Chickenhawk v2.0: Gloria Steinem, Wes Clark shrug at McCain’s military service

posted at 10:32 pm on March 2, 2008 by Allahpundit

Hey, remember four years ago how we needed a vet at the top of the ticket since only people who’d seen the horrors of war could appreciate the human cost of sending men into battle? Late-breaking caveat: Having seen the horrors of war isn’t quite as valuable experience-wise as picking out White House china patterns. Would a man who endorsed Waffles in 2004 explicitly on the basis of his military service really dare try this double standard vis-a-vis, of all people, John McCain? Believe it:

In the national security business, the question is, do you have — when you have served in uniform, do you really have the relevant experience for making the decisions at the top that have to be made? Everybody admires John McCain’s service as a fighter pilot, his courage as a prisoner of war. There’s no issue there. He’s a great man and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn’t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved. It may give you a feeling for what the troops are going through in the process, but it doesn’t give you the experience first hand of the national strategic issues.

If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the us abroad, plus her years in the Senate, I think she’s the most experienced and capable person in the race, not only for representing am abroad, but for dealing with the tough issues of national security.

Mind you, this is the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee he’s talking about. Consider it a Greenwaldian revision of the chickenhawk meme, one that’s been in the works ever since it dawned on the left that they wouldn’t have a vet at the top of the ticket this time while the GOP very well might: It’s not military service that’s important, it’s the right kind of military service. The Christmas in Cambodia kind.

At least Clark concedes the merits of some sort of service. Question: What’s more impressive, bearing up under routine bastinadoing by the North Vietnamese for five years — or being Bill Clinton’s secretary? You guessed wrong.

And she claimed that if Clinton’s experience as First Lady were taken seriously in relation to her White House bid, people might “finally admit that, say, being a secretary is the best way to learn your boss’s job and take it over.”…

“Suppose John McCain had been Joan McCain and Joan McCain had got captured, shot down and been a POW for eight years. [The media would ask], ‘What did you do wrong to get captured? What terrible things did you do while you were there as a captive for eight years?’” Steinem said, to laughter from the audience.

McCain was, in fact, a prisoner of war for around five-and-a-half years, during which time he was tortured repeatedly. Referring to his time in captivity, Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”…

I am so grateful that she [Clinton] hasn’t been trained to kill anybody. And she probably didn’t even play war games as a kid. It’s a great relief from Bush in his jump suit and from Kerry saluting.”

Follow the link for insights into, um, “gynocide.” Anyone here think, incidentally, that a female soldier who survived internment in McCainian conditions would be treated worse by the media than McCain was, especially in light of the way the Jessica Lynch saga was handled? Never mind hard news treatment; how many episodes of Oprah would be devoted to it? Barbara Walters specials? Beyond that, is Steinem’s ignorance of McCain’s ordeal affected, do you think, or genuine? The character credential it provides lies not in the fact that he took a beating but in the fact that he didn’t have to but preferred it to using his father’s credentials to get out of jail free while other guys stayed behind. Death before dishonor, literally.

Ed adds: Hillary Clinton has five years on the Armed Services Committee, less than a quarter of the tenure of John McCain, who has been on the panel since 1987. Not only has she never served in the military, neither did her husband, on whose administration she supposedly soaked up all of this military readiness. In terms of strategic experience, which is what the ASC addresses, McCain runs laps around Hillary Clinton.

Furthermore, it’s not as if John McCain sat silently in the Senate on foreign policy and national security issues. As he notes sometimes ad nauseam, McCain came out early to demand a change in post-invasion strategy and tactics in Iraq. He understood that the nature of the conflict had changed to a counterinsurgency and foresaw the strategy necessary to conduct it.

What did Hillary Clinton do to show her prowess at military leadership? She called General David Petraeus a liar to his face when he reported the improvements in Iraq. To date, she has refused to apologize for it, despite Petraeus being proven correct in the sharp drop in violence and the return of normalcy to Anbar and Baghdad. That kind of treatment certainly signals something to current military commanders, but not the kind of leadership in which they can have confidence.

Exit questions from AP and Ed: This’ll make for a nice pair of headlines for Hillary tomorrow, when she’s trying to keep people focused on Big Tuesday, huh? And if they’re making such lame arguments for Hillary as C-in-C, can you imagine the silliness they will offer on behalf of Barack Obama?


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McCain wasnt a fighter pilot – he flew a bomber. The “A” designation on the A-4 indicated “attack.”
General Clark should know this.
As far as Gloris Steinam, she’s so 1970′s. I saw her on the news this morning. Her 70′s look hasnt changed and neither has her 70′s message. This is the same message Hillary is putting out.
McCain may just be the last man I vote for for president. My new personal criteria is the president has to have had military service. My rule – nobody else’s.

abcurtis on March 3, 2008 at 7:51 AM

Clark is nauseating . . . he’s been running around with his head firmly implanted in the Clinton’s posterior for many years.

rplat on March 3, 2008 at 8:02 AM

Two Words Rhonda Cornham
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Just A Grunt on March 3, 2008 at 8:06 AM

Why did you put Hellen Thomas’ picture on a story about Gloria Steinem…..oh, that IS Gloria Steinem.

Alden Pyle on March 3, 2008 at 8:08 AM

Correction on spelling of name
Rhonda Cornum

Just A Grunt on March 3, 2008 at 8:09 AM

There is little to say about Wesley Clark, other than he is a pompous jackass who is pretty much a legend in his own mind. Best thing he ever did for the military was retire. The other nice thing he could do is go away and keep his mouth shut, because no one cares what he has to say about anything anyway.

As for Gloria Steinem, why is anyone bothering to even listen to anything this tired, boring, dinosaur from the past has to say about anything? The lady (sic) has contributed little to society other than have her picture plastered on the news (usually sitting next to Jane Fonda) and blathering off some bozo nonsense that the majority of society disagrees with her with anyway. She has little influence these days, other than being a question in a back edition of Trivial Pursuit. So why even bother to care what she has to say about the war, or the election, or global warming, or the price of a chow mein dinner in Las Vegas? She is irrelevant and should stay that way. Or as the kids would say these days, she is just so…………………yesterday!

pilamaye on March 3, 2008 at 8:13 AM

Clarke is an idiot, it’s really sad to say. He has some lucid moments but the man seems to self lobotomize whenever he attempts to be political in any way.

What did Hillary Clinton do to show her prowess at military leadership? She called General David Petraeus a liar to his face when he reported the improvements in Iraq.

Exactly.

Dash on March 3, 2008 at 8:18 AM

pilamaye on March 3, 2008 at 8:13 AM

bravo, couldn’t have said it better myself.

scalleywag on March 3, 2008 at 8:26 AM

Clark is the epitome of a “LOOSE CANNON”. He was so irrational that several leading officers of NATO thought he was incompetent and would actually refuse to obey his direct orders when they were delusional.

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HotAirJosef on March 3, 2008 at 8:28 AM

McCain wasnt a fighter pilot – he flew a bomber. The “A” designation on the A-4 indicated “attack.”
General Clark should know this.

abcurtis on March 3, 2008 at 7:51 AM

Any pilot (or in Navy terms, ‘naval aviator’) of a small, one or two seat aircraft is known as a fighter pilot. A bomber pilot flies an actual bomber aircraft…in our inventory, these do not exist outside of the USAF. There is no such thing as an ‘attack pilot,’ and there never was such a thing as a ‘pursuit pilot’ back when the “P” designation in P-51 indicated it was a ‘pursuit aircraft.’

There’s plenty of things to complain about with Wesley Clark…this isn’t one of them.

James on March 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM

One of the more revelaing Steinam comments from the Observer story was this:

To the Observer, Steinem insisted that “from George Washington to Jack Kennedy and PT-109 we have behaved as if killing people is a qualification for ruling people.”

And there you have the liberal definition of the Federal government: Presidents don’t govern, they rule. (btw…Anyone know her thoughts on Fidel?)

scatbug on March 3, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Interesting that the great defender of Ms. Steinam’s comments in the Observer column is mo.mama, which is a Clinton hack web site, The Democratic Daily.
Majority of the other comments think, as I do, that the ex-bunny turned opportunist was way out of line.

ztower on March 3, 2008 at 8:56 AM

Wesley Clark…the Horatio Gates of the 21st Century. Incompetent fool, blowhard, characterless, self promoting, pig headed. Besides that, he’s a good guy.

sdd on March 3, 2008 at 9:06 AM

Seems to me the lunatic left is getting worried about John McCain. Daily smear stories (unsubstantiated of course) in the NYT and now wes clark opening his yap. He couldn’t hold Senator McCains dirty laundry – when we think national policy think about it. McCain chose death before dishonor, he will hold up the highest ideals of our country, the USA (not the UN like obama/hillary), to the end.

Colonel_prop on March 3, 2008 at 9:07 AM

Righteous call, James. Let’s stick to the known facts on Clark: he ran for President with zero qualification other than his military career, and is now saying that McCain’s combat experience and 20+ year Senate career make him less qualified than housewife Hillary.

So on the bright side, at least he now knows he isn’t qualified to be the President.

Jaibones on March 3, 2008 at 9:08 AM

America needs Gloria and Wesley like a fish needs a bicycle.

TimBuk3 on March 3, 2008 at 9:10 AM

Steinem’s crack is so revolting it may help McCain almost as much as the NYT smear.

petefrt on March 3, 2008 at 9:12 AM

Shouldn’t she just be doing commercials for Replens?

D2Boston on March 3, 2008 at 9:14 AM

Joseph Heller knew Wes Clark. He thought so much of him, he included him in his famous book, “Catch-22.” Of course, he had to change his name to Dreedle.

Longhorn Six on March 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM

It’s going to be fascinating watching the full-blown development on the left of McCain Derangement Syndrome over the next eight months, given how strained the relationship is between McCain and conservatives right now. But odd are by October, those on the left will be painting the senator in hues that will make George W. Bush seem like John Edwards by comparison.

jon1979 on March 3, 2008 at 9:40 AM

These people are two boogers barely hanging onto the nose hairs of history.

True, women like Hillary and Steinem aren’t trained to kill millions of people. They have abortion doctors they support to do that messy work.

Hening on March 3, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Shouldn’t Steinem and Clark be attacking “He who must not be middle-named” instead of McCain at this point? No wonder the Hill-beast is losing the primary.

secarr on March 3, 2008 at 9:56 AM

petefrt on March 3, 2008 at 9:12 AM

“Steinem’s crack is so revolting”…appliance repairmen are green with envy.

scatbug on March 3, 2008 at 10:07 AM

The first thing that pops into my mind with regard to his time as a POW being a qualifying experience… It is more qualifying than being black or having ovaries which seem to be the main qualifiers for his Dem rivals… Just sayin’

demurejen on March 3, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Charlotte Allen’s comments about womenkind make perfect sense regarding Steinem.

infidel4life on March 3, 2008 at 10:12 AM

This will backfire beautifully on these playground level thinkers.

“John McCain learned to kill people! Ooo! Bad!”

Most Americans understand that this is what our enemies need.

Killing.

Not psychobabbling to death.

Keep talking, schmucks.

profitsbeard on March 3, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Gee, that Wes Clark sure isn’t William Tecumseh Sherman or George S. Patton.

eanax on March 3, 2008 at 10:39 AM

The first thing that pops into my mind with regard to his time as a POW being a qualifying experience… It is more qualifying than being black or having ovaries which seem to be the main qualifiers for his Dem rivals… Just sayin’

demurejen on March 3, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Debate ending comment right here, I tip my hat to you demurejen.

Alden Pyle on March 3, 2008 at 10:42 AM

gloria does look like helen thomas…go figure…wondering if ms billy clinton will apologize to Johnnie Mac….won’t hold my breath…

areseaoh on March 3, 2008 at 10:48 AM

And if they’re making such lame arguments for Hillary as C-in-C, can you imagine the silliness they will offer on behalf of Barack Obama?

Yeah. That’s where they turn Obama’s Muslim relatives into a plus.

Connie on March 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Those people are good for the conservative cause. I say give them all the camera and mic time they want. And while they’re at it, bring in Rosie, Sean and Baba Wawa. Having them represent the face of secular progressives does more for the conservative cause than Rush could ever do.

orlandocajun on March 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Hmmm… Wesley Clark… wouldn’t he be the same guy who helped to create the first EUROPEAN ISLAMIC country in Modern times?

Way to go Wes…

Romeo13 on March 3, 2008 at 11:54 AM

You guys leave Gloria alone. She has absolute moral authority. She has served!

Oldnuke on March 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM

After my brother and I had our second argument over politics he ‘excused’ me because I had been ‘so much further to the left’ than he was back in my 20′s…and he, well he’s just the same as he ever was. So is Gloria. Apparently, mental and emotional evolution is a no-no for liberals. I guess the subconscious reasoning is: If you like being nuts, and it feeeels good, then why change it?

Christine on March 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM

If anybody ever asks me why I now vote straight ticket Republican, and why I’m unlikely to ever vote for another Democrat in my life …

… I’d like to just link them to this post. It explains pretty much everything.

The Left has lost its soul. Completely.

Professor Blather on March 3, 2008 at 12:16 PM

What did Hillary Clinton do to show her prowess at military leadership? She called General David Petraeus a liar to his face when he reported the improvements in Iraq. To date, she has refused to apologize for it, despite Petraeus being proven correct in the sharp drop in violence and the return of normalcy to Anbar and Baghdad. That kind of treatment certainly signals something to current military commanders, but not the kind of leadership in which they can have confidence.

Bravo! Standing Ovation. (Literally)

Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Of course, Obama would be even worse than Hillary.

Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM

But we won’t have to worry about either one, because the next POTUS will be a Republican.

Most of you think that it will be McCain (if you even believe that he could beat Obama).

I know that it will be Huckabee.

Red Pill on March 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM

…The Left has lost its soul…

Professor Blather – with due respect I disagree. That statement implies that the left once had a soul. Speaking as a recovering liberal living in the liberal wasteland of New England…I can say that and not sound mean.

Gloria Steinem – she’s just a bitter woman who can’t let go of her glory days…she’s to be pitied really. I mean look at her…I’m not for being trendy past a certain age, but sweet jebus she could at least change her hairstyle from 1972. Her opinions are as irrelevant as her style.

KrisinNE on March 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM

But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn’t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved.

This is an awfully weak way of saying that pilots don’t count as leaders in the military. It reveals some serious spite I’d say. On that line, the current Commandant of the Marine Corps was an Air Wing man…but I suppose he knows nothing about real leadership, eh Wes?

blankminde on March 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Leave Gloria Alone! She’s had a hard time, she’s been through a divorce!

Typhonsentra on March 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM

This is an awfully weak way of saying that pilots don’t count as leaders in the military. It reveals some serious spite I’d say.

blankminde on March 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM

The debate about this on military message boards is legendary, so Clark’s not dropping any real bombshells here. Officers in other Services and other specialities in the AF take leadership roles much sooner in their careers than pilots do. Pilots counter that they seem to do OK with substituting crew and formation leadership early in their careers, to the point where they can step into a senior leadership role at the O-5 and above level without too much problem.

I’m bowing out of making any calls on this, but suffice to say it’s nothing novel to consider pilot wings as ‘Universal Management Badges’ and likewise nothing novel to deride them as such…it just depends on what side of the debate you’re on.

James on March 3, 2008 at 1:56 PM

But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn’t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved.

This is an awfully weak way of saying that pilots don’t count as leaders in the military. It reveals some serious spite I’d say. On that line, the current Commandant of the Marine Corps was an Air Wing man…but I suppose he knows nothing about real leadership, eh Wes?

blankminde on March 3, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Hmmmm. That could be a slap at both McCain (the public target and the one the media will feast upon) and at Obama’s Clintonian military advisor Merrill “Tony” McPeak, who was a real proponent of the “fighter pilots are kings” philosophy while he was in charge of the AF.

funky chicken on March 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM

News Flash.
Gloria Steinam is a phony leftist who uses the feminist hussel to advance her leftist agenda.

Clarence Thomas – Bad // Bill Clinton – Good
Kerry/Gore -Good // McCain- bad
Do you see a pattern here?

RobCon on March 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM

Hee Haw Damien on March 3, 2008 at 12:44 AM

heh

Really, I think MB4 is this guy:
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/29/Worldandnation/Some_people_just_love.shtml

funky chicken on March 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Steinem said with bewilderment, “I mean, hello? This is supposed to be a qualification to be president? I don’t think so.”

She expresses herself like a petulant teenager. Maybe she should give herself a time out for the next 20 years or so.

Mulligan on March 3, 2008 at 5:51 PM

Did yall hear Glenn Beck on this today? Among other things he called her a “crazy b*tch” about 3 times. I have never heard him that mad before.

Surely CNN will not look kindly upon that? I mean technically it’s true, but there is a way to say it.

Anyone else hear him?

Rightwingsparkle on March 3, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Gloria got a divorce?

I’m shocked.

Rightwingsparkle on March 3, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Gloria is Irrelevant, as she just proved.

coleporter on March 3, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Did yall hear Glenn Beck on this today? Among other things he called her a “crazy b*tch” about 3 times. I have never heard him that mad before.

Surely CNN will not look kindly upon that? I mean technically it’s true, but there is a way to say it.

Anyone else hear him?

Rightwingsparkle on March 3, 2008 at 5:55 PM

yes, i did. WOW was he ripe! i wish HotAir posted that rant! Whew!

but, ya know…it’s amazing. i normally cant stand the childish responses and toilet-humor,jokes, and put downs, but for the life of me, i simply can’t find a better word to describe Gloria Steinem than…a Douche Bag. And While im at it… That dang Wes Clark shure has some purty eyes…ain’t he?

HunnyWaggin on March 3, 2008 at 9:45 PM

Any pilot (or in Navy terms, ‘naval aviator’) of a small, one or two seat aircraft is known as a fighter pilot. A bomber pilot flies an actual bomber aircraft…in our inventory, these do not exist outside of the USAF. There is no such thing as an ‘attack pilot,’…-James

Oh really? Well I would argue that all the pilots and NFOs who flew A-6 Intruder “attack” jets would disagree. A-4 , A-6, AV-8B, are not fighter jets they are attack jets. Check your facts James before you spout such crap. Major Dad.

tree hugging sister on March 3, 2008 at 9:50 PM

James,
You are clueless on both the overall set of responsibilities a Naval Aviator has (there is MUCH more than just flying) as well as what a “fighter pilot” is. Most A-4/A-7/A-6 pilots or B/Ns would consider it an insult to be called a “fighter pilot.”

exhelodrvr on March 3, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Seems to me the lunatic left is getting worried about John McCain. Daily smear stories (unsubstantiated of course) in the NYT and now wes clark opening his yap. He couldn’t hold Senator McCains dirty laundry – when we think national policy think about it. McCain chose death before dishonor, he will hold up the highest ideals of our country, the USA (not the UN like obama/hillary), to the end.

Colonel_prop on March 3, 2008 at 9:07 AM

The Democrats have more problems going into the general election than they seem to know. I think a few are taking a look at the electoral map and are finally coming to a realization.

That silly story about whether McCain was a true “natural born” citizen shows how desperate some of them are becoming. There are few “handles” on McCain for the smear machine to grab onto so they’re digging below the gutter.

Call me psychic or psycho, if McCain runs a smart campaign — no major mistakes — he will win in November.

But does McCain have any coattails?

prairiemain on March 4, 2008 at 7:32 AM

Oh really? Well I would argue that all the pilots and NFOs who flew A-6 Intruder “attack” jets would disagree. A-4 , A-6, AV-8B, are not fighter jets they are attack jets. Check your facts James before you spout such crap. Major Dad.

tree hugging sister on March 3, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Read my post again…I allowed that the A-series jets are called ‘attack jets.’ The pilots, however, are not, were not, and never will be called attack pilots.

James,
You are clueless on both the overall set of responsibilities a Naval Aviator has (there is MUCH more than just flying) as well as what a “fighter pilot” is.

exhelodrvr on March 3, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Yeah, no kidding there’s ‘much more than flying.’ A pedantic list would include everything from RSU to PME to Snacko. These are called ‘additional duties’ and their level of involvement in them varies, even to the point of sometimes interfering with the primary duty of flying. However, it is not an exact match for having a primary duty of leading troops.

Most A-4/A-7/A-6 pilots or B/Ns would consider it an insult to be called a “fighter pilot.”

And I guarantee you’d get a fist in the face a lot quicker for calling them bomber pilots.

James on March 4, 2008 at 7:39 AM

Wesley Clark…the Horatio Gates of the 21st Century. Incompetent fool, blowhard, characterless, self promoting, pig headed. Besides that, he’s a good guy.

sdd on March 3, 2008 at 9:06 AM

I would say you almost got it right.

If you substitute disgrace to be called General
for

he’s a good guy

,
then you would have made a direct hit!

belad on March 4, 2008 at 9:44 AM

Yawn….

This is Gloria Steinam’s version of a “leaked” sex tape. It is about the only way this forgettable person from 3 decades ago is able to generate attention. Next week she’ll be speaking out against puppies and icecream.

“The only thing I can’t stand is discomfort.”
Gloria Steinam

If Gloria Steinam wishes to touch the 3rd rail of political discourse by impuning a legitimate war hero…go for it Gloria. Keep talking drivel.

Now on to Wesley Clark: “For Clark is an honorable man,
So are they all, all honorable men…. ”
W.S.

Wesley Clark strikes me as an unprincipled opportunist. But I frankly don’t know the man, so I defer to someone who does know him quite well.

Was Wesley Clark removed from his job Supreme Allied Commander, Europe for lack of integrity and character issues? “Retired General Hugh Shelton was asked the same question after giving a talk at a college in California. Shelton, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was Clark’s boss in 1999 when Clark was unceremoniously told that he was being removed from his position as Supreme Allied Commander, Europe. “I’ve known Wes for a long time,” Shelton said. “I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. . . .”

Source: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031117fa_fact

“He was my friend, faithful and just to me.
But Clark says he was ambitious,
And Clark is an honorable man.”

moxie_neanderthal on March 4, 2008 at 1:02 PM

“What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate,” was the question put to him by moderator Dick Henning, assuming that all military men stood in support of each other. General Shelton took a drink of water and Henning said, “I noticed you took a drink on that one!”

“That question makes me wish it were vodka,” said Shelton. “I’ve known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I’m not going to say whether I’m a Republican or a Democrat. I’ll just say Wes won’t get my vote.”

moxie_neanderthal on March 4, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Putzes

Buttercup on March 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM

And if they’re making such lame arguments for Hillary as C-in-C, can you imagine the silliness they will offer on behalf of Barack Obama?

“He’ll bring hope and change not only to us downright mean peasants, but also to the *shudder* military *spits* as well.”

OneGyT on March 5, 2008 at 11:53 AM

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