Open thread: Armageddon; Update: Huckabee concedes; Update: McCain clinches; Update: Hillary wins Ohio; Update: Hillary wins Texas
posted at 5:54 pm on March 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Exit polls are just starting to trickle in. Nothing yet by way of hard data but — surprise — voters in both Texas and Ohio find Obama to be more electable, per Fox News. We’ve had the first reports of dirty tricks too, courtesy of pro-Hillary TalkLeft. And Huck is complaining about the lack of energy on behalf of McCain among the GOP base, even as Maverick prepares to put him to sleep tonight and turn his attention fully to the, ahem, purple states.
Ed and I are going to try to co-liveblog it via the Cover It Live widget below. (Thanks to Patrick Ishmael for the tip.) It’s our first time using it so bear with us. Things should heat up starting at 7 p.m. ET. While you wait, enjoy the results of this poll suggesting whom voters really trust at 3 a.m. Exit quotation one: “I didn’t get my hands dirty making all those good things happen in the ’90s.” Exit quotation two: America is a country that’s “just downright mean.”
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If you use sales tax as a basis for judging levels of corruption, Chicago wins.
Thanks, Barak.
yo on March 4, 2008 at 10:37 PM
5,000 votes and closing in TX, according to Fox.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM
For my continued $0.02……… it depends on what party and canidate you want to win. If you are a Democrat and want a “Nanny State” to do everything for you, including telling you where to live and what to do for work, then the answer is “yes”.
If you are a Conservative Republican, and you want the freedom to live, raise your family in Freedom, and persue greatness unfettered by bureaucratic resistance, then NO! Liberty is NOT Dead!!!!
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I’m sorry, is that “SaintOlaf” or SaintOAF?”
What do you call a religious bigot? Gotta’ be a word for it. You know, you’re the guy that got us into this mess, your bigotry against Mormons - along with your buddy Huckster - is what got us into this mess.
Well, as you Libs are about to find out, when I say “Liberty is dead” - I mean it’s dead for EVERYBODY! The churches will be the first to fall. Then those godless actors in Hollywood.
Well, some good does come out of the bad, huh?
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM
First of all, the Reagan excuse is old. He called it amnesty, for starters. He also tried it on much fewer people, before most knew whether or not the plan would work. What’s the excuse 20 years after it failed, trying again?
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Hillary just behind under 4,000 votes in texas
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I think Tanc would personally drive them all down to Tijuana in a mass convoy of Astro vans, just like the one’s they got here in.
Where else have I heard the phrase “I was for it before I was against it!”?
Everybody makes mistakes. I think it’s insulting to suggest he would support it today.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM
Under 4k votes difference in TX!
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I can’t get this applet to work right. It keeps bouncing me back to the top and won’t ever let me read the new updates. Help, please?
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I don’t rely on my presidential candidate to help me do the next right thing. I try to draw inspiration from a little higher than that.
And, no - it’s more like the opposite of despair.
mikeyboss on March 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Looks like Dallas, Houston and Austin will carry it for Obama - his leads there are huge and they’re not yet reporting 10%.
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Hey, I’m with you on the concern. But handing all three branches of the government to outright socialist/marxist who will disarm us when we’re at war seems to me in no way a wise thing for the country.
I’m not enthusiastic about McC at all. But I think the country can survive 4 years of his leadership better than what the dems will bring.
I’m not telling you to shut up and get in line. Not in the least. And I’ll be right there with you holding McC’s feet to the fire whenever possible and necessary. I just can’t give the country over, willingly, to people I am confident will destroy it. I don’t think McC will actually destroy the country. He won’t be great for it. But he won’t kill it either.
techno_barbarian on March 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Under 3k.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Man, this is a dour thread tonight. Are people that upset about McCain clinching the nomination? Geez.
darii on March 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM
Is Begala drunk? Was he even listening to the same speech that McCain gave? *hic*
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Uh, Dude. Mr. 7%. What you want and what you get? It makes a big difference.
Hate to pop your bubble - but Liberty is dead. And slowly being buried.
Get your burka and your blue beret while they’re cheap, ’cause…
Liberty is dead!
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Seven Percent,
Thanks for the answer though honestly I wasn’t looking for one. I just wanted to see if the guy who said it so often would chime-in.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Down to 2k.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
People really thing the WOT is gonna be a big issue FOR McCain?? 98% of this country agrees with Obama on the Iraq issue, especially when given the option of staying there for a hundred more years as the alternative. He needs to harp on the economy and fiscal issues to win.
muyoso on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
And he did it again. Yay for Pringles!
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Thanks. You fixed it.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Just over 2,000 votes seperate them in texas
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:42 PM
1500 and closing!
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Wow. So many things wrong with that statement. So little time.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:42 PM
There are over one million register voters in Cuyhoga County.
So, a 60% turnout would mean a 375,000 to 225,000 or 62.5% to 37.5%
WoosterOh on March 4, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Iraq isnt the whole war on terror
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Liberty died under Wilson. It’s all just been slow decomposition since.
Some democratic Marius will force through universal health care with proscriptions and death squads in the next generation, and then it’ll be just a matter of time before liberty is swallowed by empire, and empire is swallowed by its own incompetance. All that’s old becomes new again.
Yeah, I’m just naturally optimistic. It’s a gift.
TABoLK on March 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM
At this point, arguing over who would make a better GOP presidential nominee is like drinking flat beer the next day without sleeping all night.
Saltysam on March 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Actually, 55% want troops out within the year, and confidence continues to grow in the war. And I don’t see many having fits over our troops presence in Japan and Germany for decades, but Iraq is different?
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM
can’t get this applet to work right.
Is it a Macintosh or Granny Smith applet?
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Texas within 500 votes
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM
You’re right. I live in south texas and have interests in the rio grande valley. deportation is not a viable option. it won’t even be on the table. It is very unrealistic for us to believe that somehow, magically, all these people will just disappear
So, that being said, get over the “McShamnesty” thing. McCain was being realistic. Love him or hate him, he’s our nominee. We might as well support the guy. Our other options aren’t options at all.
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Fox news flash on their live stream…KP has gone to the bathroom.
repvoter on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Actually, 55% want troops out within the year, and confidence continues to grow in the war. And I don’t see many having fits over our troops presence in Japan and Germany for decades, but Iraq is different?
I look forward to the nominee debates and watching the chosen dem try to spin their way out the non-support for the soldiers and the plan that are winning the war.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Windows Vista, talking about “Cover It Live”. It’s an awesome idea, but this is very frustrating. Any ideas?
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Man oh man. Doesn’t anyone pay any attention at all? McCain has PROMISED he will destroy the country, because in his arrogant, sociopathic mind he will institute amnesty and WILL not create a working “certified by the governors” (uh, not their job!) border.
i know, it hurts. But don’t fear death. Liberty is dead. Guy’s like you? You’re next.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Clinton takes the lead in Texas!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
You just gave a decent case for casting a vote in the general for McShamnesty.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Clinton UP by 1700 now, according to Fox…
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Does anyone pay attention to Howard Dean, any more?
yo on March 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Ya beat me to it. Obama’s biggest weakness is foreign policy–as he has demonstrated during the debates. McCain can hammer him on the reality in Iraq. All Obama can claim is that he was against the war at the start.
darii on March 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM
Clinton now ahead for the first time in Texas.
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM
http://apple.com
Enjoy!
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:46 PM
mksmithwriter,
I did not get us into this mess….maybe you forgot that Bishop Romney(I call him that because he was actually a mormon bishop…a much overlooked fact)endorsed Mccain and tried to pledge his delegates to him.
And the Romney supporters had the nerve to say a vote for Huckabee was a vote for Mccain! When in actuality, if you did vote for Romney it REALLY was a vote for Mcshame!
But you are right about one thing…liberty is dead as is the conservative movement, now the republican party is something else(a pro amnesty, pro abortion,pro globull warming taxes, anti free speech, globalist party!
SaintOlaf on March 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM
and then it’ll be just a matter of time before liberty is swallowed by empire, and empire is swallowed by its own incompetance. All that’s old becomes new again.
I’m Spartacus! No I’M Spartacus!!
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM
You mean the sausage guy? No, why?
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Thats what Bill Clinton was complining about in that video earlier tonight. He called it “lies’ heh
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM
I’m predicting Texas will not be called tonight. Too close.
terryannonline on March 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM
schweet….hahahahahaha
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Obama will have a hand up in economic issues, not because he’s right, but because the majority of this country is so godawful Keynesian that they’re totally dependent on government to provide for their livelihoods.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Hey, cut me some slack. I’m saving for that sweet MacBook Air…
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Wonder if Michelle O is proud of America, tonight?
yo on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Hate to tell you this: Spartacus lost!
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Moron. Go fly over to the Kos you pseud. The GOP voters have spoken.
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
WooHoo!
Clinton 717,891 49% 0
Obama 716,591 49% 0
Vigilante on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
‘Tis odd. The reader portion should be pretty much foolproof. What browser/OS combo are you running?
steveegg on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
My goodness! I think it’s going to be a long night here in TX…
newton on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Anyone else having problem accessing Texas’ election website?
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Dude. Really? Yeah, Vista sucks. But XP is leaps and bounds above any Mac OS.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Yeah, I’m also predicting a protracted legal battle. Very ugly. Basically the Democrats will being most of our opposition research for us the next few months.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Weird CNN has Obama up by 7,000 votes now
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Windows Vista, talking about “Cover It Live”. It’s an awesome idea, but this is very frustrating. Any ideas?
Sorry my man, but Vista is a mess that currently only God can possibly undo.
The worst part? My wifey works for Microsoft and even she admits that Vista is a tough nut.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Opps I cant read that Is clinton up by 7,000
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Oh $#!*!
newton on March 4, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Why pretend this is the policy position of anti-amnesty advocates?
Answer: No solid argument to bring to the table.
Saltysam on March 4, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Good for typing and internet. Otherwise, get the 15″ MacBook Pro.
Either way, some day…
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I would love to share your optimism in Cindy’s Hubby, but history dictates his behavior otherwise. He is SCOTUS appointees will be Souter (Mr. take away private rights) wannabes and that is just as dismal the other two. Pull the lever if you really feel the need for John Kennedy McCain.
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM
What in tarnation is a “pseud”?
Don’t roll your eyes, I take pride in not being hip.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Vista + Firefox.
Bishop:
Thanks in any case :)
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM
If Hilary takes this to the convention I predict a President McCain.
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Is AutoScroll (that’s the second little icon to the right of the “Cover It Live” on the bottom) on or off (off would have the international “no” sign over it)?
steveegg on March 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM
A pseudonym?
darii on March 4, 2008 at 10:52 PM
9500 vote lead in TX for the Glacier, according to Fox.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Yeah, that’s the use I’m gonna give it
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Dude, you go to the funeral. I will stay informed, vote, participate, voice my opinion, educate my children, and if need be, clean and load my weapons….. Liberty is NOT Dead, Sir, not for this FREE man!!!!!!!
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Me thinks PA doth protest too much??? Just curious.
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Put me in charge, I can do it.
And I promise to land the copters before I kick ‘em off.
That “You can’t deprot 12-20 million people” gets my goat almost as much as “doing jobs Americans won’t do.”
Bullshit by an other name is BULLSHIT!
Liberty is dead. Except in heaven!
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
See all it took for Hillary to beat Obama was for Captain Ed to come to hot air heh
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Hey, cut me some slack. I’m saving for that sweet MacBook Air…
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Don’t get anything ever again. Liberty is dead and we will all be dead too very soon, right after the death-squads force us to wear berets and eat tofu and yeah, whatever!
Did I get it right?
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
To me the key issue is, will there be a secure border before any semi-amnesty?, or even more empty promises that it will all work out after another round of amnesty?
If the border is secure, I’m not opposed to working out how to best legalize or otherwise categorize the current illegals.
G. Charles on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Clinton up by 7,000 according to ABC.
Vigilante on March 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM
It’s been on all along. It still keeps bumping me to the top after a second or two of glimpsing the bottom. This thing should have the most recent stuff on top!
Baphomet on March 4, 2008 at 10:54 PM
WooHoo!
Clinton 717,891 49% 0
Obama 716,591 49% 0
Vigilante on March 4, 2008 at 10:48 PM
It is a sad day when we sit around and cheer for the Hildebeast Clinton to win the nomination….it only means the other candidate is far worse(which is a mind boggling fact)
SaintOlaf on March 4, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Up to 19000 and climbing. God bless Limbaugh.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:54 PM
CNN calls Ohio for Hillary!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Hey, I’m all for dying fighting.
Still, dead is dead. And tag, Liberty is it.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Drudge shows her up by ~10,000 in Texas.
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM
amerpundit and malan89…
I respect you both…but I disagree. Time for this McHead to hit the bed, morning comes too early. I’m sure we’ll “battle” again. Believe me, I’m as conservative politically as they come. I see a different John McCain than you do.
But look at it this way…he IS the GOP nominee. Now, ask yourselves what you’ll do NOW. Back him? Ignore him? Or do you want Obama/Clinton in the White House?
Give McCain a chance. And be realistic. Just my two cents.
Good night all…AP and Ed, and Michelle too…great job with the liveblogging. HotAir rules!
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Why not cheer Democrat indecision and infighting? WooHoo!
darii on March 4, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Can’t duplicate the scrolling problem with that combo.
Our gal has won Ohio per Fox.
steveegg on March 4, 2008 at 10:56 PM
FOx calls OH for Hill
yo on March 4, 2008 at 10:56 PM
That’s a significant win…a spanking!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:56 PM
A pseudonym?
So is being called a “pseud” an insult?
Don’t worry about me, I just got my first cellular BrickPhone yesterday.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:56 PM
What’s ironic about that statement is that most of McCain’s votes in the early primaries were from liberals and moderates. These are not GOP voters. And calling everybody who doesn’t march in line with the liberals just because they place an “R” next to their name doesn’t make them “pseuds”. And I’m not sure if that’s implying pseudoconservatives or pseudoRepublicans. Both would be wrong. We’re probably the truest of true conservatives by not marching in step with the moderates, liberals, and independents (the indies dumbest voting bloc anywhere). Do you realize that people that were Obama supporters were crossing over to McCain (and vis versa)? These are people that vote on personality, not issues. And they took our party. By being so hostile, you make me dislike McShamnesty even more.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:56 PM
McCain won’t destroy this country! Come on!
We’ve survived worse. Much worse!
newton on March 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM
A waffle is a waffle is a waffle. Not a pancake. Good luck with that.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Our gal has won Ohio per Fox.
“Our” gal? I just puked Pringles into my mouth. Don’t do that.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Thanks! You stay strong to and hold on to your wallet over the next four years!
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM
You mean, it can only get better? Riiiight.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Heh gloom and doom at Kosland
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:58 PM
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