Puppy video a fake?

posted at 12:39 pm on March 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

Not the video, of course, but the puppy itself. Ace says yes; I say maybe. Compare and contrast the screencaps to the magically realistic fake sleeping dog. Do we have our pup?

The one in the video seems not quite so … plush, but exposure to the elements in Iraq would do that to a toy, I guess. And the similarity of the markings is quite a coincidence.

Update: And maybe nothing more than a coincidence. Commenter “Limerick” says he has one of those fake dogs at home and the underside of it is completely flat. You can’t change its posture.

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Still though staging this makes them look like creeps and is a disgrace to the uniform.

William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Sorry. As I stated in the other thread my wife has one of those ‘sleeping dogs’. Exact same. It is stiff as a board and FLAT on one side. FLAT. You cannot change it’s posture.

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Notice the dog in the video’s nose and feet are dirty. Would two Marines, who the one military investigator said he believes came from Hawaii, spend $20 on a plush dog, have it shipped to Iraq, and take the time to scruff him up where little dogs usually do?

amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Want photos?

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Obligatory Occam’s Razor reference. There are a billion puppies that look just like that in Iraq, many disease-ridden and/or killed by locals, US military and the elements, vs. a fake stuffed dog online that looks like the puppy.

I wouldn’t rule anything out, but I wouldn’t label it a fake either.

BillINDC on March 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM

That being said, I hope it is fake. Still, as William Amos said, the staging is still a disgrace.

amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Those fake sleeping dogs don’t change position though. You pick them up by the head and their legs don’t dangle down – nor is there anything to grab onto on the scruff like this guy is doing. It’s in a set position. The fur just feels very real – and very creepy. It’s the breathing pattern that gives it the lifelike appearance. I don’t think this dog is fake.

Saying that this dog looks like that dog is silly; cuz, well, if you are going to make a fake dog of course it’d look like the real thing.

I’ve seen these things at tradeshows and they gave me the heebie jeebies.

lorien1973 on March 4, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Want photos?

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Yes – thanks

wytammic on March 4, 2008 at 12:46 PM

lorien1973 on March 4, 2008 at 12:44 PM

I think I know what you’re talking about. You can also see them at stands in many malls.

amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 12:48 PM

We have war in Iraq and Afganistan…

Possible war between Israel and Hamas…

Venezuella acting up…

Iran getting nukes, and the UN doing nothing…

Pakistan falling apart…

Congress doing nothing….

And three of the biggest Problems in the Senate running for President…

And we’re talking about two Asshats and a dog….

/shakes his head and wanders off, muttering about priorities…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM

‘E’s not pinin’! ‘E’s passed on! This puppy is no more! He has ceased to be! ‘E’s expired and gone to meet ‘is maker! ‘E’s a stiff! Bereft of life, ‘e rests in peace! If you hadn’t hucked ‘im in the ditch ‘e’d be pushing up the daisies! ‘Is metabolic processes are now ‘istory! ‘E’s off the twig! ‘E’s kicked the bucket, ‘e’s shuffled off ‘is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PUPPY!!

see-dubya on March 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Common sense from the original thread:

Has anyone bothered to track down the guy in the video and, I dunno, ASK him if this is real? Just a thought.

aero on March 4, 2008 at 12:23 PM

ScottMcC on March 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Definitely NOT the same. My mother has a stuffed cat like that and all it does is breathe when you turn it on – and Limerick and lorien1973 are correct – they don’t move.

As to whether the dog is fake or not, I don’t know.

Limerick, I’d post a link to those pictures, just to show everyone.

kippras on March 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM

:( limerick… I have seen them around but I doubt that dog is fake in the video.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM

You cannot change it’s posture

Just a coincidence, then, apparently.

Saying that this dog looks like that dog is silly; cuz, well, if you are going to make a fake dog of course it’d look like the real thing.

What struck me was how similar the head coloring was. I mean, considering how many possible colorings they could have. But just a coincidence, apparently.

TallDave on March 4, 2008 at 12:56 PM

They are made from real rabbit fur so they will not look exactly the same.

llano on March 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Still though staging this makes them look like creeps and is a disgrace to the uniform.

William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Yep. Staged or not, the net result is the same. It also offers a bit more wiggle room to the TNR types.

a capella on March 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Wait, limerick, is yours from that company? It looks nothing like either dog.

Maybe theirs is more relaistic than yours.

TallDave on March 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Um, guys? This “story” is worthy of the top two video posts? On the day of several major and very important primary elections?

Some bored Marines found a dead dog and thought they were being funny, just like the jackasses who are in Jackass on MTV or whatever. They filmed their “hilarious” antics too….unfortunately for them, while wearing their uniforms.

Their supervisors will make sure that these fellows don’t have the opportunity to become so bored and energetic that they film themselves doing stupid things again.

funky chicken on March 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM

see-dubya on March 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM

You’re certain it’s not pinin’ for the fjords?

Frozen Tex on March 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM

TallDave on March 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Same. My wife’s birthday was 10 days ago. She received it as a present from a friend. Same company. It lays there and breathes. Sorry but the box hit the trash (and probably the puppy will too).

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 1:01 PM

The reason I ask is that this is a magic shop company; their customers might want to have a more realistic puppy (as a propr) than your average stuffed animal.

TallDave on March 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Oh, and when blondie comes home, his mom is gonna kick his ass too. His name and his parents’ names and addresses were released online and his family is getting harassed right now.

He’s going to have plenty of opportunities to reflect on his error.

funky chicken on March 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM

cannot watch the vid link from here… don’t know as I want to later.
Without regard to whether or not it is a ‘live’ or ‘fake’ puppy, the imagery is vivid in the two stills given here.

Your number 1 comment is dead-bang correct… and worth repeating:

Still though staging this makes them look like creeps and is a disgrace to the uniform.

William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 12:41 PM

tony the tiger on March 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Okay, definitely not it then.

TallDave on March 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Well, that certainly puts to rest that the pup in question is not the toy. Thanks for posting that Lim…

Again, to me this looks like a real puppy…but the “yelping” was done, probably, by one of the guys just for added fun.

Fake or not, I’ve seen other vids of troops abusing animals. They’re out there, I posted a couple links in the other thread, but I just won’t do it anymore…simply because this kind of stuff serves no good purpose. It’s just a good way for the moonbats to justify their troop derangement.

Perhaps we need more stories about our servicemen who save these animals…even adopt them…and how Americans at home can adopt dogs and cats from the war zone.

JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM

How did you feel about the Beauchamp stories?
Not worth comment? Image isn’t important?

a capella on March 4, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Here…

Sleeping
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Limerick_share/dog2.jpg

Underside
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Limerick_share/dog1.jpg

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 12:54 PM

You’re disgusting! I hate you! You killed that dog on your table! You’re a disgrace to everyone who’s ever had a table! You need to be charged with treason and murder!

/over the top reaction.

SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 1:04 PM

We have war in Iraq and Afganistan…

Possible war between Israel and Hamas…

Venezuella acting up…

Iran getting nukes, and the UN doing nothing…

Pakistan falling apart…

Congress doing nothing….

And three of the biggest Problems in the Senate running for President…

And we’re talking about two Asshats and a dog….

/shakes his head and wanders off, muttering about priorities…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM

So the putting up of two posts on this over a two-day period is going to somehow inhibit our abilities to fight a war and complain about a Congress that refuses to do anything good? It’s two posts and a simple discussion on something that, by the way, the military finds “shocking and deplorable”.

amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I bet some people would argue back in 2004 that the Abu Ghraib photos were fake. The dog is real. The soldiers who did this are real soldiers. Yes it’s awful that this will be used as propaganda against US forces in Iraq, who for the most part won’t do something like that. But it’s real. War is hell, and it brings out the worst in people. Being in a war zone fighting sociopathic terrorists who do far worse things to fellow human beings might just rub off on some soldiers in Iraq. It’s the bloody Lucifer effect.

mram on March 4, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I finally saw the video.

If it was faked, it was done quite well. But still the thought of a cute puppy falling to it’s death, is enough to make a grown man cry.

Even it it was fake. they should be hollered at, at the least.

Yes, I like puppies! Gotta problem with it?!?!

WayWard Fundamentalist Christian on March 4, 2008 at 1:05 PM

I say maybe. I know a cat goes limp if you hold it by its scruff, so I assume a puppy would too.

frankj on March 4, 2008 at 1:06 PM

funky chicken on March 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Funky he has been home since Oct. If this is the same “guy”.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Does it say “made in China” on its ass?

Shy Guy on March 4, 2008 at 1:11 PM

“Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM”

Nail.On.Head.

Can we NOW start drilling for our own oil?

Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 1:11 PM

For what it’s worth, you don’t need to go to war to do this sort of stuff. Growing up, through 5 different schools in 3 different communities in 3 different provinces/territories in lovely, peaceful, nonviolent Canada (heavy sarcasm there) I could find examples in every one of those places of boys who would tell friends, even brag about, the awful and cruel things they’d do to puppies and kittens; my mother even rescued one kitten from a 6 year old that was tossing it around as if it were a toy. It just looks like these boys never grew out of that behaviour. And if online posting of easily and cheaply made videos were available back in the day (70′s and 80′s) then I know the boys I knew of then would have been doing the same thing with their sick antics.

Frozen Tex on March 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM

We have war in Iraq and Afganistan…

Possible war between Israel and Hamas…

Venezuella acting up…

Iran getting nukes, and the UN doing nothing…

Pakistan falling apart…

Congress doing nothing….

And three of the biggest Problems in the Senate running for President…

And we’re talking about two Asshats and a dog….

/shakes his head and wanders off, muttering about priorities…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM

Romeo13, perhaps these soldiers should have thought about that before creating this video. Real or not. Wouldn’t you agree? One of the reasons our soldiers are the best in the world is the high standards by which we hold them to and they hold themselves to.

These soldiers need to suffer some serious consequences regardless of whether or not this is a real puppy or a fake puppy. No because I want to see our soldiers punished. I don’t want that. But because the amount of damage that actions like this can do from a PR perspective to our overall efforts is irreversable. What these soldiers did is they just giftwrapped a present and personally delivered it to Al Qaida in Iraq. This video will be seen by many eyes, the yelps of that puppy will find many ears and will be like a shot of HGH into the arms of the jihadis.

Now, as far as the rest of the soldiers fighting bravely in our nation’s uniform are concerned, I feel terrible for the horrible situation that these few soldiers just caused for you.

Zetterson on March 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM

IMO – It’s a real puppy. A stuffed animal does not have the weight needed to travel very far when thrown. The puppy in question travelled a good 20 or 30 feet. It was alive when they threw it. Not saying it was dead after they threw it -It’s a gratuitous act of cruelty – there’s something missing in the brain collective of these men.

Enlightened on March 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM

Obligatory Occam’s Razor reference. There are a billion puppies that look just like that in Iraq, many disease-ridden and/or killed by locals, US military and the elements, vs. a fake stuffed dog online that looks like the puppy.

I wouldn’t rule anything out, but I wouldn’t label it a fake either.

BillINDC on March 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM

yeah…pretty much.

Asher on March 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM

So the putting up of two posts on this over a two-day period is going to somehow inhibit our abilities to fight a war and complain about a Congress that refuses to do anything good? It’s two posts and a simple discussion on something that, by the way, the military finds “shocking and deplorable”.

amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 1:04 PM

It may have come across incorrectly… but the amount of outrage I’ve seen generated over this, whether real or not, is what I’m talking about…

This will be covered and disected, and blogg’d, and commented on, ad naseum, for days…. much like the Britney Spears stuff…

Today a Highschool black athlete was gunned down by Hispanic gang members in LA… looks like he was a good kid… his MOM was on her way back from a tour in Iraq… he was literaly just outside his house, walking home…

No outrage… won’t get national media coverage except for a story or two… will be in the press for about 10 minutes…

But this stinking DOG, dead or alive, and a couple of idiots will be talked about for days…

thats my point… we seem to care more about animals, than people…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Well, at least the incident is being investigated…I guess until then, we won’t know. Still sayin’, real puppy. Shame.

JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Animals, unlike people, don’t attack and kill just because they feel like it, or think it fun.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Wow….

how… prophetic…

Foxnews just pulled the story of the LA killing off their main page…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM

People, please, sober up. This video is real.

Desperately grasping at straws trying to prove it is a fake makes us all less credible when we have to defend the military later against New Republic type smears.

Let’s move start moving through the stages of grief together.

1) Denial. Ok. We’ve done that.
2) Anger. A lot of us are there together right now. Let’s get mad at these two assholes for making this video and disgracing America and every person in uniform.
3)Bargaining. Can we repair the damage by tracking down these two fools and prosecuting them for war crimes? That might work.
4) Depression. We’re screwed. What’s the point.
5) Acceptance. (I’ll let you know what this is like if I ever get there myself.)

Nessuno on March 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM

dead puppy. Listen to the yelping. It begins late and does not fade properly.

blatantblue on March 4, 2008 at 1:22 PM

It’s fake. I know a little about faking videos. h

1. The sound of the riping dog has a room echo. They are outside. (mountain echo is different)

2. The sound of the dog does not taper and is a constant dB level relative to the camera. Anyone ever stand 15 feet from a camcorder in the wind and say something?

3 Where are they going to find a health fat puppy in the mountains of Afghanistan?

Egfrow on March 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM

And Humans, unless trained into a sense of a moral framework, are nothing more than Animals…

so, your point?

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM

You know if it were not for this video I am sure the left wouldn’t hate our troops.

EnochCain on March 4, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM

REALLY!?!??!

Tell me more!

So soldiers who are trained in a moral framework are still animals?

Interesting…..

And what then do you concider yourself?

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Here is the distributor of the sleeping critters…
http://www.perfectpetzzz.com/

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM

I’m a veterinarian and can’t tell if the pup is dead, alive, or fake from that video. Doesn’t matter. Aside from the animal cruelty issue, the hard fact is these clowns ultimately made life harder and more dangerous for their comrades in harm’s way, much the same as the defeatist attitudes in Congress have encouraged the enemy and prolonged the fight. Trying to downplay or discourage comment on the matter is counterproductive, IMO.

a capella on March 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM

A couple of young punks tortured a dog to death here in Texas a couple of months back. Their parents didn’t think it was that big a deal. Now, these parents get to see their kids during visiting hours only. Most of us here thought they got off too lightly – same goes for these soldiers, if this is real.

Think_b4_speaking on March 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Sigh, soldiers are NOT trained into a moral framework. Its not the job of the military to do so. They can be punished for failing to meet standards, but by the time you are in the Military, your moral framework is already pretty well established.

Morality is taught to you in childhood by the Society around you… parents, schools, neighborhoods… and sadly enough today, by TV… if the framework you have is the same as what we see on some streets in LA? Neighborhoods being run by gangs? Morality not only not being celebrated, but to a large extent it not being a survival trait?

Tell me, do YOU believe that man (or woman) is BORN with a sense of morality? Because if so, then how do you explain those who do not share the same sense of morality as the rest of the common society?

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Well, interestingly enough, PETA and the Humane Society are not reporting on this -

It is mostly being played by leftwing sites. Hmmm.

Still and all – the soldiers in question have some ‘splainin to do. Not nice if it’s a joke, horrific if it’s real.

Enlightened on March 4, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 12:49 PM

So, you don’t have the capacity to care about ALL of these things at the same time? I’m sorry.

I FEEL and THINK about all of it.

One fact that upsets me about our military’s treatment of a dog…goes back to the fact that most serial killers start off torturing animals. If this is not a fake, we should be watching these guys closely…because they represent US, no?

tickleddragon on March 4, 2008 at 1:37 PM

From HeraldNet:

At The Herald’s request, veterinarians at Washington State University’s College of Veterinary Medicine agreed to review the video.

They cannot determine whether the puppy was real. One did note that it appeared to leave the frame of the video for a second and the people in the video could have switched it with a fake dog.

“If this is something legitimate, it’s one of the most egregious acts of animal cruelty I have ever seen, if not the most,” said Dr. Matt Mickas, chief of Community Practice Services at WSU’s veterinary college.

He said it did not appear fake to him, because of the way the animal went slack by being held from the neck.
“To me, the sound on the YouTube clip sounded like a puppy in distress — the same sound we hear when the puppies come into the hospital,” Mickas said.

Whole article HERE

JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 1:37 PM

I’m a veterinarian and can’t tell if the pup is dead, alive, or fake from that video. Doesn’t matter. Aside from the animal cruelty issue, the hard fact is these clowns ultimately made life harder and more dangerous for their comrades in harm’s way, much the same as the defeatist attitudes in Congress have encouraged the enemy and prolonged the fight. Trying to downplay or discourage comment on the matter is counterproductive, IMO.

a capella on March 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM

PRECISELY!

tickleddragon on March 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Puppies don’t yelp when you throw them. I tried it on 16 puppies of various breeds, and not a peep. MYTH BUSTED

BelchSpeak on March 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Romeo, I am going off your comments. But before I even go there. A sense of Morality or Common Sense can be put into a child and in some cases can not. We all have been around people, related in some cases, where you wonder WTF happened and in other cases are stable as a rock.

It is learned… but it makes you wonder what they learn when you see crap like this now doesn’t it. As for common society… I don’t go by the whole as I usually am the type to look at one. As are most people in this world.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Puppies don’t yelp when you throw them. I tried it on 16 puppies of various breeds, and not a peep. MYTH BUSTED

BelchSpeak on March 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

(I’d laugh, really, if I wasn’t so disgusted over the story.)

tickleddragon on March 4, 2008 at 1:40 PM

I come from a military family. Nothing but love and respect for our troops. That being said, I’d like to toss these A**holes off a cliff.

Malpaso on March 4, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Very imature move by guys doing a job very few could ever think of doing. The reactions I have seen do not surprise me because they just show me what many think of our guys in Iraq anyway.

TroubledMonkey on March 4, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Here…

Sleeping
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Limerick_share/dog2.jpg

Underside
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Limerick_share/dog1.jpg

Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Not quite the same model in the add….

But I see what you mean.

http://www.magic.org/store/images/lg_sleepdog.jpg

:lol Yeah I have to agree then, that puppy in the vid. is hanging quite realistically, from the soldier’s hand. I just assumed since the pattern of the dog look similar to the fake one..it would move around limp like a real one. seeing that it was for magic tricks you’d think they would design one to hang like that. That is how Magicians hold rabbits.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8026/818/1600/JACKRA.1.gif

I have seen dolls that look like babies…

http://www.dollconnectionstore.com/images/AshtonWeb/Kaitlyn.jpg

Everything is realistic except the connecting arms…IMO.

Some dolls actually flop around like a sleeping baby.

If it is prop…it is very realistic. If the puppy has passed on before the video that is possible also.
It was so limp and had absolutely no facial movements from
the video.

dec5 on March 4, 2008 at 1:45 PM

No.

Nice try.

But NO. They’re NOT the same.
I don’t think this is Scotty because:

1. Flinged video pup has THREE black spots on his back. Scotty the sleeping puppy doll has ONE BIG black spot that takes up his whole midsection.

2. Flinged video pup appears to have MUCH shorter ears than Scotty the sleeping puppy doll.

I think it’s real. Still not sure if it was dead or alive, but at least, real dogmeat.

Shirotayama on March 4, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Egfrow on March 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM

If it’s not fake, the guy is in a world of deep doo doo. His address has been posted on the web. His superior officer’s phone # has been posted. Motari already has his own Wikipedia page. Nothing there yet, but it’s there. And, of course, the America bashing has begun.

Connie on March 4, 2008 at 1:49 PM

I’m a veterinarian and can’t tell if the pup is dead, alive, or fake from that video. Doesn’t matter. Aside from the animal cruelty issue, the hard fact is these clowns ultimately made life harder and more dangerous for their comrades in harm’s way, much the same as the defeatist attitudes in Congress have encouraged the enemy and prolonged the fight. Trying to downplay or discourage comment on the matter is counterproductive, IMO.

a capella on March 4, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Yeah, I’d have to agree. This just made life harder on GIs that don’t play immature games. If fact, this might get some GI killed, if it didn’t already.

Why is there this need to show everyone in the world what do? Just take the video and keep it private. Geez…

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM

But this stinking DOG, dead or alive, and a couple of idiots will be talked about for days…

thats my point… we seem to care more about animals, than people…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Romeo13, is it wrong to feel more sympathy for the puppy then the young child who got gunned down? Yes. You are correct. It is wrong to feel more outrage over a puppy then a child, but human beings and their reactions to images and sounds is not always logical. If these soldiers are serious about the war they are fighting these things must be taken into consideration. The puppy in this video is defenseless, cute, harmless, innocent and apparently real. These soldiers, by there action in this video, just spit in the face of every one of our soldiers actively trying to win the unavoidable PR battle for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

What frustrates me is the amount of bad that will come from this video is equal and opposite to the amount of good that would have come if they had videoed themselves giving the puppy water and petting it. Why they want to give the enemy propaganda footage is beyond me.

Zetterson on March 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Puppies don’t yelp when you throw them. I tried it on 16 puppies of various breeds, and not a peep. MYTH BUSTED

BelchSpeak on March 4, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Best post yet!!! LOL!!! Can we hold comments until the INVESTIGATION is completed??? Now, can we move on…

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 4, 2008 at 1:57 PM

This is going to turn out to be the fake and everyone is going to feel like an ass.

Egfrow on March 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

tickleddragon on March 4, 2008 at 1:37 PM

You made my point for me… they do NOT REPRESENT US!

They are soldiers, trained by a system that is supposed to use Controlled violence to force our enemies to submit to our will.

I did some pretty crappy things while I was in the Military… things I would NEVER have considered doing on my own… things against the teaching of my own upbrining… and you know what? I can’t even talk about them to most people, because they just would not understand.

I did things that Society here would condemn me for… and guess what, it did confuse me for quite some time… different areas, different rules, and you are just supposed to switch it on and off when you cross an imaginary line on a map.

I see a LOT of outrage, against somthing that, while pretty ggross, is not in the large scheme of things, important… unless we through our own outrage, make it so.

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 4, 2008 at 1:55 PM

OH, come on….

Do you know ANYTHING about how ISLAM feels about DOGS???

How is this gonna get one of our guys killed…

THIS is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about… overblown outrage and hyperbole generated by the Home crowd…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 2:06 PM

As said on the other thread, I don’t care how this affects Iraqi opinion. I don’t care how this affects moonbat opinion.

I do care how this affects the opinion of (until now) war supporters. Fake/real/dead/whatever—lots of yellow ribbon soccer moms will switch off.

And they’re not gonna go scouring the magic shops of the web like us blog dorks. They’ll see the video on GMA and do the Vegas dealer “I’m out” gesture.

Cuffy Meigs on March 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

As I tried to explain earlier, back up

Frozen Tex on March 4, 2008 at 1:13 PM

there, it doesn’t take military life or time in a warzone to make people do sick sh*t like that, they do it without any help at all. If this video is all genuine, the sick twist may have been doing crap like this long before he ever put on a uniform.

Frozen Tex on March 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM

I do care how this affects the opinion of (until now) war supporters. Fake/real/dead/whatever—lots of yellow ribbon soccer moms will switch off.

If this makes them switch off, did they ever really support the military? Anyone who concludes from this video that the military and the war effort are evil isn’t all that bright.

bojack on March 4, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Oh good Lord.

Boys will be be boys. Let their boss and their Momma sort this out.

faraway on March 4, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Puleez! I reserve the right to video myself throwing fake puppies (or fake cats, or fake cows, or…) anytime I want. I would fight any consequences to my dying breath.

blink on March 4, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Idiot. Would you do it if you KNEW the enemy would be using it for propaganda purposes? Should I just refer to you as Michael Moore?

Zetterson on March 4, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Hey, I didn’t say they were bright, just easily manipulated by emotion. No amount of CSI-blogging will trump their first reaction to the video.

Cuffy Meigs on March 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM

If these guys are proven to be authentic Marines, I will give
them the benefit of the doubt. I will wait for the final report from the their CO.

dec5 on March 4, 2008 at 2:18 PM

they do NOT REPRESENT US!
Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Ok so who do they represent then? They are US Citizens, scummy ones, but still Citizens.

And if you are part of “US” then who are you with exactly?

I am with my Soldiers, the people of the United States (scummy and otherwise) and wonder where you stand. This doesn’t change my view on the War, Soldiers or Marines. It just makes me realize that some stupid kids are still stupid.. like the Common Sense factor you were trying to use on me earlier.

Being that you were in the Military, as I was, were we not part of the Unites State even while Serving?

What I think you are doing is something to the fact that you did something simular to this and you are trying to make yourself feel better by arguing this is nothing big. You just said you did some crappy things. Well i don’t wanna know about them. But don’t argue about this to a bunch of people who KNOW this wasn’r right… as I am sure you realize this wasn’t right.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM

If only people who saw this would get equally if not more upset when a human life is also thrown away. 40 million babies brutally murdered, but that is okay, right?

Vanquisher on March 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM

It’s fun to watch people pick this apart desperately trying to prove it’s fake. Look, the military has it’s share of demons okay?

mram on March 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Animals, unlike people, don’t attack and kill just because they feel like it, or think it fun.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM

You have obviously never owned cats. I had a dog that stalked and killed a large black bird when I was a kid. My current dog chases squirrels, although I don’t think she’d know what to do if she caught one. The cats, however, stalk and play cat-and-mouse with any insect that finds its way into the house. I don’t know about wild animals. They are probably too busy surviving, but house cats stalk and kill just because it’s fun.

Al in St. Lou on March 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Al in St. Lou on March 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Actually I do. And my cat always brought/brings me the remains half eaten things as well. She always eats the bugs too… especially spiders.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Vanquisher on March 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM

I hear ya. It’s disturbing to think that a baby’s life has less value than a dog’s in our society.

bojack on March 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM

This is going to turn out to be the fake and everyone is going to feel like an ass.

Egfrow on March 4, 2008 at 2:03 PM

It really doesn’t matter if it’s fake. The greater affront is the creation and distribution of the video, which, spontaneous or staged, is a deliberate effort to depict an American soldier committing a dishonorable act. Whether the event depicted is real or a hoax, the message is the same. It’s not acceptable for any service member to sully the uniform in such a public manner. I’ve never been in the military, yet I readily understand such a basic point of honor. It disturbs me that a number of commenters here seem to miss it.

Blacklake on March 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Dead or alive, that was a stupid thing to do much less record.

One positive note, at least they didn’t put womens panties on its head.

Talon on March 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM

I hear ya. It’s disturbing to think that a baby’s life has less value than a dog’s in our society.

bojack on March 4, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Rest assured, were a US soldier to create and post on YouTube a video of himself killing a baby, particularly in a similarly callous and glib manner, whether real or fake, the public outrage would be vastly greater than the outrage over this.

Blacklake on March 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Blacklake on March 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM

You can count on that. The Puppy would be concidered a whimper comparably.

upinak on March 4, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Blacklake on March 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM

You’re absolutely correct. It’s amazing that anyone could doubt that.

Al in St. Lou on March 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Well, a commenter at Jawa Report notes that the uniforms the men are wearing have no discernable pattern- meaning probably fakes. No camo pattern. No badges, insignias or name tapes to be seen. Equipment looks suspiscious – and why are there only 3 men in that whole area? Looking more fake by the minute.

Enlightened on March 4, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Vanquisher on March 4, 2008 at 2:19 PM

The baby’s life is more important, but we don’t have to watch the abortions…if we did there would be more outrage. Also, in the case of the abortion, you’ve also got as much public concern with the perpetrator of it(the mother) as the baby, so there is a variable toning down the outrage with sympathy.

And I am only pointing this out… I am very anti-abortion. But as I said before, we have the capacity to care about BOTH animals and people. It isn’t a simple choice of WHICH to care about.

This disgusts me because I know that most serial killers begin by torturing animals…And whether anyone wants to admit it or not, these guys wear the uniform of the USA, and DO represent us.

That means you too, Romeo. Just because you did horrible things because you were trained/instructed to do them…you still represented this country when you did those things.

Thanks for your service, but shame on you if you did anything like this on your tour(s). THIS activity is not part of the mission and has no value in furthering the cause. Period.

tickleddragon on March 4, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I’ve seen those sleeping dogs too — and they’re not in a fetal position. They’re rigidly stuck in a “curled up, sleeping on its side” position. In the video, you can see the puppy deforming as he cocks his arm to throw it.

That said, the posture of the dog makes me think it is already dead.

Mark Jaquith on March 4, 2008 at 2:40 PM

OH, come on….

Do you know ANYTHING about how ISLAM feels about DOGS???

How is this gonna get one of our guys killed…

THIS is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about… overblown outrage and hyperbole generated by the Home crowd…

Romeo13 on March 4, 2008 at 2:06 PM

That wasn’t the point. The official Islamic attitude towards dogs has nothing to do with a couple of screwed up Marines creating propaganda which encourages the enemy to continue fighting and thus continue putting our guys at risk, especially with presidential elections in the offing. Why do you think al
Qaeda wants Barack to win? The whole jihadist mentality is based on the American public getting war fatigue and wanting to bail. They haven’t overlooked Viet Nam or Somalia. This video aids their cause. It doesn’t indict all our military guys, but it will be used that way. Political. It has nothing to do with Islamic culture and everything to do with American culture.

a capella on March 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM

From yesterday

“He then turns and throws something into the gully. The object tumbles through the air end over end. Yelping sounds are heard, but it’s unclear where the sounds were coming from.
From off screen, someone says “That’s mean. That’s mean…” and then uses the Monroe man’s last name.
A profile for a man with that name on Bebo.com, a social networking site, said he was a Marine serving in Iraq, but was expecting to be transferred to Hawaii. The site was taken down Monday afternoon.
A man with the same name was a junior at Monroe High School in 2003 and graduated from the Monroe School District’s Leaders In Learning alternative high school program in June of 2004, according to district records.
A woman at the home listed for the Marine declined to talk.
“Could you just leave? We already know why you’re here,” the woman said. “Just go. There’s nothing to say.”

Sounds like “guilty” to me.

Connie on March 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Blacklake on March 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM

I was referring to babies ripped from their mother’s womb. Yes, I know people value born babies more than dogs and unborn babies. I should have be more clear in comment.

bojack on March 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM

However, if this is a fake puppy, then to hell with the yellow ribbon soccer moms that “switch off” in some knee-jerk reaction to this.

Yes, knee-jerk reactions are teh suck. Which means all the sleuthing about stuffed animals is pointless. The train left the station, the knee already jerked.

I don’t want Marines worrying about playing with stuffed animals. Fixt.

Cuffy Meigs on March 4, 2008 at 2:50 PM

The tortured dog is definitely a fake. Period. To believe otherwise is to reveal your as gullible as your average ignorant liberal.

Griz on March 4, 2008 at 2:51 PM

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