Does AQ have moles in British police forces?
posted at 3:06 pm on March 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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According to a new report out of London, British domestic intelligence service MI-5 has begun investigating four potential al-Qaeda sleeper agents in high positions with Scotland Yard. The four men from southwest Asia have had access to very sensitive information on national-security efforts, including raids on suspected terrorist cells. MI-5 now suspects that they have kept AQ in the loop on British intel initiatives:
All four are understood to be Asians living in London and are feared to have links both with Islamic extremists in Britain and worldwide terror groups - including al-Qaeda training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
MI5 chiefs reportedly believe the suspected moles have been planted as sleepers - agents under deep cover - to keep al-Qaeda informed of anti-terror raids planned by London’s Metropolitan Police.
They are said to fear the four could have already accessed sensitive information about secret operations to root out terror cells planning further attacks in the UK.
This would not be Britain’s first infiltration by terrorists. The IRA had a good deal of success in infiltrating the police forces as well, especially in the 1970s when the Troubles were particularly violent. Given London’s large population of Pakistanis, Afghans, and others from southwest Asia, a few malevolent individuals can use a little preparation to enter the employment of the police even in ancillary positions, such as the unsuccessful infiltrator Omar Altimimi, who applied for a job as a cleaner at one police station.
The net result will be that more suspicion will fall on police and security officials with varied ethnic backgrounds. Most of that will be misdirected — but it also plays into the hands of AQ. Unfair accusations of disloyalty will encourage isolation and mistrust, and that will make it easier for Islamists to recruit the disaffected. It’s a win-win for Osama bin Laden; he gets to either have his moles get him information, or as a fall-back, he gets to stir up animosity and hatred and drive a wedge in the population of one of the West’s capitals.
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No. The British will tell you to your face that they are retreating. No need for inside info.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM
If they don’t they have lefty-Brit allies which is the same thing.
RobCon on March 9, 2008 at 3:25 PM
And don’t forget they were riddled with communist double agents during the Cold War.
rbj on March 9, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Some of the biggest set backs of the Cold War were due to British traitors and spys.
RobCon on March 9, 2008 at 3:26 PM
Why is this appearing in the newspapers? What brain-dead nitwit thinks this is useful material for the entertainment of their readership and the enhancement of their ad revenue? What moron thinks that tipping off the bad guys to an internal inquiry is a really responsible thing to do?
Is there some disease that prevents some people from lifting their gaze just a bit past the level of their wallet to notice some higher concern?
Oh, silly me! We’re talking about journalism here, aren’t we? The “Republic of News” IS the highest concern. Sorry, I forgot.
Lew on March 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM
I’d be surprised if they didn’t.
Blake on March 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM
And this is why “racial profiling” works. All this blathering about “that’s a racist way of thinking” - you tell me, would you prefer sending a Middle-Easterner to look for a job someplace else, or the security of the nation compromised?
emailnuevo on March 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM
I meant to imply that they surely have moles.
emailnuevo on March 9, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Let’s not forget our own CIA and FBI troubles with the Lebanese illegal immigrant who was given a security clearance to surf the data bases. I’ll bet there are a few more.
a capella on March 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Muslims and Islam are not to be trusted in any capacity.
BL@KBIRD on March 9, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Asians as defined by the Brits has had my confused for sometime. When did Pakistan, Afghanistan, (wherever-stan) and India become part of the accepted definition of Asian, furthermore how did a religious affiliation come to define a geographic area?
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Equal Opportunity Terrorism
Kini on March 9, 2008 at 3:41 PM
First, I don’t know the answer to that - I guess they figured the Middle East had to belong to someone, and they sure didn’t want it to be Europe.
Second, since Muslims butchered the indigenous people and silenced opposition.
emailnuevo on March 9, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Skin colour?
Kini on March 9, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Maybe the Brits are applying the safety in numbers concept to discrimination, the whole of Asia is lumped in so as not to offend the religion of perpetual outrage!
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 3:47 PM
The process of cleansing continues. Some more subtle, some more violent.
Britain’s course of action should be obvious. Deportation.
It reminds me of that line from the movie Mrs. Doubtfire, “What language do they speak in England?”, “Pakistani!”
Kini on March 9, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Why was this news leaked is my question? This might make the suspected officials either bolt like Kim Philby, or start destroying any files they have.
Mooseman on March 9, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Britain’s
courselack of actionshouldwill be obvious.DeportationDecapitation!Most probable outcome.
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM
On a somewhat related topic, anything new on the showing of Wilders’ Qur’an film? I haven’t seen any updates since last week when he couldn’t find a willing broadcaster.
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 4:01 PM
It’s out on March 28th, or is supposed to be. No word on the official site, though.
emailnuevo on March 9, 2008 at 4:05 PM
South Koreans. Vietnamese. Cambodian.
Probably Buddhists, the lot.
Niko on March 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM
emailnuevo on March 9, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Thx…I have my doubts that we’ll ever see it on the tube. Look at all the self imposed censorship regarding the Motoons.
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 4:12 PM
In theory, Lawrence Franklin could have been called an “Asian” mole working in the Pentagon.
Have Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman had their day in court yet?
alphie on March 9, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Britain’s problem is still the same. Too politically correct to say the [M]uslim word.
It’s going to be hard to claim racism when your head is removed from your shoulders.
Kini on March 9, 2008 at 4:16 PM
“Youths.”
They’re most likely “youths.”
drjohn on March 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM
It is common in the UK to refer to Asia, meaning India. I believe this is a carry-over from colonial days when India was in play before China and the Far East were involved in significant colonial/trading. Hence Middle East, Asia, and Far East identify three distinct areas that were opened up to the British Empire in chronological order. The US was not involved in the colonial trading situation until Admiral Perry (1854) opened the door to Japan. England was a little sooner (Hong Kong and China 1830-40’s)while the original British Charter in Inda was the early 1600’s. It appears the US does not distinguish between India (British: Asia) and China/Japan/Korea (British: Far East) as the US was not actively involved in India during this time. Another example of two countries divided by a common language.
jerseyman on March 9, 2008 at 4:21 PM
We have them here as well. It just goes to show how sophisticated AQ’s operations really are.
Zorro on March 9, 2008 at 4:27 PM
If it can happen in Great Britain, it can happen here. All there is left to say is, thank God for affirmative action…..
Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM
From Illustrated P.I.G. to Islam
heroyalwhyness on March 9, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Agreed.
What do you mean it can happen? It already has happened. Mr. Hesham Islam has infiltrated the highest level of the Pentagon.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM
again. The French are now tougher than the British.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 4:36 PM
I doubt you’d be saying that if Segolene Royal and the socialists had won the elections last year. Monsieur Sarkozy is responsible for giving the French renewed backbone. Let’s not forget that the Brits have 12000 troops in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting with us, five times the number of the French who have so far refused to engage in the danger areas.
It is on the home front that they have problems, and it isn’t limited to Scotland Yard. West Midlands Police (which covers Birmingham) has a Islamist mole called Anil Patani, who tried to prosecute journalists who exposed the mosques of hate.
This is where affirmative action leads.
Pax americana on March 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM
The Brits have all but accepted Sharia as Law and Defeat from within already. This NOT the GREAT Britain that peserevered under Winston Churchill during WWII. It is the EU Member UK. The LESSER Britain.
I am not surprised in the least.
old trooper on March 9, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Pax americana on March 9, 2008 at 4:50 PM
They’ll pull out of Afghanistan real soon. I don’t even think they are seeing any action there now. Most of the British forces are in peaceful parts of the country. They allow radicals to get away with all kinds of mayhem on their own soil. You’ll probably see the Irish gain their independence soon too through succession. They need to replace the Union Jack with a white t-shirt at the end of a fallen branch.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 4:58 PM
If the Brits don’t have AQ moles in their intelligence services, then I’m sure the CIA can let them borrow a few hundred of the ones that are directing our intelligence services. Read “Legacy of Ashes” by Tim Weiner. The utter incompetence of the CIA is incomprehensible.
volsense on March 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM
The British call everyone east of Iran “Asian”
rbj on March 9, 2008 at 5:02 PM
In America Asian means Pacific Rim/Indo China. Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Phillipines etc. We based it on shared physical characteristics.
In the UK Asian means the continent of Asia, on which Pakistan resides. To describe what we Americans call Asian they say Oriental in the UK. Asian is sort of a catch all for Pakistanis, Indians etc.
Theworldisnotenough on March 9, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Here’s a link to the official site:
http://www.fitnathemovie.com/
Rod on March 9, 2008 at 5:04 PM
I don’t agree; the French are returning, ever so slowly, to their former glory, thanks to Sarkozy. The British are going through a rough patch, but don’t underestimate the old Lions. I have a deeply devout Anglophilia but I can’t help but like the French, especially now.
However, if it’ll make the Brits work harder, harass them all day long.
emailnuevo on March 9, 2008 at 5:11 PM
TCO
It’s not all black in Britain, at least they don’t have a Muslim running for president….;)
BL@KBIRD on March 9, 2008 at 5:12 PM
The British police have two different designations for Asians - one for Orientals, one for Indians/Pakistanis etc.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 5:14 PM
This is inaccurate TCO. Since ISAF stage 3 began in 2006 the Brits have been fighting in Helmand province, which is where some of the fiercest action against the Taliban is taking place, and have suffered dozens of casualties. Almost alone among our allies, the Brits have shown a willingness to take on tough assignments.
Their commanders, including Prime Minister Brown have committed Britain to a military presence in Afghanistan for decades, and consider it a higher priority than Iraq.
The Irish gained their independence a long time ago as I hope you are aware. The great majority of Ulstermen are quite happy with the present settlement in the Union at the moment. I hope you are not a closet sympathizer with the neo-fascist IRA scumbags.
Pax americana on March 9, 2008 at 5:22 PM
It would seem to me that MI5 could do a sting operation to root out those that they suspect of being moles. Or would that be too much like profiling?
d1carter on March 9, 2008 at 5:24 PM
It won’t be long before the five or six brave men left on the isle will ask us to invade them to save Britain.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Ross Kemp in Afghanistan
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Good link. Shame about the comments on the video though. Youtube seems to be swarming with jihadis.
Pax americana on March 9, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Yeah, Utubeistan it is.
Buzzy on March 9, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Obviously TCO’s view of America’s contribution to world peace is a combination of Marvel/DC/MetroGoldwynMeyer/DisneyLand.
TCO, do yourself a favor. Look up, and add up, if you can, the KIAs in WWI, WWII, Korea, and GWOT for Great Britian.
Then do the same with the U.S. You might find out something
that Marvel/DC/MetroGoldwynMeyer/DisneyLand didn’t teach you. I mean KIAs. Not civilian casualities. Just the military KIAs.
Sick and tired of stuck-up John Wayne wannabes giving the finger to our best friend on the planet. I don’t agree with their nanny state crap, but it is their country, not yours.
America didn’t save the world, it helped save the world.
Now…back on topic….I’m sure Britian does have moles. Just as I am sure we do. I’d hardly hold the CIA or FBI up as a pillar of good judgement.
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Ding. Ding. Ding.
SouthernGent on March 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM
100% agreement. This could have waited until the headline could be “4 Suspected AQ moles arrested”
darkpixel on March 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Of course terrorists are in British Police forces. They may be in ours too.
The difference you ask?
We don’t want them in ours. In Britain, they do. It’s all about multiculturalism and inclusiveness. See? The Brits have it right! It’s all about equality and being nice!
Montana on March 9, 2008 at 6:01 PM
We have TSA “agents” who are muslim. Do you not think they cannot be touched? We are abject fools and will be slaughtered like sheep because of our own ineptitude. Then we have fools like Congressman Watt demanding we put more “people of color” in the hierarchy of Homeland Security. How about people of character, competence and patriotic reliability? Idiots all and, yes, they are a threat to me, you and our families.
wepeople on March 9, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Thanks Limerick. Also, remember the Falklands.
This conflict had low casualties which is as good a time as any to discuss the command to “Love Thy Enemies” which Hicthens routinely sneers at.
I don’t have a reference handy but the account is from a Victory in the Falklands which I picked up while visiting the Imperial War Museum in London last summer. A British commander convinced an outnumbered and wounded Argentinian force to surrender by stressing their common faith.
He called out (I paraphrase) “We’re both Christians. You should end this before more blood is spilled.” The Argentinian force surrendered and bloodshed was averted.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 6:11 PM
We’re not exactly shunning them here either. When the FBI decides their agents need more Muslim sensitivity classes it shows they’re heading the wrong direction in a hurry.
Afterimage on March 9, 2008 at 6:12 PM
The Brits are proving what Ariel Durant said almost a 100 years ago is true…….”A great civilization cannot be conquered from the outside until it destroys itself from the inside first.”
volsense on March 9, 2008 at 6:17 PM
For TCO I was trying to keep the conflicts where the U.S and GB were involved together, but your point is a good one.
One of the most gut wrenching videos I have seen was the British invasion fleet in Stanley harbor when the Argentine jets came roaring in off the deck. I was a terrifying bit of footage. The Argentine air assets were two full generations behind the Brits anti-air assets and yet they came in guns and missles blazing.
My boy (during the initial year in Iraq) served with British and Spanish troops. He had nothing but high praise for them and their bravery. On his second tour his training in Kuwait on door to door operations was conducted by a British Army sergeant major.
Disclaimer. I’m a white guy with Irish/British/German/French heritage so assume I’m prejudiced. :)
If you’re ever in Texas there are pints waiting for you at the bar.
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Here’s what we should do. Since Britain is surrounded by water we’ll use it to our advantage. We should airlift the handful of brave Englishmen left out of there, then use Britain as the new International Club Gitmo. We’ll let the terrorists turn Parliament into a mosque, Stonehenge a giant sized foot bath, and Big Ben as a Al-Jazeera satellite tower to keep the natives from getting restless.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Haha thanks.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 6:21 PM
TCO is obviously doing one of his comedy routines which no one but him finds funny. No matter, he’s been refuted so we can just ignore his unfunny ramblings.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 6:22 PM
I hate being right……., it is happening here, after all.
Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Damn skippy it is! I’ve tried TWICE to join up. Both times it is because I’m over 39 that they rejected my application. They want officers so badly yet a fit late middle aged man is no good to them.
Besides, I know better then to shoot a drug smuggler in the butt. :)
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Yeah, too bad Predident Bush’s Administration does not share our demand to secure our borders, and those on the front lines are forced to pay the price.
I am just glad that a few years back, we used to have an eye on the ball…
“Attorney General John Ashcroft has publicly said a high-ranking al-Qaeda leader, Adnan El-Shukrijumah, has offered top dollar to infiltrate the United States. “
But, alas, no more……..
Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Allahpundit still here? Just curios - things seem to have slowed, and Ed seems to be doing all the new material posting (maybe its supposed to be that way now?).
Midas on March 9, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Weekend off. Chasing MKH I assume.
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Love to read all the moronic comments here about how Britain has already surrendered to Islamic terrorism. It belongs in the same basket as those who think they surrendered to the IRA. I don’t doubt that there are some individuals in the British services and security apparatus (Garage attendents and a few meter maids) who have some sympathy but it would be very difficult to get useful tactical information on raids. I have a friend who has a picture of himself shaking hands and accepting an award from Martin McGuinness. He penetrated the top of the IRA and now lives in the US with a new name. He isn’t the least bit political but he liked putting one over people and loved his work. It is the best way to fight terrorists and roll up cells. It works but takes lots of time and patience to set up. AQ have no use for that kind of intelligence. It does not help them in this kind of fight. I’m sure there are police officers under surveillance. But to say there is a mole who is tipping off the leadership of AQ is pretty far fetched and as the source for the story is the News of the World I’m going to go ahead and criticize Ed for peddling this rubbish. Bad enough that this heresay from a genuine fleet street rag gets put out on hot air like it is fact… then you have the usual BS from all the foamy mouthed idiots here showing off their breathtaking ignorance.
lexhamfox on March 9, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Would this be the same Scotland Yard as went into (Asian) Pakistan, and declared that Bhutto had not been shot in the head? And that no, they didn’t need to see her body so there was no reason to exhume it?
Who, exactly, constituted the Scotland Yard team which conducted this farce?
NahnCee on March 9, 2008 at 6:53 PM
By the way, I too tried to sign up a few years ago before I passed the age requirement. Made it all the way to the psychological testing, where to my amazement, I was denied, when during an interview, I stated that I wanted to enforce the immigration laws of the United States.
Little did I know, there is no psycholgical testing for the Border Patrol…..
“Candidates have to speak or be able to learn Spanish, and must pass drug, medical and physical fitness tests, a background investigation and questioning by an oral review board to qualify for attending the Border Patrol’s five-month training academy.
The Border Patrol does not subject applicants to psychological testing, Nicley said.”
I hope everyone has a good nights sleep…….
Seven Percent Solution on March 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM
lexhamfox, if we could see that you Brits had killed as many Pakistani’s in push-back as you used to kill Irish, we wouldn’t have given up on you.
NahnCee on March 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Some stooge for the Labour Government I presume. Labour have politicised every institution in Britain, especially the police but also the military.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM
NahnCee on March 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 7:03 PM
Yes.
Mike D. on March 9, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Does AQ have moles in the Police forces of the USA?
Quite probably.
Mike D. on March 9, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 5:51 PM
America didn’t save the world, it helped save the world.
If this is in reference to WWII, I believe I am confused yet again…(tuff thread) Just how did the Brits hold out without the lend lease program, convoys of materials from the states, etc. prior to our direct involvement at the end of 1941. Without our commitment of transport and materials from 1939 through 1941 fortress England would have been sunk by the Nazis. I guess the Russians and Chinese had things well under control and really didn’t need our help either!
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 7:14 PM
Of course the British, Russians and Chinese needed American help and couldn’t have done it without the US. Nobody would ever say otherwise. However could the US (and this is the source of your confusion) have defeated Germany, Italy and Japan without the help of Britain, Australia, Canada, Russia, Serbia, China and India? Your thinking is too linear and doesn’t take in the scale of the conflict.
America became the leading power in saving the world roughly around 1917-1943 onwards but human history did not begin in the 20th century and I would encourage you to study the Napoleonic wars.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM
The US was also the decisive leader in the Barbary wars. The US victory against Tripoli inspired the European powers to forsake tribute and launch their own wars against the Barbary pirates. (Not, as Tony737 said the other week, that the US was the only country to fight against the Barbary pirates.)
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Britain, France, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands and Canada all have Islamofascist moles in their police and military. Unfortunately for us some of them are our biggest allies in NATO.
Isn’t it lovely to think that the Islamofascists know all our codes, contingency plans, etc. from their plants inside the armed forces of our NATO allies. And just think of the fun we will all have if push does come to shove with the Islamofascists. How many of our troops are going to die from sabotage perpetrated by the Islamofascists in our NATO allies armed forces?
Nahanni on March 9, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Comment deleted by Ed. Endorsements of mass executions based on ethnic or religious characteristics have no place here.
grtflmark on March 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM
Ask Mr. Islam at the Pentagon. He ought to know, he’s practically running the place.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 8:15 PM
“lexhamfox, if we could see that you Brits had killed as many Pakistani’s in push-back as you used to kill Irish, we wouldn’t have given up on you.
NahnCee on March 9, 2008 at 6:56 PM”
NahnCee… I am not a Brit. I doubt that you are actually Irish. The British are America’s best ally in the world today. They have been for some time and will be the foreseeable future. Its ironic that someone who supports an administration which has been behind the largest military aid and transfer of technology package Pakistan has ever received is criticizing the British for not killing enough Pakistanis.
lexhamfox on March 9, 2008 at 8:17 PM
lexhamfox on March 9, 2008 at 8:17 PM
He’s irish dude. real irish. He’s way off on his political views, but he’s had a few taters in his time.
Hoosier’s is the best sports movie of all time.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 8:24 PM
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Your point is well taken and it is the obvious conclusion one can draw after the fact. European and for that matter most of the civilized world did indeed teeter on the brink of oblivion in 1941 after the fall of France. Had the United States chose to withdraw material help and adopt an isolationist foreign policy,(as many in this country advocated) most historians agree that the Nazis would have defeated the Brits. I am not saying that the ultimate defeat of the Axis powers was the result of only an American effort; of course it took the combined will and sacrifice of all freedom seeking countries. But, do not belittle or forget that without the efforts of the United States early in the European conflict when America was not directly involved, the world would be a vastly different place!
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 8:29 PM
I think it’s time that Europe and Asia started paying a “Thank You Tax”.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM
America’s official enemy is not Islam. America follows pro-Islam policies in Israel, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen and Azerbaijan. The US is, to use a term that once described Britain when Queen Victoria was the sovereign of British India, a Muslim power.
The US’s official enemy is extremism which is why the false dichotomy between liberalism and Nazism, Euro-weenies and neo-fascists exists. There’s no in-between, you’re either a coward or a fascist. Its a Catch-22.
Edited by Ed to remove reference to another’s removed comment.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 8:34 PM
Ed,
clean up the ethnic cleansing “question”
grtflmark on March 9, 2008 at 8:14 PM
It really drags this blog in the mire.
madvision on March 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM
I agree.
Not only did I not, nor would I ever, belittle or forget the US’s contribution I specifically wrote:
I actually love America and the other week I saw for the first time Objective Burma which is one of the best, most gut-wrenching war films ever made. I was dizzy afterwards.
The reason I may seem to come across as non-plussed at the US is because I spend so much time refuting anti-European comments on this blog. I just won’t accept that Europeans are worthless cowards who deserve whatever they have coming to them. Especially since, as I wrote in a comment to Pax Americana two weeks ago, my deeply conservative Catholic country (Ireland) is being undone by ideas developed on US campuses.
A lot of these comments have a kind of detached air as if the destruction of Europe is something an American can watch with a box of popcorn whereas as I’ve pointed out upthread jihadist infiltration is just as bad in the US as in any other Western country.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Given the Catch-22 reality, our only strategy appears to be the “quality of life” issue. Usually when folks are fat, dumb and happy the last thing they (fatties) want is a challange to that life and future. Extremism in any incarnation threatens this. So the ol’ Spock-onian good of the many argument becomes quite valid.
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Excellent suggestion. Mr Morrissey could begin by condemning Winston Churchill who authorised the transport of millions of ethnic Germans by train to Germany from Czechoslovakia in 1945.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 8:47 PM
We are all brothers, my mother fled Lithuania (from the Russians)during the war and ended up in Germany, whilst my father flew bombing missions in a B24 over the continent. Only through combined efforts (yet again) can we prevail over another fascist threat to our mutual freedoms.
dmann on March 9, 2008 at 9:03 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml
Maverick on 60 Minutes.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 9, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Too true.
aengus on March 9, 2008 at 9:27 PM
Moles in British police forces? Why would they bother? I think most British people forget they even have a police force given their ineffectiveness. The overabundance of PC thinking from the higher ups has neutered them. Read this depressing article:
Grayson on March 9, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Or not. The link isn’t posting…
Grayson on March 9, 2008 at 10:07 PM
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Grayson on March 9, 2008 at 10:09 PM
I’ve not discounted the lend lease. But many….m a n y…. discount the contribution of other nations. If you want a real peak at the myth that America did it alone read ‘Eisenhower at War’ by David Eisenhower.
By the winter of 44 we had were tapped. The new divisions were nothing more, or better, then the cannon fodder that Stalin had thrown against Germany in 42 and 43.
Yes we play a vital, and probably pivotal role in the conflict. But to dismiss Britian, Canada, Russia, China, and MANY others the war would have been lost (in Europe).
We have been raised on ‘Gung Ho’ and ‘Sands of Iwo Jima’, but few can tell you anything about El Alemein, or Dieppe,
or the Battle of Britian, Arnhem, Caen, or the war in the Atlantic. How about those sailors on Prince of Wales and Exeter? The Lancaster crews. The spunky British submarine service working three theaters of war? And WHEN was the last time you thanked a Aussie for HMAS Perth? Never, cause we have blinders on. We would do far better to remember the HMS Hood then the moles in the British system.
America loves it’s heroes, but all too often forgets about the other nations who served right along side us. When was the last time you thanked the Philipines or Norway? Like I said, we helped, a great deal. Sure we were the arsenal of the world, but the blood on the ground wasn’t just ours.
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Pardon the spelling….skills suck but I got spirit.
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 10:34 PM
I agree with you, but I think that your point is true of all countries. America doesn’t always appreciate other place’s contributions, but the we’re not the only ones.
Grayson on March 9, 2008 at 11:08 PM
I hear ya. It just saddens me to see people who value the sacrifice of her own sons so much that they forget about the sacrifice of other sons. I know, I’m getting all sanctimonious. That is the fate of old farts.
Limerick on March 9, 2008 at 11:16 PM
England bans an Israeli politician from entering, but allows in hate-spewing Muslims.
England allows lawsuits by Saudi oil ticks, seeking to restrict freedom of speech and press in other countries.
“Airmen have been told not to leave an RAF base in uniform to avoid being verbally abused by civilians.”
Yep, this is most assuredly a country of stalwart citizens whom I can count on to be allies.
Not.
NahnCee on March 10, 2008 at 12:27 AM
Those DAMNED Hindus are at it again!!
thareb on March 10, 2008 at 6:49 AM
One of the more transparently ridiculous statements I’ve heard. For one thing, you just maligned all Muslims currently fighting in the US Army.
Here’s another. The Brits have had to face some of the toughest fighting in Afghanistan. Read some Michael Yon, at least.
Math_Mage on March 10, 2008 at 10:06 AM
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