about demo voters who didn’t vote cuz they thought it didn’t matter anyway? Sharpton is supposedly getting a list of these for his lawsuit.

Actually I think Republicans might have a valid lawsuit if Florida gives a revote to all registered dems instead of just those who voted dem in the primary. If some did vote repub in primary and get to vote dem in revote, thats a big no no and I bet there is a Townhouse memo on this very subject

Brokered convention without a doubt….unless…a deal of deals is made between Hilda and Yomama. What might that be, how about a co-presidency. The simple fact is that anything is possible with the democrats. Laws, rules, facts mean nothing, its all HOPE and CHANGE!

Whoever planned this, didn’t have a political solution or exit strategy, to get out of the quagmire.

Sound familiar?

But at this point it may be too late for Republicans to switch in time for a Democrat do-over.

Red Pill on March 10, 2008 at 1:38 PM

What about them? They still voted Republican and therefore are not entitled, nor will they get a Democratic ballot..You can play what if until you get a genie in a bottle that grants you three withes, but it won’t change the fact that the SOC has a listing of all votes cast in January and that is the list that will be used, not the word of some joker that cast a ballot, thought they were smart and immediately changed party affiliation..You had to have taken a democratic ballot in January in order to re-vote!

They can wish all they want, but they will have the opportunity to vote as a Democrat in November.

If there is a “do over”, does that change the number of delegates needed? Wouldn’t that increase the number of delegates available, therefore increasing the number it takes to reach 50%? Wouldn’t that make this even more of a moot point?

duggersd on March 10, 2008 at 12:55 PM

It would increase the number it takes to reach 50%. But, you misunderstand the impact.

The higer threshold, combined with McCain’s loss of 63 delegates (57 from FL, 6 from MI) would mean that McCain no longer has the # of delegates required to “clinch” the nomination. If any of the other candidates could keep McCain from winning enough delegates to “clinch”, …

Second look at a brokered convention.

cjs1943 on March 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Thank you.

I took a Republican ballot and was registered that day as doing so…Only those that didn’t vote in January or those that took a Democrat ballot would get to vote again in a new primary..

Pam on March 10, 2008 at 12:47 PM

What about people who voted Republican but then immediately changed their party affiliation after the primary vote? Those are the people who tried to “fix” the Republican primary and now want to be allowed to vote again in the Democrat primary.

I’ve also heard stories of registered Democrats being given Republican ballots.

calbear on March 10, 2008 at 1:22 PM

The Democrat primary delegates are all proportional. None of them is winner take all.

Here, play with this. It’s Slates Dem Delegate calculator. You’ll see they are all proportional.

Voting twice and letting only one vote count — the free and fair one — is not a problem.

…the problem, if any, is changing the rules in the middle of the game.

If the Democrats are allowed to do a Democrat-only do-over, it would be an absolute outrage to our electoral process because it would allow certain people to vote twice.

That’s B.S. Texan Democrats voted twice and both votes counted (one in the primary, one in the caucus)! Voting twice and letting only one vote count — the free and fair one — is not a problem.

The Republican do-over concept is silly. This isn’t about turning back time. It’s about holding a fair vote so that those delegates who couldn’t be seated before can be seated now. If the Republicans did that, it would change nothing.

The popular vote card seems to be the right one here. Still, AP’s electoral math is faulty, since it assumes that delegates would be assigned strictly according to statewide proportions, something that’s true in precious few states. She could get 55/45 and that could make the difference if her votes are in the right places (assuming Michigan and Florida use a geographically based or winner-take-all system). Also, polls don’t matter much before a campaign begins in the state in question. Otherwise, we’d be talking “President Giuliani” right about now.

The only way the Dems have out of this mess with the average voters in the entire country is just to tell Florida and Michigan they knew the rules, the rules aren’t changing, and better luck next time.

The idea of revoting, and the complete ineptitude of getting into the situation where they might do it is going to make them look incompetent to handle the affairs of the nation.

But I don’t think they know or care. They feel so certain the prize of their nomination is a ticket to the White House they’ve lost sight of all else.

Here’s hoping they wander right off that cliff.

This election, for Democrats, and somewhat for Republicans, has been corrupted.

No matter who loses, they will have been cheated.

And they don’t get to revote if they did cross over and vote for a republican..it isn’t that difficult to understand. They may be Democrats, but in January they pledged themselves as Republicans..it’s the price they pay for switching over..

Pam on March 10, 2008 at 12:59 PM

heh, I forgot about that, the tasty good schadenfrude just keeps on coming, the kos kids thought they were so smart and it bites them in the ass, unbelievably, the same Bambi voters are whining that Hillary got a boost from Rush etc in Texas

BTW. If you want me to read your blog, make good comments. Anybody else annoyed at HA wannabes hawking their own blogs?

It’s being reported that the former states of Michigan and Florida may get around to re-voting to re-ratify their inclusion back into the United States after ceeding from the Union last summer. Both former governors implied that they preferred to move the dates of the ratification ahead of the schedule to resume their respective relevance according the the newly formed Election Workers Union.

Again, I stand corrected.
cjs1943 on March 10, 2008 at 1:04 PM

Sorry about that. Mine was not an intent to “pile on.” Pam just beat me to the same point.

Slublog on March 10, 2008 at 1:00 PM

Again, I stand corrected.