Getting nothing but static from Channel DNC
posted at 11:10 am on March 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Democrats unveiled their new spending plan for FY2009, and as expected, they have added billions and billions to a federal budget already straining at the seams. The new budget pushes DC farther into the red, but Democrats claim it will produce a surplus in four years. How? By soaking taxpayers for the difference:
Senate Democrats unveiled a budget plan yesterday that would inject billions of additional dollars into such domestic priorities as education, energy and transportation, while providing $35 billion for a second round of government spending aimed at stimulating a weak economy.
The spending would push the federal deficit to more than $350 billion in fiscal 2009, but Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said the blueprint would erase the deficit within four years, producing a $160 billion surplus in 2013.
To get there, however, Democrats assume all of President Bush’s first-term tax cuts would expire on schedule in 2010, bringing in billions in revenue. But if the most popular tax measures were extended, as the two Democratic presidential candidates have promised, the surplus would all but evaporate, Conrad said.
The Democratic budget also would omit several costly items, including tens of billions of dollars to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like the budget proposed last month by the White House, the Democratic blueprint includes just $70 billion for the fighting in 2009 and nothing thereafter.
Ahem. Let’s see if we have this straight. While Democrats running for President offer tax cuts to the “middle class”, their counterparts in Congress assume that they won’t get put into place while crafting the next budget. That certainly sends a mixed message, somewhat along the lines of Barack Obama’s NAFTA Dance. Congressional Democratic leadership has prepared a budget that won’t work with either the Republican or Democratic nominees.
Also, the revenue assumptions once again come from a static analysis of the Bush tax-cut expirations. It assumes that the revenue stream remains static, that is, that tax policy does not affect the market which produces the incomes on which taxes derive. But we know that to be false; tax policy does impact markets, which impacts incomes and therefore tax revenue. As the government takes more capital out of the market, less remains to generate new business and expansion of existing business, which then shrinks demand for labor. That shrinks demand for goods, and the market return from higher tax rates actually produces less revenue.
That means the underlying assumptions of this budget are entirely false — and that’s before we get to the notion that the war will end in 2009. The expiration of the tax cuts will not produce the revenue that Dorgan and his cohorts assume for the purpose of the budgeting here. The predicted surplus will never arrive, but instead the taxes will put enough of a burden on the economy to push it into recession. That will require even more “stimulus” spending, which means greater federal deficits and more taxation from the “rich” to cover the gap.
George Bush has threatened a veto, but Democrats believe he is bluffing. They claim that the difference between Bush’s budget and their own is only $18 billion. Interestingly, that’s about the same amount of pork that the 110th Congress stuffed into the last budget, and I suspect this one may have even more. If the Democrats want to spend an extra $18 billion, why not cut all of the pork out of this year’s budget to fund it? If they’re not willing to do that, then maybe they can explain why they need to increase our tax burden as their other option.
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Business as usual. No accountability, therefore no restraint. Sorry to say, but until the American taxpayer wakes up and realizes he/she are getting nothing in return for Federal confiscation of their personal property, it will remain the same.
Leonidas Hoplite on March 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Could we fire everyone in Congress? maybe put average Joes in their who know how to budget. You know, the guy or gal making 40K a year and paying for a house and setting up a collge fund for the kids, all the while Not going into incredible debt.
Wyrd on March 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
With a Tax/Spend here!
And a Tax/Spend there!
Here a Tax!
There a Spend!
EVERYWHERE A TAX/SPEND!
Yep, the same old song.
pilamaye on March 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Playing poker with our money-who is bluffing, and who will blink?
Not to be too nasty, but all of you who voted the Dems into power in 2006-welcome to the reality you helped create. Jerks.
Doug on March 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Since our tax code completely ignores the difference between those of us living in high class areas and those who reside in rural areas, any “soak the rich” will actually soak the middle class in high expense areas.
With my family’s income, if we lived in my hometown of Pittsburgh, I’d be upper income. Here in DC (or worse yet, in Manhattan, SF, Chicago, etc.), I’m middle class.
Democrat plans to prop up home prices (they are far too high here as it is and need to come down) and force me to pay higher taxes as if I was rich (I’m not), will be a double whammy.
NoDonkey on March 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM
“I will gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger I can eat today.”
Wimpie circa 1930
geckomon on March 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
More ammo for McCain. Obama is trapped on this one, yes-present-abstain, and Johnny Mac can throw it back in his face.
Limerick on March 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Live for today.
TooTall on March 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Congress has yet to even pass the 2008 Defense bill.
scalleywag on March 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Clinton’s last federal budget – 2001 = $1.9 trillion
Bush’s last federal budget – 2009 = $3.0 trillion
A 57% increase.
I doubt the Dems will do any worse.
Passing our debt on to our children isn’t really fiscal responsibility…it won’t kill the current generation to actually pay for their government services.
alphie on March 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
It’s apparent to me that the Demonrats what to turn back the hands of time to a better day. Problem is….that day is January 20, 1977.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 5, 2008 at 11:35 AM
It’s like watching a shell game, only there’s one shell and no pea.
They aren’t fooling anyone but the fools.
fogw on March 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM
It’s all play money to these morons – they can always get more of it from the ‘eevil rich’ to pay for whatever will get them elected.
Paging David Walker… oh that’s right, he’s left the building.
rockbend on March 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Well, yeah, they can do a lot worse if they try to do it with additional taxes on taxpayers rather than increased tax revenue generated through capital freed up by reduced taxes. There is a world of difference.
a capella on March 5, 2008 at 11:58 AM
I seem to recall economists shifting away from the high tax, defecit spending philosophy in mass, oh, like 50 years ago or so. Why don’t the democrats seem to catch on?
BadgerHawk on March 5, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Well, yeah, that’s what you get with people in Washington DC.
Exit question: Didn’t the Republicans do the same thing when they were in the majority?
WayWard Fundamentalist Christian on March 5, 2008 at 12:00 PM
This is from an e-mail I received a while ago. it is sobering to see what a billion is, in terms easily understood.
“The next time you hear a politician use the word “billion” in a casual
manner, think about whether you want the “politicians” spending YOUR tax
money.
A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency
did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its
releases.
A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.
D. A billion days ago no one walked on the earth on two feet.
E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our
government is spending it.
While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let’s take a look at New
Orleans It’s amazing what you can learn with some simple division.
Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D), is presently asking the Congress for
$250 BILLION to rebuild New Orleans. Interesting number, what does it
mean?
A. Well, if you are one of 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man,
woman, child), you each get $516,528.
B. Or, if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans, your home gets
$1,329,787.
C. Or, if you are a family of four, your family gets $2,066,012.
Washington, D.C. … HELLO!!! … Are all your calculators broken??”
Yikes
Blight on March 5, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Nice, Ed. Who says Obama hasn’t been in the Senate long enough to learn anything?
Jaibones on March 5, 2008 at 12:04 PM
Uh…kind of. But those here and on the left who play both sides on the spending debacle use the GOP’s pigginess to equate the two parties. You can’t.
Yes, we need to gut the Senate of GOP pigs and elect budget hawks. But there is still zero comparison between the left and right on money.
Jaibones on March 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Well, yes. And the Democrats still hate them. The irony is that Bush has implemented as much if not more liberal programs that Bill Clinton, and liberals still hate G.W.
Difference is that while G.W. Bush is dismantling the global political establishment, Bill Clinton was content with simply dismantling the U.S. political establishment.
Kinda scary, if you think about it.
Lawrence on March 5, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Thats expensive chocolate.
shooter on March 5, 2008 at 12:12 PM
If we get Hillarycare or Obamacare, we’ll be up to a $4 trillion budget.
rbj on March 5, 2008 at 12:19 PM
HawaiiLwyr on March 5, 2008 at 12:22 PM
A five year plan that the communist Chinese would be proud of.
If education for Americans is so important they should then be adamant about stopping immigration and shutting down the NEA. When companies can’t import someone else’s subsidized education or cheap tech., they’ll start subsidizing the education for the workers they need here.
Speakup on March 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM
It certainly takes a lot of crust and/or stupidity to pork up a budget when Americans are sorting through their current tax preparations. Then again, withholding hides the burden of hurt from those who do pay the freight.
Of course, some beknighted fools assume that they will not be the ones taking it in the neck when the next tax bill comes due.
onlineanalyst on March 5, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Ample reservoir, though.
Entelechy on March 5, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Let’s review the Democrat platform so far:
High taxes, no energy of any kind, no trash pickup, no cars, no corporations (so very few jobs), no national defense, no border enforcement, universal healthcare (but good luck actually getting any because doctors will be in jail, drug companies and insurance companies will be out of business), no pesticides of any kind anywhere (so we’ll be overrun with rats and insects),no guns for anyone, every animal is “protected” (so you must sit there and let them eat you), and don’t ever exhale or you’ll be thrown in jail for CO2 pollution.
Have I missed anything?
Sounds like they want to trade the “Shining City on a Hill” for a “Cold, Dark Snakepit in a Cave”.
landlines on March 5, 2008 at 2:19 PM
Correct. If only we had removed all restraint from the Republicans who had raised discretionary spending more than Democrats; then we’d have fiscal responsibility…
Wait, that doesn’t make any sense…
Heritage.org, from 2006:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/tst021606a.cfm
“Non-defense discretionary spending has grown twice as fast under President Bush as under President Clinton.”
Yep, I fear what the Democrats will do. They raised spending nearly half as fast as Republicans… ooooh, scary.
But we’re jerks… are we jerks because we don’t want spending that increases twice this fast? There wasn’t another choice. Dems with X increase, or Repubs with X * 2 increase. Why is picking the Dems being “jerks”?
Or did you want really really high spending?
gekkobear on March 5, 2008 at 2:20 PM
“Getting nothing but static from Channel DNC”
Look out for the NARwal!
rihar on March 5, 2008 at 2:35 PM
It’s a recurring dilemma, isn’t it my friend?
fogw on March 5, 2008 at 2:44 PM
I love a good B-52s reference! Thanks for that title!
Channel zzzzzzeeeeeeeee!
tickleddragon on March 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM
a cappella,
“Lower Taxes” is just code for let’s stick our kids with the bill for our excessive spending.
Republicans used to want to leave our kids a better America.
Shame on us.
alphie on March 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Alphie:
Before the economic slowdown/recession started federal revenue was at an all time high and the percentage of GNP taken by takes rose after the Bush tax cuts.
jerryofva on March 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM
The two sides have been playing a huge game of chicken (with our money BTW) for twenty-plus years. The right passes tax cuts, maintains status quo on social spending, and funds the military, while the left tries to increase taxes, cut back on defense, and spend on redistribution. Currently, when given the choice between guns and butter, our answer is “both”. One side or the other expects to declare victory when either social spending is drastically cut, or taxes are massively raised. Meanwhile, other countries loan us money to keep the shell game going, and occasionally, we get fools like billy jeff, who make real and dangerous cuts in the military to balance the books. I am a risk-taker when it comes to investments, but if I were a soverign wealth fund manager, I would be double checking my assumptions before I sent more money into the US. Folks need to think about these issues, especially when they are being offered ‘free’ nationalized health care, etc.
Think_b4_speaking on March 5, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Only education could fix it, but it’s in the hands of the liberal unions, and the liberals in general. No hope.
fogw, what’s your professional background, general field only? You may opt not to answer, of course.
Entelechy on March 5, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Systems Engineering, Broadband Telecommunications
fogw on March 5, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Thank you fogw. Your English is superb, and today you wrote more than the much admired and envied (a little :) fogw-short-liners, for which you are so famous here, at least with me :) When I read the longer essays, I thought “I wonder what my friend does/did for a living?”. So glad you’re here. Best regards to you and yours, especially the most special ones,
Entelechy on March 5, 2008 at 7:08 PM
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