Along comes the ‘sympathetic’ LimeyGeek whom I infer agrees that giving immunity to telecoms who cooperate with our efforts to track terrorists is ‘fascistic’.

Meanwhile Wade wants to kick out all incumbents, no matter what their record is, and is only too happy to assume that the Politico story is true, without a shred of reliable evidence to support it.

I think its fair to say that there are a few extremist loons here.

Sheesh.

The loyalty to government over citizens on these comment pages is truly frightening.

petit bourgeois on March 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM

I have more sympathy for your viewpoint than you could possibly realise ;)

Hands free.

(And head.)

What is holding him back from taking a leadership position on this?

VG

You don’t know who is listening to your phone calls or reading your e-mail, or if the dirt they gather can be used for political purposes, like blackmail. They are running roughshod over our constitution, as evidenced by Muller’s report about the FBI not giving a sh*t before they spy on American citizens.

Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves. If you want a corporatist, fascist, Orwellian society, you will get what you want, traitors. The government let these people in so they could attack us, and now we citizens have to pay the price for their own malfeasance and dereliction of their duty to protect us. What’s next? Biometric ID cards for everyone?

The loyalty to government over citizens on these comment pages is truly frightening.

Why?

Because if you knew your parents were out of town, so to speak, wouldn’t you plan as much mischief as possible?

I do see this:

They know their House leadership has bungled this issue. The Democrat-controlled Senate passed a compromise measure by a decisive two-to-one margin. Yet, Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused to allow the Senate bill to even reach the floor — where it would have doubtlessly passed. Instead, top Democrats embarrassed themselves by voting a couple of transparently politicized, legally meaningless contempt citations against Bush-administration officials and then . . . leaving for a week’s vacation. Now, we are only a few legislative days away from yet another recess, this one for two weeks over Easter.

I see nothing about Republicans holding it up here either, but if any of you in Wade’s camp can provide something to back up this Politico piece, go for it.

LimeyGeek on March 5, 2008 at 5:23 PM

As I said, I am happy with my representatives, but handing Congress over to the Dems, being dismayed and shocked when our national security is toyed with, and (as icing on the cake) trying to blame that on Republicans is idiotic.

Indeed, the reason that people like Pelosi are screwing us right now has more do do with people (like you?) who sat on your hands last time around and didn’t vote.

Or perhaps it is the inevitable consequence of people (like you?) that play the dopey democracy game with a ‘lowest common denominator’ mindset.

When you’re sinking in quicksand, it doesn’t matter who’s beneath you, but what you’re prepared to do to escape.

“It’s 3am, and there’s a phone ringing in the White House…”

sondiehl on March 5, 2008 at 5:06 PM

I don’t think so. If it was political correctness the author would have said a “Congressperson” or “Congresspersons” said :)

You got that right, we voted all these idiots into office.

Wade on March 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Speak for yourself, please. I am happy with my Republican representatives in the State of Georgia.

Indeed, the reason that people like Pelosi are screwing us right now has more do do with people (like you?) who sat on your hands last time around and didn’t vote.

Good news for politicians, bad news for American s

Coulda stopped here and said all that was necessary, Ed.

You got that right, we voted all these idiots into office.

Wade on March 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Pas moi, monsieur, pas moi ;) But your point is well made.

It has been quite bitterly enlightening to witness just how far the general American public has fallen – with respect to understanding constitutional government.

The proof is the bill is not on the floor.

Wade on March 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM

That is proof that the Republicans are at fault? Do you know what the word “proof” means?

As for the use of the word “they” it is not a ‘grammatical’ error, but it is an editing error.

You get the government you deserve.

LimeyGeek on March 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM

You got that right, we voted all these idiots into office.

Saying that in your opinion they aren’t “forceful” enough doesn’t quite cut it.

Buy Danish on March 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM

To you, probably not, but then nothing you have stated cuts it other than a possible grammar problem. I told you once I do not read Robert, is there something there you don’t understand, other than it does not cut it. cul

but maybe you have a lower standard of proof than I do.

If you are naive enough to think anything you read in a blog is or is not proof, well… makes for good threads, but proof. Hell, you can not even trust the MSM for proof.

Robert Novak is the last person I would read considering what he put this country through.

Fine. Find one error in his story, and get back to me.

BTY 2/18 is a lifetime away when dealing with security.

What’s your point? Do you have any new information (other than this weak Politico piece)? We were told yesterday that a deal was probably in the works. Any other news you’re privy to?

The Republicans are no better than the Democrats on this bill.

How’s that? Specifics please. Saying that in your opinion they aren’t “forceful” enough doesn’t quite cut it.