California to parents: You’re not qualified to teach your kids Update: LA Times misunderstood ruling?
posted at 6:15 pm on March 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Home-schooling families got dealt a blow by the California appeals court. They ruled that only certified educators could opt out of public or private schools, which will likely end home schooling as an option for parents who cannot afford the latter and detest the former. The judge ruled that parents have no constitutional right to school their children themselves:
The appellate court ruling stems from a case involving Lynwood parents Phillip and Mary Long, who were repeatedly referred to the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services over various allegations, including claims of physical abuse, involving some of their eight children.
All of the children are currently or had been enrolled in Sunland Christian School, where they would occasionally take tests, but were educated in their home by their mother, Phillip Long said.
A lawyer appointed to represent two of the Long’s young children requested that the court require them to physically attend a public or private school where adults could monitor their well-being. A trial court disagreed, but the children’s lawyer appealed to the 2nd District Court of Appeal, which has jurisdiction over Los Angeles, Ventura, Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo counties.
The appellate panel ruled that Sunland officials’ occasional monitoring of the Longs’ home schooling — with the children taking some tests at the school — is insufficient to qualify as being enrolled in a private school. Since Mary Long does not have a teaching credential, the family is violating state laws, the ruling said.
“Parents do not have a constitutional right to home school their children,” wrote Justice H. Walter Croskey in a Feb. 28 opinion signed by the two other members of the district court. “Parents who fail to [comply with school enrollment laws] may be subject to a criminal complaint against them, found guilty of an infraction, and subject to imposition of fines or an order to complete a parent education and counseling program.”
Got that? If you choose to reject the government education monopoly and can’t afford a private school, you will face criminal prosecution. That will make the parents of an estimated 166,000 children criminals overnight.
Obviously, not every home-school situation benefits the child in question, but overall, home-schooled children perform at a higher level in comparison to the children educated at public schools. Differences in performance seen at public schools between genders and ethnicities tend to disappear with home schooling, and interestingly, parental education levels don’t have the same level of impact on performance at home as they do in public schools. Certification also has little impact on results, which strongly indicates that it serves no useful purpose.
Even if those results didn’t exist, though, should the state have the authority to deny that choice to parents? The allegations of abuse in this case complicates the complaint, but the appellate judge went far beyond the parameters of this specific case in his ruling. He essentially reduced the status of parent to in loco civitas rather than the state acting in loco parentis.
At the very least, the ruling presents a troubling precedent. During our nation’s history, the parent has always had the presumption of knowing what is best for his or her child unless evidence arises to the contrary. For that to remain, parents have to have the right to opt out of the state monopoly and educate their children as they see fit. This decision essentially puts the state in the position of making all children a ward of the government and presuming to override the wishes of the parent, with no evidence of harm, abuse, or neglect.
Californians have a referendum process to enact laws through direct democracy. I’ll bet that we will see a ballot initiative soon to restore parental prerogative in education.
UPDATE: Ace says that the LA Times misunderstood the ruling:
The short version: The LA Times got it wrong in the first sentence of their article. Parents without teaching credentials can still educate their children at home under the various exemptions to mandatory public school enrollment provided in § 48220 et seq. of the Cal. Ed. Code. The parents in this case lost because they claimed that the students were enrolled in a charter school and that with minimal supervision from the school, the children were free to skip classes so the mother could teach them at home. There is no basis in law for that argument. If only the parents had attempted to homeschool their kids in one of the statutorily prescribed methods, they would have prevailed.
Be sure to read Ace’s very detailed legal argument. I still think that there are a lot of hoops for homeschooler parents to clear, but it’s not impossible, as the Times indicated.
UPDATE II: It would be easier to read Ace’s entire argument if I linked to it… And Ace writes me to make sure I credit Gabriel Malor with the post, so mission accomplished!
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Gabriel Malor says the LA Times misunderstood the story.
amerpundit on March 6, 2008 at 6:19 PM
This should be read before everyone panics to much.
Over at Aces;
Homeschooling is NOT Imperiled in California
ChrisM on March 6, 2008 at 6:19 PM
In other words: in California, a home-schooling parent is a criminal, but an illegal immigrant is not.
This is not the last time you’re going to hear about this. Expect a massive exodus from CA or a massive outcry all over the country. This fight is not over: not by a long shot!
“Let the Supreme Court decide!”
newton on March 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM
I’ve only skimmed this.
ace.mu.nu:Homeschooling is NOT Imperiled in California
ninjapirate on March 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Damn skippy…
ChrisM on March 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Gee, has anyone seen Gabriel Malor’s piece at AoS?
:-)
amerpundit on March 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Not enough global warming in the curriculum.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM
School-Choice should be the next civil rights fight that we wage..
You should be able to send your children to ANY School that you wish.. The public funds per student should be transferable to private schools of your choice.
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Everyone who’s anyone.
ChrisM on March 6, 2008 at 6:23 PM
I second that.
newton on March 6, 2008 at 6:23 PM
California Uber Alles !
Dirthead on March 6, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Did anyone link Malor’s post at Ace’s yet?
doubleplusundead on March 6, 2008 at 6:25 PM
LolKorts
I’m in ur homez…
N’Doktrinating ur childs.
VolMagic on March 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM
What could be more fundamental a human right than the right to school our own children? Once we lose our rights to school our own children, we might as well bend over and kiss our tired arses goodbye.
petefrt on March 6, 2008 at 6:27 PM
I know uncountable people without teaching certification that have twice the intellect and knowledge than 80% of our public school teachers.
Can I prove it? Yes I believe I can. Al Gores movie ‘bullshi_ on film’ was presented in public schools accross the nation as though it was fact. Proof enough?
allrsn on March 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Hey, California appeals court! Define >”certified educator”.
pilamaye on March 6, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Who has asked the question, ‘why is the left so demanding that our children go to public schools?
allrsn on March 6, 2008 at 6:30 PM
heheh
Nice one Sin
ChrisM on March 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Dear God.
I realize professional teachers might be needed for teaching upper class high school chemistry or calculus.
But until that point, it doesn’t take rocket scientists to teach basic subjects. Not to mention having a 1 teacher to 1 student ratio is probably a wee bit better than 35 students in a class.
I wasn’t home schooled. I won’t home school. And I’m glad on both accounts. But I see people who CHOOSE to home school as exercising a constitutional right every bit as important as the (other) first and second amendment rights.
It boggles the mind that liberals think its conservatives who are taking our freedoms away … when liberalism has plainly eroded all of our major freedoms away for years.
Ace’s article notwithstanding, there is an assault on these rights. The only solid rights you’ve got left are rights to porn and abortion. Yippie.
———–
BTW, Mr. Morrisey, I’m greatly enjoying your presence here.
Professor Blather on March 6, 2008 at 6:34 PM
I have friends who have home-schooled their kids in California. They were required to take a certification test that showed they were competent to teach the required curriculum. One friend of mine was certified to teach at high-school level so she could school her kids at home.
Look carefully at what the judge said. He doesn’t say you CAN’T home school, just says you need to be qualified. As far as I know, that’s been the rule in most districts for a long time. The judge ruled that you don’t have an inherent right to educate your kids regardless of your qualifications. If you did, there would be no point to compulsary education because people would have Jethro Bodine educating their kids.
crosspatch on March 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM
Repeating what I just posted in the headlines, here’s a quote from a lawyer for the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction:
mikeyboss on March 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Read the legal documents for yourselves to determine what the ruling means.
Sultry Beauty on March 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM
I moved out of California two years ago and the school situation was a big factor in the decision. The public schools in Los Angeles are so horrible it’s literally like sending children to prison (we toured the elementary school my son was supposed to attend and our guide bragged that they only had three “lock downs” that year, which apparently was lower than prior years). Thus, if you care for your kids at all you MUST send them to private school. And of course the private schools know this and charge astronomical fees (if you’re “lucky” enough to make it off their waiting list and be accepted).
The main culprit is the Los Angeles Unified School District, one of the most out of control government bureaucracies in the country. I mean, at least NYC divides their school system into boroughs. In LA everything — including the San Fernando Valley — falls under LAUSD jurisdiction. The waste, fraud and outright thievery is staggering. All controlled by the most corrupt leftist politicians you can imagine.
miles on March 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Next we will have our children taken away at birth so that will be good little NAZI’s; for their own good of course.
Johan Klaus on March 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM
Supreme Court: Here we come.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Okay, this ruling isn’t really about homeschooling, but homeschooling was illegal before, so it’s probably still illegal now.
The state looks the other way most of the time, but when I was homeschooling (in Cali) I joined one of those home-schooling defense-fund co-ops so that in case the gov’t decided to make an example of me I would have legal representation.
Bad Penny on March 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Ace may say it’s a misunderstanding, but …
If you visit HSLDA’s site, they are jumping all over this ruling, complete with a pop up box asking you to sign a petition against the ruling that makes it “illegal” to home school in CA. They even have the LA Times article posted.
WolkingsWorld.com on March 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM
a break for the state, if upheld .. and a sucker punch to those who choose to not enroll their children in, nor subject them to, the local gubamint indoctrination encampments.
They need all the new noses in the classrooms they can get as a lot of illegals have already left the state with their kids for their homeland or other climes. Sadly, dwindling prospects for any sanity to reign anytime soon either are just that, dwindling to nought.
The state electorate seems to be dumbing-down even further despite the abundance of icebergs in their immediate vicinity. ;-)
normsrevenge on March 6, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Exactly, miles. If my son hadn’t come home with cockroaches in his backpack because the school was massively infested, I might have kept him in his public high school here in SF Bay Area.
And except for the 3 arson fires that fall, and the kids who tried to start fights with him to prove they were tough, and the math teacher who told his class on 9/11 that it was because the US gives money to the Jews. Except for those things…
Bad Penny on March 6, 2008 at 6:46 PM
The LAT got a fundamental part of a story wrong? Now that’s a fluke!
Dusty on March 6, 2008 at 6:50 PM
I am telling you guys -
Liberty is dead! School that!
mksmithwriter on March 6, 2008 at 6:52 PM
My uncle did NOT fight in Flanders’ Field and suffer post-traumatic stress disorder the rest of his shortened life so that a bunch of unelected judges can tell we the people how we can and cannot rear our own children!!!
California Courts: You Are Not Qualified To Rule In Cases
Branch Rickey on March 6, 2008 at 6:53 PM
My posts was more in favor of letting people transfer would be public school monies, to a private school of the parents choice, thus making private education more affordable or even totally covering the expenses of the education in some cases.
This would help in two ways, it would reduce the size of the public schools and make class sizes smaller, would create more, “Private Schools” that can compete for students based on education, sports, excellence, etc.. while still leaving the public schools around as an alternative, and NOT with the overflowing class sizes. Reward Success.
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM
If the parents and the teachers are educated, they should qualify to teach the children. I don’t have much confidence in either.
Yes, I understand the constitutional right part.
Entelechy on March 6, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Three of the reasons I moved my family out of California:
1. The California Public School System
2. California State Government
3. California Court System
Zaire67 on March 6, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Actually, totally believe you!
Branch Rickey on March 6, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Ed, I don’t mean to be difficult, but it’s actually Gabriel Malor’s argument.
amerpundit on March 6, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Hey, it gets worse over there in CA! Via Charles:
Note to CA homeschooling parents: pack your bags and move out of there!
newton on March 6, 2008 at 7:06 PM
And Liberals still refuse to see themselves as Socialistic, State-centered, control freaks.
Montana on March 6, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Just don’t have the Boy Scouts there!
Branch Rickey on March 6, 2008 at 7:08 PM
A futile breath!
Liberty is dead.
mksmithwriter on March 6, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Pretty much know; just frustrated….
Branch Rickey on March 6, 2008 at 7:19 PM
And that would be different from public schools how, exactly?
Merovign on March 6, 2008 at 7:20 PM
They weren’t teaching their kids Spanish.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 6, 2008 at 7:22 PM
And that would be different from public schools how, exactly?
But they have certificates and stuff, and go to meetings and lunches, and conferences, and meetings, and junkets, and just know a lot of stuff.
Liberal fascism…yep.
benrand on March 6, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Awesome!
Branch Rickey on March 6, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Senor Juan Hennessey McCain will fix that?
Branch Rickey on March 6, 2008 at 7:26 PM
They weren’t including W’s war crimes in the history lessons.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM
I’ve taken some pedagogy classes myself, in a fit of folly I still don’t understand. Pedagogy is the laughing-stock of Academe and attracts the stupidest of students.
I took classes in teaching writing and the writing I read from teachers of writing is about the worst I’ve seen in my life.
Tzetzes on March 6, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Tell you what… let’s give California to Israel. They can give the Middle East the kosher finger and have all 163,000 square miles of this useless God-foresaken state. Oceanfront property, great wine country… who could resist such a bahgain?
cannonball on March 6, 2008 at 7:38 PM
And we pay these people.
Johan Klaus on March 6, 2008 at 7:45 PM
Already posted this at other thread, but:
The government has proven millions and millions of times that they are unqualified to teach children.
Multiple generations have passed through the same failed government school systems and come out unprepared for adult life. Illiterate, poorly-spoken, uneducated in the basics of math, history, science and civics. Multiple generations have been locked in poverty by these failed schools. Millions of wonderful little minds have been squandered by an obviously broken government school system.
But a child’s parents who are entrusted with feeding, clothing and housing him are judged untrustworthy to educate the child better than the government?
This is garbage. This is tyranny. This has got to stop.
29Victor on March 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM
By the way…Who gave the government the right to force an education on our kids? Why do they have the right to take our kids out of our home and put them in their schools?
29Victor on March 6, 2008 at 7:49 PM
You may think the children you conceived and birthed are yours, but actually they’re owned by the state.
Progressivism = The New Stalinism
petefrt on March 6, 2008 at 7:59 PM
Sex education didn’t include whips and chains.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 6, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Chakra Hammer on March 6, 2008 at 6:54 PM
As it SHOULD BE! But it will never be allowed because the public schools will lose control of our kids!
allrsn on March 6, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Spot on.
I’m a future teacher, observed a class tuesday and another today. Teacher today said the idea is to teach kids about the world, it’s a global environment, not just lil’ ol’ America.
History book in two core History classes at my college were basically diatribes, against America, repeatedly bringing up the fact “certainly, equality is not available to everyone.”
The school I’m observing, they have an ID on everyone rule. A few teachers have chosen to try to enforce it without the help of the policy makers who implemented (probably to look like they were trying to address security issues).
Enforcement is a joke. Some teachers don’t bother. The good ones try to develop relationships, try to help the ones that can see a little light ahead.
Mostly minorities. Over 2000 kids in a school built for 900! Some classes have close to 30 kids per teacher.
It’s like spittin’ in the wind.
This small Texas city has two high schools, both old and overcrowded. No plans to build another.
Just built a new elementary that opened this year and is already at or near capacity.
Yeah, some bad teachers out there. But it’s the parents, in my opinion. And a government pushing an agenda (from both ends) that is meant to make future Americans dumber than they already are.
For power.
Dudes –
Liberty is dead. Ka-sa-ra-sa-ra – what will be will be.
mksmithwriter on March 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM
The GOVERNMENT doesn’t have a Constitutional right to forcibly indoctrinate children on the virtues of homosexuality, like they do ad infinitum in CA.
jgapinoy on March 6, 2008 at 8:22 PM
“they aren’t your children they are the state’s children”.
mikeyboss on March 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM
You may think the children you conceived and birthed are yours, but actually they’re owned by the state.
Progressivism = The New Stalinism
petefrt on March 6, 2008 at 7:59 PM
That reminds me that when I was in jr hi (maybe 1964 or so) one of my teachers said somthing like ’some people think that in the future government will raise all children from birth’. He/She was opposed to this idea.
allrsn on March 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM
A very, very smart thing for any home school family to do. We did the same in Texas, even though Texas is considered the most home school friendly state in the union.
Better safe than sorry.
labrat on March 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Public schools are a failure. People need alternatives, be it home school, private etc.
The government monopoly on education is resulting stupid kids folks. I know, I went to public skool!
tx2654 on March 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Ed, thank you so much for getting this information out:
INC on March 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Please see what Ed said above.
INC on March 6, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Absolutely the only way we will get this nation back on course is for parents to realize they are the ones in charge of their children’s education.
The stranglehold that the Left has on education has to be broken.
INC on March 6, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I encourage homeschoolers and those who would see this struck down to donate to the homeschool legal defense association HSLDA
TexasDan on March 6, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I remember my parents fighting the School Choice / portable $ battle when I was but 10. I’m now 38. My son is only 4, and still I hope one day his children may gain the opportunity.
thirtypundit on March 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Wow Uncle Jed. My wife has been home schooling our two children, who consistently perform above average on state required exams, by the way, for eleven years now. And you…
labrat on March 6, 2008 at 11:01 PM
As far as I am concerned, it is less about the academics than the freedom to educate my children how I choose.
They are my children. They do not belong to the state.
Beware of any politician using the phrase “our children”.
labrat on March 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Can someone please point me to the Article of the
constitution that refers to education?
spike on March 7, 2008 at 12:28 AM
I homeschooled here in Calif. for eight years. My kids were way ahead. They went from home schooling to private school. There really are no other choices here in California.
Rose on March 7, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Clearly, people have a right to homeschool their kids if they choose to. At the same time, it can’t be the solution to the problem with public schools. Most families can’t adequately homeschool. Who can afford to spend all those countless hours instructing their
pricksbeautiful children?Public school system needs to be taken back from the unions. At least principals should be able to fire teachers. That way it would actually make some sense to ask a principal to deliver results.
freevillage on March 7, 2008 at 2:22 AM
The right of parents to direct the education of their children falls in with the other parental rights. These rights are fundamental and implied, and mostly granted by the due process clause of the 14th amendment.
You won’t see them explicitly granted in the constitution. That’s probably got something to do with the fact that public school didn’t exist when the constitution was written and most, if not all, of the founding fathers were homeschooled.
frost on March 7, 2008 at 2:29 AM
I live in SoCal and there are lots of home schooling programs run by the school districts. The school districts supply the curriculum and do testing, but the parents do the teaching. It works really well and uses the tax dollars to provide materials and books.
I think this case is about home schooling without being under a state certified home schooling organization. I know people very in the know about education here in California, so let me know if there is some question I can get an answer for.
Snidely Whiplash on March 7, 2008 at 2:40 AM
It is very clear most of you dont have a clue about homeschooling. For starters if you can find the time try reading Dumbing Us Down by John Gatto . A former NYC teacher.
Everyone complains about education, But what do you do about it. You expect the state to fix it. It is someone else job. Most Homeschoolers have done just that. They have done something. They have taken on the responsibility to teach their kids not throw them to the state for baby sitters and while your there learn something it does matter what. while I go live my life. Who knows better, YOU,or the state. how to raise your kids. If you said the state wrong. Look at what kids know today, there manners or lack of them, their disrespect in general. Their lack of general knowledge. You can blame the parents to point, the rest of time they were in school. If you are against look at the reasons why. It took my wife a long time to convince me to do so. I had to do alot of reading and digging to get rid of the ideas i had. My kids are way ahead. No we dont have money just making it. You do what you have for your kids and trust in God.
against it. Plus what beats one on one for teaching.
tengger on March 7, 2008 at 2:52 AM
Plus lots of parents dual enroll their kids in college during their high school years. They dont get the credit hrs but they do get the education. That looks great on a college app. How many public school kids do that? not many.
tengger on March 7, 2008 at 3:01 AM
Someone (the American Enterprise Institute?) had a high-school grade history and civics test online. They gave this test to students in many schools, and only a few schools had a majority of passing grades.
I submit that this is evidence that government-hired teachers in government-run schools are, as a class, not qualified to teach our children.
Oh yes, I missed two questions out of a hundred, and had to guess (right) at three more.
njcommuter on March 7, 2008 at 7:29 AM
Yeah, I’m waiting for the courts to just say they have no constitutional right to marry, to have children, to walk the streets and eventually to breath.
JellyToast on March 7, 2008 at 7:36 AM
The establishment does not like to be shown that they cannot reeducate the children.
Before the establishment of the establishment people educated their children at home. Dad worked the field or mines, Mom nurtured the kids which included the original concept of home schooling where Mom knows best.
When Mom had to work when Daddy had to fight to keep the country free the community took over neutering the kids. When the battle was over, the status quo did not return, because those selected to temporarily educated our children did want to give up.
Again, now that homeschooling is showing public education was never a suitable substitute for the natural rule of nature, that mothers are the best to nurture their children to success. The substitute teachers felt empowered to be the only ones qualified to teach but could not face reality that their job was temporary, and mother nature had established the perfect model which should not be fiddled with-least there be serious consequences.
MSGTAS on March 7, 2008 at 8:47 AM
Regardless of how the ruling was misread, what concerns me most is that we have yet more evidence of judges that believe that we derive our rights from the constitution – “no constitutional right to homeschool” – ie. that if the constitution doesn’t grant us permission to do something, we cannot do it, or the government is free to regulate it.
What the hell happened to this country? It’s like I moved here and everyone has devolved into goddamn cretins incapable of understanding their own country. WTF?
LimeyGeek on March 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM
We home school our three children in AZ. Mrs Redneck teaches the kids, I am the principal and an additional teacher.
We chose to home school because:
1) We believe it to be our responsibility to educate our kids, not the state.
2) The state holds fundamental beliefs different from ours.
3) The state does not hold the same values as our family.
4) Our kids will not be handed over to strangers.
5) Our kids will not be educated in a gun free zone.
6) Our kids will not be denied the right to free speech.
Thankfully, all my children have never seen the inside of a public school. My kids
- don’t care about the brand of clothes or shoes they wear.
- don’t care about celebrities.
- redo their work until they receive a B (85% or better).
- use the Bible as part of their curriculum.
- receive gun saftey training.
- actually ask to go to the library and read every book cover to cover.
- raise money (their own idea) to support a local pregnancy center.
- are excelling in all subjects
- love their teachers
- enjoy school
It’s time to take public money out of the schools and abolish the Dept of Education.
AZ_Redneck on March 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I am saluting you right now buddy ;)
LimeyGeek on March 7, 2008 at 10:21 AM
This is not well known, but compulsory public schooling began in the mid 1800’s, with the intent to brainwash children into accepting the state’s authority over that of God and family. Horace Mann, the first secretary of the Massachusetts Board of Education, stated, “What the church has been for medieval man the public school must become for democratic and rational man. God will be replaced by the concept of the public good…The common schools…shall create a more far-seeing intelligence and a pure morality than has ever existed among communities of men.” (The Messianic Character of Education, Rousas J. Rushdoony, 1968)
This is only one of many similar opinions held by the state at the inception of forced institutionalized “education”. It would seem that this mentality has not changed. God places children in families, to be raised by their parents! The state has no business trying to take His prerogative, and make it their own. Men are not God!
mytwocents on March 7, 2008 at 10:32 AM
No.
What was misuderstood was the LA Times not anticipating the backlash their biased reporting of this will have.
It makes the LA Times look stupid, makes the judge look foolish, and further justifies the view that the government is trying to dictate how parents raise and educate their children.
Lawrence on March 7, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Oh… and, my kids go to a very good private parochial school of ‘MY’ choice. Not a government school of a politician’s or judge’s choice.
Lawrence on March 7, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Another excellent book to read is the Underground History of American Education, also by John Taylor Gatto.
Schools do not educate; they indoctrinate. A child is taught what to think, not HOW to think, a child is taken from his home early in the morning (6:30, 7:00 a.m) and not returned until late afternoon (3:00, 4:00, later) they are kept in sterile environment where they have to ask permission to go to the bathroom, and are frequently denied permission!! there is no talking, no SOCIALIZING (a huge question homeschoolers get – ‘but what about socializing? School is far less conducive to socializing than homeschooling, where my kids can talk to anyone and everyone, not just their age bracket, their education level) The evenings are taken over by that insidious little thing known as Homework. Parents do play an important role in how children turn out, but how can they do their job when their children are forcibly removed, taught to not trust their instincts, taught to taught themselves, taught that there are no losers or winners, that accomplishments mean nothing, that no matter what you do, you are just a number, a cog in the system. It breaks the soul. And liberalism is explained. :o)
Blight on March 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM
What really kills me is all this fuss about ‘credentialed’ teachers. I happen to live in CA and know that about forty percent, yes thats FORTY percent, of the people teaching in CA public schools are NOT credentialed. There are a whole lot of substitute teachers who have very little experience or education and cannot even pass the teachers exams but they are teaching because CA public schools are flooded with illegals kids and they have to put someone in the room. So they wave the credential by making them temporary substitute teachers but they stay teaching for years like that. If the court ruling stands, I would push a lawsuit to get uncredentialed teachers out of public schools. Believe me, this is where a lot of the problem is to begin with.
Bikerken on March 7, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Look at the elitist standing up for the elitist judge. Yep, all citizens who don’t work for the government are a bunch of rednecked rubes with snaggle teeth.
Disgusting arrogance.
fossten on March 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
The public school experiment in America has been an abysmal failure. It’s far past time to dump it. Why would anyone be surprised that things ran by the government soon becomes corrupt and dangerous ? America had the finest schools in the world prior to public schools, now the public schools are not places of learning but are instead physically dangerous places of mundane indoctrination.
Public education has had it’s chance, it failed miserably and the monetarily cost has been huge, but the cost in terms of damage to our children has been much higher. We now have at least two generations of American children that have tragically inferior educations.
The only solution is to get government out of education all-together. The public school buildings need to be sold to the highest bidders and private intuitions need to take over once again. The Department of Education must be disbanded and Congress must pass legislation that forbids government from meddling in the affairs of the private educators. The governments involvement has caused a great disaster and a crisis in American education, it must stop NOW !
Maxx on March 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM
So I am wondering,,, what would Christians do if some court ruled they had no right to breath? Hold their breath while they appeal to the Supreme Court?
JellyToast on March 7, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Gabriel is all wet. His argument seems to be that the decision is no big deal because families can file a “private school affidavit” that the state is under no obligation to accept. That’s basically equivalent to saying DC’s handgun ban is no big deal since anyone who wants to own a gun there just has to become a cop. That said, I tend to agree with the decision itself, as it strikes me more as a straightforward application of a bad law, not a tortured reading of an otherwise good one. The question is whether there are enough sane people left in California to change it.
Xrlq on March 8, 2008 at 10:42 AM
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