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Arabs to UN: Scold Israel for hitting Gaza back!

posted at 9:15 pm on March 1, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The Arab League has demanded — and received — an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council following the Israeli counterattack on Gaza. They want the UNSC to issue a condemnation for Israel’s military action, which has killed over 70 Gazans, essentially blaming Israel for responding to the continuing volley of rocket attacks on Sderot and Ashkelon:

The U.N. Security Council is meeting in emergency session at the request of the Palestinians and their Arab supporters who want the U.N.’s most powerful body to condemn the Israeli attack on Gaza and call for a cease-fire.

Council members met behind closed doors Saturday night, though the Arab League’s U.N. observer, Yahya Mahmassani, said its members want an open meeting to protest the Israeli attack.

The UNSC will not likely issue any kind of resolution, mostly because the US and UK are not going to blame Israel for finally responding to the continuing provocations of Hamas. They have launched rockets continuously from Gaza at Sderot since the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza three years ago. The Israelis acted with restraint until the launchers targeted Ashkelon this week, a much larger city, as an escalation of their attacks.

Now they want to haul dead civilians in front of journalists to complain about the Israeli counterattack. That might work except for two points. First, Gazans deliberately targeted Israeli civilians in Sderot and Ashkelon, or at the very least didn’t bother to target anything at all and had no worries whether they killed women and children. Second, the Gazans locate their rocket launchers in civilian centers, essentially using women and children as human shields.

The Arabs want to handcuff the Israelis while the Gazans continue shelling them. If the Arabs really wanted to keep Gazan civilians alive, they would get Hamas to quit launching rockets at Israeli cities. If the Gazans, led by Hamas, want to make acts of war, then they should quit crying when their enemy hits them back.


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I wish Israel would give everyone in Gaza 48 hours to get out, then flatten the place, and give the UN the finger when it complains.

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GT on March 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Pray tell – what is a “non-civilian” in Gaza?

TooTall on March 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Thankfully the all-powerful UN does such a wonderful job at enforcing resolutions.

Cold Steel on March 1, 2008 at 9:20 PM

I thought the muslim’s wanted us out of their business? Are we in or are we out? In, out, in, out… I want to get off this merry go round.

Hog Wild on March 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM

It’s customary that when one side of a conflict engages in war like acts, the other side follows suit. I don’t see a problem here.

Zorro on March 1, 2008 at 9:22 PM

If the U.N. just sent some blue helmets into Gaza, then they could do the raping that the IDF won’t.

VolMagic on March 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM

I wish Israel would just kick the Palestinians out of Gaza. Give them seven days’ warning, then do it.

What rights do murderers and their aides have, really?!?

HotAirJosef on March 1, 2008 at 9:25 PM

I wish Israel would give everyone in Gaza 48 hours to get out, then flatten the place, and give the UN the finger when it complains.

GT on March 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM

My thoughts exactly.

Let’s see how long it takes Bush and Condi to tell Israel to “be nice” to the “peace lovers”.

TOPV on March 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM

How can the world take Hamas seriously? They continously bomb Israel to no complaints from the world community. Israel strikes back and then we have an emergency UN meeting?

Tell you what. Let’s relocate the UN from New York. Put them in Gaza.

Then nuke Gaza.

cannonball on March 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM

Well done, Israel. Now, Gaza, knock it off if you don’t want to be knocked off.

The “funny” thing? Everyone knows Israel will stop attacking if the Palestinians do. And everyone knows the reverse isn’t true. Yet Israel is the aggressor.

Christoph on March 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Ditto GT.

No, wait: Ditto cannonball.

Lee on March 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM

TooTall on March 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Interesting point: the Jordyptians (I won’t dignify a fake people by using the name they give themselves) of HAMAS and PA claim that they don’t target civilians – out of one side of their mouths – while saying from the other side that there are “no civilians” in Israel. At the same time, these two groups act as if their own people are nothing more than war materiel, as they continue to launch attacks from population centers.

But when the Israelis hit back, the Jordyptians trot out infant corpses to a media that is all too willing to take sides. When you read items that Charles Johnson (LGF) wrote about who funds Reuters, and articles on the Second Draft site about “Pallywood“, you begin to see that the media’s “side” has been bought and paid for. Meanwhile, as long as only innocent Israelis are getting killed, no one in the media gives a damn.

HAMAS and the PA have proven many times that they are nothing more than power and money-hungry thugs, who wet themselves the moment that the IDF actually responds to the violence continually inflicted on Israeli civilians.

And don’t even get me started about how these thugs then expect Israel to keep borders open so they can work…

/sigh

Wanderlust on March 1, 2008 at 9:35 PM

If the UN didn’t care for Bush, they’re really not gonna care for Mav.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 1, 2008 at 9:39 PM

Israel has the right to respond in any fashion they please.
If, for an example on the Canadain side, a group was firing rockets over on to the American side,and after repeated
warnings from the American to cease firing and the Canadain
were powerless to stop the rockets!

How long do you think it would take for a US airstrike to
stop the rockets from killing innocent Americans,as an
example.

And for the record in this example,if we Canadians couldn’t
stop it,I would hope the Americans would!

So can you imagine day to day,going to the store,takin your
child to school,and this kind of lunacy of terror is going on in Israel!

canopfor on March 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Aengus to Arabs: Back off you stupid, ignorant bastards.

aengus on March 1, 2008 at 9:46 PM

Allan Alda Ackbar

mred on March 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Then nuke Gaza.

That would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Jews.

aengus on March 1, 2008 at 9:50 PM

If America want the UN to condemn terror states, here’s the plan. Have the CIA or some other cracker jack organization set
off an explosion and them blame it on the terrorists. These idiots won’t d anything to help free societies, until their own personal security is in question.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM

When you drive the get-away car while your neighbors rob the local bank, you are not an innocent bystander.

When you stand around and watch while your neighbors launch rockets into Israel, you are not an innocent bystander, you are an accomplice, even when all you do is stand there and catch bullets.

If your neighbors are launching rockets into Israel, it’s time to move somewhere else, or get some new neighbors.

rockhauler on March 1, 2008 at 10:01 PM

The Arab League and the UN can go to hell. Israel waited far to long before hitting Gaza. Now Israel needs to eliminate the attacks and inflict a devastating loss to the terrorists. The time for being nice and talking peace is over.

Ragnarok on March 1, 2008 at 10:05 PM

A CNN headline says

Palestinian representative warns the attacks may derail the peace process

. Gee, we wouldn’t want that to happen now, would we ?

JonRoss on March 1, 2008 at 10:10 PM

I wish Israel would give everyone in Gaza 48 hours to get out, then flatten the place, and give the UN the finger when it complains.

.

GT on March 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM

To get out where exactly? Considering they can’t really go anywhere, what exactly are you advocating? Genocide?

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Pray tell – what is a “non-civilian” in Gaza?

TooTall on March 1, 2008 at 9:19 PM

A toddler that isn’t strong enough to hold his first RPG.

They want the UNSC to issue a condemnation for Israel’s military action, which has killed over 70 Gazans, essentially blaming Israel for responding to the continuing volley of rocket attacks on Sderot and Ashkelon

Gazans? Eh? If it were 70 Gonzos, that would be a different story.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Ragnarok, I agree with your comments and one of them bears repeating. The Arab League and the UN can go to hell. I am truly weary of the UN. Any American politician who shows any respect or deference to that pack of thugs needs their ass kicked.

JonRoss on March 1, 2008 at 10:18 PM

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

They seem to be good at cutting holes in the security fences and flooding into Egypt.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:20 PM

They seem to be good at cutting holes in the security fences and flooding into Egypt.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Yeah, I am sure 48 hours will be enough to evacuate 1.4 million people.

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Gosh, Captain.

That is a distinctly un-nuanced view. I really expected better of you. I’m starting to wonder if you belong in the big leagues of blogging.

Of course the terrorists should be able to attack Israel without fear of negative consequences (kinda like liberals and the right to free speech).

What you seem to forget is that the Jooooos are descended from pigs and apes. They’re also running the whole world. They also drink the blood of Palestinian children. And they’re eeevil Zionists.

Besides, Allah is cool with it. The deity, not the blogger.

misterpeasea on March 1, 2008 at 10:24 PM

The U.N. Security Council is meeting in emergency session at the request of the Palestinians United States and their Arab legal Hispanic citizen supporters who want the U.N.’s most powerful body to condemn the Israeli Republic of Mexico’s attackinvasion of Gaza the United States and call for a cease-fire withdrawl of their illegal citizens.

Can we at least not ask for the same?

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2008 at 10:25 PM

“Yeah, I am sure 48 hours will be enough to evacuate 1.4 million people.

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:23 PM”

Uhm. They’ve had about 60 years to evacuate. They could go anywhere else in the Middle East or North Africa, anyway. Wouldn’t their Arab brethren welcome them with open arms?

Wait. Why, again, have they been in refugee camps for six decades? If I didn’t know any better, I’d say their Arab brothers were intentionally keeping them in those miserable conditions to exacerbate tensions between Jews and Muslims.

But they wouldn’t do that to their brothers, would they?

misterpeasea on March 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM

So mycowardass, what is your solution ? Teach those Jews a lesson for daring to defend themselves ? Maybe a UN sponsored pogram of Tel Aviv would do the trick.

JonRoss on March 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM

misterpeasea on March 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Exactly. Well stated, my Zionist-supporting bastard brother!

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Time for Israel to open a big can of whoop-ass on these slimeballs.

cjs1943 on March 1, 2008 at 10:33 PM

If the Arabs really wanted to keep Gazan civilians alive, they would get Hamas to quit launching rockets at Israeli cities.

Yeah, well, that’s a thought. But I shan’t hold my breath.

This tiresome conflict is never going to end, is it? The Palestinians have the will but not the means to end it. And the Israelis have the means but not the will.

I predict that a solution continues to evade us, and that we have ongoing, low-level attrition ad infinitum. Of course that’s not so much a prediction as it is a statement of the wildly obvious.

paul006 on March 1, 2008 at 10:35 PM

My question: What is Barry Milhouse Obama’s response? Is he willing to commit troops? Last time I checked, organizations that are denoted as terrorist or terror-supporting by our government are freely operating in the territory.

Waiting for a response in 5..4..3..

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Wait. Why, again, have they been in refugee camps for six decades? If I didn’t know any better, I’d say their Arab brothers were intentionally keeping them in those miserable conditions to exacerbate tensions between Jews and Muslims.

But they wouldn’t do that to their brothers, would they?

misterpeasea on March 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Well said. 100% agreement. They hate Americans, but we are the only ones who help them out. Their Arab ‘philanthropists’ are more concerned with the price of oil than relieving suffering of ‘Palestinians’.

ThackerAgency on March 1, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Palestinian representative warns the attacks may derail the peace process.

The actual question is:
What peace process?

Go, IDF. have at it.

mjk on March 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM

They hate Americans, but we are the only ones who help them out.

ThackerAgency on March 1, 2008 at 10:39 PM

The United States has pledged so much support and resources for these people. Where has the majority of it ended up? Ask Suha Arafat. If there was ever a case for subjugating a people to drive a political movement…..

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:41 PM

What peace process?

Go, IDF. have at it.

mjk on March 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Exactly. Any news on that Israeli soldier that was captured a while back? Still being held captive?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:42 PM

This goes back to the fact that “our” enemy does not wear a uniform, unless you don’t like green, but none the less, there is not a pre-school, kindergarden, kids TV show, elementary school, high school, college, trade school, local barber shop in Gaza, or the Arab Street that does not teach “Kill the Jews, Praise allh (sic)!!!”

Get the picture? Everyday that goes by, you have an other inborn recruit. Not that they are choosing to do so, they are being taught.

Does anyone remember, back a few years, we pumped millions into the region, armed them for their own police force, signed pieces of paper, the photo shoots, etc., etc.?

Arafat died of Aids as one of the richest men in the world and his people still suffer…… Nice.

Give them an option…….. Live in Peace, or Die.

Your move.

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Israeli response to UNSC condemnation: “Piss off”

mojo on March 1, 2008 at 10:44 PM

Who’s up for building the Third Jewish Temple?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Remind me again why we blong to and fund this organization…

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 10:53 PM

To get out where exactly? Considering they can’t really go anywhere, what exactly are you advocating? Genocide?

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Moslems consider themselves all part of a single nation. The nation that they’ve made for the most part Judenrein (about everywhere but Morocco). The Philistines should go live in the rest of that nation, be it Egypt, Jordan, the Lebanon or wherever.

To say that Arab lands can be free of Jews but Jewish lands can’t be free of Arabs is ridiculous. (But how it is in this crazy Dunya.)

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Who’s up for building the Third Jewish Temple?

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Without the Messiah? Without the Priesthood?

You can’t just get any old guy named “Cohen” and tell him “build, man, build!”

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Arafat died of Aids as one of the richest men in the world and his people still suffer…… Nice.

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2008 at 10:43 PM

…and his widow received millions with which she lives lavishly in Paris.

Entelechy on March 1, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Remind me again why we blong to and fund this organization…

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 10:53 PM

To keep the devil/s in our bosom.

Entelechy on March 1, 2008 at 11:00 PM

I don’t understatnd why Israel does not demand that those condemning her retaliatory strikes should put boots on the ground in Gaza and enforce a “no rocket” resolution.

mylegsareswollen on March 1, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Angelina Jolie to appear on behalf of the oppressed Gazans in 5..4..3..2..1..

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 1, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Uhm. They’ve had about 60 years to evacuate. They could go anywhere else in the Middle East or North Africa, anyway. Wouldn’t their Arab brethren welcome them with open arms?

Wait. Why, again, have they been in refugee camps for six decades? If I didn’t know any better, I’d say their Arab brothers were intentionally keeping them in those miserable conditions to exacerbate tensions between Jews and Muslims.

But they wouldn’t do that to their brothers, would they?

misterpeasea on March 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Why should they evacuate? If anything, refugees should be allowed to go back home or be compensated and relocated.

The surrounding Arabs have not being kind to the Palestinian, and definitely exploit them. That doesn’t mean Palestinians should relocate. Refugees should be allowed to go home. Doesn’t matter what Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon does. Note that in that last sentence, two of those countries happen to be our allies.

Moslems consider themselves all part of a single nation. The nation that they’ve made for the most part Judenrein (about everywhere but Morocco). The Philistines should go live in the rest of that nation, be it Egypt, Jordan, the Lebanon or wherever.

To say that Arab lands can be free of Jews but Jewish lands can’t be free of Arabs is ridiculous. (But how it is in this crazy Dunya.)

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM

They should not have go to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the States, Europe, Canada, Iran, or whatever state you want to pick. I don’t understand why you want them to relocate elsewhere.

Plus, this Arab land free of Jew vs Jewish land free of Arabs is quite dangerous. Again, are you saying that the 20% of Israelis that are not Jewish don’t have a right to be there, i.e. should be expelled?

Last I checked, Israel is supposed to be a Democracy, for that matter the only true democracy in the Mideast. So if they have Muslims, Christians, or Hindus on their land, and those people are citizens, it looks to me as these people have a right to stay. As for the people in the occupied territories, the solution is to either have 1 state or 2 states. Anything else will most likely degenerate into genocide or massive refugee problems.

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 11:14 PM

It’s just too bad that a conventional Israeli nuke would leave too much collateral damage… but the rabbit-people really do seem to be in need a little “tough-love”… I guess we’re past the plain old ass-whipping stage, huh?

Gartrip on March 1, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Plus, this Arab land free of Jew vs Jewish land free of Arabs is quite dangerous. Again, are you saying that the 20% of Israelis that are not Jewish don’t have a right to be there, i.e. should be expelled?

Last I checked, Israel is supposed to be a Democracy, for that matter the only true democracy in the Mideast. So if they have Muslims, Christians, or Hindus on their land, and those people are citizens, it looks to me as these people have a right to stay. As for the people in the occupied territories, the solution is to either have 1 state or 2 states. Anything else will most likely degenerate into genocide or massive refugee problems.

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 11:14 PM

If you want to start talking percentages, bear in mind (though it’s rarely mentioned) that around 50% of Israeli families did not come from Europe but are and always have been from the Middle East, from places such as Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and so forth. These are places they’ve been kicked or driven out of and cannot live safely. It is the drivers-out who began the partition of the region into Jewish lands and Arab lands, and they must live with that just as much as the other party.

As for Israel’s being a democracy, it’s a Jewish democracy and its raison d’être is to be a Jewish state, a place of refuge for Jews driven out of places like the above, a place run by and for Jews.

So, am I saying that the Arabs should be expelled? That’s up to the Israelis, the Jews, the people the land and democracy belong to. If they want to be Arabenrein and do so in a peaceful way, I have no problem with that. If I were an Israeli, I’d say give them a year’s notice and pay everyone four times what their property is worth. Then let the rest of the Ummah take them in, the Ummah that kicked us out.

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 11:25 PM

The Coward sure beats up on Hotair on its blog…and for the cowards politics?
.
“Now that John Edwards is out, this blog endorses Barack Obama and says: YES, WE CAN! ”
.
Yup, it hates republicans, along with others.

shooter on March 1, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Lets see,now which war was launched against the Israel’s!

1948
1956
1967
1973
1982
Might as well add,Gulf War,German V-2 Rockets,Scuds!
Might as well add,The Lebanon Action,

And add in the car,bus cafe’ bombings!
oh,ya and the vacation destination a few years back!

canopfor on March 1, 2008 at 11:29 PM

mycowardice

Your looking for “fairness” where it is not earned or even necessary.

The Paleos are the whipping boys of Islam. Their role is to whine and die and kill. Israel is like a cancer on the body of Islam. They cannot encompass existing along side free Jews that are not the dhimmi slaves of Islam. Lots of people like you don’t understand this. You think the Muslims just want justice, well your just wrong. Have you not heard them demand the total destruction of all Jews in Israel?

BL@KBIRD on March 1, 2008 at 11:37 PM

Death to Gaza!

BL@KBIRD on March 1, 2008 at 11:40 PM

As for Israel’s being a democracy, it’s a Jewish democracy and its raison d’être is to be a Jewish state, a place of refuge for Jews driven out of places like the above, a place run by and for Jews.

Sorry, but to agree with that would be to mean that you have second class citizens in that country (all the non Jews). I wouldn’t be an advocate of this here, there, or in any country. A country should be for all its citizens. The same reasoning applies to Iran or Saudi Arabia. It doesn’t sound to me like a very ethical strategy to say to 20% of your population that the country is not for them because of religion.

You seem to be justifying terrible behavior (kicking out citizens) because other countries did worse. Are we going to do the same here? When latinos reach 20% of the US population, will we kick them out because they already have a half a continent (with the exception of Brazil) for themselves?

Let me end with this: it’s absolutely unfair that Jews were driven out of most countries in the middle east. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have my family uprooted from a place where it spent many generations. Still, the solution would be to try to fix this, not create more injustice elsewhere.

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 11:41 PM

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Is there something wrong with having second-class citizens? Or a second-class group of people? If I went to Saudi Arabia or India or China or Brazil, would I be in the right to demand full citizenship?

And if I went among another people, swore on God’s head and on my own to destroy them, and then spent decade after decade organizing to destroy them, should they welcome me? This is what the Philistines have done in Israel and who they have supported to be their voice and government.

Tzetzes on March 1, 2008 at 11:54 PM

My question: What is Barry Milhouse Obama’s response? Is he willing to commit troops? Last time I checked, organizations that are denoted as terrorist or terror-supporting by our government are freely operating in the territory.

Waiting for a response in 5..4..3..

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on March 1, 2008 at 10:39 PM

It can’t be any worse then Bush’s response…which was nothing also (except to tell Israel to knock it off last time… ya know… for the Peace Process and all that).

Tough on Terror all the way

TOPV on March 1, 2008 at 11:56 PM

When latinos reach 20% of the US population, will we kick them out because they already have a half a continent (with the exception of Brazil) for themselves?

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 11:41 PM

The United States was not founded as, or certainly isn’t, the homeland of any particular race or creed, but of an ideal of freedom for any who want to subscribe to a particular way of life. Israel on the other hand was founded as a recovered homeland and place of freedom specifically for Jews. So the mutanda would have to be pretty heavily mutata to make any such comparison.

(Although, one comparison you can make is that of population: if the percentage of the Jewish population killed by Arabs were the percentage of Americans killed by any particular group, we would in no way put up with it the way we expect the Israelis to.)

As for Hispanics specifically, since you bring it up, they should obviously not be kicked out if they’re citizens of the country. Our fellow-citizens are our brethren. But anybody here illegally (from any country) obviously should be kicked out, and has no more right to be here against the wishes of American citizens than I have to be in Mexico against the wishes of Mexican citizens.

But let’s not change the subject of the discussion if we can avoid it…

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Hamas (who in their very charter appeal to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which they accept as true) have great support among their fellow Philistines. Here are a few more tidbits from their charter, from what defines them:

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up.”

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

How do you deal with such people? How do you deal with the people who vote them in?

One of the best-selling books among the Philistines is Mein Kampf. Hitler is revered. The only serious rivalry Hamas has is from Fatah, whose very name invokes the bloody borders of Islam and whose aim is also genocide. The overwhelming majority of Philistines (at least those who don’t have Israeli citizenship–some do and some dont’) are not only in favor of destroying Israel but actively support those who do. How do you deal with that?

Is there any other people on this earth who would be expected patiently to accept such, besides the Jews?

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 12:10 AM

canopfor, bad example….

America has the right to respond in any fashion they please.
If, for an example on the Mexican side, a group was firing guns committing murders and kidnapping citizens over on to the American side,and after repeated warnings from the American to cease firing and the Mexicans were powerless to stop the kidnappings and murders!

How long do you think it would take for a US strike to
stop the invaders from killing innocent Americans,as an
example. cricket…..cricket…..cricket……

rgranger on March 2, 2008 at 12:17 AM

price wheat at $105.03 a bushel to all mid-east oil
producers and see what the Arab League has to say.
What a raciest thing to say…what am I thinking?

spike on March 2, 2008 at 12:17 AM

Why does the UN still exist?

j0 on March 2, 2008 at 12:18 AM

But let’s not change the subject of the discussion if we can avoid it…

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 12:02 AM

As somebody believing in a state for all its citizens, I feel uncomfortable (to say the least) about a country that is meant (or geared) for people of one specific religion. Don’t think I am just thinking of Israel. I also include countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran. I don’t care why the country was founded. For me, a country should be inclusive. We try to do that here, right? Not just because we were founded like that, but also because we think it’s the right approach.

BTW, Israeli Arabs are citizens just like other Israeli citizens.

mycowardice on March 2, 2008 at 12:19 AM

I hope and pray that that Jew Eating Rabbit is one of the dead.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 12:37 AM

As somebody believing in a state for all its citizens, I feel uncomfortable (to say the least) about a country that is meant (or geared) for people of one specific religion.

mycowardice on March 2, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Isn’t a country (by which you mean a state) supposed to be for people of that country? Is there anything wrong with saying, for example, “Greece belongs to the Greeks”?

For me, a country should be inclusive.

mycowardice on March 2, 2008 at 12:19 AM

It’s not up to us to tell other countries who they can and cannot include. If Zimbabwe or the Maldives or Chile say “no Americans”, that’s their sovreign right. We do believe in sovreignty, don’t we?

We try to do that here, right? Not just because we were founded like that, but also because we think it’s the right approach.

mycowardice on March 2, 2008 at 12:19 AM

The right for us, but as I said before, we are very different from the vast majority (from all?) of other nations, based not on blood but on choice and ideals. Again, the comparison isn’t a very solid one.

BTW, Israeli Arabs are citizens just like other Israeli citizens.

mycowardice on March 2, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Sure, but relatively few of the Philistines are citizens. I’m sure there are plenty of Arab Israelis who are content to live in peace, and if that’s fine with the rest of Israelis, then it’s fine with me. But if a citizen (Arab, Jew or other) tries to overthrow the state or incites people thereto, that’s sedition. And anyway the discussion is really about the non-citizens (specifically, here, in the Gaza, Hamasville).

BTW, are they Israeli Arabs or Arab Israelis?

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM

mycowardice on March 2, 2008 at 12:19 AM

I’ll respect your point of view only when you begin applying it to Arab League nations with equal gusto.

Otherwise your entire argument falls flat because you seem to expect one side to play fair, while condoning evil behavior by the other.

Wanderlust on March 2, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 12:42 AM

I agree.

Simple solution:

1. Israel declares that “Palestine” is now considered to be a sovereign nation, in its present borders.
2. Israel seals its borders from “Palestine” in the same way as Mexico seals its southern border, and Egypt seals its northern border.
3. Israel treats any further rocket attacks by “Palestine” as one nation attacking another; and
4. Israel responds to attacks originating from “Palestine” with extreme prejudice.

Problem solved!

Wanderlust on March 2, 2008 at 12:53 AM

Anyone that questions the existance of a state for Jews is clearly an anti-semite. Anyone that questions the right of said Jewish state to defend itself is also an anti-semite. Seems there a few anti-semites posting here.

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 2, 2008 at 12:55 AM

So my cowardice, you do not believe in sovereignty or diversity? No country has a right to define itself. Islamic nations must give up their connection to church and state. China must let in people from other races? All countries must dismantle their cultures or be called unfair?

Culturism holds that majority cultures have a right to define, protect and promote themselves. That goes for Saudi Arabia, that goes for China, that goes for the United States (we have a culture and borders and a right to both) and that goes for Israel. Your internationalist dismantling of cultural diversity and integrity is a tool that unfriendly nations – who defend their borders and culture – use to weaken our sovereignty.

http://www.culturism.us

culturism on March 2, 2008 at 12:56 AM

I think after the Holocaust, I’m going to have to give the Isrealis a very, very, very, very, long leash.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 1:01 AM

Wanderlust on March 2, 2008 at 12:53 AM

Again, Moslems consider themselves all one nation (ummah). That nation (admittedly a somewhat loose federation) has again and again declared war on Israel.

(And on the non-Moslem world.)

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:03 AM

culturism on March 2, 2008 at 12:56 AM

Thanks, Mr. Carson. Can I plug my book? ;)

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:04 AM

I think after the Holocaust, I’m going to have to give the Isrealis a very, very, very, very, long leash.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 1:01 AM

The Philistines and their (in-word-only) sympathizers keep saying “why should we be punished for what the Germans did to the Jews?” But an important point I make above is that it’s not only about the Holocaust, but that the Jews have been squeezed out from the rest of the Middle East, from their homes they had for centuries. The Ummah has kicked them out of its borders and then refuses to have its borders at all modified to accommodate them.

(By the way, notice how non-Philistine Arabs say “punish us” in reference to the founding of Israel. Us because they’re all one nation. Even when they treat each other like crap.)

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:07 AM

NEW RULE: Any civilization that has a Jew Eating Rabbit Children’s show should be gassed.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 1:13 AM

NEW RULE: Any civilization that has a Jew Eating Rabbit Children’s show should be gassed.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 1:13 AM

I know you don’t mean that seriously…

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:16 AM

Including the part about being a civilization…

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:17 AM

…Well, that’s all for me for now: it’s late, we’ve made the important arguments, and I don’t think there will be any persuading tonight.

As the Greek saying has it, στοῦ κουφοῦ τὴν πόρτα, ὅσο θέλεις βρόντα (which in the Zorba film is translated as “on a deaf man’s door you can knock forever”).

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Angelina Jolie to appear on behalf of the oppressed Gazans in 5..4..3..2..1..

Andy in Agoura Hills on March 1, 2008 at 11:12 PM

I sure hope not. Especially after her pro-surge comments and I understand her father is supporting Senator McCain.

Frankly, it’s time Gaza had all aid from Israel cut off. Then let’s see what they do… would they agree to Israeli army and police patrolling Gaza for rockets? Would they convert to Judaism? Or would they in all their stupidity drag the Middle East into another conventional war Israel will win?

HotAirJosef on March 2, 2008 at 1:18 AM

I know you don’t mean that seriously…

Tzetzes on March 2, 2008 at 1:16 AM

You don’t know me very well.

Instead of writing books you should read some. Perhaps something on Sherman’s March. Lincoln told Sherman not to be too rough with the south, because eventually they would be our own citizens after the conflict was over. Sherman replied to Lincoln that bringing the South “Hell” would end the conflict quicker and in the end save many more lives than a compromised peace. Same thing here. We should be much tougher on the muslim world, especially countries that produced terror like Ford produces cars. The more hell you can bring the terrorists muslims, the sooner their ideology of hate will be the norm. International tough love.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 2, 2008 at 1:27 AM

If America want the UN to condemn terror states, here’s the plan. Have the CIA or some other cracker jack organization set
off an explosion and them blame it on the terrorists. These idiots won’t d anything to help free societies, until their own personal security is in question.

THE CHOSEN ONE on March 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Won’t work.

Al-Qaeda did just that in Iraq right after we kicked Saddam’s ass. Blew up a U.N. compound and all. Massive loss of life.

The Useless Nitwits responded by blaming, you guessed it, the U.S. For not providing adequate protection. The kicker? We’d OFFERED them adequate protection, but they turned it down because they didn’t want the “U.S. cooties.” Then hired Ba’athist hangers-on to “protect” them instead.

What do you call 50 U.N. employees with cement socks at the bottom of Turtle Bay?

A good start.

Misha I on March 2, 2008 at 2:17 AM

They should not have go to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, the States, Europe, Canada, Iran, or whatever state you want to pick. I don’t understand why you want them to relocate elsewhere.

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Oh great. Another “right of return” nudnik.

Tell you what? We’ll talk about “right of return” when every square inch that the Jews have been driven from by the mooselimbs has been returned to them, m’kay?

Oh, and do you live here in the United States? Add that the conversation will start when you’ve turned over all of your property to the native Indians.

Until then, peddle your bullshit at Stormfront, why don’t you?

Shmekel.

Misha I on March 2, 2008 at 2:58 AM

Um…..about the ‘right to go home’…..

Please supply a map (of any year since 1,000,000 bce) that has a free and independent Palestine on it. While you are at it, please explain why any of the original Arab League members, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia never established such a ‘State’ as Palestine.

Also please explain the absence of any mention of the Mufti of Jerusalem in any leftist bullpie about the ‘right to go home’.

Thank you,
Your Friendly Longhorn Zionist

Limerick on March 2, 2008 at 4:37 AM

why does it only matter when arabs get hurt/killed(and most of them are terrorists) but when Israelis die the UN doesn’t care?!

sko17 on March 2, 2008 at 5:25 AM

Unfortunately, this current round of rocket firing is mainly the fault of Israel.
As is the case with most western countries, they have become waaaay too soft in matters pertaining to their own security.

OldEnglish on March 2, 2008 at 5:52 AM

The unfortunate reality is that changing a population’s penchant for conflict with neighboring countries is very difficult. The 20th century had numerous examples. This involved a lot of death and destruction. The Soviet Union / Russia has the most practice, as recently as 2000 in Grozny.

Israel is unlikely to use CCCP/ Russian tactics of rape, pillage, massive unguided firepower, torture, killing prisoners, and more rape.
Turning Gaza into a Grozny equivalent would leave few survivors. Cutting off all electrical power, financial aid, and water may be a better tactic. Put it on a schedule, – you get one minute of power and water for every hour you do not rocket the civilian population of Israel.

Robert

NaCly dog on March 2, 2008 at 6:01 AM

NaCly dog on March 2, 2008 at 6:01 AM

Sorry, wont work. The UN would never allow Israel to restrict water and power to the Palestinians for one hour per two and a half days. As for the money, there are plenty of duplicitous countries who, for their own agenda, would circumvent this. Also, any “peace negotiation” would still leave an implacable enemy waiting, waiting, for the moment to strike.

OldEnglish on March 2, 2008 at 6:54 AM

The UN & cowardice need to break out the old text book where father (of Arabs & Israelites) Abraham was given all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates–but the kicker is it all was for Isaac, not Ishmael. That is why they are firing rockets on Israel–steamed over the God given inheritance.
But since the UN & Arabs & much of the world reject God they strike out at any symbolism or reminder of Him. Rockets on Israel, no prayer or Bible in US schools, etc. To not reject Him would mean some sort of moral accountability or standard. Obviously it appears so many don’t want that do they?

wepeople on March 2, 2008 at 7:36 AM

To get out where exactly? Considering they can’t really go anywhere, what exactly are you advocating? Genocide?

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Why not. Aren’t they?

As they say, what’s good for the goose…..

Sorry, but I no sympathy for these people. They want a war. I say let Israel oblige them.

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GT on March 2, 2008 at 8:30 AM

How dare Israel respond to rockets being fired into their country!!! Hopefully the UN with their great wisdom and fair mindedness can get things back to peaceful conditions, with rockets being fired into populated areas of Israel on a daily basis with no violent reprisals.

Hening on March 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM

To get out where exactly? Considering they can’t really go anywhere, what exactly are you advocating? Genocide?

mycowardice on March 1, 2008 at 10:16 PM

No. “Ethnic cleansing”. It’s a whole different thing.

Squiggy on March 2, 2008 at 9:26 AM

I wish Israel would give everyone in Gaza 48 hours to get out, then flatten the place, and give the UN the finger when it complains.

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GT on March 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM

Yes. Make the place into a glass factory.

Wade on March 2, 2008 at 9:57 AM

Yes. Make the place into a glass factory.

Wade on March 2, 2008 at 9:57 AM

The place being Gaza

Wade on March 2, 2008 at 9:58 AM

The Palestianians are a sorry lot who have allowed their extremist members to manipulate and brainwash them into contributing joyfully in their own destruction.

jeanie on March 2, 2008 at 10:07 AM

Go, IDF. have at it.

mjk on March 1, 2008 at 10:40 PM

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The Israelis are doing the work so many of the world’s cowards won’t do to rid us of this palestinian cancer. If for one second I thought the palis were interested in peace, I’d be the first to say “Let’s Talk”. After 3 yrs of their having a palestinian state, we have seen time and time again they’d rather 1) fight amoungst themselves (i.e. Hamas vs Fatah) 2) preach hate to their children i.e. “evil mickey” and 3) continue rocket attacks intentionally targeting civilians. In fact, I am trying to think of any positive contribution the palestinians have given to mankind and can’t think of a single one. They have no peace maker like Ghandi or even (though I hate him) a Nelson Mandela. It is just murder, lies and destruction……

Renwaa on March 2, 2008 at 10:35 AM

The Palestianians are a sorry lot who have allowed their extremist members to manipulate and brainwash them into contributing joyfully in their own destruction.

jeanie on March 2, 2008 at 10:07 AM

No…we’re the sorry lot for letting these barely 3rd world tyrants and jerk-offs set the rules.

Earlg on March 2, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Any time that “Palestinian” children are killed or injured by Israeli responses, the reason the children were hit seems to be largely overlooked. The “Palestinian” adults convince their own children to unwittingly place their lives in danger. If they told the children “stand here and there’s a good chance you will be killed,” what child would agree?

perroviejo on March 2, 2008 at 11:54 AM

misterpeasea on March 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan all learned the hard way that they don’t want the “refugees”.

TooTall on March 2, 2008 at 1:24 PM

wepeople on March 2, 2008 at 7:36 AM

You are absolutely correct. Finally, someone who really understands what is going on.

cjs1943 on March 2, 2008 at 1:48 PM

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