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Hillary picking up the mo? Or just enough to get cocky?

posted at 7:35 pm on March 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Two major pollsters show Hillary Clinton moving back into a national lead over Barack Obama following her big wins yesterday in Texas and Ohio. Gallup has Hillary in front by four, and Rasmussen’s daily poll has her leading for the first time in three weeks, 48-43. It also has some good news for Republican nominee John McCain after his success in clinching his spot last night:

Prior to the past three days, Clinton had trailed Obama every single day for three weeks (see recent daily results). Clinton has regained a solid lead (twelve percentage points) among women nationwide. That margin that expands to twenty points among white women. Yesterday’s victories for Clinton mean there is a growing likelihood that the campaign could stretch on in to the summer without a winner. Rasmussen Reports will be polling the Democratic Primary Race in Mississippi, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and other states this week. …

Looking to the general election, John McCain has a slight lead over both Democrats. McCain now leads Obama 48% to 43% and Clinton 46% to 45% (see recent daily results). A Rasmussen Reports video suggests that the Clinton victories in Texas and Ohio are good news for John McCain. In Washington State, McCain leads Clinton and is essentially even with Obama.

McCain leads Hillary in Washington? The northwestern state is usually considered a safe haven for Democrats, even in presidential elections. John Kerry won Washington easily in 2004, 53%-46, while Patty Murray coasted to a 12-point re-election victory over her GOP challenger. Just being even with Obama at this point would have been an accomplishment, and shows that McCain may present a more formidable challenge than either candidate anticipates.

Earlier, Hillary claimed that her campaign turned a corner, and suggested that Obama might join her as the VP:

In an interview on CNN Wednesday morning, Mrs. Clinton said she was not deterred by Mr. Obama’s continued lead in elected delegate support, and argued that she would be the stronger candidate in a general election against the now-assured Republican candidate, Senator John McCain. “What’s important is that this campaign has turned a corner,” she said. …

In another televised interview, Mrs. Clinton said her close race with Mr. Obama might result in a shared ticket. Speaking on CBS’s Early Show, she said, “Well, that may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket.” She said her victory in Ohio indicated that the choice should be her.

That’s rather bold for someone who lost ten states in a row and went just about 0 for February. Still, Texas and Ohio Democrats had an opportunity to put her away, but they kept her campaign alive instead. They didn’t do enough to change the math, however, and it seems very unlikely that Obama will lose his lead in pledged delegates before the Denver convention.

Hillary will argue that Obama proved himself a weaker candidate in the crucible of real pressure, and that he needs seasoning. She will appeal to the party establishment — the superdelegates — to vote overwhelmingly for her and to have Obama on the ticket, under the tutelage of the Clintons, in preparation for his own presidency in 2016. Undoubtedly some will find that compelling, especially if the Tony Rezko trial offers any embarrassing revelations about Obama’s relationship with the fixer.

However, don’t expect Obama to go along with that scenario. If he goes into Denver with a lead, he will expect the nomination. Anything less than that would require him to endorse a back-room maneuver that he has made the antithesis of his campaign. He simply cannot survive politically with his coalition intact with that humiliation.

If Obama doesn’t get the nomination, don’t expect him on the bottom of the ticket — and don’t expect his backers to endorse unity, either. Expect a meltdown.


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But Hillary already has a…. Oh, you said “cocky”. Never mind.

Master Shake on March 5, 2008 at 7:39 PM

Vote for Obama !

Change

Vote for Hillary

Change

Voe again for Obama !

Change

ANd they wonder why they cant keep frontrunners when your entire political belief is based on what is hot at the momment

William Amos on March 5, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Here it comes! McCain/Obama fusion ticket! (dodges rotten fruit)

Mike Antonucci on March 5, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Barack Obama won Texas when you count total delegates won yesterday in the primary and caucus.

And you are right Ed, there will be a total meltdown in Denver if Obama leads in the delegate count (which he will by at least 100) and the nomination is taken away from him.

olympian2008 on March 5, 2008 at 7:46 PM

If Obama doesn’t get the nomination, don’t expect him on the bottom of the ticket — and don’t expect his backers to endorse unity, either. Expect a meltdown.

Ahhh, sweet bliss.

a capella on March 5, 2008 at 7:46 PM

She’s acting like a world-class idiot.

I was thinking we had done a bad thing last night – I’ll admit it, I was scared.

But not anymore.

Just give her enough rope…

Dorvillian on March 5, 2008 at 7:46 PM

I honestly believe I’m having more fun this election season than I’ve ever had before. Oh, I hope the Dums do repeat ‘68. I remember that summer, and look forward to a rerun.

sondiehl on March 5, 2008 at 7:47 PM

I Doubt Hillary knows much about…… You Know!

*toggle Beavis and Butthead laughter here*

WayWard Fundamentalist Christian on March 5, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Just enough to restore her arrogance and continue her delusion of actually winning (which is right where I want her). She can’t win without stealing at the convention (she needs to win more than 60% of the remaining delegates which requires her to win more than 60% of the remaining popular vote) it in the eyes of the Obama supporters and that would split the Democrat coalition for maybe a generation.

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 7:49 PM

McCain leads Hillary in Washington?

Reporting from WA. Umm, no – that poll is BS

noodle on March 5, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Obama, meet Vince Foster.

Cicero43 on March 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I saw a post on DU yesterday describing their Primary Wars as, “Lord of the Flies, without the literary flair.” It’s quite vicious there.

After the last primary and with no Democrat nominee, McCain should start running commercials asking how the Democrats expect to run the country when they can’t even run their party.

rw on March 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM

And to think McCain is beating them both WITHOUT anyone even exposing Obama’s or Hillary’s true colors.

I Juan picks a great VP it might not matter if the Dems have the Dream Team.

Vigilante on March 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM

You go girl.

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM

No matter how much she wants to prop herself up and strut around like a peacock with her tail feathers unfurled, as far as the heads of the DNC are concerned, she’s damaged goods. Even if she makes it to Denver in August, she is going to wind up embarrasing herself, maybe even make a public fool of herself, while B.O. will walk away with the nomination. And if she and Bubba Billy try to steal the nomination, they will end up with a fractured party, major division, virtually no support from any major endorsements, and a smiling McPain who can’t wait for November to come.

pilamaye on March 5, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Hillary will argue that Obama proved himself a weaker candidate in the crucible of real pressure, and that he needs seasoning. She will appeal to the party establishment — the superdelegates — to vote overwhelmingly for her and to have Obama on the ticket, under the tutelage of the Clintons, in preparation for his own presidency in 2016. Undoubtedly some will find that compelling, especially if the Tony Rezko trial offers any embarrassing revelations about Obama’s relationship with the fixer.

let me be real blunt. If Hillary Clinton walks out of the convention the nominee the Obama supports, especially the African-American community, will go ballistic. They are already predisposed to believe they are being screwed by the man. The Democrats have reinforced that notion for decades. now if the Democratic establishment snatches this election from Obama even though he walks into the convention leading in delegates, the whole fallacy that the Democrats are the best hope of the black community is shattered in a million pieces. It will fracture the Democratic coalition because they simply will not stand by and have their hopes and dreams of finally arriving in America stolen from them.

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 7:58 PM

And you are right Ed, there will be a total meltdown in Denver if Obama leads in the delegate count (which he will by at least 100) and the nomination is taken away from him.

olympian2008 on March 5, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Yes, in all likelihood, The HildaBeast can only get the dim nom if she does it by getting most of the anti-democratic Royalist delegates or she finagles a rewrite of the rules in the second half of the “game”.

This may get interesting, seeing which of the two major parties can win by doing a total meltdown the least.

MB4 on March 5, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Jay Severin on WTKK in Boston (who is so tendentious I generally can’t stand him, but he does know his politics) suggests that since neither candidate is likely to acquire enough voted delegates to win the nomination, the decision will have to be up to the ’super-delegates’.

Since this is already obvious, he argues, and since the ‘party elders’ (who make up the bulk of the super-delegates) know that the longer the deadlock goes on the more they risk a party debacle—maybe even riots in the streets if Obambi leads up to the convention, but they award the nomination to Missus Slick—the likelihood is that the party elders will arrange a deal soon.

What kind of deal? Most likely, says Jay: They go to Obambi and say, “You’re young; take the VP slot, and you’ll be the heir apparent in 2016.” Would the Obamessiah take such a deal? Maybe if he gets bloodied a bit in Chicago this month.

The other option, to offer the VP slot to the Slicks is, to my mind, unlikely to fly, as Mrs. Slick is determined to resurrect the Clinton dynasty, and will not be gainsaid.

And don’t rule out the Slicks, says Jay. They still have an army of ‘opposition research’ weasels, and if they find the right kind of dirt on Obambi, he might be convinced to throw the match. Impossible? I don’t know, but Jay’s right on one point: If the Slicks, or the party elders, or both, wait too long, the Dems are in for real trouble at the convention.

Which would of course leave John McCain licking his chops. We can only hope.

MrLynn on March 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM

…it might not matter if the Dems have the Dream Team Nightmare Twins.

Mommy, I’m scared of the dark.

Oops, now I’m a racist I guess.

fogw on March 5, 2008 at 8:04 PM

She can’t win without stealing at the convention (she needs to win more than 60% of the remaining delegates which requires her to win more than 60% of the remaining popular vote) it in the eyes of the Obama supporters and that would split the Democrat coalition for maybe a generation.

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Mark my words-she will steal it at the convention. Anyone have any Jiffy-Pop?

Del Dolemonte on March 5, 2008 at 8:06 PM

MrLynn on March 5, 2008 at 8:03 PM

At which point Obama gives them the middle finger and tells them, “if you want riots in the streets, steal this from me.”

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Mark my words-she will steal it at the convention. Anyone have any Jiffy-Pop?

Del Dolemonte on March 5, 2008 at 8:06 PM

Let’s hope. That’s my perfect storm.

Dick Morris just said on O’Reilly, that scenario, “would make 1968 look like a picnic and destroy any hopes of winning.”

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 8:08 PM

Keep beatin’ up each other!

Do McCain’s grunt work!

Whack on!

profitsbeard on March 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM

If Obama doesn’t get the nomination, don’t expect him on the bottom of the ticket — and don’t expect his backers to endorse unity, either. Expect a meltdown.

I expect rioting a-la-Rodney King at the behest of Michelle Obama.

NTWR on March 5, 2008 at 8:12 PM

Lanny Davis admits on O’Reilly Clinton would need the Supers.

O’Reilly, “Lanny, you’re going to have Al Sharpton and all the civil rights advocates outside of that convention.”

Lanny, “I went through 68, it wasn’t fun.”

The storm approaches….

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM

I can’t stand Dick Morris.

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM

IMO, Hillary is posturing for the guaranteed VP slot. She will demand enough autonomy and independence so that she can run again in 2012.

ninjapirate on March 5, 2008 at 8:38 PM

I. Smell. Fish.

Dunno why. Something just ain’t right. Penetta and Ferraro vs Bradley and Jackson on PBS. Something just seems too ‘pat’. It was almost like they had their little debate scripted. I’m probably way off base but still it just all struck me as put-up.

Anyone else see it this evening? The only animated one was Ferraro. Jackson was downright gentlemanly.

Limerick on March 5, 2008 at 8:39 PM

January 24, 2007 · There are 25 members on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and they wield a lot of power. Every major military appointment or confirmation has to pass through them.

One of the best ways for a military commander to ingratiate himself with these senators is to admit mistakes in Iraq.

So as the soon-to-be top ground commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, met Senators Tuesday, he told them the situation in Iraq is “dire.”

The hearing — required as Petraeus is confirmed for a job that will give him a fourth star, making him one of the Army’s most senior officers — was really a sort of dance as various senators sought to make their own points about the conflict in Iraq.

“General Petraeus, you have said serious mistakes were made in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003?” asked Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT).

“That’s correct,” Petraeus said.

Lieberman pressed on: “And you’ve said you understand and appreciate the disappoinment of the American people?”

“That is correct, sir,” came the reply.

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), used his time to make some of his points in a round-about fashion.

“Suppose we send you over to your new job, general, only we tell you you can’t have additional troops,” said McCain. “Can you get your job done?”

“No sir,” Petraeus said.

“Suppose that we send you additional troops and we tell those troops that we support you, but we are convinced you cannot accomplish your mission. What effect would that have on your troops?” asked McCain.

“Well, it would not be a beneficial one, sir,” Petraeus said.

And some senators weren’t interested in asking questions at all.

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) used her eight minutes to rail against sending more troops to Iraq.

“And I disapprove of the policy, I think it’s a dead end,” she said. “But if we’re gonna do it, let’s make sure we give these young men and women everything when we’re not doing the political equiation to match for their safety and success.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6994652

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 8:39 PM

It will fracture the Democratic coalition because they simply will not stand by and have their hopes and dreams of finally arriving in America stolen from them.

TheBigOldDog on March 5, 2008 at 7:58 PM

The storm approaches….

It’s quite clear the Dem leadership—-Howie & his “super-delegate team” (who have to be shaking in their boots) are wondering how their vetting process could have turned out to be such a nightmare. One wrong move with Obama leading in any category will send memories of 1968 streaming down their spines. How much Hill and Bill are willing to fracture their party for another shot will make for some serious drama……

Rovin on March 5, 2008 at 8:48 PM

Limerick, I’m fearful of the Clinton/Obama ticket. Hopefully Obama will listen to Axelrod and the other guys who want him to go hard negative.

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 8:49 PM

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 8:49 PM

I just can’t (or won’t) grab onto the Denver train wreck theory yet. It is tempting, and all that, but are they really that stupid?

I know, I know, everyone will say ‘you bet they are’. Like I said, something just seems out of place here. We think we pulled a string. I’m wondering if it is really the other way around.

Limerick on March 5, 2008 at 8:55 PM

as capt stated:

“However, don’t expect Obama to go along with that scenario. If he goes into Denver with a lead, he will expect the nomination. Anything less than that would require him to endorse a back-room maneuver that he has made the antithesis of his campaign. He simply cannot survive politically with his coalition intact with that humiliation.
If Obama doesn’t get the nomination, don’t expect him on the bottom of the ticket — and don’t expect his backers to endorse unity, either. Expect a meltdown.”

I hope you are right but I’m not getting my hopes up.

If Hillary and Obama get to the convention with Obama maintaining his narrow lead I think she gets the nomination and the powers that be bring all the pressure they can to get Obama to accept the VP slot despite how ugly the campaign may have been. If his raw political power cravings exceed his ethics he will take the job. McCain may find that ticket to hard to overcome. The demographics would be in the Dems favor.

Had Hillary lost Texas last night her staying in the race would have been meaningless. Obama would never have picked her as VP. He claims to be running on change. I certainly hope it wasn’t repubs that kept her in this race. You must always kill Dracula at the earliest opportunity!

McCain could possibly beat each of them alone but together its near impossible. McCain’s VP choice had better appeal to independents if he is to have any chance.

patrick neid on March 5, 2008 at 9:02 PM

If Obama doesn’t get the nomination, don’t expect him on the bottom of the ticket — and don’t expect his backers to endorse unity, either. Expect a meltdown.

Wish you were right, but I think he’ll take the VP slot. Unlike Hillary, he has plenty of time, and it would solidify him as the party leader of the future.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on March 5, 2008 at 9:08 PM

Unfortunately, I agree with Atilla. If the VP job is offered to Obama he’ll take it.

He’d be a fool to refuse. So either he needs to get real ugly so the Clintons would never want him around, or Hillary needs to get even uglier so the Obama supporters won’t but it if he accepts the offer.

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Jack Tapper thinks it will go to convention.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/this-thing-will.html

ninjapirate on March 5, 2008 at 9:15 PM

There is no chance McCain wins Washington. Zero.

Three words: “Boeing; tanker deal.”

e-pirate on March 5, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Unfortunately, I agree with Atilla. If the VP job is offered to Obama he’ll take it.

But how does he accept this position when he will still be leading in the delegate count? Yours and Atilla’s, repectfully, have to assume that Hillary will have a some sort of a lead that does not conflict with Obama’s constituents—followers.

I like what John Kassick just said: “It will be like a firing squad in a circle.”

Rovin on March 5, 2008 at 9:26 PM

e-pirate, hey, he definitely takes Alabama though.

Welcome Airbus! Mobile loves ya!

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 9:27 PM

I’d guess the ELF freaks don’t much care for Boeing, but they are not gonna leave Obama.

When was the last time a GOP candidate took WA anyway? 1984?

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 9:28 PM

The fur will be flying in Denver at the Convention.

Like the man said, “Pass the popcorn.

It oughta be Pay Per View. Chicago 68 will look like
a church picnic by comparison!

old trooper on March 5, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Mommy, I’m scared of the dark.

Oops, now I’m a racist I guess.

Oh man, that was bad. But quite funny.

WayWard Fundamentalist Christian on March 5, 2008 at 9:54 PM

Last night was just the deep breath before the plunge.

This is gonna be fun.

Nessuno on March 5, 2008 at 9:57 PM

let me be real blunt. If Hillary Clinton walks out of the convention the nominee the Obama supports, especially the African-American community, will go ballistic.

That would be true, if nothing changed between now and the end of the Summer, or if the convention was next week. But this thing has months still to play out. If Barack tanks in the polls, his supporters will begin to turn on him, and if his supporters turn on him, he will tank in the polls. If he adds another week or two that are as bad for him as the last couple, if he panics just a little, makes some new mistakes, has to endure further or re-extended revelations, employs poorly received tactics, etc. – then the mob will destroy him even more quickly than they built him up. That’s how these things work. It could get easy for the Super-Ds to take it away from Hillary if they need to, but even the seemingly impossible math could start working.

CK MacLeod on March 5, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Excuse me – should have said, “It could get easy for the Super-Ds to take it away from him.”

CK MacLeod on March 5, 2008 at 10:03 PM

Yes, Meltdown indeed.

I think McCain has it in the bag, unless he gets cocky…

Clinton gets the nom, Obama supporters stay home, or vote Nader. Obama gets the nom – Hillary people vote for McCain or Nader.

reaganaut on March 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM

You all (or many of you) are assuming it’s going to go the convention. The point Severin was making is that if it’s virtually certain that the super-delegates will make the final decision, they will have to make it long before the convention, or risk chaos. If he’s right, Pennsylvania will be the last primary—unless Obambi refuses to take the number two spot.

MrLynn on March 5, 2008 at 10:17 PM

There are nearly 800 Super-Ds, MrLynn, and I don’t believe that their votes are official until they’re cast. Unless one of the two candidates gives up or is effectively disqualified (by disastrous performances, disastrous polls, disastrous scandals, etc.), then who or what’s going to bring them together? Chaos sooner, chaos later, or chaos both sooner and later are the only alternatives barring some decisive event or series of events.

The only question is how much of a formality the actual balloting will be.

CK MacLeod on March 5, 2008 at 10:28 PM

MrLynn on March 5, 2008 at 10:17 PM

So the Michigan/Florida delegate card doesn’t get played? Resolve it before then? It does make sense, but how much enthusiasm is the ticket going to lose from ticked off Obama groupies if he has to play second fiddle? He’s a young guy, sure, but we’ve got Bobby Jindal warning up in the bullpen, and Obama is a smart guy, he knows going up against Jindal would be trouble.

a capella on March 5, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I hope Hillary steals it from him one way or another. Resentful black voters might stay home in November.

NNtrancer on March 5, 2008 at 10:56 PM

Over on the DrudgeReport they are talking about a do-over in FL and MI. What happens if Hillary doesn’t win those states in the do-over? Then does she walk? What if she wins them again? Then we are back here again having this conversation about the volcanic eruption in Denver.

cjs1943 on March 5, 2008 at 11:13 PM

There are nearly 800 Super-Ds, MrLynn, and I don’t believe that their votes are official until they’re cast. Unless one of the two candidates gives up or is effectively disqualified (by disastrous performances, disastrous polls, disastrous scandals, etc.), then who or what’s going to bring them together? Chaos sooner, chaos later, or chaos both sooner and later are the only alternatives barring some decisive event or series of events.

The only question is how much of a formality the actual balloting will be.

CK MacLeod on March 5, 2008 at 10:28 PM

That’s a valid critique of Severin’s theory. I think he was saying that a subset of the super-delegates, which he calls the ‘party elders’, will be forced to step in and negotiate a deal, which would result in one candidate dropping out in return for the second spot on the ticket.

Given the strong possibility of a ‘meltdown’ if the two candidates continued battling, more or less evenly, until the convention, I would not be surprised to see something like this happen. If the Democrat party elders decide that it would be intolerable to proceed without a deal, surely they will make the attempt.

MrLynn on March 5, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Yes, Meltdown indeed.

I think McCain has it in the bag, unless he gets cocky…

Clinton gets the nom, Obama supporters stay home, or vote Nader. Obama gets the nom – Hillary people vote for McCain or Nader.

reaganaut on March 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Don’t get me wrong, I really, really hope you are right. I’m still worried though.

funky chicken on March 5, 2008 at 11:18 PM

I don’t see Barry taking the VP slot. His supporters would not be happy with a back room deal that keeps him down.

It would be considered a slap in the face, they would turn on him and the party. No VP for Barry.

Obviously she would never take VP – her ego wouldn’t allow it and neither would Michelle.

I am reading rumors that many super delegates are going to go public with an Obama endorsement. That would make Hillary’s continued efforts to hurt the party moot, keep the black vote, and prevent those riots that everyone seems so interested in watching.

Dorvillian on March 6, 2008 at 12:00 AM

If Obama doesn’t get the nomination, don’t expect him on the bottom of the ticket — and don’t expect his backers to endorse unity, either. Expect a meltdown.

I’m hopin’ and wishin’ and prayin’.

SouthernGent on March 6, 2008 at 12:04 AM

And by the way…the democrat party has NO ONE to blame but themselves for refusing to make a WINNER of a primary, uhm, the WINNER!

SouthernGent on March 6, 2008 at 12:06 AM

In another televised interview, Mrs. Clinton said her close race with Mr. Obama might result in a shared ticket. Speaking on CBS’s Early Show, she said, “Well, that may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of the ticket.”

So, how do you decide who is on top and who is on the bottom………..of the ticket?

evenkeel on March 6, 2008 at 1:51 AM

Bambi is working the superdelegates all right – bank on it. However, the Clinton Machine had 8 long years of power to extend their reach. The nutroots aren’t nearly as deep as the Clintroots© when it comes to calling in markers.

rhodeymark on March 6, 2008 at 8:47 AM

I was very young in 1968, but I think it’s the wrong year to be thinking about. It seems to me that this election will look like 1972 or 1984. The Dems are on their way to having such a complete meltdown that they may not even finish in second place when the electoral votes are counted.

Al in St. Lou on March 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM

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