Open thread: Armageddon; Update: Huckabee concedes; Update: McCain clinches; Update: Hillary wins Ohio; Update: Hillary wins Texas
posted at 5:54 pm on March 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Exit polls are just starting to trickle in. Nothing yet by way of hard data but — surprise — voters in both Texas and Ohio find Obama to be more electable, per Fox News. We’ve had the first reports of dirty tricks too, courtesy of pro-Hillary TalkLeft. And Huck is complaining about the lack of energy on behalf of McCain among the GOP base, even as Maverick prepares to put him to sleep tonight and turn his attention fully to the, ahem, purple states.
Ed and I are going to try to co-liveblog it via the Cover It Live widget below. (Thanks to Patrick Ishmael for the tip.) It’s our first time using it so bear with us. Things should heat up starting at 7 p.m. ET. While you wait, enjoy the results of this poll suggesting whom voters really trust at 3 a.m. Exit quotation one: “I didn’t get my hands dirty making all those good things happen in the ’90s.” Exit quotation two: America is a country that’s “just downright mean.”
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We all know McCain is a less than perfect candidate, I was for Mitt, life goes on. Given what the defeatocrats are offering and have come to represent the choice is an easy one. McCain will do the least amount of damage over the next 4 years. I can only hope his VP choice brings conservatives back into the camp.
dmann on March 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Hopefully you took a nice, long shower afterwards.
steveegg on March 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Please dear God, let Hillary score the win in Texas. PLEASE.
Obama may be inevitable as the nominee, but damnit, don’t I want to see the Clinton Bros. bloody his nose to win the damn thing.
Vyce on March 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM
The one thing that I can give McCain credit for was his ability to shower his wife with an impressive pearl necklace…
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
That won’t happen….no Mitt, no Huck.
I never cared for either of ‘em.
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
That’s comforting. HA!
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Not the one I was thinking of!! :)
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Pun intended….
dmann on March 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM
I don’t like some of John McCain’s policies, but I’ll be sleeping a lot better at night if he’s in the White House and the phone rings at any time of the day. I’ll definitely have to hold my nose to do it, but I’ll be damned if I’ll NOT vote as a protest!!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM
The People don’t trust you, McVain…
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Please, speak only for your minority evangelical condemning right wing lunatics.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Thumper? We also played a version called “Call of the Wild”.
mikeyboss on March 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Yeah. I’m not sure Obama isn’t the easier candidate to beat when all is said and done, but a prolonged fight that forces him to spend more of his money and build up higher negatives would certainly help.
phronesis on March 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Texas So Far:
Delegate Count
Hillary 51
Barack 65
Popular Vote
Hillary 529,822
Barack 520,484
Saltysam on March 4, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I’m with you. It’s time we ALL start backing our candidate. John McCain ‘08!!
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Wow…Hillary IS closing in in Texas. I really don’t understand, no matter how many times it’s explained, how the “Texas two-step” thingy works. What the heck is that all about?
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Is it just my thinking but it’s not a good sign for Hillary that neither Ohio or Texas have been called for her. She might eek out wins but a slim win is not what she needs.
terryannonline on March 4, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM
LEWL
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Snort Worthy quote:
Keith Olbermann to Tim Russert:
LOL!
WayWard Fundamentalist Christian on March 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM
THUMPER! THAT’S IT!!!! Gosh, that’s a FUN game… oh the memories… :)
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I like, Arizona’s #2 newspaper, the East Valley Tribune’s “breaking news alert”:
Arizona Sen. John McCain, a political maverick and unflinching supporter of the Iraq War, has clinched the Republican nomination.
Puleez!
Vigilante on March 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM
If it’s not that and not Rock/Paper/Scissors, I don’t know it.
steveegg on March 4, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Never has been my candidate and never will be. Rather fight The Obama or Czarina Hillary then McVain…
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Thanks. I know. It’s not about despair. It’s about pulling a Shakespeare, survive with what little dignity you can. In this era of globalization, though, with possible world armies (UN-stocked with Chinese troops and money), is a revolution even possible.
Our forefathers called this idea of “liberty” an experiment. Told us over and over it could only survive with a vigilant public. The downfall started with the IRS as designed by House and Wilson. FDR then just about sealed the deal. Johnson finished it. Our country, our freedoms, have slowly been strangled since then.
It’s over. Maybe next time around, our descendants can figure it out, make it permanent. But for now, the age of the independent individual is over. Time for the collectivist village to reassume control.
Hail to the Kings. LIberty is dead.
Deal with it.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:14 PM
I’ve gone through four sleeves of Pringle’s while I watch the results. Love that salt.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Cool. I’ll send you the bill when I send out my tax return in 2010. You pay the difference. You’ll also be taking care of the difference in the cost of driving because of your boy’s environmental policies. AND you can pay to fix my car/hospital bills when I get hit by one of those illegal immigrants that get drunk and drive on the wrong side of the freeway because they don’t know the laws of this country.
And yes, this actually happens.
A lot.
Even in my home town.
But at least you’ll be proud.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I prefer Cheeto’s!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Meh……. after McCain/Fiengold, McCain/Kennedy, and McCain/Lieberman, I’m more than a little short on “trust” for John McCain to represent the Republican Party in the likes of Ronald Regan.
That is his campaign, isn’t it? He is saying that in his commercials, isn’t it? You did hear that speach, didn’t you?
Oh, you didn’t know that he was running to be the next Ronald Regan?
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Perhaps you need a Pringle?
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM
NOT evangelical U CHOSE JUAN, so try your “condemning” stereotyping bigoted comments to someone else.
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Wasn’t meant to be comforting. It’s just simple reality. Whining about it won’t accomplish anything. That’s why I didn’t vote for Hil, and concentrated instead on voting for the most conservative local choices available to me. That’s how we affect change.
But you go ahead and piss and moan. Tonight’s the night for it. But I hope you love your country enough to make the wisest choice in November.
I just can’t see that being Bill’s wife or the Big empty O.
techno_barbarian on March 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM
There won’t be anyone left to fight. The party that loses the presidency isn’t going to pick up seats in congress. Thus a Hillbama victory means greater democratic control of congress and probably a supermajority in the senate which would even remove the filibuster option. Then Hillbama will have free reign to implement their socialist polcies.
phronesis on March 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Democrats make EVERYTHING more difficult than it needs to be.
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM
That was actually a very good speech by McCain. And if you want the RINOs to support the conservatives when the conservative gets the nod, then the conservatives better support the RINO when he gets the nod.
Or are yall ready to tear down the big tent and see how far you get with 38% of the population?
Skywatcher44 on March 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM
I prefer Cheeto’s!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Another fine snack! Sir, I salute you. Perhaps you and I should start a blog and then we can Chip-Blog all the elections while munching on Pringles and Cheetos.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Somehow, magically, another candidate…once elected…will wave a magic wand, and all illegals will just disappear. It’s just that easy!
C’mon…and when did McCain EVER vote for a tax increase?
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Thank you. Don’t let the liberal shamnesty shills silence the few real conservatives left. Don’t stop shouting. Don’t compromise.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Democrats make one very easy to do: abhor every, single candidate they present.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I’ve been saying it for weeks: The McCainiack runs with Lindsey Graham as VP…and loses. Big.
Obama will be like Carter, but with the Congress firmly in Democrat hands, laws will change to insure continual reelection. They are truly a communist party and have been since late 30s, under FDR. McCarthy was right.
Liberty is dead - get used to it.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM
He opposed the Bush tax cuts and supports a 50 cent(?) gas tax to fight global warming. Vote for? He opposed tax cuts and supports a tax increase.
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM
He voted against tax cuts…same difference!
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Uh. I don’t get you. You will have two choices in November - McCain or Obama, or McCain or HIllary. Are you saying that you’d rather see Obama or Hillary as POTUS over McCain? What are you smoking, dude?
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM
I know it’s important and I really, really tried watching, but I just cannot stand watching MSNBC! That has to be the biggest collections of clowns ever put on the tube.
AUINSC on March 4, 2008 at 10:21 PM
I’m already due for an extra 20 minutes on the treadmill! We can set that up for the general election, though!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:21 PM
LOL@Ed and Wesley Clark. Great zinger.
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Kind of an interesting thing I see n local results.
Clinton beat Obama by 3,400 getting 60% of votes.
Of those total Dem voters, 2,500 of them did not vote for a Representative in the Dem Congressional race, while only 66% of them voted for other Dem races, Judges and the likes including the State Dem Representative from this district.
On the Rep side, there were only a 700 vote drop-off for Congressional and a 300 drop-off for State Rep Representative.
I wonder if there was a large cross-over, they voted for Clinton, but would not vote for the other races.
WoosterOh on March 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Hillary is closing in like a Liberal toward a drum circle.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
You go ahead and get used to it. Those of us who still think there is something worth fighting for will continue on.
mikeyboss on March 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM
As a brilliant man, my grandfather ;-), once said, “Whatever FDR didn’t destroy the militant abortion rights activists within the Rep. party will just give the country away to protect the right to
sexabortion…”Liberty is dead - you are right on - it’s sad - but correct.
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM
OK, people! McCain got the GOP nomination.
That’s it. The Huck is dropping out. The End.
Let’s move on, and stop whining!
newton on March 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM
BTW Bill Clinton is whining that people LIED and mislead voters
oy vey video
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM
i’m considering this a victory for palin in that poll question. no way mccain would ever choose romney.
its vintage duh on March 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM
March 4, 2007. The day the Hope dragon was slain.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM
The vast right wing conspiracy works in mysterious ways.
Saltysam on March 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM
There is a clip on ABC news where bill clinton is whining about voters being mislead about how and where to vote.
Cant seem to link to it however
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Ya’ll need to try Julio’s Chips. Unfortunately for you, they are only available at HEB grocery stores in Tejas. Julio’s Chips = a little bit of heaven on earth…
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM
I won’t do the treadmill…the Pringles tend to snap and break as I jog.
First they came for the potato chips and I was silent. Then they came for the Doritos and I said not a word. Then one day the libs came for my Pringles…and there was no one left to speak for me.
-excerpt from “The Last Diary of the Pringles Man”
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM
No…not “same difference”. He only wanted the tax cuts permanent. And, in the end, He DID vote for the Bush tax cuts. How you equate that with “raising taxes” I really don’t know.
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Would Hillary or Obama be better than Mccain on taxes? Mccain did oppose the Bush tax cuts and did so for the wrong reasons but he did fight to extend them later on. And Mccain now vows to fight for the Bush tax cuts in addition to a corporate tax cut. With the dems in control of congress some taxes will go up no matter what, but some of the Bush tax cuts can be preserved by McCain along with a corporate tax cut, which has some bipartisan support in Congress. But Hillary and Obama have prosposed huge tax hikes in addition to massive new spending which will require even more tax hikes to fund.
phronesis on March 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM
McCain’s policy was reduce the deficit first, then you can cut taxes. Should’ve listened to him then - the enormous deficit now will make the recession worse and tax cuts harder in the future. McCain 1 pseuds 0.
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM
If I remember correctly, Romney wanted a “national gas tax”…
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Yeah? Whacha’ doin’ about it? Talk! Support the compromiser, it’ll be alright. Yeah, and I have some swamp land…oh, wait - can’t sell my land anymore because this land is your land…”your” as in the government’s.
Sigh. Just relax. Nothing to fear. There is no hell. Death is not the final word. There’s a better place than the dimension you see.
Besides. LIberty is dead. It’s okay.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:27 PM
And I only supported Romney because he was the alternative to McCain.
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Who would of thought the day would come when we would be wanting a Clinton to win?
WoosterOh on March 4, 2008 at 10:27 PM
We U.S. Americans need to have a hope for change, because only the audacity of changing toward hope will lead us to a hopeful change.
For the children.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM
A true voice of reason. Thank you!
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Forgive me, newton, that sounds just a little to close to “let’s pass this vote and tell the biggots to shut-up! (Shamnesty)”
Sure, McCain, at this point may have the nomination, but there is still the convention, his platform, the VP canidate, his cabinet, and nailing him down to his policies.
The end? I think not, just a new beginning……..
Seven Percent Solution on March 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Who don’t have maps.
amerpundit on March 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Something wierd is going on in Texas - Clinton is catching up super fast in the primary, but they’re moaning about the caucus.
What’s the best link to follow here?
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM
They don’t need to wave a magic wand. They need to enforce the laws on the books. Those laws call for deportation of anyone who breaks the law by illegal crossing the border. This is a national security issue. I don’t know where you live, but it is a problem in most of America.
Wow. Where do I start? Okay, let’s have fun with it. I’ll name a few big ones and the other conservative HA readers can continue.
McCain-Liebs Climate Change (Gasoline tax, capping fuel economy. Carbon emissions, he took the GoreCo position.)
Voted against the Bush Tax Cuts and supported eliminating them (basically a tax increase) until he realized it wouldn’t fly in a Pres. campaign (so much for straight talk).
2002–voted against repeal of death tax.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM
I just remember I don’t know everything and try to do the next right thing. It’s working out pretty well.
mikeyboss on March 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
If Obama can’t win Mississippi next week he has some SERIOUS F’N PROBLEMS!!!
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
And for the puppies.
pullingmyhairout on March 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
BTW CNN has Obama and Hillary TIED at 49% each
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
ROFL! You buy that? Cut the goddamn budget and my goddamn taxes!!! Reduce the deficit my ass. That was Bill and Hill’s line in the 90s…and it all went POP!
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Now that the race is down to only three democrats and no conservatives it’s time to start a new party!
Is anybody excited about Mccain at all?
Are we supposed to be excited that a democrat won the republican nomination?
Hopefully he will not be stupid enough to nominate Bishop Romney as his VP…because if does I will DEFINITELY not vote for him under any circumstances.
SaintOlaf on March 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Can anyone answer this question for me, it has really been on my mind lately: Is liberty dead?
Anyone?
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Will there be Pringles at this party?
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Im at the CNN site however whenever I have one window open there and another opened here it causes a crash. Must be something in the universe that prevents complete opposites from being in the same time and space
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM
I do love my country that’s why I would rather fight the wolves because they are a lot easier to spot than the wolves in sheep’s clothes (McCain). Plus, so what about 2008? Did conservatives give up in 1976? Um, no. I was there and you get up and live your life and fight the socialists but since more people in this country think the NEA actually cares about kids then think Judge Pickering, Sr., is a good person so I fear greatly for the republic, IMAO.
Branch Rickey on March 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM
What would the deficit be if we weren’t paying to support illegal immigrants who don’t pay any taxes? …crickets….
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Obama will win in Mississippi guaranteed, unless he insults malcolm x in the coming week. Dem voters are racially obsessed.
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Crap…there are crickets all over my keyboard!
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Ohio isnt even close
47% reporting
Clinton 569,220 56%
Obama 419,999 42%
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Not according to the news.
Sounds like you’re the one in despair: “Do the next right thing.” And who provides you with that next right thing? The guy that’s selling you - and US - out!
Yeah, you may not know everything - neither do I. But doesn’t sound like you know much. ‘Cause you settle…for the next right thing.
Liberty is dead. It was a grand experiment - and it was the right thing to do 240 years ago, not the next right thing.
mksmithwriter on March 4, 2008 at 10:33 PM
As much as you wanna believe that compromise is just pure evil then please explain how…
1. Dem House
2. Dem Senate
3. Dem President
4. 2 Dem SCOTUS noms
5. No VETO
is better then
1. Dem House
2. Dem Senate
3. Rep President
4. 2 Rep SCOTUS noms
5. VETO power
This doesn’t include ‘cut & run’.
How is compromising not helping the country? All this clap trap is over Shamnesty….well great. Let’s just throw away all our weapons because of Shamnesty. Sorry. Sitting on your hands and not getting 100% of what you want is going to screw the entire country.
Take back the country in 2012. Take back what exactly? It will take a couple of decades to correct the damage Obama or Hillary do. It would be a hell of a lot less work to take back the country in 2012 if McCain were sitting in the chair.
Limerick on March 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Good lord…Bob Beckle just admitted the democrats create votes from Cuyahoga County in Ohio! Someone post that clip! He wasn’t kidding!
SouthernGent on March 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Teacher’s unions are killing America’s schools. If we allow them to continue to rule public schools, America will fall from glory. Better start learning Mandarin.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Wow, it’s all tied up in TX in terms of percentage points. About a 7,000 vote difference.
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM
A lot of illegals pay taxes, and a lot turn in tax forms and get a refund, but some dont turn n tax forms after having taxes taken out, so the point is, a lot pay taxes using fake SSN and get nothing in return.
WoosterOh on March 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Drudgy has it at 49% straight up in TX. I am SO excited that I fully expect to down another roll of Pringles!
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM
That’s not very surprising. She was up 7 points going in according to RCP.
darii on March 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I live in Connecticut, work in Manhattan. So yeah, I know. But you cannot have any mass deportation UNTIL the border is secure. And McCain has already promised to do just that. And remember…Ronald Reagan granted blanket amnesty back in the day. Keep the dream alive, but 12-20 million illegals aren’t going to be mass deporoted by any POTUS. It’s just not going to happen.
JetBoy on March 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Chirp. Chirp. Chirp.
malan89 on March 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Corruption in Cuyahouga county is ohio’s worst kept secret. Only Philly and Chicago do it better.
William Amos on March 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM
…there ya’ go
yo on March 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Better start learning Mandarin.
Dumb idea, better to learn Beijing Guanhua.
Bishop on March 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM
So how does it get chalked for Hillary if she takes 3 of 4, including one of the big states, which has roughly the same demographics as the next big primary (Pennsylvania)?
Mark V. on March 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Spot on Limerick - good to see some rational thinking.
The children won’t stop bleating though.
Pax americana on March 4, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Limerick, the problem is, if McCain gives us Amnesty, none of what you said will matter. We’re looking at permanent minority status in Congress and the White House. Amnesty needs to be stopped. If that means stopping the MAIN RINO proponent, then maybe that’s what we have to do.
Darksean on March 4, 2008 at 10:37 PM
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