Charlie Crist: Gosh darn it, Hillary’s primary victory in Florida should count

posted at 9:20 am on March 3, 2008 by Allahpundit

The Limbaugh strategy in action: The longer and bloodier the Democratic primary, the better it is for the GOP, which is why now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of Her Majesty. Witness, then, the spectacle of a Republican governor — touted as a running mate for McCain, no less — making the case not only for the state’s delegates to be seated by the DNC but for it to happen without the re-vote that’s increasingly expected to occur if Hillary pulls the upset tomorrow and starts pounding the table about Florida and Michigan.

Would the Democrats really what a Republican care thinks? No, but they might care what Floridians think. And a guy with a ~70% approval rating, whose endorsement of McCain was “important” to 42% of Republican primary voters, is in a good position to influence a lot of Floridians.


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Another nice move Maverick.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 3, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Clever move – Her Majesty and the Messiah need to battle it out for a while longer yet.

Pax americana on March 3, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Rudy wants to do the FL primary over again, too.

jgapinoy on March 3, 2008 at 9:25 AM

Gay RINO – Who cares what he thinks.

Gartrip on March 3, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Sun-tanned hairdo poseur. Blech.

Jaibones on March 3, 2008 at 9:27 AM

I know why they want Hillary kept in the hunt but I don’t like this at all. Sets a terrible precedent for future elections.

Limerick on March 3, 2008 at 9:30 AM

Charlie is such an embarrasment to us Floridians. This “man” is so gay, it’s hideous. (The more he denies, the more flaming he looks.)

He used to have an “assistant” follow him everywhere (so flaming..) now that he’s on the national scene, he ditched “Bruce” for a few token model-like women on his arm at all events. He is so phoney. He is doing this to be on the ticket. He will do ANYTHING to be VP.

Don’t think how much this will cost the FLorida TAX PAYERS Charlie, just think about YOU.

And for the record, I don’t care if anyone’s gay, just don’t deny it, if you are, for your own selfish ambition.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM

Make every vote count. No recounts. Just change the rules again. Count those Florida votes.

petefrt on March 3, 2008 at 9:32 AM

This is stupid. Florida and Michigan were both told what would happen to their delegates if they moved their primaries…and they moved them anyway. Well, no surprise, the parties followed through on their threats. No matter how you slice it, the results are tainted. Consider Michigan…if Hillary almost lost to a protest vote of ‘uncommitted’ from people who were that motivated to vote against her that they came out to vote for nobody, think how many more people would have voted for Obama instead of staying home because there was no way to really vote for their preferred candidate.

And don’t even get me started on the idiocy of allowing non-party members to vote in a party’s primary. I hate what our election process has mutated into.

-A Floridian currently residing in Michigan.

James on March 3, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Charlie Crist is such a tool. Even if what he is saying helps my side… I just hate having him on my side. Hell, he makes Maverick look like Reagan… and that ain’t easy.

Sugar Land on March 3, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I’d rather the dragon lady be finished off asap. Not worth taking any chances.

JammieWearingFool on March 3, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Gay RINO – Who cares what he thinks.

Gartrip on March 3, 2008 at 9:26 AM

Apparently 42% of Republicans.

Charlie is such an embarrasment to us Floridians. This “man” is so gay, it’s hideous. (The more he denies, the more flaming he looks.)

He used to have an “assistant” follow him everywhere (so flaming..) now that he’s on the national scene, he ditched “Bruce” for a few token model-like women on his arm at all events. He is so phoney. He is doing this to be on the ticket. He will do ANYTHING to be VP.

Don’t think how much this will cost the FLorida TAX PAYERS Charlie, just think about YOU.

And for the record, I don’t care if anyone’s gay, just don’t deny it, if you are, for your own selfish ambition.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM

What does whether or not he’ gay have to do with his wanting to help Republicans win in November?

I can’t watch the video, but does he want a full new election or just for the delegates to count?

amerpundit on March 3, 2008 at 9:43 AM

McCain better be real careful when vetting Crist. I’ve heard the rumors from several people in the “community” down here, too, and man, I am more convinced then ever that he plays for the other team. He tries to play it down, but the ol’ gaydar is going off like crazy every time I see the guy.

RW Wacko on March 3, 2008 at 9:47 AM

McCain should schedule two more debate. Keep them informal round table style in “friendlier” venues like the heritage foundation or fox news. Have one debate before Pennsylvania primary with just him and Huck and then have another debate afterwards with all the candidates. It will be kind of like the end of survivor when the bring all the people who got voted off back together again for the finale.

If the Republicans are still debating, then it’s less likely that Clinton will get out.

ninjapirate on March 3, 2008 at 9:48 AM

What does whether or not he’ gay have to do with his wanting to help Republicans win in November?

I can’t watch the video, but does he want a full new election or just for the delegates to count?

amerpundit on March 3, 2008 at 9:43 AM

I don’t give a crap, personally. But let’s be honest, would an openly gay man have a chance at being prez? If not, an openly gay man would not be a good vice prez choice. The vast majority of Floridians don’t know about the rumors surrounding Crist. The media down here is afraid to report on it, or feels it is too sleazy, for obvious reasons. If it were an open secret, Crist would not be governor. Sad fact.

RW Wacko on March 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM

Would the Democrats really what a Republican care thinks? No, but they might care what Floridians think. And a guy with a ~70% approval rating, whose endorsement of McCain was “important” to 42% of Republican primary voters, is in a good position to influence a lot of Floridians.

Would the Democrats really what a Republican care thinks?

Correction:

Would the Democrats really care about what a Republican thinks?

No, but they might care what Floridians think. And a guy with a ~70% approval rating, whose endorsement of McCain was “important” to 42% of Republican primary voters, is in a good position to influence a lot of Floridians.

Not really. This clown Crist, whom I know pretty good, influenced nobody. Your statistics, although quoted, are not accurate.

Sometimes you have no other choice, especially when a real popular Gov. -Jeb Bush- recommended or “endorsed” Crist. Now I can see Jeb regretting this endorsement. He could have kept silent.

Crist and Martinez will not be re-elected.

RINOs don’t appeal to Conservative Floridians such as myself.

Indy Conservative on March 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM

This is fun. I’m gonna do some research to back it up, but historically, I think, a contentious (or even competitive) primary/nominating battle results in a weaker performance by the ultimate candidate than was expected.

Reagan vs. Ford doesn’t count.

ra_8secs on March 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Thank you Charlie for saving us from Mitt the phony conservative and his brat sons.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM

Where is the commitment to “count all the votes” the Democrats professed so strongly in 2000? Stand up for the people of Florida and Michigan who have been disenfranchised through no fault of their own.

Keep hope alive!

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM

How ironic that a party who screamed about disenfranchised Florida voters in 2000 deliberately prevents their votes from counting today.

{Insert here multiple videos of Democratic party bigwigs and civil rights leaders from 2000 screaming about how the voting rights of Floridians were denied}

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM

I don’t think you can make a valid disenfranchisement claim about a primary election. Nobody’s saying they can’t vote in the general. Nobody has taken up the plight of those poor, poor registered Independents in states with closed primaries…who knew ahead of time what they couldn’t do in the primary if they didn’t register as one party or the other. Hmm…just like those states who knew ahead of time what would happen if they moved their primaries.

James on March 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM

“Look, Charlie – they have rules. Not OUR rules, THEIR rules. And their rules say they can’t seat the Florida contingent because they got all antsy and had their primary too early. So hey – whadda ya gonna do?”

mojo on March 3, 2008 at 10:26 AM

I don’t think you can make a valid disenfranchisement claim about a primary election. Nobody’s saying they can’t vote in the general. Nobody has taken up the plight of those poor, poor registered Independents in states with closed primaries…who knew ahead of time what they couldn’t do in the primary if they didn’t register as one party or the other. Hmm…just like those states who knew ahead of time what would happen if they moved their primaries.

James on March 3, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Of coarse you can. These people are being prevented from selecting their nominee for President of the United States of America. The people of Florida and Michigan did nothing to warrant the punishment of having their vote taken away. They didn’t decide what day to vote. They are given a date and they show up. The facts that some hacks violated some rule on when the good people of their states could exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right is not their fault yet they are being punished by having their votes disregarded.

Independents on the other hand choose by their own actions to not have a vote in the primary. They are free to change their party affiliation if they wish to vote in either of the primaries.

The good and decent Democrats of Florida and Michigan could not independently choose which date to cast their vote. They committed no act that warrants the suppression of their right to exercise their franchise.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 10:44 AM

What does whether or not he’ gay have to do with his wanting to help Republicans win in November?

I can’t watch the video, but does he want a full new election or just for the delegates to count?

amerpundit on March 3, 2008 at 9:43 AM

My point being that he is doing this to increase his chance of being VP. He would be very damaging to any Republican ticket.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 10:50 AM

These people are being prevented from selecting their nominee for President of the United States of America.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 10:44 AM

So are states with open primaries disenfranchising members of both parties since they are being prevented from being the ones who select their party’s delegates in that state?

James on March 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM

RINOs don’t appeal to Conservative Floridians such as myself.

Indy Conservative on March 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Where are you in FL? I’m right here is Charlie’s hometown, ST. Pete. He is a joke.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Sorry, I mean ‘select their party’s nominee.’

James on March 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Thank you Charlie for saving us from Mitt the phony conservative and his brat sons.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM

This is the reason I can’t bring myself to vote for McCain.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 10:53 AM

It isn’t in Crist’s interest to be an impediment to a significant percentage of Florida voters in getting a chance to have their primary votes count. As long as it is a re-vote, and therefore arguably fair, what reason would he have to oppose it? Some of those voters voted for him, and they’re feeling pretty left out right now.

An elected Republican official should never use his office to encourage the saboutage of a Democrat primary, even if he can legally get away with it. That’s anti-democratic and I can’t support it. Yes, it is the Democrat’s mess and they should have to foot the bill to get it fixed. Florida taxpayers shouldn’t be liable for the Democrat’s indecision.

Immolate on March 3, 2008 at 11:02 AM

The worst part is that he makes George Hamilton look like a ghost!

Vntnrse on March 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Word up stenwin77. You’d almost suspect that THE CHOSEN ONE is a closet McCain hater, trying to prevent Romney supporters from falling in line behind McCain. Poor losers are bad. Poor winners are much, much worse.

Immolate on March 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM

So are states with open primaries disenfranchising members of both parties since they are being prevented from being the ones who select their party’s delegates in that state?

James on March 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM

It does not matter who is doing it, it’s being done. The Democrats scream over these things all the time. They claim Republicans are disenfranchising people all the time. They even went to the SCOTUS in 2000 talking about “counting all the votes.” To allow the people of Florida and Michigan to be disenfranchised by their own hand will expose their hypocrisy to such an extent they will never be able to claim to be for voter’s rights with a straight face again.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Immolate on March 3, 2008 at 11:02 AM

This isn’t about sabotaging the Democratic party. This is about standing up for the rights of the voters of his state who had their votes taken away through no fault of their own. The Democratic party it seems, only wants Florida’s votes to count when it likes the outcome.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 11:11 AM

Word up stenwin77. You’d almost suspect that THE CHOSEN ONE is a closet McCain hater, trying to prevent Romney supporters from falling in line behind McCain. Poor losers are bad. Poor winners are much, much worse.

Immolate on March 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Actually, my sources tell me that THE CHOSEN ONE is really Lindsey Graham.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM

It isn’t in Crist’s interest to be an impediment to a significant percentage of Florida voters in getting a chance to have their primary votes count. As long as it is a re-vote, and therefore arguably fair, what reason would he have to oppose it? Some of those voters voted for him, and they’re feeling pretty left out right now.

Truth is that the Florida Democrats already voted and all of the candidates WERE on the ballot. The DNC made a decision to not count the delagates at the convention. So if the Dems are disenfranchised, their beef is with the DNC, not the state. Yes, if it were to be done over, it should be the cost of the DNC, not the taxpayers of Florida.

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM

stenwin77 on March 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM

A group of Florida primary voters should get together and file a lawsuit against the DNC. That would force a solution. The DNC does not want to be seen as preventing people from having their votes count.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Been living in Central Florida for 21 years now, so I’m not anxious to pay for a re-vote for the Democrats, but Crist would be a fool to actively obstruct one. If the Democrats want to count the vote-as-tallied, they can do that without Crist’s cooperation, so that really isn’t the issue. If they want a revote, they’re going to need his support.

Immolate on March 3, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Would the Democrats really what a Republican care thinks?

Huh, whaaat?

Kini on March 3, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Immolate on March 3, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Florida already paid for one. If the DNC wants another they should cover the cost. Otherwise, count the votes already cast.

TheBigOldDog on March 3, 2008 at 12:09 PM

I live in Florida also. I’ve worked the past 22 years in Fire Rescue. Thanks to Charlie’s Ammendment 1 there will be severe cuts which will drastically affect Emergency Services throughout the state.
Fire, Police, Sheriff will all face big cuts.
Ask anyone who lives here what Charlie did for Insurance.
Do we really want someone who is weak on public safety as a VP? Oh wait, I guess we shouldn’t be prepared for another 9/11 or Katrina. I’m a diehard Republican and if he runs as VP, I won’t vote.

Fires1 on March 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Hell yes, count those votes. The Florida and Michigan delegates should be seated.

Not because it’s the right thing to do (it isn’t), but because I want to see a full-scale war in the Democrat party.

I want to see them totally divided and shredded from the inside. It would be a beautiful thing to watch.

Seat the delegates!

bigred on March 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM

True, the Dems have Rules, but you can make a case that Fla and Mich Dems got shafted. As I understand it, the rule is that a state loses half of it’s delegates, and possibly more, if it moved before a particular date. The Dems a) gave Fla and Mich the maximum penalty, when they were only required to penalize them 50% b) didn’t penalize other states, also in violation of the rule, AT ALL (I think this is SC and Nevada)

BuzzCrutcher on March 3, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Keep in mind that if a “do-over” is allowed on the Democrat primary, there must also be a “do-over” of the Republican primary.

Otherwise, you would be allowing certain Democrats to vote twice…once in the 1st Republican primary (cross-overs who voted for McCain) and then a second time in the 2nd Democrat party. Methinks that was Soros’ game plan all along.

Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 2:28 PM

2nd Democrat party primary.

Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 2:29 PM

I am uninterested in how the Dems pick their nominee. I just object to paying for a second primary because they can’t keep their own rules straight.

mojo on March 3, 2008 at 3:17 PM