TNR: Michigan to hold Democratic caucus to seat delegates?
posted at 3:20 pm on March 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Terrific. He’s won 12 of the 14 caucuses held thus far, and one of her two wins was American Samoa. What could go wrong?
Read the TNR post. Granholm did all she could to tip this to her/our gal by holding a primary early, back when Hillary was still “inevitable.” The DNC didn’t blink and now it’s come to this.
Granholm said yesterday that the caucuses would have to be privately funded. Exit question one: Who’s paying? Exit question two: Is there a man or woman among you who thinks Hillary will win a caucus by a wide enough margin to make any significant headway in the delegate gap?
Update: Here’s Karl Rove’s advice to Hillary going forward, the first element of which is to present herself as more accomplished than he is, for all his rhetoric, about building consensus among Democrats and Republicans. Is that really what Hillary needs in the Democratic primary? To be seen as more centrist, especially in light of her Iraq vote? Obama can get away with the “bipartisan” talk because the left knows he’s a doctrinaire leftist. She’s a pragmatist. Big difference.
Update: Enjoy these empty calories too, courtesy of WaPo, about the relentless infighting and ego-tripping within Team Hillary, most of which seems to revolve around dead-weight strategist/pollster Mark Penn. The piece was obviously written as a political obituary in the expectation that she’d lose on Tuesday night and then reconfigured as a “how she almost lost” piece. Sample quote: “Longtime Clinton advisers such as Ickes, James Carville, Rahm Emanuel, John Podesta and Paul Begala openly despise him, and some even nicknamed him ‘Schlumbo.’” Or, if you prefer:
“[Expletive] you!” Ickes shouted.
“[Expletive] you!” Penn replied.
“[Expletive] you!” Ickes shouted again.
Read down a ways for the “testy” phone conversation between Billy Jeff and Ted Kennedy.
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I wonder what those [expletive]’s could be!
Chuck Schick on March 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Caucus? Looks like somebody is trying to screw Hillary.
SoulGlo on March 6, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Why do they shout the word “expletevie” at each other, and how can you tell when someone is speaking in brackets? I don’t get it.
TexasDan on March 6, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Rules are just guidelines, like expirations dates on milk cartons, they’re not to be taken seriously.
Kini on March 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Who could pay for it? Why Hillary and Bill could hit up their Chinese and Saudi friends for enough to run an actual primary. It would be the first time those states contributed to a ‘democracy project’.
michaelo on March 6, 2008 at 3:34 PM
OT:
Aminals killed 8 seminary students in Jerusalem
Lance Murdock on March 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
That’s the Orbit commercial, you lint-licker.
Fabulous!
James on March 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Heck, if the Republican National Committee was smart, they’d offer to pay for it.
jon1979 on March 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Only if we could run it and determine the outcome.
Kini on March 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Even in a straight out primary revote, if you assume she win both 52/48 you’re talking a net gain of only 15 delegates. This isn’t about making the magic number which neither can do at their current strength. This is about having the political cover to take the nomination at the convention.
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Nevah Nevah underestimate the Clinton Political Machine!
serenity on March 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
At first glance, I thought that this was a Billy Jeff vs. Hillary conversation.
OhEssYouCowboys on March 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Caucus? That will not go over too well in MI! I’m not quite sure that Granholm and Dean realize just how angry the Democrats are in this state. Dean talks about how everyone knew the rules 18 months ago…well I have news for Mr. Dean, the voters were not aware of the superdelegate rules, nor the weight they carried in the nomination process. He best not anger them too much because many of my democratic relatives and friends are more than happy to cast their vote for McCain. They are disgusted with the process by which the Democrats run the primaries.
Pam on March 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
An Obama supporter. Maybe Soros.
If I was Clinton I would demand a primary.
ninjapirate on March 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Caucuses would be a complete mess.
ninjapirate on March 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Better.
James on March 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM
I know.
*insert maniacal laugh*
natesnake on March 6, 2008 at 3:41 PM
aahhh, music to my ears. Sweetness and light….
The shivs come out in the near future.
moxie_neanderthal on March 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM
The Ultimate Clinton Political Machine
Eventually I will Understand Links….or at least be able to make them work!
serenity on March 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Man, I am going to have to run to the store and get more popcorn and beer.
As Will Rodgers put it “I am not a member of any organized party. I am a Democrat.”
er, not that I’m a Democrat
rbj on March 6, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Hillary’s biggest problem is she tried to out liberal Obama. She should of never apologized for the war vote. None of the Democrats running ran as a blue dog democrat, even though that is what took over the house back in 06. She would be a scary lady if she actually believed in something other than she is the chosen one.
Conservative Voice on March 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
They eat their wounded….
Lost in Space
serenity on March 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Dean-o thinks it’s okay to disenfranchise people as long as they know the rules over which they have ZERO control. Too bad if they showed up and voted when they polls were open. That’s not his problem.
This from the sanctimonious party that talks about counting every vote and making every vote count no matter how long it takes or what the cost. The hypocrisy has to be crystal clear by now to even to the most mentally challenged among us. The other big lies will be exposed in Denver.
TheBigOldDog on March 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM
My guess- “Rove” as in “Oh Rove, I just hit my thumb with the hammer.”
highhopes on March 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM
HRC may have been losing caucuses, but that’s partly because her campaign virtually conceded them. In Nevada, where the Hillarians made an effort, they exceeded expectations, IIRC. Considering the high African American population in MI, and how she got only 55% running against uncommitted during the forbidden primary, a high-profile caucus might work better for her. Both teams would try to flood the zone. It could be nuclear war toe to toe between real live Obamaniacs and Hillarusskis!
CK MacLeod on March 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Caucus? And this solves anything? Which set of delegates will the credential committee seat at the convention?
Who will be allowed to caucus? Only those who voted in the primary? Or every democrat, or pretend democrat? What about the independents who want to vote democrat? What about the Republicans who want to get in on the party? Or will the caucus rules be different from the rules in the primary where you could choose which ballot you wanted to vote?
What happens when fanatical Obama supporters start ‘gaming’ the caucus to keep Clinton loyalists out?
What happens when they screw this up again? Another do-over? Until they get it right? How many do-overs do we get? Rules?
What rules? Why follow the rules now? Especially if you can generate a large enough mob of loyalists, you can make your own rules.
And the democrat party thinks they are competent enough to administer a country when they can’t even manage a primary election?
rockhauler on March 6, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Sa-weeet!
Caucus? I don’t need no stinking caucus! Just gimmie your votes and we’ll call it even.
moxie_neanderthal on March 6, 2008 at 4:02 PM
dude what? I thought they were penalised because they didn’t follow established party rules; so now they are going back on earlier desicions? Holy crap DNC!! Everyone moaned about the republicans for years, it’s not like the DNC is doing any better at this point. The adage ‘going to hell in a handbasket’ comes to mind at this point.
I think it’s time to change my democrat registration back to independant. yeesh. I’m glad I didn’t give anybody any of my money, because this is the way they want to spend it??!
drift on March 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM
I agree… If you don’t vote for Obama you must be a Racist..
Also, caucuses aren’t the true will of the people, people cannot cast a silent ballots.(I think Caucuses should be done away with)
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Hillary and Obama have so much extra $ they should have to split the cost of a new election along with the DNC..
Hillary 1/3 of the cost $10 million
Obama 1/3 of the cost $10 million
DNC 1/3 of the cost $10 million
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
This is one great expletive blog :)
mikeyboss on March 6, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Too true TBOD, I saw on WaPo where a commenter put up the fairy tale of mean old NeoCons quaking in their boots at the prospect of the Dream Ticket (Hillary superior), and the long knives between the two camps immediately appeared. It was fabulous! No justice, no peace!
rhodeymark on March 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM
some more good news brewin’, howard dean is screwed:
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/sen.-bill-nelson-paints-florida-train-wreck-scenario-2008-03-06.html
jimmer on March 6, 2008 at 4:43 PM
For the reason that listed, I am all for the long drawn out primary with a brokered convetion!
Pam on March 6, 2008 at 4:56 PM
The costs need to be split 3-ways
1/3 Hillary
1/3 Obama
1/3 DNC(If they ALL want to take responsibility, they could go this way)
OR
1/2 DNC(Since they should take responsibility)
1/4 Hillary
1/4 Obama
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 5:00 PM
The candidates do have lots of extra $, it shouldn’t be a problem.. they are breaking fund raising records.
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Chaos and more chaos. Democrat chaos is our friend. If they cannot govern themselves they cannot govern a nation. This is what the voters will think
I want to see knives baseball bats and bare knuckles.
dennisw on March 6, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Another reason why -
Liberty is dead. Who needs rules, anyway.
mksmithwriter on March 6, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Both sides appeal to the their bases in the primary, fart left and fart right. They move to the middle toward the convention, once they have the nomination nailed.
Does it really matter, anyhow?
Because -
Liberty is dead. All hail Oz!
mksmithwriter on March 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM
I’m wondering why Floridia and Michigan State parties don’t respond to the failure to recognize their delegations by just stating they’ll have their Governors put Hillary on the ballot if their delegates aren’t allowed to vote at the convention?
I think that while the national party has every right to disenfranchise any state delegation, the states in the end hold the trump card, since every state’s election code states that for presidential elections, the state executive committee is responsible for presenting the list of electors, along with the presidential candidate the electors are obligated to vote for, upon the ballot. The national parties have no part in the state electoral processes.
This is one case where “states’ rights” really do trump, if the state committees play their cards right.
unclesmrgol on March 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM