The obligatory “What about Obama’s citizenship?” post

posted at 1:19 pm on February 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

It is, of course, racist per se to even raise the question but Geraghty’s having fun with it anyway. The peg is the Times’s moronic story about whether a child born to an American sailor stationed abroad is an American citizen; if that has legs, we’ll at least know we’ve reached rock bottom in the election news cycle. Equally irrelevant but marginally more interesting is whether the Messiah is a dual citizen per the excerpt from the Kenyan constitution quoted by Geraghty. The question turns on whether his father was a citizen of the UK when Kenya declared independence. Presumably so: Per the 1914 Nationality Act, citizenship was granted to anyone born within the British dominions (Obama’s father was born in Kenya) and per the 1948 Act citizenship descended automatically to children of male citizens born outside the dominion (but only the first generation). Any British lawyers in the audience want to check my math?

Update: A handy dandy post by Baldilocks — enlightening about the vagaries of Kenyan citizenship and appropriately dismissive of the idea that anyone should care about this.


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Whatever it takes.

bopbottle on February 28, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Canardmania!!

NTWR on February 28, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Me too. The USAF will be surprised to discover it.

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 1:24 PM

I trust the NY Times to fully investigate it.. >:}

Chakra Hammer on February 28, 2008 at 1:24 PM

Whatever legal, intellectually rigorous recourse it takes.

AbaddonsReign on February 28, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Fair response.

freevillage on February 28, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Check this out.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2QwMWZiZWQ5MTc1NzE5NGRlYzM0N2ZjZTI5MzJhMGQ=

end quote:

“Barack Obama seems like a nice guy, just like you and me… but how many of your ‘friends’ have planted bombs at the Pentagon?”

ninjapirate on February 28, 2008 at 1:29 PM

The NYT should learn the first rule of holes.

jukin on February 28, 2008 at 1:29 PM

He was born in Hawai’i–he’s American. This, like McCain, is a non-issue.

robblefarian on February 28, 2008 at 1:31 PM

it is already settled law that anyone in mccains situation is a US citizen.

its vintage duh on February 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Barack Hussein Obama is a citizen of the world – worker’s of the world unite, Utopia in America is near – victory is at hand.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 28, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Would a love-child of Captain Kirk born on Vulcan be a Federation citizen? Boggles the mind.

Skipper50 on February 28, 2008 at 1:33 PM

robblefarian on February 28, 2008 at 1:31 PM

to a female US citizen.

even though I don’t care for B.O. this issue is kind of the same as the McCain issue. Boring.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Non issue again and again but let’s see how long it takes the Far Righty Alex Jones equavilents to grab on to this and take over the thread with gusto.

They’ll be on them both carrying torches.

AprilOrit on February 28, 2008 at 1:36 PM

McCain was quoted as saying: “If you want me to be a goddamned citizen, I’ll be a goddamned citizen.”

BacaDog on February 28, 2008 at 1:36 PM

He was born in Hawai’i–he’s American. This, like McCain, is a non-issue.

You might try dropping a line to the Editors at the NYT with that pearl of wisdom.

gmoonster on February 28, 2008 at 1:36 PM

OOOOOOH.

NOTE TO McCAIN and RNC:

PLEASE check research this. I’d think there are plenty of money-hungry attorneys in Nairobi…AND in Jakarta also, for that matter…to research both Kenyan and Indonesian citizenship records to determine if a Barack Hussein Obama Jr., born 1961, was ever granted citizenship in EITHER country.

If this guy has dual, the next question is: Does it disqualify him?

Seriously, this is no laughing matter, folks. If he’s hiding a dual, we need to zero in on this.

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Oh thanks, AP! You should delete one of my link-whoring efforts. :-)

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Update: A handy dandy post by Baldilocks — enlightening about the vagaries of Kenyan citizenship and appropriately dismissive of the idea that anyone should care about this.

The arguement here is unconvincing.

Maybe someone should phone the Kenyan embassy and ask?

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Can you guys who keep saying “Barack Hussein Obama” please shorten it to BHO? It’s getting tiring.

ninjapirate on February 28, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Would a love-child of Captain Kirk born on Vulcan be a Federation citizen? Boggles the mind.

Vulcan was a member of the Federation then. Captain Archer would be a different story…

rw on February 28, 2008 at 1:45 PM

The arguement here is unconvincing.

Maybe someone should phone the Kenyan embassy and ask?

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Not an argument. It’s a fact that the US doesn’t go by another country’s rules of citizenship. It’s also a fact that dual citizens cannot hold certain levels of security clearances in the US military (something I didn’t mention).

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Would a love-child of Captain Kirk born on Vulcan be a Federation citizen?

Is he an Iowan-American, or a Federation-American? Guess well find out sometime after March 22, 2228 should we live so long!

PS. Why aren’t there any Muslims on Star Trek?

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on February 28, 2008 at 1:50 PM

“Can you guys who keep saying “Barack Hussein Obama” please shorten it to BHO? It’s getting tiring.”

Repeat after me 10 x fast…President Obama…..

If at the end you are not laughing your a off, you voted for Hillery!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on February 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question, most recently after Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, was elected governor of California, in 2003. The Constitution originally provided a small loophole to this provision: One needn’t have been born in the United States but had to be a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. But, since that occurred in 1789, that ship has sailed.

One must also be at least 35 years of age to be president. John F. Kennedy was the youngest person to be elected president; he was 43 years old when he was inaugurated in 1961. There is no maximum age limit set forth in the Constitution. Ronald Reagan was the oldest president; at the end of his term in 1988, he was nearly 77.

Finally, one must live in the United States for at least 14 years to be president, in addition to being a natural-born citizen. The Constitution is vague on this point. For example, it does not make clear whether those 14 years need to be consecutive or what the precise definition of residency is. So far, however, this requirement has not been challenged.
These are the only explicit criteria in the Constitution.

bernzright777 on February 28, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Kenya? Really?

Do you think he can get them to stop sending those annoying emails to me?

BacaDog on February 28, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on February 28, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Can we just shorten it to HO?
Ooops, sorry, can’t say that anymore either.

Brat on February 28, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Would a love-child of Captain Kirk born on Vulcan be a Federation citizen? Boggles the mind.

Judging by the amount of alien chicks Kirk have, uh, loved. I will be surprised if he doesn’t have a love-child on Vulcan.

RMR on February 28, 2008 at 1:57 PM

bernzright777 on February 28, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Oops, didn’t mean to make it look like I wrote this, got it from here:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm

bernzright777 on February 28, 2008 at 1:57 PM

I was born in France to American Citizens. Does that mean my White House dreams are crushed? *Sob*!

Buy Danish on February 28, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Not an argument. It’s a fact that the US doesn’t go by another country’s rules of citizenship.

I don’t think there is any question that Obama is a US citizen. The question is does he have citizenship as far as Kenya is concerned. I think this is a question easily answered if someone talks to the Kenyan embassy.

It’s also a fact that dual citizens cannot hold certain levels of security clearances in the US military (something I didn’t mention).

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM

It won’t be the first time that something like this was missed.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM

I was born in the UK, but I hum a good tune and shoot pretty good (better than Cheney) – are my White House dreams crushed?

LimeyGeek on February 28, 2008 at 2:04 PM

The probability of a Kirk love child on Vulcan is infinetisimally low.

Given all the alien bedpartners Kirk’s had, if Vulcans are too squeamish about cooties to even touch their own food, why would the average vulcan female risk alien STD’s? The risk of catching something awful from Kirk is so high, the concept of boinking him would be simply too illogical for a purity-minded vulcan.

A gal would need to be in a serious case of the Pon Farr Plak Tau in order for that particular logical override.
; – )

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:05 PM

No words ;)

LimeyGeek on February 28, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Vulcan was a founding member of the Federation (along with Earth, Tellar, Andor (not Andoria), and Alpha Centauri), so a human/Vulcan love child would still be a federation citizen if born on Vulcan after the establishment of the federation.

Now then, while a Vulcan might be squeamish about mating with Kirk who was known to get around(as Eddie Murphy once said, if the b**ch is green, you gotta know something is wrong with the p***sy), a human/Vulcan love child is not unprecedented — Spock, for instance.

ncc770 on February 28, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Limey: Other people started it. I simply tried to finish it.

Note to NinjaPirate:

I spelled the whole damn name out because I was referring to a specific BIRTH RECORD. Otherwise I woulda simply called him Bambi or just BO.

Why’d I do that? Simple: The guy simply can NOT be the ONLY “B H O” in Kenya. It may be a funny name over here, but over there, how do we know it’s not the equivalent of “John Smith”???

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:13 PM

We could call him BO.

AlanC on February 28, 2008 at 2:16 PM

the messiah is of course a citizen of the world!

reliapundit on February 28, 2008 at 2:22 PM

That’s probably what his wife calls him. Isn’t she the one who said in an interview that he stinks in the mornings?

AZCoyote on February 28, 2008 at 2:22 PM

er um… mahdi.

reliapundit on February 28, 2008 at 2:22 PM

i mean 12th imam.

reliapundit on February 28, 2008 at 2:23 PM

It may be a funny name over here, but over there, how do we know it’s not the equivalent of “John Smith”???

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:13 PM

This Leftard University of Michigan professor would have us believe that “Barack Hussein Obama” is just like “John” Smith.

Long story short, the name “John” and “Hussein” both have “semitic” origins so there’s nothing to see here, move along.

I left him a polite comment but it hasn’t been published, so I decided to write a blog post about it…

Buy Danish on February 28, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Has anyone noticed that his initials are B O? Do you smell something there? And his wife it M O?

How about, “We don’t need No-MO-BO!”

SORRY!!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on February 28, 2008 at 2:24 PM

even though I don’t care for B.O. this issue is kind of the same as the McCain issue. Boring.

Is it a non issue and boring? What is the law about someone who has duel citizenship being president? Did the founding fathers not address it because everyone at that time was a former subject to the crown? Anyone know the specific answer?

peacenprosperity on February 28, 2008 at 2:33 PM

Danish,

Unfortunately, first time I’ve ever disagreed w/you.

I couldn’t give a rat’s a** what some leftard UMich prof sez. My point was that since Kenya has sizeable Muslim AND Christian communities, there are probably LOTS of guys named “Barack Hussein Obama” there (after all, he’s a JUNIOR, his Dad was named the same) and it’d be a matter of an attorney in Nairobi (or Jakarta) finding the RIGHT birth record to determine if he has dual citizenship or NOT.

Sheeeeeeesh….

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Whoa the panic has reached this thread…..we are still on that thar mooslim name….

Can’t get over it, can’t go under it, just can’t help that name thang and the need to keeping using it. It’s like an addiction.

AprilOrit on February 28, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Who’s panicking?

We’re not talking about Islam. Or calling Obama a Muslim.

We’re wondering if he’s hiding a Dual Citizenship or not.

Apple. And. Orange.

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:39 PM

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I understood your point – that it could very well be a common name in Africa, like John Smith is here.

BHO is not a common name in this country however, and it’s not as ordinary and unremarkable a name like John Adams or Benjamin Franklin.

I just find it amusing to see what lengths people, particularly progressive academics, will go to spin reality into fantasy.

Buy Danish on February 28, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Danish,

Oh, sorry dude, my bad. I misunderstood you.
In that case, we’re on the same page again, as usual.

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 2:45 PM

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM

You know, between those who call me “a black racist muslim female” for sharing one ethnicity with Obama, those who contend that our ethnic names are “un-American” and “un-Christian” and those who, like you, imply that while I was giving the best years of my life in service to my country that I was some sort of security risk, I’m starting to feel a bit…angry. And bitter.

Go to Hell.

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Not a lawyer, but I don’t think the dual citizenship is a Constitutional issue. Remember that many people at the time had immigrated recently, and the problem of dual allegiances was addressed by the requirement that presidents would need to be “natural born” unless a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. This seems to take care of the problem of allegiance to other countries without getting into the “dual citizenship” weeds.

As an electability issue, however, this story could get interesting. The first black president, who happens to also be our first Kenyan citizen? Might raise a few eyebrows, especially if it encourages people to look more closely at any eccentric relatives he might have in other countries.

FWIW.

cs89 on February 28, 2008 at 2:49 PM

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Look, it is just a diplomatic technicality prone to debate. No one is saying anything about you personally. Even if Kenya considered someone in such a circumstance as a citizen, that doesn’t mean that person considers themselves a citizen of Kenya nor does it mean the US cares.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Okay I retract the “go to Hell” but

if Kenya considered someone in such a circumstance as a citizen, that doesn’t mean that person considers themselves a citizen of Kenya nor does it mean the US cares

then why would the “argument” even matter and why would it be a slip-up by the grantors of security clearances? And if it didn’t matter, then why bother going to the Kenyans and asking?

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM

then why would the “argument” even matter and why would it be a slip-up by the grantors of security clearances? And if it didn’t matter, then why bother going to the Kenyans and asking?

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 2:59 PM

We were talking about qualifications for the presidency and citizenship. The question was could Obama unknowingly hold dual citizenship. If Kenya thinks he is a citizen then it is pertinent to the subject of the thread. If Kenya said he did hold dual citizenthip, Obama, I suppose could renounce such citizenship and make the issue moot. It’s pretty much an academic discussion.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 3:06 PM

You know, between those who call me “a black racist muslim female” for sharing one ethnicity with Obama, those who contend that our ethnic names are “un-American” and “un-Christian” and those who, like you, imply that while I was giving the best years of my life in service to my country that I was some sort of security risk, I’m starting to feel a bit…angry. And bitter.

Go to Hell.

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM

And you should, some of it has bee really rude.

AprilOrit on February 28, 2008 at 3:10 PM

It is, of course, racist per se

Umm, isn’t any criticism of the Messiah, including calling him the “Messiah,” racist per se? All kidding aside, he’s become untouchable on all issues, because to attack his views means you are attacking his race. Even Bubba, our “first black president” and former MSM darling, is being treated by the MSM as if he were a right-wing fanatic.

Rick on February 28, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Would a love-child of Captain Kirk born on Vulcan be a Federation citizen? Boggles the mind.

Skipper50 on February 28, 2008 at 1:33 PM

(whispers) Valcan is a planet in the Federation.

Now as to what may or may not have happened on this mission I can not say. What happens on Romulus, stays on Romulus.

MirCat on February 28, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Per the 1914 Nationality Act, citizenship was granted to anyone born within the British dominions (Obama’s father was born in Kenya) and per the 1948 Act citizenship descended automatically to children of male citizens born outside the dominion (but only the first generation).

Obama for Prime Minister!

Bigfoot on February 28, 2008 at 3:25 PM

The campaign office of He-Who-Should-Not-Be Named-But-Is-Not-A-Muslim just issued a press release istructing the media to now refer to “him” as the candidate formerly known as Barak Hussein Obama, and they are working on creating a non-offensive symbol to use when identifying “him”, like Prince.

Alden Pyle on February 28, 2008 at 3:42 PM

baldilocks:
Don’t be bitter. I know it can get personal at times. I enjoy your posts here. I would just like to see the NYT vet all the candidates for POTUS not just the Republican nominee. Nothing more, nothing less.
It is beyond my pay grade to say who is and who isn’t qualified to run for President, I would just like to see fairness in coverage. If the blogs don’t ask, the MSM surely won’t, then who?

d1carter on February 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM

http://www.immigration.go.ke/index.php?id=19

(viii) What should a child born in Kenya of mixed parentage( i.e. a Kenyan and a foreigner) do to become Kenyan?
The child holds dual citizenship up to the age of 21 years and will have to renounce his claim to the other nationality before he turns 23 years old in order for him to remain a Kenyan citizen.

Kenyan? no… but he may very well be a Citizen of the Commonwealth … as when he was born his Father was a Commonwealth subject… and unless he has specificly renounced that citizenship, he reatains it…

As to a Dual Citizenship President? The US did not acknowledge dual citizenship until the courts forced the issue… it was not even envisioned by the founding Fathers that this would come up.

Romeo13 on February 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Oh…

And I would like to be the FIRST to welcome our new British Overlord…

Romeo13 on February 28, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Now I’ve read all the comments and if there is one thing that is undeniable and beyond any reasonable doubt….

Citizenship for any offspring was the furthest thing in Kirk’s mind when encountering any of his women “friends”.

AverageJoe on February 28, 2008 at 4:35 PM

bernzright777 on February 28, 2008 at 1:53 PM

If you’re going to quote copy-and-paste an entire article, you should provide a link. Otherwise, quit trying to pass someone else’s thoughts as your own. Loser.

I understood your point – that it could very well be a common name in Africa, like John Smith is here

I’m guessing that the names most likely to be used across the entire continent are western names. Africa is continent with many countries and cultures. The most common denominator of among african nations is probably colonialization.

I have known many Africans hailing from many nations. I know some with very interesting names and others with very French or Catholic names.

I have a close friend born and raised in Ghana with the exotic name “Sandra.”

***

baldilocks on February 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM

As I said in the comments at HA (not directed at Allahpundit or Geraghty), are we conservatives suddenly in favor of following International Law when it damages our opponents?

F*** ‘em. And thank you for your service.

d1carter on February 28, 2008 at 3:49 PM

The vetting process has just begun. Obama spoke of the “sily season.” I think the “ugly season” is more likely.

The Race Card on February 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Heh..funny.

SouthernGent on February 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM

Much love, baldilocks. Those making insinuations can go to hell.

Not only is what the middle-name-obsessed are doing stupid and offensive for its own sake, it’s getting in the way of what was turning into a really nice gaffe by the Clinton campaign.

And as for dual citizenship in either Kenya or Indonesia, I’m guessing that young master O. didn’t exactly put himself in for it even if some oppo researcher finds a piece of paper that says the status had been claimed for him. He’d have been a child at the time. Can we not remain legitimately focused on what he wants to spend the next 4 years doing, please?

DrSteve on February 28, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Fight fire with fire.

indythinker on February 29, 2008 at 6:25 PM