Pew: Majority now believe U.S. effort in Iraq will succeed, 53-39

posted at 7:45 pm on February 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

In case you were wondering why the Democrats are running from this debate, it’s because the more public opinion shifts, the more their willingness to abandon Iraq looks less like a “realist” exit strategy than calculated defeatism. Even so, note how inelastic most of the results are despite the security gains (especially in Anbar). The microresults show impressive shifts — click the image and follow the link to see double digit swings in the “Growing Perceptions of Iraq Progress” graph — but the baseline results below are static. I wonder why.

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It’s odd that a majority want the troops home now, when they agree the war will be won. That means there’s a small group of people out there who want to run from victory.

doodleduh on February 28, 2008 at 7:49 PM

I have to tell you, everytime you post that picture of Gen. Petreaus I feel so proud of our military.

atxcowgirl on February 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM

This is very bad news for the left. I doubt this will be reported via MSM.

ihasurnominashun on February 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM

but the baseline results below are static. I wonder why.

I wouldn’t blame it all on the media. The administration is terrified of proclaiming victory while the enemy and copperheads are eager to proclaim our every defeat.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM

It’s odd that a majority want the troops home now, when they agree the war will be won. That means there’s a small group of people out there who want to run from victory.

doodleduh on February 28, 2008 at 7:49 PM

I think that reflects the publics` fatigue about the war, we`re a microwave culture. This thing should have been over and done in a month.

This is very bad news for the left. I doubt this will be reported via MSM.

ihasurnominashun on February 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM

No need to doubt, they WON`T use these polls. The MSM only reprts our deaths and negative public opinion.

ThePrez on February 28, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Yes we can!

Buy Danish on February 28, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Best news in a long time. Public opinion is crucial.

Baphomet on February 28, 2008 at 8:09 PM

willingness to abandon Iraq

Frack Iraq.

Willingness to abandon America is what concerns me.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:10 PM

That’s great news. Notice how it always takes the polls a while to catch up with reality?

The only downside is that more people (-2) think the war as the wrong thing to do and it’s tied on how it’s going. But at least there are good signs here.

Tony737 on February 28, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Re: “will succeed”

This definition is the x-factor in all this, given the mission creep over the last 5 years. I mean, Saddam is dead, the WMD’s are gone, Iraq is sovereign, elections were held… yet only 53% think we “will succeed”. I think if you asked 10 Americans what they thought “success” really means, you’d get 10 different answers. The way I see it, the results of these polls reveal the overall disenchantment with the war, along with the confusion over why we went and what the heck we’re still doing there.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 8:14 PM

What kind of a ridiculous poll is this? They report that 49% of Americans want to bring troops home from Iraq and 47% want to keep troops in Iraq.

Bring them home when? Now? 6 months? One year?

Keep troops in? How long? One year? Two years? Ten years? Fifty No make it a hundred years?

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:16 PM

Tony737 on February 28, 2008 at 8:13 PM

No, I think that is an accurate reflection of reality as well. I think there are a lot of people that upon reflection feel that going into Iraq was a mistake, but still believe we need to get the job done.

ihasurnominashun on February 28, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Frack Iraq.

Willingness to abandon America is what concerns me.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Obama ’08!

Chuck Schick on February 28, 2008 at 8:19 PM

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I see you are an Obama supporter. The definition of success in Iraq has not changed. It remains: “A unified democratic federal Iraq that can govern itself, defend itself, and sustain itself, and is an ally in the War on Terror.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/iraq/2007/iraq-strategy011007.pdf

But I agree with you. People don’t know that.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Anyone care to comment on the “right/wrong decision” trends? Looks like the biggest spread on the board. I guess people are just coming around to the reality on the ground.

hippiepunk on February 28, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Rove just thumped BO on O’Reilly. That’s gonna leave a mark.

swami on February 28, 2008 at 8:21 PM

Wanting to bring the troops home is not a problem. We all want them home but not a second before our mission is accomplished and Iraq is able to pursue its democratic destiny. Furthermore, anytime we use our military power to eliminate murdering despots like Saddam and give liberty to an entire nation, it is not a mistake.

rplat on February 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM

The way I see it, the results of these polls reveal the overall disenchantment with the war, along with the confusion over why we went and what the heck we’re still doing there.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 8:14 PM

The war has already been won, long ago.

WMD – check
Odai/Qusay – check
Saddam Hussein – check
Zarqawi – check
Elections – check
Constitution – check, complete with shariah.

What’s the mission now? Resolving whether Mohammed’s
rightful successor was Umar or Ali?

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:27 PM

We are in the middle of a Presidential primary campaign, as such more people have been forced to look at the big picture. Given the relentless negative press regarding the war over the last few years these numbers are encouraging. Stay the course until we are convinced the Iraqis can swim in deep water and the Iranians fully comprehend the consequences of belligerent behavior.

dmann on February 28, 2008 at 8:28 PM

As a father and father-in law of 2 AF officers who just returned from Iraq I agree with atxcowgirl, My daughter was fortunate to meet Gen Petreaus while serving in Iraq. Gen Petreaus and his team should recieve this nations greatest honor and respect for their service. He is truly a brilliant man. I often wonder how may people know that every officer has a college degree and all above
the rank of Major has a Masters Degree. I would love to now how many of the
MSM and the leftist wackos who constantly berate these fine men and women can claim that

Ltmousseman on February 28, 2008 at 8:28 PM

able to pursue its democratic destiny.

rplat on February 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM

You do realize that their “democratic destiny”, if by some chance they have one in our life times, if ever, is Islamic Sharia.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Once again our troops doing the hard work while idoits like Reid continue to make an ass of themselves.

Bring them home only when the job is done!!!!!

limowilliam on February 28, 2008 at 8:34 PM

Obama ‘08!

Chuck Schick on February 28, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Gotterdammerung in ’08′!

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:36 PM

But I agree with you. People don’t know that.

-bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 8:19 PM

And if they did, I wonder how that would effect the poll results?

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM

And if they did, I wonder how that would effect the poll results?

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM

You mean to leave an ally behind in Iraq instead of a base for al-Qaeda or Iran? Probably a lot.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 8:39 PM

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM

You see, that is where Obama is wrong. He is still living in 2003 and worrying about who voted for or against the Iraq resolution. That is history. Right now we need to worry about what is best for the nation moving forward. And leaving Iraq as a defeated nation, with no respect for our army, leaving an Iraq that would be a haven for al-Qaeda in the West and the rest an Iranian puppet state would not be to our national interest.

Even if you discard the many, many, many who would die in the retributions that would follow.

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 8:42 PM

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Pick your poison: Attlia, Genghis, Ivan, Adolf, Osama

dmann on February 28, 2008 at 8:43 PM

You do realize that their “democratic destiny”, if by some chance they have one in our life times, if ever, is Islamic Sharia.

Whether strict sharia law will be applied in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq is one of the most divisive issues facing the transitional government. Enforcement of sharia varies throughout the Middle East and hopefully, because of continuing western influence; the more radical laws will not be enforced. The people of Iraq will be faced with many tough decisions but now, unlike the Saddam era, they are free to decide their own destiny.

rplat on February 28, 2008 at 8:53 PM

The word will get out eventually and the Dems (I hope) will pay for betting against the home team, the WINNING TEAM, the U.S. Military.

*salutes*

Yakko77 on February 28, 2008 at 9:02 PM

You see, that is where Obama is wrong. He is still living in 2003 and worrying about who voted for or against the Iraq resolution. That is history. Right now we need to worry about what is best for the nation moving forward. And leaving Iraq as a defeated nation, with no respect for our army, leaving an Iraq that would be a haven for al-Qaeda in the West and the rest an Iranian puppet state would not be to our national interest.

Even if you discard the many, many, many who would die in the retributions that would follow.

-bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Nor would bankrupting ourselves on something that was a longshot to begin with. As some point we have to put aside nationalism and pride and ask ourselves, objectively, what it’s worth (in troops, money, resources, etc.) to keep this thing going.

Obama knew that this was a bad idea from day one, and even if it is history, as you say, it reveals a certain amount of keen insight and judgement that was woefully absent in the months leading up to the invasion. In fact, it was watching those old videos of interviews taped back in ’02 that won me over. Like…Nostrabama.

/hey, can I coin that?

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM

It’s great Americans have discovered the truth about Iraq in spite of the full court press against the truth from the MSM and Hollywood. Best news so far this year.

snaggletoothie on February 28, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Good news in Iraq is bad news for the Democrats and Obama.

James on February 28, 2008 at 9:14 PM

And the annunciator goes off in pilot Pelose’s ear piece –

Pull up
Pull up
Pull up

crash, plow, bang, boom, clang, clung — Damn it Harry will you get off of me.

Caution, Democrats landing the plane … Don’t let them take off again.

tarpon on February 28, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Obama knew that this was a bad idea from day one

I keep forgetting he is the Messiah and as such can see the future….what a load of crap!

dmann on February 28, 2008 at 9:19 PM

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM

Your savior Obama is starting to waffle already.

Obama also contested the notion that he advocates an overly quick withdrawal from Iraq.

“If we are maintaining the timetable that I’m talking about , we’re talking two years from now before we would have combat troops out of Iraq,” he said. “The notion that this is somehow a precipitous withdrawal that I’m proposing just isn’t borne out by facts.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obama_Remember_New_Hampshire.html

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 9:25 PM

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 9:25 PM

The media will provide plenty of cover, saying that these changes in position are example of his maturity and leadership, his ability to adapt to changing situations…all hail the Messiah!!!

dmann on February 28, 2008 at 9:37 PM

Your savior Obama is starting to waffle already.

-bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 9:25 PM

I don’t see how. His plan was to have the troops out in 16 months after taking office, and he would presumably take office 11 months from now.

11+16=27 months.

Speaking of that, what many people are forgetting is the 11 months part. If the gains we’re seeing in Iraq over the last year are as significant as the various pundits are proclaiming, then it’s reasonable to think that perhaps we’d have gotten to the point that less troops would be needed by the time that Obama took office anyway. If we hadn’t, it’s probably just as reasonable to assume that we aren’t going to get the outcome we desire no matter what we do.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM

Speaking of that, what many people are forgetting is the 11 months part. If the gains we’re seeing in Iraq over the last year are as significant as the various pundits are proclaiming, then it’s reasonable to think that perhaps we’d have gotten to the point that less troops would be needed by the time that Obama took office anyway. If we hadn’t, it’s probably just as reasonable to assume that we aren’t going to get the outcome we desire no matter what we do.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM

In other words he is hoping someone else’s plan, that he voted against, works so he looks good when he starts to withdraw troops. That might work with the Democrats, but it won’t fool most of the rest of us. And who says 11 months is the right number of months? Other than al-Qaeda and Iran that is. This guy is just shooting from the hip and hoping beyond hope that somehow it works out OK, or everyone forgives him when he has to make changes when reality hits him in the face.

By the way, you withdraw all troops in 2 years and your going to have a mess on your hands in Iraq. Their forces will need our backup for awhile even after they take over the country completely, and they haven’t been able to do that yet. Maybe in a year from now, maybe longer they will be ready. They haven’t even accomplished one major battle without US forces alongside and in the battle with them so far, and it is now 2/08

bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 9:57 PM

willingness to abandon Iraq
Frack Iraq.
Willingness to abandon America is what concerns me.

The government of Iraq is an ally. People who don’t believe that an ally is worth defending will just as soon throw their neighbors and themselves to the enemy. Not wanting to believe that they have thrown the people who trusted them to the tender mercies of the enemy out of convenience, they convince themselves that it was for principle, and extend that principle to their countrymen.

njcommuter on February 28, 2008 at 10:02 PM

I keep forgetting he is the Messiah and as such can see the future….what a load of crap!

-dmann on February 28, 2008 at 9:19 PM

Well,

not

exactly.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 10:05 PM

What’s the mission now? Resolving whether Mohammed’s
rightful successor was Umar or Ali?

That’s an easy one. We flip a coin and find out whether Umar or Ali elects to receive. Shouldn’t take much time or money.

trigon on February 28, 2008 at 10:26 PM

Unlike The Left, Americans (in general) are not a bunch of losers, nor do we wish to to proclaim losing as something grand and “good”.

SouthernGent on February 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM

In other words he is hoping someone else’s plan, that he voted against, works so he looks good when he starts to withdraw troops. That might work with the Democrats, but it won’t fool most of the rest of us. And who says 11 months is the right number of months? Other than al-Qaeda and Iran that is. This guy is just shooting from the hip and hoping beyond hope that somehow it works out OK, or everyone forgives him when he has to make changes when reality hits him in the face.

By the way, you withdraw all troops in 2 years and your going to have a mess on your hands in Iraq. Their forces will need our backup for awhile even after they take over the country completely, and they haven’t been able to do that yet. Maybe in a year from now, maybe longer they will be ready. They haven’t even accomplished one major battle without US forces alongside and in the battle with them so far, and it is now 2/08

-bnelson44 on February 28, 2008 at 9:57 PM

There are quite a few scenarios that could play out in the next year, actually. For example, Sadr could end the cease-fire, which would probably pull critical cards out of the house, and we’d find ourselves back at square one.

I think the bottom line here is that we simply cannot sustain an open-ended commitment at a cost of $3 billion a week, hoping (speaking of hope) that the Iraqis get their ducks in a row eventually…someday. The adventure has already cost exponentially more than the administration originally predicted, and the majority of the Iraqis themselves support a timetable and are against permanent bases. By the time that the 27 months would arrive, we’d had been in there for well over 7 years and had spent a trillion dollars on this thing. One has to draw the line somewhere.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 10:05 PM

From the links and your subtle insinuation, am I to infer that the Mighty O studied and acted on these documents and along with his skill and expertise in middle east policy, military tactics and world diplomacy he decided to disregard the arguments posed by the Bush administration, the UN and our allies. Really, all that from a newly elected jr. Senator. Obama certainly is selling his “I was against the war” as if he did. I find this rhetoric insulting; it is defeatist platitudes and disingenuous, just slick enough to fool the fools!

dmann on February 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM

ChenZhen you sound suspiciously like an old CQ poster named whippoorwill who said Iraq would never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get better.

Domino on February 29, 2008 at 12:17 AM

James Clyburn’s nightmare is materializing. Time for Dan Rather to parachute in with Mary Mapes to do some graphic editing on the next Petraeus update.
By the way, this is probably killing the libtards who run Pew. If Pew reports that 53% say we’ll succeed in Iraq, it’s probably 10 points higher.

Western_Civ on February 29, 2008 at 1:00 AM

Speaking of Pew polls:

In head-to-head matchups with McCain (1,240 RV, MoE +/- 3.5%), Pew finds both Democratic candidates would win.

Clinton 50 – McCain 45
Obama 50 – McCain 43

MB4 on February 29, 2008 at 2:05 AM

Just one word for the majority of Americans – DUH! As former US military myself I can tell you that their is no battle in any war in any theater anywhere in the world against any enemy that we cannot kick their ass and win – PERIOD!!!
To think for a moment that we cannot win in Iraq is ABSURD.

jimbo2008 on February 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM

We can now look forward to fewer and fewer MSM stories about Iraq.

N. O'Brain on February 29, 2008 at 8:37 AM

“There are quite a few scenarios that could play out in the next year, actually. For example, Sadr could end the cease-fire, which would probably pull critical cards out of the house, and we’d find ourselves back at square one.

ChenZhen on February 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM”

Riggghhhht.

If Sadr ever popped his head out of his hole, it’d get blown off like some varmint’s in a cornfield.

Every act of terrorism creates more and more people willing to work with the US. Which, ironically, is the exact opposite of the reactionary leftist meme that the US was creating more terrorists.

I love the smell of irony i the morning.

N. O'Brain on February 29, 2008 at 8:43 AM

jimbo2008 on February 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM

The sad thing is, the “war is lost” in America, while the battles are won by our bravest.

You are so right.

It always pains me to the point of tears that the Left in this country doesn’t understand a simple fact:

If we unify behind achieving victory after deploying, leaving the political infighting for before and after only, then the Sate Department could do its f’n job in between any potential conflicts, and the risk of actually needing to use the military would be closer to zero.

Idiots.

Saltysam on February 29, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Gosh, Big A -

I have only been here a month and look how hopey and changey the situation is. Should my state’s junior senator win, I will make myself available as SecArmy, hah hah…

major john on February 29, 2008 at 9:03 AM

jimbo2008 on February 29, 2008 at 7:46 AM

The sad thing is, the “war is lost” in America, while the battles are won by our bravest.

You are so right.

It always pains me to the point of tears that the Left in this country doesn’t understand a simple fact:

If we unify behind achieving victory after deploying, leaving the political infighting for before and after only, then the Sate Department could do its f’n job in between any potential conflicts, and the risk of actually needing to use the military would be closer to zero.

Idiots.

Saltysam on February 29, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Naw, we may have to go thru a re-education period like the Carter-days, but I have faith (hope with an expectation)that the American people will learn from their mistakes (Reagan years) and eventually do the right thing.

jimbo2008 on February 29, 2008 at 12:28 PM

ChenZhen you sound suspiciously like an old CQ poster named whippoorwill who said Iraq would never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get better.

-Domino on February 29, 2008 at 12:17 AM

No not me. Whenever I can help it, I post using the same handle.

ChenZhen on February 29, 2008 at 12:59 PM