Obama needs advisers, but McCain has the experience

posted at 11:43 am on February 28, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Jack Jacobs at MS-NBC wonders who Barack Obama has as his military advisers. Based on his answers at the debate, Jacobs suggests replacing them at the first opportunity. No one expects a presidential candidate to be an expert on ground combat, but at the very least candidates can hire a few:

But last week, during his debate with Clinton, Obama tried speaking about substance when he mentioned the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he displayed an astounding ignorance of the military instrument. He said that an anonymous U.S. Army captain told him that his infantry platoon was split and sent to different areas of operations; that they were lacking vehicles; and that they had insufficient ammunition to fight.Although problems do occur in combat situations to be sure, none of what Obama related makes any sense and is, according to people with whom I spoke, untrue. Units the size of platoons are not sent to separate theaters, ammunition has been plentiful, and an investigation indicates that the unit in question was missing only one of its Humvees, all to no peril of the unit. ….

Politicians rely heavily, on almost every subject, on advisors to get them educated and keep them current. And nobody really expects Obama or Clinton or even McCain, who was a Navy aviator, to know anything about ground combat. But one does expect the candidate to employ advisors who know what they are talking about and to prevent their candidate from embarrassment.

While Obama has attracted money, notoriety and delegates, he has yet to attract military advisers who know what they are doing.

It helps to understand the macro concepts as well. When Obama talked about our military “air raiding villages and civilians” in Afghanistan, he showed a remarkable disengagement from the actual events in a theater even he calls critical to the war on terror. The use of close air support in fighting Taliban attacks derailed their last spring offensive, and it helped kill some of their highest-ranking leaders.

Obviously, his advisers either haven’t improved since then, or they haven’t been replaced with people who know what they’re doing. Democrats can be forgiven for their continued support of Obama, however, because the alternative doesn’t appear to be much of an improvement. Hillary Clinton has shown the same kind of diffidence to military strategy and policy as Obama, even though she has better sense about making sweeping pronouncements on the subject.

John McCain should focus on this gap, and based on his rapid-fire engagement with Obama on al-Qaeda in Iraq yesterday, he looks ready to do so. McCain may have served as a naval aviator, but he has also served on the Armed Services Committee for years. He knows a platoon from a battalion, and he knows the structure, purpose, and strategy for the American military better than most of the people in and out of Washington. Wartime is not the moment for apprenticeship at the highest level of command, and McCain needs to remind America of that truth.


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He needs no advisors – he is the messiah

Villanova on February 28, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Looking forward to continue reading you here captain.

TexasJake on February 28, 2008 at 11:47 AM

When Obama talked about our military “air raiding villages and civilians” in Afghanistan

OMG… sounds like John f’n Kerry

Chakra Hammer on February 28, 2008 at 11:49 AM

When your national defense plan consists of 1) Negotiate; 2) Surrender, you really don’t need to brush up all that much on the military.

Sugar Land on February 28, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Merrill “Tony” McPeak is a big Obama military advisor.

shudder…that association makes it easy for me to vote for McCain.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 11:51 AM

Obama sounds funny when he tries to attack McCain on Iraq. Hillary is grating when she does it. I hope Obama wins

PrezHussein on February 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM

JFK he ain’t.

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM

OT- I think Drudge is gaint tool for reporting this story

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashph.htm

Lance Murdock on February 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Why Barack Hussein needs military advisers when he got the POWER of the speech?? Ooooo Scary!!

Indy Conservative on February 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Read all of your posts Ed and just wanted to say that Bryans departure, although sad, has been filled and he would be proud.

Welcome

Job well done.

broker1 on February 28, 2008 at 11:54 AM

“Things are going to get rough, and I need a wartime consiglieri.”

Hmmmm which one fits

Butters on February 28, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Facts? We don’t need no stinin facts!

TooTall on February 28, 2008 at 11:55 AM

B.O. still needs to win over the US Military. I do not know of ANY Marines or Soldiers who are voting for B.O. and the few I know who are voting for Hitlery, are questionable.

McCain doesn’t have to win over the Military…. Many people in the Military remember the Clinton years. Nothing to use to repair anything, no money to get supplies that were needed. Then Bush came in and WHOA… The money you couldn’t get to buy a 2 dollar peice of plastic for a hydralic line was there as well as money to order a new Vehicle! Or a freaking RAISE.. a RAISE, God BLESS GWB a RAISE! Or the Vet’s finally getting looked at at the VA hospitals. The Vets remember too!

The people who have been in the military longer remember. I think B.O. or Hitlery may need to sit and think about the military members and vets of this Nation!

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 11:55 AM

I’m becoming more and more confident that McCain is going to win in a landslide. Obama is getting by with charm because there is nothing to debate Clinton on. They agree on everything. McCain is going to school Obama and make the Romney slapdown look like a day at the beach.

noelgallagher2k on February 28, 2008 at 11:55 AM

http://www.blueoregon.com/2007/10/oregonian-gener.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-mcpeak

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 19, 2007

Shades of Tony McPeak
Anyone who served in the U.S. Air Force over the past 20 years experienced their share of unit reorganizations. Beginning in the early 1990s, the service initiated a series of efforts to restructure wing-level organizations. Among other things, the various schemes saw the resurrection of groups (as an intermediate-level organization, controlling operations, maintenance, or support squadrons), and the creation of new units that directed functions as diverse as weather and intelligence.

The mastermind of the reorganization effort was General Merrill “Tony” McPeak. As the Commander of Pacific Air Forces in the late 1980s, McPeak began tinkering with various reorganization concepts, including the so-called “Composite Wing,” which melded diverse aircraft, missions and personnel into a single unit. When McPeak became the Air Force Chief of Staff in 1991 (after the unfortunate dismissal of General Mike Dugan), the experiment was expanded across the service.

General McPeak retired from active duty in 1994, but even today, Air Force veterans of that era still shudder at the changes he tried to impose. The truly unfortunate served in the afore-mentioned composite wings, which created maintenance, personnel and logistical nightmares. Wings that operated a single type of aircraft were also reorganized, with the addition of new groups to manage functionally-grouped squadrons, and enlarged squadrons that, in some cases, absorbed tasks and duties that were previously beyond their control.

http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2007/12/shades-of-tony-mcpeak.html

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM

It is time to get your game face on John McHale. Just remember who the enemy is—the liberal democommunists not the conservatives. Play to win and take no prisoners (that would solve the problem with Guantanamo). Do me a favor McHale, stop hugging the enemy and stop kicking your friends in the nuts.
De Oppresso Liber,

surfergod on February 28, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Lance Murdock on February 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM

Ok so Harry is on the front lines… Is that going to help b.O. or Hitlery?

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Tony F’n McPeak. shudder

Somewhere, Tony McPeak must be smiling. And, in case you’re wondering, the retired Chief of Staff is now serving as a senior advisor to the presidential campaign of Barrack Obama. Given General McPeak’s history, we can only imagine what the Air Force would look like under an Obama administration.

great first comment on the formerspook post:

M

ick Kraut said…
Perhaps its my personal biases showing but why is it that so many of those who have proven the Peter Principle as true, created undo stress and disruption to military operations or damn near ruined everything they touched always end up working on the left side of the aisle? Clark comes to mind and now McPeak does as well…

Don’t do the unthinkable and elect somebody who treasures the advice of Tony McPeak or Wesley Clark on military matters.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Ok so Harry is on the front lines… Is that going to help b.O. or Hitlery?

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM

Should help Bush, he is “working with other countries..” BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

Chakra Hammer on February 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM

upinak it is stupid to publish details about the service of a “high value” target. It increases the danger for the prince and for all the other guys in his unit.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Y’know what PISSES me off about Obama’s retort to McCain that before “George Bush and John McCain invaded Iraq” there WAS NO “Al Qa’eda in Iraq”.

Yeah, well, not the CURRENT version of the terrorist umbrella in Iraq under the Al-Qa’eda brand.

BUT…let’s remember people…wasn’t Saddam’s government pretty much harboring Abu Musa’b al-Zarqawi and also allowing him pretty much a porous border policy to flit back & forth between Iraq and Iran to the east, and then Iraq and Syria and/or Jordan to the west, BEFORE the March 2003 invasion even started?

I think I remember news coverage to that effect from the time…can anybody else help clarify?

McCain really needs to skewer Bambi on this point!
SHAME ON YOU, BARACK OBAMA! You’re twisting the truth of what really happened to feed your culties what they want to hear.

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Didn’t the chairman of the Joint Chief of Staffs say they had no reason to disbelieve Obama’s comments regarding weapon and ammo shortages during the early phase?

a capella on February 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM

POW in a lost war does not “experience” make…

TOPV on February 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I commented on another story that I heard Obama fire back at McCain claiming AlQaeda wasn’t in Iraq before we invaded. He had been paying attention….aparantly not. Is he that stupid and ignorant or just lying through his teeth? (Don’t need to answer that.)

I guess he never heard of Zarquari ot the huge terrorist AlQaeda training camp our troops destroyed very early after the invasion….with the 747 fuselage as a training tool in it.

Why in the world can’t we nail these people to the wall with their LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? I know, the media lets them spew this crap and get away with it.

libhater on February 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Chakra Hammer on February 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Blah!?

So what if Harry is on the front lines? Afgahnistan is a U.N. joint multi nation war. Drudge says he is on the frontlines? Where on the frontlines? He has been there for 3 months. I have friends who have been there since June!

Just because he is royalty, doesn’t mean he isn’t human, or the fact he could be the biggest jerk in the world. I just don’t care about Harry being on the frontlines right now.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 12:08 PM

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:05 PM

How about putting some news about OUR HEROS! I want to hear about our AMERICAN Heros.

Is that better for you?!

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Obama has assured us he intends to withdraw troops, retreat and surrender in Iraq.

You don’t need a military advisor on your campaign staff to help you define that kind of cowardice posturing to the public. In fact, you’d have trouble finding one who would step up to the plate for you.

Wesley Clark being the exception, of course.

fogw on February 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM

upinak? what on earth are you talking about? It was dumb to let the enemy know where a crown prince will be serving with a unit full of men who don’t deserve to be targeted more than they already would have been because of the “famous” guy in the group.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM

Testing: nice new digs Capt’n; congrats!

R/dale

Dale in Atlanta on February 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Quick!!! Someone plug in the telepromptor!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on February 28, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Funky… I don’t give a cow patty about Harry. Period.

If he was sooooo targeted (and not constantly surrounded by his own men) even if they didn’t say exactly where he is, I still don’t give a cow patty.

I want to hear about our guys for once. Does that make it easy for you? Or do you like watching and listening about other’s soldier who don’t stay in Iraq or Afgahnistan 15 months?

And insurgants don’t care about anything, except how to get to those 72 virgins.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Obama chairs a subcommittee that could hold hearings on the problems in Afghanistan.

He has been the chairman for A YEAR and hasn’t held one hearing on it.

He said he was too busy campaigning for pres.

Hit him ON THAT!

ArmyAunt on February 28, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Why would you spill the beans as to where Harry is? It’s great that he’s serving, but thanks to that story, Drudge has officially become that fat chick in high school who had all the gossip.

Wesley Clark being the exception, of course.

fogw on February 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM

I was going to say that! Well, not exactly, but definitely that guy’s name!

emailnuevo on February 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Once Lord Obama is enthroned there will be no more war. It will rain honey and the tempurature will remain a steady 77 degrees. Cartoon wildlife will frollic over a verdant plain dotted here and there with communities of VW busses housing tie died hippies grazing on bark and twigs. Sounds of Karen Carpenter and Burt Bacharach will intermingle with those of the Greatfull Dead streaming mysticaly from the sheer power of hope.

The Age of Aquarius is at hand!

ronsfi on February 28, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Prince Harry’s just not news this American cares about.

But in interesting conspiracy theory would be:

What if this is Prince Chuckles’ way of trying to kill off a bastard son who really isn’t his? It’s often rumored Harry looks a LOT like Diana’s former lover, the red-headed dude…was an RAF officer, wasn’t he?

I wouldn’t put it past QEII nor Chuckles if Diana’s death was really a “hit” to kill off an impending marriage to a Muslim and/or delivery of a half-former-royal half-arab muslim baby. It was rumored Diana was preggers with Dodi Al-Fayed’s kid at the time of her death.

It’s just conspiracy theorizing, and probably isn’t true, but it’s interesting to consider.

But as far as Harry getting sent to Off-gone-iss-tahn, as far as I’m concerned “who cares”?

Shirotayama on February 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Except for the occaisional loud BOOOOOOM!

ronsfi on February 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM

The democratic party has reinforced failure in foreign policy since President Johnson.

And for those who think Iraq is innocent of any harm to America pre Gulf War, I say “Remember the USS Stark (FFG-31)”

RWD

NaCly dog on February 28, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I frankly don’t care about Prince Harry, but was just responding to the folks asking why Drudge was a prick for publicizing the story. It increases the risk to his mates, and to him as well.

We need to keep the Brits in Afghanistan for as long as we can. Do you think the populace that still throws hysterical fits over Diana could deal with her son being a casualty?

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:30 PM

While one Presidential candidate, (John McCain) has the vision to foresee a total marginalization of terrorist activities throughout the region by the use of military strength first, and then diplomatic reconciliation—-the other candidate, (Barak Obama) with virtually no foreign policy experience or the resolve to finish off a weakened and leaderless faction of a scattered and battered enemy, has positioned himself to cater to the anti-war radical left who would rather surrender to our enemies abroad.

While most of Europe is standing/sitting on the sidelines watching the U.S. do the “dirty work” they are incapable of, a grateful and sacrificial nation once again rises to the task of providing other nations to achieve the freedom and individual liberty from the tyranny and oppression of a sick and disillusioned society that preys on the weak——-which is this battle against world-wide terrorism.

Surrender is not an option, and John McCain clearly knows this.

Barak Obama or John McCain? The choice should be crystal clear.

Rovin on February 28, 2008 at 12:36 PM

I guess he never heard of Zarquari ot the huge terrorist AlQaeda training camp our troops destroyed very early after the invasion….with the 747 fuselage as a training tool in it.

libhater on February 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Salman Pak?

James on February 28, 2008 at 12:45 PM

POW in a lost war does not “experience” make…

TOPV on February 28, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Right. Much less builder of character than spending part of your youth doing blow.

Chuck Schick on February 28, 2008 at 12:51 PM

He knows a platoon from a battalion, and he knows the structure, purpose, and strategy for the American military better than most of the people in and out of Washington. Wartime is not the moment for apprenticeship at the highest level of command, and McCain needs to remind America of that truth.

While I agree with the fact that experience should be part of Tricepratop’s campaign theme and that the Presidency isn’t an entry level job……

I disagree that hanging out in Senate hearing rooms gives him some special insight into structure, purpose, and strategy. Let’s not forget the way McCain blasted the AF over tanker leases because it worked against his special interests. Let’s not forget his very personal vendetta against Secretary Rumsfeld (would a President McCain abide a Senator telling him how to run the DOD?)

Finally, and most compelling- If Tricepratops has special insight from years of Congressional service in military-related committee work so does Jack Murtha.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Obama’s voting record, in part:

On May 24, 2007, he voted against continued funding of our troops in Iraq. He was one of only 14 negative votes, meaning most of his Democratic colleagues opposed him.

On Jan. 11, 2007, he voted against reform on earmarks, the basis of pork-barrel spending – again contradicting the majority of his fellow Democrats.

On June 22, 2006, he voted against procurement of F-22A fighter aircraft and F-119 engines – again contradicting the majority of his fellow Democrats.

On May 17, 2006, he voted against an increase in the amount of fencing and vehicle barriers along the southwest border of the U.S. – again contradicting the majority of his fellow Democrats.

On Sept. 29, 2005, he opposed the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice John Roberts.

On Aug. 3, 2007, he voted against expanding the power of U.S. intelligence agencies to eavesdrop on foreign terror suspects.

On April 26, 2007, he voted to set dates for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

On March 29, 2007, he voted to start withdrawing troops from Iraq last summer.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Who needs advisers, he will probably use a magic 8 ball.

mattyj86 on February 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM

And insurgants don’t care about anything, except how to get to those 72 virgins.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Actually, taking down a high value target MAY cause Britons to rethink their involvement in “our” WOT.

I frankly don’t care about Prince Harry, but was just responding to the folks asking why Drudge was a prick for publicizing the story. It increases the risk to his mates, and to him as well.
We need to keep the Brits in Afghanistan for as long as we can. Do you think the populace that still throws hysterical fits over Diana could deal with her son being a casualty?

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Zactly, Funky. I’m with you on this one. Unnecessary move by Drudge. I’d rather get “scoops” on where Bin Laden is, not those “famous” people trying to hunt him down and keep the world a safer place.

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Oh, so McCain was just a “POW in a lost war” now.

That mask slipped a little TOPV. Might want to give it a wee tug.

Otherwise folks may start to wonder why you are so eager to support a guy who will make sure all our folks who have died over there will be said to have given the ultimate sacrifice “in a lost war.”

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:59 PM

If Tricepratops has special insight from years of Congressional service in military-related committee work so does Jack Murtha.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM

What’s “Tricepratops”?

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 1:02 PM

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Might wanna look on Afgahnistan again. It is a U.N. war, we were asked to assist and got it where the sun don’t shine.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Funky Chicken- can you give me a link for those Obama vote?

thx

Chuck Schick on February 28, 2008 at 1:03 PM

I love that pic for this story… “Army Training Sir”.

Fires1 on February 28, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I frankly don’t care about Prince Harry, but was just responding to the folks asking why Drudge was a prick for publicizing the story. It increases the risk to his mates, and to him as well.

We need to keep the Brits in Afghanistan for as long as we can. Do you think the populace that still throws hysterical fits over Diana could deal with her son being a casualty?

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Exactly my point. If Harry gets killed or worse gets capature and torture, the Brits will be demanding to get out of Afghanistan.

Lance Murdock on February 28, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Let’s not forget the way McCain blasted the AF over tanker leases because it worked against his special interests.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 12:52 PM

That’s a terrible example. There were a million reasons to blast the tanker lease program.

BohicaTwentyTwo on February 28, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Might wanna look on Afgahnistan again. It is a U.N. war, we were asked to assist and got it where the sun don’t shine.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Huh? What do you mean?

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Obama’s a fool or a closet muslim you decide which I’ve already made my choice.

limowilliam on February 28, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Obama is going to whip McCain easily in the charm and oratory department, so Mac had better take full advantage of his one clear advantage.

In theory, McCain should dominate Obama on C-i-C issues. Here’s hoping he gets down to the domination business sooner rather than later.

james23 on February 28, 2008 at 1:10 PM

highhopes, that is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

That tanker lease deal was a POS. A Pentagon civilian went to jail over that deal, and Boeing was dirty up to their eyeballs.

And now who’s building the “virtual” fence? Boeing.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Obama appears to be doing nothing so much as advertising for the job of Jimmy Carter, Redux.

Say what you will about McCain (and there is much to be said, to be sure), he will not gut our military, give our enemies space to regroup behind a feel-good screen of taqiaa (which a hobbled intelligence-gathering apparatus will be unable to pierce), and render our economy so sclerotic it will be unable to recover from the devastating blow that the near-inevitable Next Attack will deliver.
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I have very significant reservations about Mack. But it would be sheer folly to act in such a way as to even minutely increase the chances that Obama and his flock will have a crack at the Oval Office.

Stories like these bring that into very stark focus.

Noocyte on February 28, 2008 at 1:16 PM

califemme, with upinak, highhopes et al, one must consider the source.

It appears that upinak has Kosovo and Afghanistan confused or something.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Our Military are in Afgahnistan for 15 months, while the other U.N. troops from different countries are there at most 8 months.

Would you think it fair? Especially since most of our guys and gals there in Afg are on their 2nd and 3rd deployment. While as the U.N. Troops who have gone, usually do not go back.

Look it up. Afgahnistan was a U.N. started war. The US was asked to help (as usual) and the US Military is getting screwed over as usual. No other U.N. Country sends in as many troops as the US. Finally France is getting in on the game. Britan, yes has been there, but they do not deploy as long, and then a few U.N. countries took all their troops out. The other countires need to either step up on Afg.

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 1:16 PM

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:16 PM

Are you sure about that Funky? You do know we still have some Military in Kosovo and Bosnia right? LOL… good Lord!

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Obama votes–Joseph Farah at WND

gotta go, volunteer shift time

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:18 PM

What’s “Tricepratops”?

Califemme on February 28, 2008 at 1:02 PM

The rhino-looking dinosaur. Perfect nickname for the RINO dinosaur running for President.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 1:23 PM

BohicaTwentyTwo on February 28, 2008 at 1:08 PM

Fine you don’t like that example but what about McCain’s very personal vendetta against Rumsfeld? What about the comparison of time in Congress to having special insight. You’ve essentially ignored the bulk of the points I was making to find one grain of sand just to prop up Tricepratops.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 1:25 PM

But I’m with you, there are tons of good reasons to support McCain along with some reasons not to. But the good far outweighs the bad. It’s not even close. The people who won’t vote for McCain aren’t conservatives. They’re fanatics in search of a Messiah. They want a Republican Obama, someone who will allow them to believe that finally the government is going to do the right things to make their lives work well, instead of doing what is necessary on their own.

The Apologist on February 28, 2008 at 11:57 AM

bye!

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:25 PM

highhopes, that is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Think so? Would a President Tricepratops put up with a Senator who was trying to run the DOD and fire the SECDEF? We already know that McCain has uncontrollable anger management problems and is a complete SOB to work for.

As I just posted, you’ve essentially ignored the bulk of the points I was making to find one grain of sand to prop up McCain.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 1:28 PM

califemme….last words here.

I promise you that when my husband flies over Afghanistan he doesn’t change his uniform or put on a special “UN Mission” patch. eyeroll

It ain’t “Multinational Force Afghanistan” like it is in Kosovo

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:30 PM

It wouldn’t be right to point out the military deficencies that Senator Obama has.

jukin on February 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM

The list of military advisors who:
-are Democrats (first requirement for a Democratic candidate),
-are forward-thinking,
-and who have a differing strategy for Iraq…

…well, that’s a short list

DEFINITELY needs to start getting some serious advisors together asap! The schpeel about Al Queda not being in Iraq until the US invaded is a nice distraction from the forward-thinking of what to do in 2009, but it’s not a plan for the future. It’s a look back 5yrs into the past. Yeah, it sells well with the nutroots, but a sans a timemachine…ya better get a plan soon your holiness.

QUESTION: Didn’t the Democrats run on the idea that they would get the US out of Iraq and that they had a plan for a New Direction in Iraq? Wasn’t that 2yrs ago? What happened? Was it a problem not having unchecked power on The Hill?

Get a staff and get a plan O

scottm on February 28, 2008 at 1:36 PM

John McCain should focus on this gap, and based on his rapid-fire engagement with Obama on al-Qaeda in Iraq yesterday, he looks ready to do so.

I really don’t think that McCain would be well advised to focus on Iraq. Last poll I saw, 70% of Americans want the U.S. out of Iraq within a year. He would probably have a better chance of beating Obama if he just let Iraq stay on the back burner as much as possible and focused on other issues like say the economy. But since I washed my hands of Juan Plantation McVano some time ago, if he wants to ignore my advise and focus on Iraq, go right ahead Juan. Mucha suerte.

McCain may have served as a naval aviator, but he has also served on the Armed Services Committee for years. He knows a platoon from a battalion, and he knows the structure, purpose, and strategy for the American military better than most of the people in and out of Washington. Wartime is not the moment for apprenticeship at the highest level of command, and McCain needs to remind America of that truth.

If Juan knew the structure and purpose of the U.S. military he would know that it is not for “Nation Building”. That would be the State Department and the Peace Corp.

P.S. Most Americans do not consider this to be “War time”, they consider it to be “Shopping time”.

Hi ho, hi ho it’s of to war shop we go.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 1:37 PM

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 1:30 PM

**eyeroll**

Hey Funky… ask your husband if he works at all with any U.N. Forces in Afgahnistan. LOL Might be surprised what you hear.

But then I won’t be wearing a U.N. Patch when I go over either. **eyeroll over**

upinak on February 28, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Here is a surefire (pardon the pun) way to see just how much B.O. really knows about warfare.

Take him out to any local firing range.

Give him an M16 and a clip (loaded with blanks, of course)

Tell him to load the clip into the M16, then aim at the target and fire.

Just don’t tell him about the safety. See if he can figure that out for himself.

pilamaye on February 28, 2008 at 1:44 PM

I’m becoming more and more confident that McCain is going to win in a landslide.

noelgallagher2k on February 28, 2008 at 11:55 AM

I am becoming more and more confident that either you or I are insane.

Time well tell.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 1:48 PM

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 1:25 PM

As for Rummy, meh. There was a point in time when the DoD needed Rumsfeld, and he did very well in helping transform the military from a cold war army trained to face the Warsaw Pact, to one more ready for the asynchronous battlefield. However, he stayed on about two years too long. He was too opinionated to realize we need to drastically change our strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan until it was alomst too late.

BohicaTwentyTwo on February 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Didn’t the chairman of the Joint Chief of Staffs say they had no reason to disbelieve Obama’s comments regarding weapon and ammo shortages during the early phase?

a capella on February 28, 2008 at 12:06 PM

That would be Army Chief of Staff General George Casey.

But then what does he know?

Maybe he is just a phony soldier like General Ricardo Sanchez.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Units the size of platoons are not sent to separate theaters, ammunition has been plentiful, and an investigation indicates that the unit in question was missing only one of its Humvees, all to no peril of the unit. ….

Not to be contriversal on my first post here, but… My company deployed as designed, SEPARATE PLATOONS in support of GWOT to three different, geographically separate countries. Technically still in-theater (if separated by time alone) but that’s the way it went.
24MAR02 I arrived in Bagram with one other soldier. Yes, there were lots of other folks there way before us.
The rest of the platoon followed-on about two weeks later.
Around June another platoon arrived in K2, Uzbekistan.
A third platoon flew into Kuwait around July.
Modular Ammunition Support troops, that was the way we were designed to work.
Oh, and when we arrived in Bagram, we had no ammunition or vehicles. No biggie, as we were able to procure ammo within 24 hours of arrival, and a vehicle within a week.

Thanks Cap’n. Enjoyed your site; hope it works out for ya’ here.

CW2, OD (Ret)

tony the tiger on February 28, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Here is a surefire (pardon the pun) way to see just how much B.O. really knows about warfare.

Take him out to any local firing range.

Give him an M16 and a clip (loaded with blanks, of course)

Tell him to load the clip into the M16, then aim at the target and fire.

Just don’t tell him about the safety. See if he can figure that out for himself.

pilamaye on February 28, 2008 at 1:44 PM

Even better… Tell him about the safety, and wait-n-see what he does when he goes “clickety-click” on the second round.
***’course, you knew that’d happen anyways, right?
I wouldn’t let anybody on a range without basic PMI… just don’t make sense.

tony the tiger on February 28, 2008 at 2:16 PM

That would be Army Chief of Staff General George Casey.

But then what does he know?

Maybe he is just a phony soldier like General Ricardo Sanchez.

MB4 on February 28, 2008 at 2:01 PM

The captain in question said he was referring to a specific training supply shortage 5 years ago. Obama said they had to capture Taliban weapons for use in combat.

He lied, or at least intentionally distorted, to politicize it. Whichever term you like less.

Chuck Schick on February 28, 2008 at 2:21 PM

He was too opinionated to realize we need to drastically change our strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan until it was alomst too late.

BohicaTwentyTwo on February 28, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Agreed, but once again, you are just avoiding the point in an effort to keep from criticizing Tricepratops for things that he should be criticized over. McCain’s vendetta was too public and too personal for it just being a policy difference. JOHN MCCAIN GOING OUT AFTER RUMSFELD IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO MURTHA GOING OUT AFTER THOSE MARINES. Both situations are politicians doing and saying stuff that undermines the military and it is just as evil when McCain does it as it is when Murtha or Durbin does it.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 2:42 PM

tony the tiger on February 28, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Obama’s quote was, “You know, I’ve heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon.”

This wasn’t a CSS platoon, but an infantry unit.

BohicaTwentyTwo on February 28, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Actually, the quote is Jack Jacobs summary of the situation:

Although problems do occur in combat situations to be sure, none of what Obama related makes any sense and is, according to people with whom I spoke, untrue. Units the size of platoons are not sent to separate theaters, ammunition has been plentiful, and an investigation indicates that the unit in question was missing only one of its Humvees, all to no peril of the unit.

While this may be true of a typical infantry unit, it is a generalized statement which, as I understood it, states that units are not deployed as platoons to separate theaters.
OUT

tony the tiger on February 28, 2008 at 3:50 PM

LOL no comment

JOHN MCCAIN GOING OUT AFTER RUMSFELD IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO MURTHA GOING OUT AFTER THOSE MARINES. Both situations are politicians doing and saying stuff that undermines the military and it is just as evil when McCain does it as it is when Murtha or Durbin does it.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 2:42 PM

That, my friends, is the face of MDS.

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Raaaazle Daaaazle.

Because sometimes you need a smile.

fanderbiles on February 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM

funky chicken on February 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Call it what you want but I’m not a Democrat, but a lifelong Republican/conservative. You can demean and dismiss my comments if you like but what does it say that you’re already coining MDS to insult conservatives? You think the Democrats/liberals are going to embrace Triceratops and you can just tell the rest of us to f**k off?

Well back at you!

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 5:53 PM

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 5:53 PM

It won’t be long before she slips up and refers to McCain as a deity figure. It’s right there on her keyboard wanting to come out.:) Can’t fault her for the devotion, though.

a capella on February 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM

a capella on February 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Passion is great but it has to be anchored in reality. McCain is a divisive candidate who essentially wants to kick a good portion of the party to the curb so that he can woo the liberals who are dissatisfied with how far left the Dems have drifted. It’s a different strategy but fickle Democrats aren’t the ones that got out the vote for the GOP these last few decades. I seriously doubt that McCain’s “f**k off” strategy will ultimately work. He’ll either need to mend fences or we get President Obama. I’m currently betting on the latter since McCain seems incapable of anything but his arrogant “screw you” mentality and I don’t know why we should be expected to trust him with foreign affairs when he refuses to even talk to his own party members.

highhopes on February 28, 2008 at 7:42 PM