Audio: A very special message from Obama’s pastor; Update: Or is it?
posted at 2:02 pm on March 1, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Old old old news — so old, in fact, that Rolling Stone covered it in February of last year — but thanks to McCain’s Hagee-related jerkiness and the left’s highly nuanced dudgeon about it, everything old is new again. “Say, big A, doesn’t that make this a tu quoque?” Yes and no: Obama buddying up to Wright doesn’t let Maverick off the hook, and it surely doesn’t make His Holiness responsible for everything Wright’s said (although follow the link to Protein Wisdom and judge for yourself which man is closer personally to the ‘monger of his choice), but it does remind us that indignation about hate-by-association tends, curiously, to be more partisan than one might otherwise predict.
Dan Collins says he’s keen to have this list of fun facts about America presented to Obama for approval or disagreement, but I’m willing to compromise on just the one asserting that “we started the AIDS virus.” Your exit question: If “I don’t agree with everything he says” works for liberal Jesus, how come it doesn’t work for McCain?
Update: A reader e-mails to say the clip isn’t of Jeremiah Wright but of Granderson Wright and offers these two clips for comparison. I can’t tell; Rolling Stone evidently thinks it’s Jeremiah since they haven’t updated their story and surely would have been tipped to this by now. In any case, exercise caution. And do read the Protein Wisdom links, as the objections to Obama’s association with Wright hardly hinge on this clip.
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More name calling?
Zorro on March 1, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Now I understand where Michelle Obama gets material for her “speeches”.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM
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I don’t know the answer to that, in fact I’m actually getting the impression that the media holds Republicans to a different standard or something.
I know that sounds odd, but I just can’t shake that feeling.
billy on March 1, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Even the media knows the republicans are the adults up in DC; so they are treated as such. Acting responsibly (for the most part) has its downsides as well.
lorien1973 on March 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM
I can’t speak for God, but I know I’m fed up with that s**t!
The mean old rich white man crap is getting very old.
Les in NC on March 1, 2008 at 2:22 PM
If that’s the preacher with barry he isn’t even mostly black. Sounds like self hatred to me.
peacenprosperity on March 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM
And Obama is a member of this pastor’s church? Presumably to find spiritual uplifting and consolation?
Ugh.
Yep, McCain needs to completely denounce Hagee. His half-hearted (to me) distancing isn’t enough.
But of the two associations, as Ricky Ricardo would say, Obama’s got some “splaining to do.”
SteveMG on March 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM
From Obama’s big faith speech at the partly government funded UCC convention for which there is an investigation going on.
A Politics of Conscience
This Saul Alinsky acolyte has some nerve talking about faith being hijacked.
ninjapirate on March 1, 2008 at 2:37 PM
That joker is a rabble rousing revolutionary. Things are going to get really nasty.
rplat on March 1, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Dang, this is a killer. Bambi, the hope for racial healing is going to have to distance himself from this, I mean really distance himself from it. Farrakan was easier to dismiss, his pastor is not. White people in the middle of the political spectrum need to hear him outright refute this garbage, or he cannot win the general.
Not suporting the Palestinian state? Oy! There goes the Jewish vote.
C’mon Hillary circulate the video for us…
Theworldisnotenough on March 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Obama: Running on that age-old “I hate this fucking country” platform. Is it gonna work?
Rational Thought on March 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM
are the obamanics so anti-america, anti-bush, anti-social that this un-vetted, un-tested, un-known political newcomer would become president? if so, these are dangerous, strange and sad times for US.
jimmer on March 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Oh the humanity!!
labrat on March 1, 2008 at 2:48 PM
What a freaking psycho!!!
Eclectic on March 1, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Why would someone who says, as Obama does, that we need to transcend racial and ethnic and ideological differences to solve this country’s problems be a member of a church where the complete opposite is preached?
This question needs to be answered right now.
And to be sure, I can hear the howls right now from the Glen Greenwalds and the Josh Marshalls that this is racism or bigotry or red baiting (black baiting?) by the Right.
Well, too bad. The stakes are too high.
Liberals for decades have looked away at the involvement of (some) black churches in politics and in promoting such ugly stuff. Again, some black churches; I’m being judicious with my statement.
Well, their ignorance will now have to stop.
They won’t like it; but too bad.
SteveMG on March 1, 2008 at 2:51 PM
“Well, their ignorance will now have to stop.”
SteveMG on March 1, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Not sure on that one, I see them being to heavily invested in blind ignorance of basic reality to change course now.
bbz123 on March 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
As long as someone can put the blame on someone else for their problems, it’s never going to stop.
Les in NC on March 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
You all are actually worried Obama will win? Go ahead, lose sleep, I’m feeling great. Thanks, Pastor!
leftnomore on March 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM
What I just listened to sounded like it came straight from the gates of hell. I am not qualified to say in certainity but I do know Jesus was humble and not prejudice as to one’s race, color, gender, etc.
I do not feel this “Pastor” is a man of God, period. I do feel Obama’s association with him says that he is in agreement with him.
Hagee does not either speak as a true man of God in his hate speech towards carholics, where he shows his ignorance.
My exit question to Allah: What are you talking about when you say liberal Jesus? I found that offensive. If you don’t know Jesus, then don’t speak, yes, free country, I know that, but be intelligent and informed before you write.
Maybe this is why some posters write some of the things they do.
Conservatives R Us on March 1, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Isn’t Oprah a member of this “church” too?
CrimsonFisted on March 1, 2008 at 3:08 PM
It believe he was joking.
ninjapirate on March 1, 2008 at 3:09 PM
I believe by “liberal Jesus” he was referring to Obamaramadingdong and not the ACTUAL Jesus.
CrimsonFisted on March 1, 2008 at 3:11 PM
AP,
thanks for the ‘lanche. I thought it a good find from Dan. It’s one thing to read some excerpt from Rolling Stone, but quite another to hear the whole thing.
Conservatives R Us,
While I understand why some people of faith get upset at some of AP’s posts regarding religion, it seemed clear to me that “liberal Jesus” was being used as a change-up from “Obamessiah” and such, not as a comment on Jesus.
Karl on March 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM
My mother is a true Democrat, union supporting, Bush hating voter. Yet, she confided in me last night that she is supporting McCain. Her feelings towards Obama center around her belief that he is a Muslim (or at least not a true Christian as he claims), and is not a true American (probably on the Hillary e-mail list).
All I know is that McCain has brought together two family members that have not been able to discuss politics civilly since Bubba Clinton first was elected.
Hening on March 1, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Yes — and Obama is her first political endorsement.
Coincidence.
Karl on March 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Yeah, “liberal Jesus” has been used here as a synonym for “the Messiah” before.
Allahpundit on March 1, 2008 at 3:14 PM
I’m not a big Steve Sailer fan, but he quotes from Obama’s book on that subject.
Karl on March 1, 2008 at 3:18 PM
There a list of his top 10 somewhere? I am having a hard time understanding what he is saying.
wrath187 on March 1, 2008 at 3:18 PM
Conservatives R Us, I usually just avoid these types of discussions as they do go downhill very quickly with no one to step on the brakes.
I’m just relieved that Pastor Jeremiah Wright isn’t Catholic.
Zorro on March 1, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Here’s a transcript
nottakingsides on March 1, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Same here, wrath187. Has some one transcribed this?
Be Reasonable on March 1, 2008 at 3:30 PM
oh sorry and thanks :o)
Be Reasonable on March 1, 2008 at 3:31 PM
Doesn’t make sense, does it. It puts Obama’s authenticity squarely at issue.
Electing someone who believes in what his church preaches would throw this country into violent turmoil.
petefrt on March 1, 2008 at 3:33 PM
This is probably Wright on a good day and “on record” with a prepared sermon. Imagine getting this guy really worked up in a one-on-one and he’s speaking off-the-cuff…..whew!
nottakingsides on March 1, 2008 at 3:34 PM
How much money did it cost us to give up on those inner cities?
What was the Great Society?
mylegsareswollen on March 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM
Here’s a transcript
nottakingsides on March 1, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Thank you
wrath187 on March 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM
“Fact #9: We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that third-world people live in grinding poverty!”
There it is, the belief that there is a finite amount of wealth in the world and that success for one by definition entails failure for another. This of course underlies the leftist notion that wealth must be redistributed, a core tenet of Senator Obama’s policies.
KGB on March 1, 2008 at 3:54 PM
I’ve been wondering about that for years. I had heard that there is a tension in the black community between lighter skinned blacks and darker skinned blacks — I don’t know about what — but it’s funny to me to see a guy who appears to be as white as my French Canadian butt rapping all his race hate about whites and racist America.
Methinks he doth protest too loudly.
Jaibones on March 1, 2008 at 4:36 PM
everything old is new again, indeed
ya can fool some of the sheeple all the time.. yada yada
soros has to be grinning from ear to ear..
normsrevenge on March 1, 2008 at 4:53 PM
And who’s fault is that?? Did we hold a gun to their heads and force them to commit crime?
Be Reasonable on March 1, 2008 at 4:58 PM
This is Obama’s Pastor..
Hagee is NOT McCain’s Pastor.
Chakra Hammer on March 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM
That’s because he’s not black, and neither is Obama. They might be Black, but they aren’t black.
fourstringfuror on March 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
I’ve got to ask: does anyone else get the growing feeling that Obama is an experiment on how much America will swallow?
shibumiglass on March 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM
This has been used in the Rolling Stone and Fox News. Has this been “refuted” by anyone besides one blog troll? Is there anything from the Obama campaign about it?
Stephanie makes a post here on Jan 23, here on Jan 25, and here on Jan 31. The rest have been within the week.
ninjapirate on March 1, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Why does a google search for “Granderson Wright” “Jeremiah Wright” only result in this troll?
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Granderson+Wright%22+%22Jeremiah+Wright%22
ninjapirate on March 1, 2008 at 6:48 PM
BTW, in that fox news troll she says “2.) Here’s a vid of Granderson Wright — I think it’s the same voice as 1:” She didn’t know for a fact back then. She called the UCC a “mainstream denomination” in one link and “I’m willing to bet that if he was spewing that nonsense, the UCC would put a stop to it.” I doubt that, the UCC exists to baptize liberal politics.
ninjapirate on March 1, 2008 at 6:55 PM
Re: the Update
It’s worth noting that the online Rolling Stone story carries a correction regarding the Obama/madrassa point. If the reporter had the wrong Wright, I would think camp Obama would have raised that objection as well.
Moreover, the author of the Rolling Stone story clearly is making an eyewitness report of the sermon. The Rev. Granderson Wright is apparently not affiliated with Obama’s church. So what are the odds that the Rev. Granderson Wright was doing the sermon in Obama’s church on the day that RS was there?
Here’s what the alt-weekly the Stranger wrote about it:
The fact that Obama’s church posts YouTube clips where Wright sounds mild-mannered is no more dispositive than a clip of the Rev. Granderson Wright sounding fired up, but not saying the same thing the RS writer attributed directly to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright as an eyewitness.
Alternatively, left-leaning mags like RS and the Stranger are secretly part of the VRWC and have not updated my phone list yet.
Karl on March 1, 2008 at 6:58 PM
I take that back somewhat, there was a guy in the Spectator who was conservative yet was part of the UCC but bemoaned what was going on in the national denomination. UCC is congregational, so there is leeway for each individual church.
ninjapirate on March 1, 2008 at 7:06 PM
Sunday is the most segregated day in America. I’m sure god is sick of that, too.
SouthernGent on March 1, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Not at my church.
baldilocks on March 1, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Obama’s preacher may be a ranting, hateful nut but at least he is not a mormon.
RobCon on March 1, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Ditto here. The “typical corporate America” companies I consult for or have worked for, from private startups to multi-billion dollar corporations, are no more diverse (and frequently much less diverse) than the congregation at my church.
In my opinion, any discussion of “race” is, in itself, racist.
Get Answers: Racism
Red Pill on March 1, 2008 at 11:23 PM
I also can’t stand those forms that require you to check a box for your race.
What if each of your four grandparents was from a different one of the “race groups” they tell you to pick from? What “race” are you in that case?
Which box am I supposed to check to indicate that my mother’s maternal grandmother was born on a riverboat on the Amazon river? (Truthfully, she was).
We are all one blood, one race. It’s the racists who always try to bring “race” into every discussion. If we were truly living out Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s dream, we wouldn’t even talk about people’s skin color. We would talk only about the content of their character.
Amen to that.
Red Pill on March 1, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Amen, baldi. Mine, neither.
Jaibones on March 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Get real. Putting that PC pseudo-science in your head perpetuates the problem. Better we start being honest, accurate and open with each other, judging people by the content of character.
petefrt on March 2, 2008 at 8:38 AM
Barack’s got some ’splainin’ to do.
Race-baiting is such a HOPEful CHANGE.
profitsbeard on March 2, 2008 at 2:23 PM