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World: Maybe that NIE was wrong after all

posted at 9:45 am on March 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Old paradigm: Iranian nuclear program no threat to the West. New paradigm: Iran lied about its weaponization and may still be pursuing weapons. The IAEA now wants Iran to prove it isn’t developing weapons, and this time the Europeans have taken the lead in demanding answers:

Last Monday, the chief United Nations nuclear inspector gathered ambassadors and experts from dozens of nations in a boardroom high above the Danube in Vienna and laid out a trove of evidence that he said raised new questions about whether Iran had tried to design an atom bomb.

For more than two hours, representatives to the International Atomic Energy Agency were riveted by documents, sketches and even a video that appeared to have come from Iran’s own military laboratories. The inspector said they showed work “not consistent with any application other than the development of a nuclear weapon,” according to notes taken by diplomats.

The presentation caught no one’s attention more than the Iranian representatives in the room, who deny Iran is developing atomic weapons. As they whipped out cellphone cameras to photograph the screen, Iran’s ambassador, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, nearly shouting, called the evidence baseless fabrications, the diplomats said, and warned that the agency was going down “a very dangerous road.”

Suddenly, the confrontation with Iran had reignited.

Call it the Bush administration approach, only with reduced W content. The evidence for the latest confrontation comes from the US, given to it on a laptop from a defector with good access to the Iranian nuclear efforts. However, rather than pressing forward in a leadership position against Iran, the White House has decided to simply pass the intelligence to its allies in order for them to make the case for action against Tehran.

The IAEA has sensed the shift in tone:

Iran’s envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency said the intelligence was fake and said an IAEA report on February 22 showed Iran had answered all outstanding questions and certified its nuclear intentions were wholly peaceful.

IAEA Director Mohamed ElBaradei disputed this, saying that while improved Iranian transparency had settled some doubts about its activities, intelligence suggesting Tehran sought to “weaponize” nuclear materials remained a pressing issue.

ElBaradei has taken a break from his usual scolding of the West to tell the Iranians that they need to start opening their military facilities to snap inspections. At the moment, the Iranians only allow inspections at two facilities, despite intelligence and evidence that the Iranians conduct military research on nuclear weapons at other places. Specifically, the Iranians have never given any satisfactory response about their “Green Salt” project. They also have blocked access to Parchin, where some suspect that the Iranians perform most of their military efforts on nuclear technology.

In fact, it’s instructive to look at both Green Salt and Parchin in light of the NIE. The New York Times mentions neither, but both arose as issues during the period of time when the latest NIE asserts that Iran had stopped pursuing nuclear weapons. In 2005, two years after the supposed cessation, the US started making intelligence public about Green Salt, which is a mid-state between uranium ore and useful fissile material. The next year, Iran finally released information it had deliberately hidden from the IAEA on their processing, but refused to provide any further explanation.

Parchin’s involvement in the nuclear program came to light in 2003. The IAEA conducted a preliminary inspection at Parchin, but Iran refused access in 2005 to any further inspections. The facility reportedly hides a large underground R&D laboratory dedicated to nuclear-weapons development. However, last November, a series of mysterious explosions there occurred, leaving many wondering exactly what happened and what might be left.

The American NIE came out about the same time, and it seriously hampered efforts to hold Iran accountable for its deceptions. As the Green Salt and Parchin episodes clearly show, those deceptions didn’t end in 2003, but continue to this day. If the new paradigm means that the rest of the world will demand Iranian cooperation and an end to their nuclear-weapons efforts with Washington providing a support-only role, then that works — but we had better ensure that the rest of the world keeps that pressure on Tehran.


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That’s it! We’ll use reverse psychology on the Europeans! If we say Iran is pursuing Nukes, they don’t want to do anything about it. If we say they aren’t…

Bill Scrunty on March 3, 2008 at 9:48 AM

That’s it! We’ll use reverse psychology on the Europeans! If we say Iran is pursuing Nukes, they don’t want to do anything about it. If we say they aren’t…

Bill Scrunty on March 3, 2008 at 9:48 AM

and warned that the agency was going down “a very dangerous road.”

Is that a threat?

showed work “not consistent with any application other than the development of a nuclear weapon,”

Ya think?

amerpundit on March 3, 2008 at 9:50 AM

NO SHIT!! WOW!! yawn

jimbo2008 on March 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM

The IAEA now wants Iran to prove it isn’t developing weapons

Yes, prove this negative.

Morons.

James on March 3, 2008 at 9:52 AM

Great post Captain. ElBaradei is a hack. As long has he has his name on the IAEA door I still don’t expect an honest evaluation from them. From the look of this though, it seems the EU is finally opening it’s eyes. They better before there are no gates of Vienna.

Limerick on March 3, 2008 at 9:58 AM

I hope US law enforcement never takes this bizarre approach that a dangerous suspect needs to prove to officers on the scene that they are not dangerous. We’re talking lots of dead victims and officers if we do.

The only answer possible for the rest of the world allowing Iran to continue its dizzying climb as the most dangerous nation building “Die Bombe” is not political or cultural; it’s eschatological.

Hening on March 3, 2008 at 9:59 AM

Iran’s ambassador, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, nearly shouting, … warned that the agency was going down “a very dangerous road.”

He got that much right though mirroring the responsibility factor. That deflection effort is a lost cause, too lame for Iran to expect any affect in their favor. That old habits never change is of no consequence beyond everything.

maverick muse on March 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM

But I thought that Mr ElBaradei said…
…he wouldn’t lie, would he?

JoeAvg on March 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM

Hey let’s have 11 years of sanctions, inspections and resolutions!

What the hell already, get Japan to send in some damn Ninjas to get a picture of a nuke and let’s put it all on the table. This is tedious already.

Dash on March 3, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Anybody want to take odds on things going boom in Iran (from Israeli munitions) between November and mid-January?

michaelo on March 3, 2008 at 10:03 AM

This thread needs more Hans Blix.

James on March 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM

This is one area that I’d like the wannabes to weigh in on….

What, for example, does Sentator Triceratops see the US/UN relationship should be. What should our stance with Iran be? Does America act alone in the absence of European agreement or not?

These are the valid questions that should be asked of all the candidates. Early and often.

highhopes on March 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Does anyone know what, if anything, is being done to the 5th columnists who authored that NIE report, then forced bush to make it public?

a capella on March 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Great post Captain. ElBaradei is a hack. As long has he has his name on the IAEA door I still don’t expect an honest evaluation from them. From the look of this though, it seems the EU is finally opening it’s eyes. They better before there are no gates of Vienna.

Limerick on March 3, 2008 at 9:58 AM

+1

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM

The only way to find out if Iran is in the process of producing nuclear weapons is to ask:

1 – Russia.

2 – China.

They know the answer for sure.

All this talk about the U.N., Europe, NIE, etc., is a bunch of crap.

Iran will not give you a straight answer but Russia and China will, with proof.

Yes, it’s not easy to get an answer from these two, but there are ways to make them talk, and bring them on our side.

Diplomacy is not dead yet with those two.

Indy Conservative on March 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM

I don’t understand why the “Intelligence” community seems to be anti-Bush considering that the Democrats have rendered them almost unable to do their jobs. The same ones that were saying Iran had a nuclear weapons program put out the NIS report saying they didn’t and now they’re back to saying it did. Sheesh!

TooTall on March 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM

Oh no, Rove got to all the Europeans!

NeoconNews.com on March 3, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Who would be stupid enough to bet on the prospect that the Iranians are not developing nuclear weapons? Any takers?

So it’s not up to the IAEA to prove that they are, it should be up to the Iranians to prove that they ARE NOT.

This whack o’ mole game of clue is ridiculous. If the world cares, they need to make the Mullahs prove their case.

If not, why waste the time and just go about enjoying our last days on earth.

NoDonkey on March 3, 2008 at 10:27 AM

I think we’re on to a new phase of foreign policy– let the allies convince themselves, then bring in the force of American military to resolve the issue.

The US has known Iran wanted to build a bomb, but most would just see it as “the same kind of lead-up to Iraq”. So, this time, we’re going to hang back, let people figure out Iran is up to no good, then ask for US assistance in stopping the threat.

Nethicus on March 3, 2008 at 10:30 AM

My my. We are doing the international concensus thing the liberals want. Has every country signed on yet?

Iran, how about you?

unclesmrgol on March 3, 2008 at 10:33 AM

And after UN sanction 4237, the EU is demanding, no no, is requesting, no no, the EU wants to suggest that Iran tell the world why it may feel threatened by it’s lack of nuclear power plants. Yeah, yeah that’s the ticket.

pueblo1032 on March 3, 2008 at 10:35 AM

…[B]ut we had better ensure that the rest of the world keeps that pressure on Tehran.

In so many years of fumbling around, the men in governments and international institutions, who expect everyone to rely on them, have given everyone reasons to doubt their competence or good faith. Is some means of taming or destroying the Iranian government available in private hands? Is it possible for private men to accumulate such means?

Kralizec on March 3, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Captain, I am really glad you came aboard the HotAirShip.

The higher we rise, the more we see.

It should be pretty obvious to all readers that:
1) Iran is actively developing nuclear weapons, and
2) Iran (via Hezbollah) has declared war on Israel and the United States.

The fact that Russia and China are supporting Iran makes them party to this war.

In other news, the U.S. could intervene as Chavez prepares for war on Colombia.

But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.

And by the way, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is not the “Messiah” (which is translated “the Christ”).

Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 11:14 AM

I think all of us here knew that the NIE was crap.

SoulGlo on March 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Hahah. Bush basically said “not our problem, Euro-weenies.” Good. Let them deal with the problems in the world for once (instead of just making deals with all the despots).

Neo on March 3, 2008 at 11:27 AM

I think all of us here knew that the NIE was crap.

SoulGlo on March 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM

At least two of us did and I’m sure there are a lot more with the exception of the MSM and the UN.

TooTall on March 3, 2008 at 11:35 AM

I don’t understand why the “Intelligence” community seems to be anti-Bush considering that the Democrats have rendered them almost unable to do their jobs.

It’s because the CIA is comprised of two major parts. One part are the field agents out doing real work and real missions. They are only about 10%-20% of the total CIA personnel. The rest are desk jockies/analysts and bureaucrats who have a vested interest in the status quo or hiding just how ineffectual and wrong they have been for years.

Think “State Department” only with less oversight and more budget.

Faith1 on March 3, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Bush should tell the Eueenies to go ahead and inspect all they want. And that if they find any nukes, they might want to get the hell out of Iran before mentioning it. And head upwind. And don’t look back.

drunyan8315 on March 3, 2008 at 12:14 PM

It is interesting to see what happens when the US steps back from the front line (via either the NIE, or a Democrat for a President) of threatening Iran with nuclear weapons development, and how the rest of the world reacts. Do they acknowledge that this is a threat? If so, who will take a leadership position to stop Iran? Who will actually commit resources to stop them?

My guess is that eventually they will come back to the US and say “There, we proved it. Now please use your resources to stop it.”

It is too easy for many governments (and the IAEA) to hide behind the US…and criticize the US…until the US isn’t there to protect them.

mtngto on March 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM

It’s a sad sad world when not even the Iranians can be trusted.

Chuck Schick on March 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM

I have read the NIE, it is only about a thousands words and it does not say Iran is innocent. In fact it states quite plainly that Iran wants a bomb. The NIE simply said that it appeared that maybe the Iranians had slowed down one part of their nuke program in 2003 because of the invasion, but that it still continued to pursue other parts of the program. It did say Iran was dangerous, dishonest and determined to get a bomb.

Terrye on March 3, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Europeans are scared. That’s why NATO generals are proposing in a white paper to nuke pre-emptively proliferators.

Why?

Because the Pope could say something. Or Wilders release another film. Or some more Danish cartoons. Or something else, a play, a book, an opera, whatever.

And BOOM! there goes Rotterdam and Amsterdam. Or Copenhagen. The US could “survive” losing NYC, DC, and Chicago. We would still exist as a nation and would simply kill hundreds of millions of people in retaliation for 4-15 million US dead.

For a nation like Denmark, losing 4 million people in Copenhagen would END the nation. Same with the Netherlands. Even France would be permanently crippled by losing Paris.

So, Europeans are scared. Nuclear proliferation + Jihad = Dead European cities. No matter how much appeasement takes place because there is always someone going to do something that will piss off Muslims.

This is the reality behind the Euro reaction.

whiskey_199 on March 3, 2008 at 5:51 PM

This is the reality behind the Euro reaction.

Agreed. But they still want the US to do the dirty work. And take the heat. Not that it isn’t in our best interest, of course. But I am tired of hearing that the current administration torched our allies. The allies are still there…quiet, maybe…but always willing to hide behind the US flag when convenient.

It is the allies that boldly stand with us, for better or worse, that I am impressed with. Now…who might that be…

mtngto on March 3, 2008 at 6:20 PM

Does anyone know what, if anything, is being done to the 5th columnists who authored that NIE report, then forced bush to make it public?

a capella on March 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM

I was just thinking that maybe President Bush and our e-hem “intelligence” community released that craptastic NIE report for the purpose of waging a mis-information campaign in order to bring the Euro-weenies out of their Buh-buh-but I’m-afwaid!”-closet. Then the world could breathe a universal sigh of relief and we at HotAir could shout, “ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!” and then I WOKE UP.

NightmareOnKStreet on March 3, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Is this a tactic to sidestep the mutiny at State?

AproposofNothing on March 4, 2008 at 9:24 AM

Does Iran have any useful idiots inside their country that could help the U.S. out the way we have useful idiots here helping them out?

ikez78 on March 4, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Why does this story not show up on the front page to me? and yes I closed out and restarted and still dont see it.

broker1 on March 4, 2008 at 1:35 PM

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