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Chickenhawk v2.0: Gloria Steinem, Wes Clark shrug at McCain’s military service

posted at 10:32 pm on March 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Hey, remember four years ago how we needed a vet at the top of the ticket since only people who’d seen the horrors of war could appreciate the human cost of sending men into battle? Late-breaking caveat: Having seen the horrors of war isn’t quite as valuable experience-wise as picking out White House china patterns. Would a man who endorsed Waffles in 2004 explicitly on the basis of his military service really dare try this double standard vis-a-vis, of all people, John McCain? Believe it:

In the national security business, the question is, do you have — when you have served in uniform, do you really have the relevant experience for making the decisions at the top that have to be made? Everybody admires John McCain’s service as a fighter pilot, his courage as a prisoner of war. There’s no issue there. He’s a great man and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn’t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved. It may give you a feeling for what the troops are going through in the process, but it doesn’t give you the experience first hand of the national strategic issues.

If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the us abroad, plus her years in the Senate, I think she’s the most experienced and capable person in the race, not only for representing am abroad, but for dealing with the tough issues of national security.

Mind you, this is the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee he’s talking about. Consider it a Greenwaldian revision of the chickenhawk meme, one that’s been in the works ever since it dawned on the left that they wouldn’t have a vet at the top of the ticket this time while the GOP very well might: It’s not military service that’s important, it’s the right kind of military service. The Christmas in Cambodia kind.

At least Clark concedes the merits of some sort of service. Question: What’s more impressive, bearing up under routine bastinadoing by the North Vietnamese for five years — or being Bill Clinton’s secretary? You guessed wrong.

And she claimed that if Clinton’s experience as First Lady were taken seriously in relation to her White House bid, people might “finally admit that, say, being a secretary is the best way to learn your boss’s job and take it over.”…

“Suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and Joan McCain had got captured, shot down and been a POW for eight years. [The media would ask], ‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’” Steinem said, to laughter from the audience.

McCain was, in fact, a prisoner of war for around five-and-a-half years, during which time he was tortured repeatedly. Referring to his time in captivity, Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”…

I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody. And she probably didn’t even play war games as a kid. It’s a great relief from Bush in his jump suit and from Kerry saluting.”

Follow the link for insights into, um, “gynocide.” Anyone here think, incidentally, that a female soldier who survived internment in McCainian conditions would be treated worse by the media than McCain was, especially in light of the way the Jessica Lynch saga was handled? Never mind hard news treatment; how many episodes of Oprah would be devoted to it? Barbara Walters specials? Beyond that, is Steinem’s ignorance of McCain’s ordeal affected, do you think, or genuine? The character credential it provides lies not in the fact that he took a beating but in the fact that he didn’t have to but preferred it to using his father’s credentials to get out of jail free while other guys stayed behind. Death before dishonor, literally.

Ed adds: Hillary Clinton has five years on the Armed Services Committee, less than a quarter of the tenure of John McCain, who has been on the panel since 1987. Not only has she never served in the military, neither did her husband, on whose administration she supposedly soaked up all of this military readiness. In terms of strategic experience, which is what the ASC addresses, McCain runs laps around Hillary Clinton.

Furthermore, it’s not as if John McCain sat silently in the Senate on foreign policy and national security issues. As he notes sometimes ad nauseam, McCain came out early to demand a change in post-invasion strategy and tactics in Iraq. He understood that the nature of the conflict had changed to a counterinsurgency and foresaw the strategy necessary to conduct it.

What did Hillary Clinton do to show her prowess at military leadership? She called General David Petraeus a liar to his face when he reported the improvements in Iraq. To date, she has refused to apologize for it, despite Petraeus being proven correct in the sharp drop in violence and the return of normalcy to Anbar and Baghdad. That kind of treatment certainly signals something to current military commanders, but not the kind of leadership in which they can have confidence.

Exit questions from AP and Ed: This’ll make for a nice pair of headlines for Hillary tomorrow, when she’s trying to keep people focused on Big Tuesday, huh? And if they’re making such lame arguments for Hillary as C-in-C, can you imagine the silliness they will offer on behalf of Barack Obama?


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I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody.

Not on purpose anyway.

Prediction: HRC will have a weepy incident tomorrow.

rockbend on March 2, 2008 at 10:41 PM

Beyond that, is Steinem’s ignorance of McCain’s ordeal affected, do you think, or genuine?

Sorry to pass the exit question for this one…

Neither. It isn’t ignorance. She knows all about his ‘experience’. His ‘experience’ is criminal, on his part, in her twisted little mind.

Limerick on March 2, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Appalling

p40tiger on March 2, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Good grief. Shouldn’t her 15 minutes have been up a long time ago?

(”Her” meaning both Steinem and HRC, now that I think about it…)

Lee on March 2, 2008 at 10:44 PM

I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody.

So are the terrorists.

Wayne Clark on March 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM

I’m sorry, Gloria who?

Isn’t she the feminist that became irrelevant years ago?

Clark proved himself irrelevant in ‘04. Thanks for playing, Wes. Here’s your Jeopardy home game, now go home.

yo on March 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Now THIS is moonbat logic at its best here! McCain doesn’t have the right kind of military experience to be CinC, but Hillary does!!! hahahahahaha I love the left – FUNNY!!!

jimbo2008 on March 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Tonight on 60 Minutes they were interviewing citizens of Chillicothe (SP?) Ohio and all were voting Democrat but one guy brought up Obama’s refusal to cover his heart during the pledge and that Obama might be a secret Muslim.

Obama’s response was that it was part of a shadowy group trying to discredit him. This will work for these character issues especially the secret Muslim meme but American’s BS detectors are pretty high when it comes to corruption and the Rezko case has a strong likelyhood of being the event that saves Hillary.

Bill C on March 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Wes Clarke — the same Wes Clark who’s a principal in Stephen Norris Partners, the guys trying to get rich off of us Linux people?

A quick examination of the principals in Stephen Norris Partners yields up the names Stephen Norris, Gen. Wesley Clark, and Stewart J. Paperin as prinicpals. Their website also yields up that they privately own the Four Seasons hotel chain. Further research yield up that Four Seasons is also partly owned by Bill Gates, and that Paperin manages a bunch of stuff for George Soros.

Sorry, never heard of the guy.

unclesmrgol on March 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM

You know another feminist is rated number #1 talkstream Tammy Bruce, I wonder what she has to say about Lavern, that is who Gloria Steinen looks like Lavern of Lavern and Shirley. Well except she isn’t funny and the laugh track that follows her around is unintentional.

Dr Evil on March 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM

How is Gloria “I’ll never marry a man!” Steinem enjoying married life nowadays?

jgapinoy on March 2, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Someone should ask Tammy Bruce a relevant Feminist.

http://www.tammybruce.com/

Dr Evil on March 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM

These statements are sickening. Wesley Clark was on CNN or Fox sometime since HRC’s campaign started. He made the statement that we were all headed toward’s total globalization. He then went on to give an example of China being the base unit and would have the supreme command. He described the USA as being a satellite and we would have our own leader. (That was a generalization of what he said.) But the host never followed up that description at all. I found it very unsettling.

tanmany2k on March 2, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Gloria clearly hasn’t been reading Charlotte Allen.

TX Mom on March 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM

I really can’t wait until the general election really gets into high gear and have John McCain make both BHO and Clinton has horrible C in C, wait it not that hard. If anyone with a brain can tell you BHO and Clinton would both be bad C in C. Clark must be smoking something.

BroncosRock on March 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM

This kind of goes with Gloria’s “One Free Grope Rule” that she invented during the Lewinsky scandal to explain why supporting both feminism and Bill Clinton wasn’t a contradiction.

Yoga instructors can’t do these kind of twists, but since Steinem’s lived the past 40 years inside her synchopatic women’s rights bubble, where her every utterance is echoed back as proper by a sympathetic press, she can say stuff like this with a straight face and never expect to be confronted with its absurdity.

jon1979 on March 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Steinem and “C” word Hanoi Jane . . Don’t ya have a
Madonna concert to go to or sumptin.

Texyank on March 2, 2008 at 10:59 PM

“Suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and Joan McCain had got captured, shot down and been a POW for eight years. [The media would ask], ‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’” Steinem said, to laughter from the audience.

Seriously, what the hell is she even talking about?

Beyond that, is Steinem’s ignorance of McCain’s ordeal affected, do you think, or genuine?

Both. The primary demands of her political faith direct her to scoff at the heroism of the west’s warriors.

Hee Haw Damien on March 2, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Who cares? Hillary is going back to the Senate.

The race is Obama vs. McCain. What about a comparison of them?

indythinker on March 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM

I thought she was dead.

SouthernGent on March 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Republicans are being criticized for using Obama’s full name. I agree that Republicans shouldn’t make a middle name an issue. But to call into question a former military POW and 20+ year U.S. Senator’s qualifications…. are they sure that’s a door they want to open?

If that’s the case, I have two questions.

1. While Hillary was the first lady, the U.S. had numerous terrorist attacks and the response during her husbands administration did little to curb future terrorist attacks. What will she do to protect American lives that her husband didn’t do?

2. What has Obama done that qualifies him for the highest office in the land? Other than talk about “change”, what has he done that distinguishes him from all others?

Hog Wild on March 2, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Hillary is such a blithering, inept, comic-book hack of a candidate that I still think conservatives should be rooting for her to take the dimmocrat nomination.

Doesn’t look like its going to happen though. Pity.

Cicero43 on March 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM

What a surprise from a former member of the Democratic Socilists of America. She is of no significance whatsoever but somehow manages to find an outlet which enables her to spew this moral relativity crap. As for Wes Clark, he must have caught some shrapnel in his skull somewhere in his career.

dmann on March 2, 2008 at 11:08 PM

There was a female US pilot raped in Iraq during the gulf war. If she’d later run for office as a Democrat it would have been a bigger news item imo.

aengus on March 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM

If Wes Clark caught any shrapnel it was prolly a rogue staple or paperclip the REMF scumbag.

Buzzy on March 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM

unclesmrgol on March 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Good read. thanks.

Hee Haw Damien on March 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM

hog wild at 11:03pm

If Obama wasn’t black, but all other qualifications (or lack thereof) were the same, no one would ever have heard of him.

jgapinoy on March 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Ha Ha Ha
That’s pathetic

Defector01 on March 2, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Couldn’t you dig up at least one of those old Wesley Clark Photoshop jobs?

Every time I see some idiotic statement that Gloria Steinem makes, I can hear her saying it in a whiny, nagging voice.

baldilocks on March 2, 2008 at 11:20 PM

All you youngums out there probably don’t remember Steinem. She had her day…a definite would. Like Valerie Plame, she was a covert agent. That is, she went under cover as a Playboy bunny waitress at the Playboy Club in order to get first hand experience and then reveal to the world that the job put women in an environment where they were often mistreated in a sexist manner…as a piece of tail, I guess. Whoda thought?

PC14 on March 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Is Wesley Clark now saying Jim Webb isnt qualified anymore ?

William Amos on March 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM

While I have always believed that military affairs are not the same thing as foreign policy, these statements from Clark are just laughable. Calling it Chickenhawk 2.0 really says it best.

Greenhorn on March 2, 2008 at 11:25 PM

If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the us abroad, plus her years in the Senate, I think she’s the most experienced and capable person in the race, not only for representing am abroad, but for dealing with the tough issues of national security.

Wow! Talk about grasping at straws there Wes. Does Wes not remember that McCain has served in the Senate as long as he has? Seriously, this is just flat out ignorant.

Rick on March 2, 2008 at 11:27 PM

I figured Wesley was going to be Hillary’s VP pick. I was sure he wasnt going to join senator quaylefied as the VP candidate

William Amos on March 2, 2008 at 11:28 PM

On one of the Sunday talking-head shows (Meet the Press?) the insufferable Wesley Clark was mentioned as a possible V-P for either Democrat. Hard to imagine; if there was any more of a damned fool to come out of the US MIlitary in the past couple of decades, I can’t think who it was.

I’m trying to think of the correct adjective; how about ‘wooly-headed’?

MrLynn on March 2, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Wesley Clark, January 07: “Bush’s ’surge’ will backfire

How’s that prediction working out for you, Wes?

BillINDC on March 2, 2008 at 11:30 PM

PS Allahpundit has been taking William F. Buckley lessons: “bastinadoing”? Had to look it up!

MrLynn on March 2, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Hey, remember four years ago how we needed a vet at the top of the ticket since only people who’d seen the horrors of war could appreciate the human cost of sending men into battle?

That reminds me of the story about the unemployed teacher who was looking for a job in the south. He was being interviewed by the school’s principal where he had applied for a teaching job.

The principal asked him if he was a creationist or an evolutionist. The unemployed teacher, reflecting on how long he had been unemployed responded, “I can teach it either way”.

MB4 on March 2, 2008 at 11:31 PM

“There was a female US pilot raped in Iraq during the gulf war. If she’d later run for office as a Democrat it would have been a bigger news item imo.

aengus on March 2, 2008 at 11:09 PM”

And who was that? I was in both “Gulf” wars and I never heard that.

Hog Wild on March 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM

The problem is that we actually take any of these people at their word,ever.How many times do we try to swallow their craven lies? With the support of the MSM these lying commies are given creedence, we need to just keep battling them with truth.

bbz123 on March 2, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Yeah.

More reason for conservatives to fall in and support Sen. McCain, no. matter. what.

There’s no Gov’r Mark Warner or Sen. Joe Lieberman for the Dems…

HotAirJosef on March 2, 2008 at 11:44 PM

“I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody.”

And yet, they support the troops.

Gaunilon on March 2, 2008 at 11:49 PM

This is Obama’s essential problem. All the 60’s radicals think they’re taking down “the man” with their support for Obama. He can sound great speaking of hope and change, but Steinum, The Weathermen, Joan Baez, Soros, Code Pink, Farakhan, The Black Panthers, and the Grateful Dead can’t speak as eloquently or fraudulently as he. AS A THE PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL MAVERICK FAN CLUB, I can admit that the man has his flaws, but foreign policy and credentials concerning sacrifice aren’t one of them. lol.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 11:49 PM

How’s that prediction working out for you, Wes?

BillINDC on March 2, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Not working out to well for Wes I suppose, but things seem to be working out pretty well for little Mahmoud however.

From a survey of active duty and retied officers:

Furthermore, it appears that many officers find that the efforts of US forces have sometimes been counterproductive. Asked what country had gained the “greatest strategic advantage” from the war in Iraq, 37% said Iran while 22% answered China. Just one in five of the officers answered that the US had gained the most.

And now this.

BAGHDAD (AP) — Mahmoud Ahmadinejad arrived Sunday in Baghdad for the first-ever visit by an Iranian president to Iraq, walking a red carpet past Iraqi troops to meet the president of a once-bitter enemy nation that’s now under growing Iranian influence.
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani greeted Ahmadinejad at his car and the two kissed four times on the cheeks in the traditional fashion. A military honor guard saluted the two and a band played the two countries’ national anthems as they walked slowly down the red carpet at Talabani’s headquarters.
The visit gives Ahmadinejad a chance to highlight the relationship his nation has with post-Saddam Hussein Iraq while also serving as an act of defiance toward the U.S., which accuses Iran of training and giving weapons to Shiite extremists in Iraq.
Ahmadinejad is scheduled to meet not only with Talabani but also Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, both of whom have made official visits to Iran since taking office.

MB4 on March 2, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Interesting. It looks like Maverick’s site has been mildly hacked. Note the header:

John McCain 2008 – John McCain for Dictator

Pablo on March 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Ah, disregard. That’s a spoof site, though it looks just like his real one.

Pablo on March 3, 2008 at 12:00 AM

“I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody.

So am I. Someone with all the experience Clinton has wouldn’t have the slightest clue when to use it, and there would be dozens of dead Obama supporters.

Spc Steve on March 3, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Pablo on March 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM

That’s both very subtle and alarming. I don’t know much about web design, but I’m pretty sure that if you can change the index file, you’re pretty much in the house, upstairs and opening the jewelry box, so to speak.

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 12:01 AM

Ummmmm……… maybe this would be helpful.

Right, Gloria?

Seven Percent Solution on March 3, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Ah, disregard. That’s a spoof site, though it looks just like his real one.

Pablo on March 3, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Oh great. More satire. I suppose we can now look forward to MSM twits citing the “satire” there as alarming news items.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/15/video-msnbc-quotes-whitehouseorg-on-falwells-political-influence/

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 12:07 AM

MB4 on March 2, 2008 at 11:53 PM

I could offer a 200 word rebuttal, but why bother? You’re a broken record.

BillINDC on March 3, 2008 at 12:07 AM

I could offer a 200 word rebuttal, but why bother? You’re a broken record.

BillINDC on March 3, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Don’t get all upset now. It’s not good for the digestion.

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 12:12 AM

Ah, disregard. That’s a spoof site, though it looks just like his real one.

Pablo on March 3, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Looks like they pretty much downloaded his site, did a juvenille search-and-replace (President to Dictator, Security to Stupidity, etc.) on the text, and uploaded it to their own site.

Not sure what the laws are, but yeah, stupid as it is, it will get a pass as “satire.”

Someone put up a barackobama2008 site with similar edits and see how long it lasts…

Hannibal Smith on March 3, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Interesting. It looks like Maverick’s site has been mildly hacked. Note the header:

John McCain 2008 – John McCain for Dictator

Pablo on March 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Is that his official web site?

If so, then even worse on his web site -

Upcoming Events…
01.22 Florida Military Douchebags Rally

Juan is going to be a leader in security for America when he can’t even secure his own web site?

Oh brother.

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 12:19 AM

I would say send Steinum to a Communist Prison Camp for Five years, however she’d probably be thrilled to go. Her and Jane could catch up on old times.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 3, 2008 at 12:28 AM

Juan is going to be a leader in security for America when he can’t even secure his own web site?

1. It’s a spoof site. See above.

2. McCain doesn’t know sh*t about websites, and I could care less that he doesn’t. I don’t expect his webmaster to be promoted to National Security Advisor.

3. Given the existing options, I’ll take McCain, hands down.

Pablo on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM

That Clark is such a twat..

But then again, what patriotic military guy could have served under Clinton enthusiastically?

TexasJew on March 3, 2008 at 12:34 AM

I’m sorry, Gloria who?

Isn’t she the feminist that became irrelevant years decades ago?

There, fixed it.

clark smith on March 3, 2008 at 12:42 AM

1. It’s a spoof site. See above.

2. McCain doesn’t know sh*t about websites, and I could care less that he doesn’t. I don’t expect his webmaster to be promoted to National Security Advisor.

3. Given the existing options, I’ll take McCain, hands down.

Pablo on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM

How DARE you call me a racist?! I just want to see our laws enforced!

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM

That is one U G L Y Woman.

*shudder*

WayWard Fundamentalist Christian on March 3, 2008 at 12:47 AM

1. It’s a spoof site. See above.

I suspected that. See my above, “Is that his official web site?“. Do you note the skepticism displayed there at your [Pablo on March 2, 2008 at 11:54 PM] at first indicating that it was his official web site?

2. McCain doesn’t know sh*t about websites,

You got me there.

and I could care less that he doesn’t.

I think you meant, couldn’t care less.

I don’t expect his webmaster to be promoted to National Security Advisor.

I hope not, as his real web site has him calling for still more troops in Iraq.

3. Given the existing options, I’ll take McCain, hands down.

Pablo on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Senor Juan is all yours. Enjoy.

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 12:49 AM

How DARE you call me a racist?! I just want to see our laws enforced!

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM

Juan says that makes you a racist.

You don’t want to be drug off to a reeducation camp when Juan becomes el Presidente America del Norte do you?

You better shape up Gringo nativist.

BTW, have you learned 25 more words of Spanish yet today for Juan and me?

Time is running out for you Gringos.

VinyFoxy on March 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM

VinyFoxy on March 3, 2008 at 12:53 AM

I’m so totally in agreement with you. The trouble is, all of these supposedly “conservative” websites have shifted into total Reconqista cover-up mode now that El Rey de la Frijoles, Juan McCainez is the GOP nominee. Where can a man of the West go to find a community and a polity dedicated to our interests, and not the interests the likes of Jerry Rivers?

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Indeed. A lot of supposed conservatives seem to have developed an extra virulent form of ACS (Abused Conservative Syndrome) and have become Juan’s enablers.

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 1:11 AM

The “spoof” site is being run by a Ben Sarsgard, whose main blog is here. Looks like he is an Obama supporter.

Sekhmet on March 3, 2008 at 1:14 AM

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 1:11 AM

Right. It shouldn’t be hard to aknowlege that we are at war and the other side has armies – some armed, like MS13, others armed only with their uterises and open palms – when do we start to shoot back?

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 1:16 AM

And I think that people who were more worried about broken fingernails in the 1960s than bamboo being shoved under them need to shut their pieholes about John McCain’s experiences in Vietnam.

Sekhmet on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Gee, pardon the rest of us for being more worried about jihadis than Mexicans.

Sekhmet on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Gee, pardon the rest of us for being more worried about jihadis than Mexicans.

Sekhmet on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM

It’s probably easier for you to call me a racist than it ia to aknowlege that our republic is insecure and will remain so until our laws are enforced and or border is closed.

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM

when do we start to shoot back?

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 1:16 AM

Probably the only thing that would cause Juan to bring troops back from Iraq, or at least not send even more there, would be to stop you from fighting back.

Gee, pardon the rest of us for being more worried about jihadis than Mexicans.

Sekhmet on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Location, location, location. It applies to much more than selling or buying a house.

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM

I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody

Just babies. Millions of innocent, defenseless babies.

29Victor on March 3, 2008 at 1:23 AM

And I think that people who were more worried about broken fingernails in the 1960s than bamboo being shoved under them need to shut their pieholes about John McCain’s experiences in Vietnam.

Sekhmet on March 3, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Do not worry our buen amigo. Juan will take care of the rest of the First Amendment when as el Presidente America del Norte he gets passed and signs McCain-Feingold Act II.

VinyFoxy on March 3, 2008 at 1:30 AM

Heard this earlier today (yesterday, now,I guess) and was hoping someone would start it as a topic.

If you take this meme to its logical conclusion, the only Presidents in the history of the USA that WERE qualified to be Commander in Chief ‘on the first day’ were George Washington Ulysses Grant, and Dwight Eisenhower … Plus maybe Andy Jackson and Zachary Taylor.

But really, it is judgment, rather than command experience or sitting on the Senate Armed Services Committee for a few years.

Unfortunately, not one of the Bozos now in the running qualify in any way. McCain comes closest, but despite his personal courage, had his father and grandfather not been who they were, McCain’s military service would very likely have been even more of a waste than it was.

The Experience part is even less important than the judgment and decision making skills. The Joint Chiefs of Staff and sometimes the SecArm, SecNav, SecAF, and SecDef are supposed to substitute for military experience, and none of them have any good judgment skills.

LegendHasIt on March 3, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and Joan McCain had got captured, shot down and been a POW for eight years. ‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?

Our first female POW was Melissa Rathbun-Nealy during the Gulf War. The American people and the media were quite concerned about her. Another woman was also captured during Gulf War 1, and I believe she was sexually abused.
Since then, we’ve had several, including Jessica Lynch. I have never seen any of them blamed, except for the way the left felt compelled to ‘debunk’ the Jessica Lynch story.
During the WOT, we’ve also had several female abductees, some who ended up beheaded.
Some could argue, of course, that the female hostages held by Iran under Jimmy Carter’s regime were POWs. I have never seen any of the women singled out.

I have never ever heard any of our female POWs blamed for their own predicaments. Gloria Steinem has thoroughly beclowned herself on this one.

MayBee on March 3, 2008 at 1:44 AM

Probably the only thing that would cause Juan to bring troops back from Iraq, or at least not send even more there, would be to stop you from fighting back.

MB4 on March 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM

Maybe that’s reason enough to start? WWe should never have gotten mixed up in that AIPAC-sponsored war in the first place.

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 1:45 AM

Great!!

All we heard in 04′ was how much of a hero Kerry was for
his 3 months in Vietnam and getting purple hearts for throwing grenades at himself.

Now we have a nominee that actually understands what is going on with the War on Terror,served under horrific conditions for years, and spoke up about changing course the right way instead of surrender like Obama and Clinton,and somehow he is not qualified enough.

With crap like this and the “Bush lied”,”Bush did 9/11″,”Bush stole the 2000,2004 elections”,and the rest of
the ignorant accusations that liberals make, I just don’t see how liberals look at themselves in the mirror and think
that anybody could possibly take them seriously.

liberals will say or do anything no matter how hypocritical or ignorant it seems if it justifies their ideology for that moment.

Baxter Greene on March 3, 2008 at 1:48 AM

B#tch

Bubba Redneck on March 3, 2008 at 2:00 AM

Ah, yes, Wussy, correction, Wessy Clark. The Clintons’ pet general. Damn, that guy makes me sick.

Green 6 golf on March 3, 2008 at 2:29 AM

I am so grateful that she [Steinem] has never been trained to think.

snaggletoothie on March 3, 2008 at 2:39 AM

Damn, that guy makes me sick.

Green 6 golf on March 3, 2008 at 2:29 AM

Agreed. Im tired of him using his military service as a bludgeon while denigrating the service of others.
Beyond that, he’s already proven himself to have no loyalty to any position but whichever one the Clinton’s happen to hold at that time. It’s rather sad.

joewm315 on March 3, 2008 at 3:04 AM

Democrats have been doing this for years. It’s what they do. Some would call them gutter snipes.

John Cunningham on March 3, 2008 at 3:42 AM

Barack Hussein Obama’s reflexive refusal to honor the flag in any way may help him with liberals and blacks but will hurt him with others.

It’s not the closet Muslim thing. It’s the reflexively anti-American, pro-third world thing. McCain’s patriotic service trumps that whiny refusal to salute the flag.

It’s important information. It shows who’s side Barack Hussein Obama’s on. Which is not America’s.

whiskey_199 on March 3, 2008 at 3:49 AM

“If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the us abroad, plus her years in the Senate….”

What kind of a drooling idiot would believe crap like that much less say it with a straight face? The whole “I was a sleazy president’s wife and that’s the same as being president” absurdity needs to be called the absurd crock of s— that it is. If we had a remotely honest, ethical press, they would have already torn that nonsense to shreds.

Django on March 3, 2008 at 4:58 AM

Hillary who?

treyevans on March 3, 2008 at 5:09 AM

Secretary to an impeached, lying a$$, failed president!
Only a Democrat could brag about those credentials.
We don’t need to wonder what she took away from that lesson.

leanright on March 3, 2008 at 6:05 AM

I can’t imagine going through life hating everyone and everything around me.

It really must suck being Gloria.

Talon on March 3, 2008 at 6:32 AM

Yawn, is it November 2012?

Zorro on March 3, 2008 at 6:36 AM

My USMC son has served two combat tours in Iraq. He and everyone in the family suffered through it all. Proud of him. He did the right thing and everyone in the family agrees. He would go back if asked.

My first reaction to Gloria Steinem and Wesley Clark was to maybe unleash an obscene rant. I wll not do that today. The Billary has committed politcal suicide by association with such vile invididuals. I take great satisfaction from that. She is done.

JonRoss on March 3, 2008 at 6:37 AM

Obama’s got a nice, sizzlin’ schpeel, but can it hold up for another eight months? I doubt it. Can Hillary supporters rally around the empty hat instead of the man who runs on the same themes as Hillary? I dunno. Can the Democratic Party unite in August? Doesn’t seem like it. Seems like their years of being the opposition party has produced enough rhetoric that even they can’t agree on what’s needed anymore; only what’s not (someone with an R next to their names).

scottm on March 3, 2008 at 6:52 AM

What? She’s still alive?

pilamaye on March 3, 2008 at 7:12 AM

Steinem is a rancid pile of snake dung and Clark is one of the Clinton’s liberal flunkies who’s not fit to carry water for McCain. One can only wonder what rock these people slithered from under.

rplat on March 3, 2008 at 7:18 AM

It has not been all that long that similar comments about McCain’s service were seen in the comments section at HA.
Snark regarding his flying skills, discounting his experiences as relevant…
you know who you are.

Bradky on March 3, 2008 at 7:19 AM

Steinem really needs to get laid.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 3, 2008 at 7:22 AM

Hard to imagine; if there was any more of a damned fool to come out of the US MIlitary in the past couple of decades, I can’t think who it was.

MrLynn on March 2, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Merrill McPeak is at least competitive in that regard.

James on March 3, 2008 at 7:37 AM

Gloria Steinem is a feminist,if she believes what John
McCain went through in the prisons of North Vietnam,were he was held.Probably ever day prisoners were beaten,starved,
maybe tortured.

John McCain also had an oppurtunity to leave the prison,
but is Honour held a steely resolve,he refused.He stayed
behind untill he was released.

Gloria Steinem is a feminist,she champions womens rights,
would Gloria Steinem treat a women who was beaten and abused the same way as John McCain was treated as a prisoner of war!

canopfor on March 3, 2008 at 7:40 AM

Why such a complimentary pic of this witch from days gone by?!

Here’s something more up-to-date.

There’s no reason to be nice.

Shy Guy on March 3, 2008 at 7:41 AM

Hey, remember four years ago how we needed a vet at the top of the ticket since only people who’d seen the horrors of war could appreciate the human cost of sending men into battle?

Yep. Quick, pre-coffee hunt gave me this:

As a man [Kerry] who knows what war is like, he has tended to be more restrained in his willingness to wage it.

And who said it? Why, Ms. Steinem, of course.

Nugai on March 3, 2008 at 7:44 AM

And who said it? Why, Ms. Steinem, of course.

Nugai on March 3, 2008 at 7:44 AM

This calls for a separate HA blog entry. Yep.

Shy Guy on March 3, 2008 at 7:48 AM

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