Yuck!

Hagee has called the Catholic Church ‘The Great Whore,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system.’ There is nothing “alleged” about his hatred of Catholics. Actually, he is quite open about his disgust and hatred toward Catholics.

There are plently of decent and rightous Protestant ministers who stand up for Israel and Christian values in this country but do not have contempt for Catholics, and work with us to achieve our common goals, and Hagee is not one of them!

Because Hagee thinks the Catholic Church is a false church is hardly a surprise. If he thought — as you perhaps do — that the Roman Catholic Church was the “one true Church,” why, he’d be a Catholic, wouldn’t he?

Second, because Hagee is honest enough to say what he believes is the truth about the Roman Catholic Church is — I am shocked! — an instance of his exercising his First Amendment freedoms. If we all agreed with each other, we would all be Catholics (or Protestants, or whatever). I rather admire Hagee for his frankness.

Third: Please don’t blur the lines of debate: While you (presumably, accurately) quote Hagee as stating his beliefs about the Roman Catholic Church as a theology-teaching entity, his words in no way show “contempt” (your word) for Catholics as individuals, unless, of course, your pre-requisite for a minister to be a “good and righteous Protestant” minister is that he either: a) agree with Roman Catholic theology; or, (b) if he doesn’t agree with Roman Catholic theology, he exclude that topic from his preachments.

Surely you are not totally ignorant of Church History? In the days of Calvin and Luther, Protestants and Catholics often heartily called each other all kinds of names. Hagee is simply hearkening back to that thread of Christian church history.

What is particularly curious to me about this entire thread is that some Roman Catholic apologists are worked up into a lather attacking Hagee, a man who loves God, loves America, and who understands the dangers of militant Islamofascism.

Why are you not able to say (from a secure Catholic perpective): Well, Hagee’s theology is out of whack, but at least we are on the same side in the war on terrorists.

Or, are you going to vote for a Democrat because a man like Hagee endorsed John McCain? Which is worse? A patriot who thinks (like many — though not all — Protestants) that the Roman Catholic Church is a false church — or folks like Obama, who never say anything bad about any religion, but are only too willing to undermine our military and our war efforts?

As McCain says: His acceptance of Hagee’s endorsement does not in any way constitute a ratification of every theological quirk or eccentricity espoused by Hagee.

What is so hard about grasping that fact?

I admire McCain for not backing down under fire on the Hagee tempest in a teapot from the likes of the Catholic League.

Moreover, I am sure McCain would also (rightly) welcome endorsements from prominent Catholics, Jews, Mormons, and Episcopalians — all of whom would likely have their mutual theological differences with one another.

You say Hagee is anti-Catholic? Actually, your posts smack of anti-Hagee/anti-Fundamentalist cant.

That’s the salient thing about these loud-mouthed, Hagee-hating Catholics: They are all over Hagee for his alleged anti-Catholicism, but it seems the main thing that comes through in your posts is a loathing for Hagee and fundamentalists.

Hagee is a brave and decent man: Sliming him hurts his detractors far more than it does Mr. Hagee.

sanantonian on March 1, 2008 at 1:56 AM

Hagee has called the Catholic Church ‘The Great Whore,’ an ‘apostate church,’ the ‘anti-Christ,’ and a ‘false cult system.’ There is nothing “alleged” about his hatred of Catholics. Actually, he is quite open about his disgust and hatred toward Catholics.

There are plently of decent and rightous Protestant ministers who stand up for Israel and Christian values in this country but do not have contempt for Catholics, and work with us to achieve our common goals, and Hagee is not one of them!

And Hagee is actively calling for that bloodshed to begin, starting with a preemptive attack on Iran. Because our first duty is to Israel, not the United States, because Israel is the only country founded by God, and thus we have to be warriors for God’s country.

Hagee is hardly the only person who favors a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Why do you choose to portray this view as crazy? You can find articles in the blogosphere, for instance, advocating a pre-emptive strike against Iran, most of which are set NOT forth by evangelical preachers. Perhaps you think appeasement of Hitler worked well prior to World War II, also?

Many Bible believers take Genesis 12:3 seriously, as applied to Israel: ” 3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” Obviously, you don’t, but, I do not assail you as “crazy” because of your view.

You say Hagee is anti-Catholic? Actually, your posts smack of anti-Hagee/anti-Fundamentalist cant.

That’s the salient thing about these loud-mouthed, Hagee-hating Catholics: They are all over Hagee for his alleged anti-Catholicism, but it seems the main thing that comes through in your posts is a loathing for Hagee and fundamentalists.

Hagee is a brave and decent man: Sliming him hurts his detractors far more than it does Mr. Hagee.

Compared to the criticism that the Catholic Church has recieved from prominant Secularists and Aithiests, Hagee’s take on the Catholic Church just fails to outrage me.

Hmmmm. I’ll think about this, Dork B. You have a good point.

I don’t really approve of political endorsements from big time pastors . Obviously Farrakhan and Obama’s black power/hate whitey pastor are more disturbing because they seem/are anxious to work closely with the enemy of our nation.

I’d rather have John Hagee endorse me than Louis Farrakhan. All of you secular critics on this blog who have a hair trigger when it comes to good men like Hagee or Dobson need to remember that men of faith are allowed to make political, even doctrinal mistakes. They are even allowed to criticize other faith traditions like Catholicism or Mormanism. Hagee never called for violence against the Catholic Church or individual Catholics. He called the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon, oh dear! – that’s his interpretation, one that a lot of Evangelicals and Charimatics agree with. Compared to the criticism that the Catholic Church has recieved from prominant Secularists and Aithiests, Hagee’s take on the Catholic Church just fails to outrage me.
Dork B. on February 29, 2008 at 6:52 PM

I’m an atheist and my sympathies are fully with Hagee on this issue. It’s not simply that I dislike Catholicism more. It’s that I think Hagee’s Protestantism is a better interpretation of Christianity, and I hope for the best in Christianity–not the worse unlike some atheists.

You don’t have to view all atheists as the enemy. Right now, we are at war for Western Civilization. It’s ok to declare a truce.

You really don’t have to view

LevStrauss

What? I couldn’t help but laugh. The way I am treated? You have no idea what you’re talking about.

I don’t appreciate someone calling my pastor either stupid or a liar.

Read the books above and you will see why. I would suggest the book that is the subject matter in chapter three of “Persecution” before hitting up Ledeen. You might also want to brush up on your Plato. I don’t think he is stupid because he knows damn well what he is doing. The Republican Establishment has a church strategy, they push the black evangelical churches to tap for support and they support people like Hagee for loyal voters. The Republican Establishment laughs at you, read the books, read Maimonides and see what the Commentary crowd thinks of it. They think you people are another species, similar to animals and I cannot believe that Hagee is being snookered so I can only think he is complicit. I implore you to because you do not deserve to be treated the way you are just because you are a person of faith.

tlynch001

You admit to a typing inability, but not to your lack of facts. My pastor has never used the word “Catholic” in the years I’ve been in my church. So don’t do so much assuming,
my friend.

I saw the word ‘Catholic’ in the title and knew a HOLY WAR was raging. Sorry I am too late to miss it.

Real quick…Protestants…your pastors either lie to you or are too stupid to know what the Catholic church is really about and have filled you with lies.

OK…hope that puts out the fires.

tlynch001 on February 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Lol. If only it were that easy to end such discussions this way…

I was watching CNN one time and they brought on a religious commentator to talk about the existence of hell. They brought on Hagee…of course.

Real quick…Protestants…your pastors either lie to you or are too stupid to know what the Catholic church is really about and have filled you with lies.

OK…hope that puts out the fires.

PLEASE do us all a favor and vote AGAINST this windbag, the Huckster, so we can end his 15 minutes once and for all.

He makes me want to puke everytime I see him.

Fake conservative, false prophet.