Horror: Man beheads one-year-old in Saudi grocery store
posted at 12:20 pm on March 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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The M.O. is distinctly Saudi but every society has its lunatics and there’s no evidence suggesting it was motivated by anything more than a family spat, so no grand cultural comment here. Even so, we’re getting lots of tips about it.
Just because.
Early morning shoppers at a supermarket in Jeddah were left reeling yesterday, with some falling unconscious, after a well-built Syrian man clinched a knife and decapitated his 15-month-old nephew in front of his mother in the store’s fruit and vegetable section.
In a brutal murder that has shocked the city, the 25-year-old man beheaded the boy, who was out shopping with his mother — in full glare of shoppers and staff at Al-Marhaba supermarket on Sari Street around 9.30 a.m. The man, who is the boy’s maternal uncle, apparently killed the boy following a dispute with his sister and brother-in-law.
Eyewitnesses said that the man picked up a knife from inside the store and severed the boy’s head. The mother and a shopper standing close by fainted, while several other stood in shock and disbelief over what had happened…
“It happened so quickly. Before people could intervene, the man had cut more than half way through the child’s neck,” said Abu Muhammad, a grandfather in his mid-60s…
An eyewitness, who lives in the neighborhood, said that the victim’s family lived close by and frequented the supermarket. “I’ve seen the murderer carrying the same child and playing with him on a number of occasions,” he added.
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So wait, we’re not supposed to say this is symptomatic of a depraved, repulsive culture?
Lehuster on March 3, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Animals.
tree hugging sister on March 3, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Animals are much nicer to their kids
infidelpride on March 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM
You can say it. Not sure how you’ll prove it, though.
Allahpundit on March 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Dear God.Bless that child and his family. And the left think we can “be nice to them” and all will be well.
kcd on March 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Well, given the Kingdom’s justice system, he’ll likely soon get to feel what it was like for the kid.
Frozen Tex on March 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Evil is as evil does.
indythinker on March 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Seriously. This is a culture that beheads and disfigures for crimes on a regular basis, and you think this isn’t symptomatic of that?
This couldn’t happen just anywhere.
AbaddonsReign on March 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM
What will be more telling is what happens to him at “trial” and his subsequent punishment.There are animals of this ilk in every culture, theirs may have more of a tendency towards this type of act, and as we have seen many times it gets mollified by the mullahs.
bbz123 on March 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Muneer said on his way to a public beheading in the town square.
labrat on March 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Not sure how you’ll prove it, though.
Where else do they behead people other than in countries afflicted with the Religion of Peace?
Lehuster on March 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Obama wants to negotiate w/ these creeps?
jgapinoy on March 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Holy crap. Some people are simply effing berserk. I wonder if it will be as simple as charging the man with murder and locking him up forever or executing him. Or will they go lenient on him for some bizarre religious reasoning.
Dash on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Nothing to say but Bless the Baby.
Maybe, just maybe, this might open up some eyes…. though I highly doubt it.
upinak on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Expect to se this sort of thing in a bodega near you when Juan McShamnesty, El Rey De La Frijoles legalizes abortion up to the tenth trimester and invites a steady stream of “vatos” and jihadists into our country to spread leprosy and shout the Mezzuin from what used to be cathedrals.
Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Our own skirts are not clean.
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Animals kill to protect their young or for food. These people have a special place in hell set aside for them. If American isn’t careful, this will soon be coming here with us giving in to their demands inch by inch.
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letget on March 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Awful.
someguy on March 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM
A Muslim cutting of the head of his Muslim nephew, in full context of Muslim/Sharia ideology of honor killings…
No. I guess that is just not enough to prove anything…
{sigh}
Lawrence on March 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Check the U.S. stats on children at risk while living with a biological mother and nonbiological stepfather or live in boyfriend.
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Actually, it happened in Knoxville, TN. Two college kids were car jacked, gang-raped and then chopped to pieces.
This guy sounds nuts–but don’t ever think for a second that this sort of thing doesn’t happen in other places–much less here.
Just go to FoxNews and read about the depravity that happens daily. Like the four people that stabbed and shot a family to death and then burnt the house down. Why? Because mom and dad didn’t approve of the teenager’s romance.
robblefarian on March 3, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Sure, show me the stats on how many stepfathers in the USA behead their stepchildren.
Lehuster on March 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Perhaps we should wait to pass judgment until all the facts are in. Had this so called “baby” boy been out in public with a woman who was not a relative? Was this baby even a “boy”? It is very jingoistic to apply a western value system to this ancient culture. Evaluate this one small life against a millennium of tradition. Was this loss really so great? Let our scholars debate these things as educated men and let us not burden our hearts with sorrows we may not be enlightened enough to comprehend.
MadMaxMagnum on March 3, 2008 at 12:38 PM
So, it is the beheading technique that bothers you more than the child’s death?
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Some how I think the mother will get blamed for all this. You know like they that blamed that girl who was raped and then tossed her in prison and then beat her with a bunch of lashes. I wouldn’t be shocked to hear that they have jailed momma for not obeying her brother.
USBB on March 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Happens across the world: man kills child for demented reasons known only to him
Specific to Saudi Arabia: head cut off in public
The method is strongly Saudi- and muslim-specific, but the general crime happens the world ’round.
playblu on March 3, 2008 at 12:41 PM
["Our own skirts are not clean."
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM]
Dude, you’re way off-key and singing the wrong tune.
Mojamaiko on March 3, 2008 at 12:41 PM
“I’ve seen the murderer carrying the same child and playing with him on a number of occasions,” he added. Many other people said: ‘He’s really a nice guy’.
“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil”. Thomas Mann
No, this does not apply to the demon ‘uncle’ of Jeddah who acts on his rage by killing a toddler, it applies to the apologists of these animals. Perhaps they wish that their uncle had put them out of their misery at a tender age as well.
Christine on March 3, 2008 at 12:42 PM
a, I would like you to show some proof that we are “decapitating” our children in public due to a conflict of interest. And I am not talking middle ages, Roman Empire, or War/Torture.
Make sure it isn’t wacked out freaks who are mentally gone or people having an abortion as well.
Thanks!
upinak on March 3, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Uncle El Slicer probably has a trunk full of Muslim chop porn at home.
BL@KBIRD on March 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM
It took me all of three seconds to think of one very famous little girl beheaded by her stepdad in Kansas City.
Those Missourians are monsters. MONSTERS!
Tanya on March 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Bravo!
Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
There has got to a place, reserved in the lowest depths of Hell, for so-called men like this who do things like this to innocent children.
pilamaye on March 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Please … the brutality that lies beneath the surface in islamic countries is constantly brought to the surface. This is but one example. To compare the beheading of an infant, in a public place in front of the mother to anything that may happen here is wrong.
darwin on March 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
a capella,
Perhaps his question should have been to show what group in the US supports honor killings and is supported by a large group of the religion’s followers as a way of life.
Yes, in the US there are horrible crimes committed by sick people. The general populace does not condone it. They do not encourage it. It is an anomaly–not accepted behavior.
In their culture such honor killings are not only tolerated but felt to be the law–not against it. There is no equivalence.
I’m willing to guess that the real shock is that the kid was a male. Had the baby been a female few beyond the immediate family would give a damn.
Faith1 on March 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
It is time to start registering knives; there are far too many dangerous knives in the world.
On a more practical note, he’s at least in a country where the punishment will truly fit the crime. And likely will be administered quickly. Of course, if the victim had been an adolescent girl and involved an ‘honor killing’, getting him even jailed might be a problem.
michaelo on March 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
God works through His people.
Satan works through his people.
Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Yes…I realize that maniacs are prevalent in all cultures…But say, when’s the last time a parent sliced the the neck of a little boy in the produce section of the Stop & Shop??
When men are allowed, by law in countries like Saudi Arabia, to do all sorts of crazy things, like beat their wives in the streets if they so feel…then yes, this is cultural.
JetBoy on March 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
It could. It has happened in Clayton, NC. It has happened in Hollywood, CA. It has happened in Russia.
Just a couple of useless factoids.
factoid on March 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
That’s right Allah, stick up for those Saudis. Of course a culture that does not value life is a factor in this. Do you think it is a coincidence that beheading is a common practice in this part of the world? The idiot felt wronged, and he punished his relatives based on the tenants of his culture.
echosyst on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Beheading has particular prominence in Saudi Arabia. In 2003 alone, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia beheaded more than fifty people.[30] This number included both Muslim and non-Muslim workers. Over the past two decades, the Saudis have decapitated at least 1,100 for alleged crimes ranging from drug running to witchcraft and apostasy.
…Nevertheless, Islam is the only major world religion today that is cited by both state and non-state actors to legitimize beheadings.
Buy Danish on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Here in this infidel state of ours, a mother gets her chance to vent at least some of her rage during a victim statement.
Can mothers be victims in Saudi? Can chattels/property/worth-less-than-dogpoo women have a statement to make?
I’ll bet she gets 200 lashes for fainting at the murder scene.
tree hugging sister on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Read some of the stories that AP linked to.
It’s like reading LaLa land.
Like the headline, Top 20 Saudi Business Women.
Where’s the Agents of Vice and Virtue to put a stop to this?
Kini on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Barbarian. Never underestimate the evil depths to which a man or woman can sink, but this type of bloodlust is truly demonic.
gajaw999 on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
What is there to say, really? An absolutely barbarous act by a depraved and utterly reprehensible person. But on a larger point, Saudi Arabia has become a breeding ground for depraved and reprehensible people with retrograde views of the world and their place in it. This is not by chance. While this boy’s groteque murder is a singular attrocity, it is worth noting that the Saudi government has gone to great lengths to create people with similar capacities as a means of exporting violence throughout the world under the mascarade of a cultish-death cult religion.
It should come as no surprise that within the decapitation capital of the world that one of its more demented citizens chooses this as a means of acting out.
moxie_neanderthal on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
acapella…you are missing a very important fact: In this country it’s against the law to kill your children. What will this guy get, a camel? There wasn’t any mention that the perpetrator was even arrested. I agree that the mother will be blamed, it’s always a woman’s fault in the 7th century mindset.
Christine on March 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM
where was the “full context” of shari’a ideology? The article said he’d been having a disagreement with his sister and brother-in-law, so he killed the child to spite them! How did that have anything to do with shari’a? If a 15 month old managed to do something to shame the family honor, that’d be one thing… but then it’d be the father’s responsibility, not the uncle. How a 15 month old could shame the family, though, I’m uncertain of.
Frozen Tex on March 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Nuke the Saudi’s and take their oil.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
The time is right for the Human Life Amendment to the United States Constitution. Only one of the four candidates for President supports it.
On a related note, are you tired of school shootings? Only one of the four candidates for President has written a book on how to solve the problem.
That candidate will be the next President of the United States.
Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
The reason we shouldn’t say it is that it makes us look stupid and rash. It invalidates our arguments against Islam in the eyes of many. You’d better believe our fifth columnists will use such statements, and they will win hearts and minds with it. We simply can’t afford to make statements that hurt our cause, our chance for survival.
thuja on March 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Do you know anything about shari’a?? There was a guy who wronged someone a few years ago and so they took the guy very very young neice and gave her to the old geezer who was wronged to have for his young bride. Their law is insane and unjust.
USBB on March 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
No kidding. Islam and Religion of Peace, now there’s a contradiction in terms. In order to live in peace you must first value human life. It’s pretty obvious these people (ack, spit) who follow Islam do not want to do either.
Brass Pair on March 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM
[Frozen Tex on March 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM]
Unless, of course, he shows that there was a 1% chance the child was illegitimate using SaudiLogic(TM) to prove it, in which case he gets 80 lashes and a 60 days stint in SaudiRehabilitation(TM) school while the mother gets a SaudiJustice(TM) beheading.
Dusty on March 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM
The sooner we start drilling in anwar and getting away from these sick f**ks the better.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Things like this can happen anywhere because all of humanity is depraved, but some far worse than others.
This case certainly is symptomatic of a far worse culture.
Grafted on March 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM
This sort of thing does happen in many cultures and societies and clearly the way to stop it is to control knives. We should have a background check on anyone that wants to buy a knife and a 72 hour waiting period before you can take ownership of the knife. Additionally a training course and license should be required for anyone who wants to conceal in knife in his or her pocket or purse. It only makes sense.
GuitarPlayer52 on March 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
ANWR… not anwar. If you don’t know what it is other then a postage size stamp of dirt…. don’t say it.
upinak on March 3, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Whoops, let me change that last part to “gets a SaudiJustice(TM)
beheadingstoning.”Sorry about that. How inconsiderate of me to suggest Saudis would be so barbaric as to behead a woman for chastity or infidelity.
Dusty on March 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Why is it wrong? Killing children in a Muslim country is worse than when done here? Is there a sliding scale calibrated by killing technique, placement of the killing field, or presence of a parent?
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
I could understand it if he was mentally ill. But, he did it because of a squabble? Anyway, now his head is going to be cut off. Maybe, the saudis will throw it a little torture, too. I see no reason not to punish this man physically and make him suffer.
Blake on March 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
The reason we shouldn’t say it is that it makes us look stupid and rash.
Truth hurts.
Is saying that more stupid than saying “Islam is a Religion of Peace”?
It invalidates our arguments against Islam in the eyes of many.
Eh, people like that are a lost cause anyway.
We simply can’t afford to make statements that hurt our cause, our chance for survival.
Like, Islam is a Religion of Peace, people everywhere yearn for freedom and democracy, evil acts in Islamic countries are the fault of a few extremists, and Islamic moderates don’t support terrorism?
Lehuster on March 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM
You can have my knife when you unclip it from my cold, dead pocket.
Frozen Tex on March 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Because you’re trying to compare societies as equivalent. There is no comparison between western culture and islamic.
darwin on March 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
If you’re going to pile on, please deliver facts. No more BS anecdotes are necessary.
The Race Card on March 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Just another day in the Magical Kingdom.
TooTall on March 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Naff off. don’t get your panties in a twist if some one gets your favorite acronym wrong. tool.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Was the kid covered with cigarette burns and have old fractures? Are you saying when those things happen here they are just tbecause of depraved individuals, but a maniac cutting off the kids head quickly in SA represents a culture dedicated to child abuse?
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Fine. As you wish. Shall we talk about the stoning deaths of young girls or the honor killing of young women for the suggestion of immorality. I encourage you to watch the stoning death of a condemed person. I have, and this form of punishment is an absolutely depraved form act that is designed to prolong the suffering of the victim.
Self righteous brutality and theatrical murder has become the sine qua non of radical islam.
moxie_neanderthal on March 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Child abuse/killing is not indicative of cultural corruption here, but it is over there?
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Being that I am a tool working in the oil and gas industry that you keep bitching about and obviously want more “inexpensive” energy. You might want to be a little more considerate of what you say. Tools are very useful in the fact they help you get where you are going. Learn a little, you might figure this out.
upinak on March 3, 2008 at 1:13 PM
The point is, this is a society that promotes self righteous justice/murder and devalues life.
The fish rots from the head down.
moxie_neanderthal on March 3, 2008 at 1:14 PM
This “tool” is trying to open up ANWR. Ya might wanna knock of the BS, learn a little and grow up!
upinak on March 3, 2008 at 1:14 PM
The kid probably wanted a cookie, and this jerkoff had to protect the family “honor”. Poor kid, he’ll probably never get to see the Jew Hating Rabbit again.
THE CHOSEN ONE on March 3, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Yes, sir.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
So why post it then? Wait, I get it. Red meat to the LGF crowd…..
Grow Fins on March 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Don’t start trouble and we won’t have issues, toolbox.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
It’s only a matter of time before some liberal idiot (here) starts demanding a seven-day waiting periods on large knives, schools as “knife free zones,” and the absolute ban on knives over a certain length.
On a more serious note, Allah and I have one of our very rare moments of agreement. It’s a tough sell to through this atrocity into some grand cultural condemnation. There are countless examples of murder/suicides in the US that are just as public and horrific (Virginia Tech and NIU being just two examples). Not to mention Andrea Yates actions were even more horrific.
highhopes on March 3, 2008 at 1:18 PM
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 PM
This coming with a myspace as a link LOL, get a grip.
upinak on March 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Obviously, it’s because the toddler was building an imperial empire.
mikeyboss on March 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Par for the course. That is what those people are taught to do from cradle to grave.
saiga on March 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM
A culture that treats it’s women like chattel treats children the same way. This man thought of the child as property … not a life, not someone’s child. All you need do is review the contributions of islam to mankind since it’s inception to refresh your memory to just exactly what beheading a child in public is indicative of.
darwin on March 3, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I dissagree. You have to make a deliniation between people here that are nuttier then squirrel poop and a culture of systemic indoctrination into brutality and abuse under the guise of religious devotion.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM
MadMaxMagnum on March 3, 2008 at 12:38 PM
WTF? Are you being serious or sarcastic?
Brass Pair on March 3, 2008 at 1:23 PM
1.2 million abortions in 2005. The world is going mad, not just the Ummah.
spmat on March 3, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Step off, choad. you go around picking fights don’t think people going to kiss your ass for it. You aren’t impressing anyone.
Oh hey, I think I misspelled a word or two in my last post; why don’t you insult me for that next!
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Yes, every society has its lunatics who commit heinous crimes, but public beheading seems to be a particularly islamic way of dealing with things.
reine.de.tout on March 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM
I actually think it was an honor killing.
Carl in Jerusalem on March 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM
I think if we want to discuss the ways Western culture is superior to that driven by Sharia, we can find comparisons which are much more valid than the amount and type of child abuse that occurs in both societies. This thread is full of posts straining to assign the depraved individual label to our abusers and trying to avoid it as a commentary on our culture, while offering this horrific event as evidence they are worse child abusers as a culture. Why don’t y’all pick at the areas where there really is a clean cut difference. There are many and the comparisons are to our benefit.
a capella on March 3, 2008 at 1:30 PM
I’d insult you for the way you structure your sentences, but your MySpace page says you are really smart, so I’d best just ’step off’.
tlynch001 on March 3, 2008 at 1:30 PM
quoted for truth.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM
You do that, douche bag, thanks for contributing.
liquidflorian on March 3, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Moron.
peacenprosperity on March 3, 2008 at 1:34 PM
fahk me that’s crazy.
DIY deadbaby. And people think OUR abortion policy is too lax
beefytee on March 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Then, shortly thereafter, the shock died down and they got back to their business of blaming the Great Satin, America, for all that ails them.
wildweasel on March 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Unfrigginbelievable.
Swinehound on March 3, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Apparently, this Muslim did his work swiftly and efficiently - no one had time to react to save the baby. I wonder where he got all his practice?
Do Muslims not realize yet the end result of their violent indoctrination of their boys and men? THIS. IS. IT. Their big, well-built men show their “manhood” by slaying defenseless babies.
That is a horrifying story. Poor baby boy.
Redhead Infidel on March 3, 2008 at 1:37 PM
That presupposes there is a culture on which we could comment. I’m of the opinion that calling what they have a “culture” dilutes the meaning of the word.
emailnuevo on March 3, 2008 at 1:38 PM
“Perfectly acceptable behavior”,
….. said the Neanderthal to his wall painting.
fogw on March 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM
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