About That Meet-The-Dictators Tour
posted at 10:30 am on February 25, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Benny Avni at the New York Sun looks at Barack Obama’s promise to meet with America’s enemies, and wonders what could come from this policy. Given that Obama doesn’t discuss the goals or the potential trading points would be, Avni sees the potential for humiliation as far greater than that of progress. It also demonstrates Obama’s moral relativism:
For Mr. Obama, however, dangling high-end diplomatic meetings as an incentive for a change in behavior is bad policy rooted in American hubris. “If we think that meeting with the president is a privilege that has to be earned, I think that reinforces the sense that we stand above the rest of the world at this point in time,” he said during the CNN/Univision debate with Senator Clinton on Thursday.
His aversion to American exceptionalism aside, Mr. Obama’s position evolved out of a primary debate last July, when he casually said he would talk, without preconditions, with the leaders of Iran and Syria. Mrs. Clinton immediately seized on the statement as a gaffe by an inexperienced politician, but Mr. Obama declined to correct his course. He instead doubled down and in last week’s debate said he favored a sit-down with Raul Castro, selected yesterday in Havana as his brother Fidel’s successor, before a single political prisoner is let out of Cuba’s gulags.
Because of his background, Mr. Obama is likely to increase goodwill toward America around the world. The leaders of Cuba, Syria, Iran, and North Korea are likely to welcome him too, which may open up new diplomatic opportunities. But what will he tell them? So far, he has declined to articulate a coherent negotiation policy beyond the need to negotiate.
For tutoring, he may turn to President Clinton’s first secretary of state, Warren Christopher, whose multiple trips to Damascus during the reign of Hafez al-Assad in the mid-1990s famously led to little of note beyond a great humiliation to America’s diplomacy. Or Mr. Obama may want to talk to the European Union’s foreign policy point man, Javier Solana, who has negotiated endlessly with the Iranian mullahs in an effort to convince them to suspend their enrichment. Or he could secretly turn to his nemeses at the current White House. Try Christopher Hill, whose negotiations with the North Koreans were successful on all fronts — except for Pyongyang’s failure to deliver its end of the bargain, as in dismantling its nuclear program.
Supporters of Obama wonder what it would hurt to meet with people like Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong-Il. As Avni explains, it creates a legitimacy that has far-reaching repercussions. In nations ruled by extraordinarily oppressive regimes, we try to support ground-up democratic movements to find alternatives to the dictatorships. These nations directly threaten the US and its allies, and it is in our best interest to encourage the reformers than to publicly befriend their oppressors.
We can, however, push for progress in lower-level diplomatic contacts in hopes of gaining real change by holding out the possibility of higher-level contacts later. We gain more from supporting the reformers than we can in a tea party with the dictators. The point of diplomacy, after all, is to further American interests, and that has usually meant helping to free people from oppression than to give oppressors a nice photo op.
Moreover, in contract to Obama’s rhetoric, the US does stand above many other nations in terms of liberty, justice, and standard of living. North Koreans routinely starve while Kim’s elite delight in Western trade. The Iranians chafe under the theocracy that has brought them misery and poverty despite having enormous oil resources.
Why should an American President consider Iran and the DPRK our equal among nations? Why should Americans elect a man to the presidency who does not believe that we stand above at least those two nations and their dictators? That’s what Barack Obama doesn’t understand, and why his stated foreign policy smacks of dangerous moral relativism.
Cross-posted from Captain’s Quarters.










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welcome to the jungle :)
windansea on February 25, 2008 at 10:38 AM
I think my 11 year old son would have a “tougher” foreign policy position.
MarkABinVA on February 25, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Well said Captain. I fear greatly for our country should Obama be elected POTUS.
kcd on February 25, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Well said. But it’s always about the moral relativism — all the problems in the world are a lack of understanding, and if we just talked to everyone, everything would be ok. Back in the real world, we know that that doesn’t work.
brak on February 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM
The universe operates upon 3 simple principles of matter, energy, and enlightened self interest. I’m not exactly sure how having the president meet with any of these dictators qualifies as enlightened self interest.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on February 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM
A fair number of these dictators and their countries will see this as a sign of weakness. That’s a bad start when dealing with them.
TooTall on February 25, 2008 at 10:41 AM
But…but…but he is the messiah and our enemies will welcome the chance to have a POTUS who won’t be mean to them. We can all just get along now.(Yeah right, that will work.)
Our enemies are salivating at this guy. They will play him like a cheap fiddle and the US will have a great big bulls-eye on it. They can just taste the weakness and will be ready to pounce. It won’t be pretty.
libhater on February 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Congratulations & welcome, Ed.
Lee on February 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Not so fast! Pelosi met with Assad and even sat on his lap. A minor triumph to be sure, yet a shining symbol of our leaders reaching out to aid world peace without the ugly face of politics.
a capella on February 25, 2008 at 10:45 AM
The ‘let’s sit down and chat’ crowd needs to realize that nations like Iran, Syria and North Korea look at the world a lot differently than we do. They don’t see us as a nation they wish to model themselves after, they don’t want to be allies and they don’t have the same agenda we do. How can we possibly sit down and talk with a nation that regularly calls for the destruction of our own nation??
Obama is scary. He has this wave of popularity that is pushing him along despite his obvious lack of substance and/or concrete policy.
Great first post Cap’n!
Luckedout on February 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski. Obama’s National Security advisor. What else do we need to know? 444 days was enough for me.
Limerick on February 25, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Rumors abound that even after shouting “Palomino!,” Assad refused to stop mocking and laughing at Pelosi. Questioned after their encounter, Assad said “And she looked so cute in that headscarf! So I said, ‘that’s not an American third in line for the presidency, that’s my wife!’ HAHAHAHAHA!”
BKennedy on February 25, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Limerick on February 25, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Indeed…
Republican on February 25, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Holy shit, Captain Ed is in the house.
Stankleberry on February 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM
We shall see I suppose. A meeting without preconditions COULD yield a plus though. If Obama OR McCain went there and was totally rebuffed, they could come back, tell the left “We tried…really we tried talking but they won’t change,” and shore up domestic support for a much harder line with them.
ernesto on February 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Lets hope McCAins people can use this…
Theworldisnotenough on February 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Welcome to Hot Air Ed!
vdocam on February 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM
A good ole flash cartoon:
minor content warning
Diplomacy.
Hi everyone, first post!
Conservative Gunman on February 25, 2008 at 10:53 AM
I wonder why this data isn’t paid more lip service in left of center foreign policy circles.
We have held unconditional talks with these leaders before. It hasn’t worked. They just reverse course after their photo ops.
Avni reports this. Will the left of center foreign policy circle even notice?
gabriel sutherland on February 25, 2008 at 10:54 AM
It gets worse here every day :)
fourstringfuror on February 25, 2008 at 10:57 AM
As usual, I can’t add much to this. Welcome to Hot Air, Ed.
steveegg on February 25, 2008 at 10:57 AM
You learn to live like an animal :-)
steveegg on February 25, 2008 at 10:58 AM
An appropriate flash cartoon:
Diplomacy.
Hi everyone, first post!
Conservative Gunman on February 25, 2008 at 10:58 AM
What Obama misses – what everyone seems to miss – is the expectation of “progress” which will be heaped upon him if he holds these meetings.
Western media – and, to be fair, constituents – will expect ‘something positive’ to come from these meetings. Anyone remember the press coverage President Reagan got when he left Iceland without “the deal”?
Having dropped all preconditions to talks, an Obama Administration would have an especially hard time leaving them with nothing more than “a frank exchange of views” – and the pressure would be on him, not them, to deliver.
BD57 on February 25, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Welcome to Hotair Ed. I’m the voice of moderation around here so, no funny business, ok? Just kidding.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM
That abomination was my first real foreign policy memory, especially since a Marine from the neighborhood was one of the Ayatollah’s “guests”.
There definitely is a price for not remembering history.
steveegg on February 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM
You owe me a new keyboard; the Mountain Dew went through the nose when I saw that one.
steveegg on February 25, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Mountain Dew? You must be a southerner. Good man.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 25, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Wow Ed, didn’t realize you’d be closing up shop at Captain’s Quarters as part of this move.
Vizzini on February 25, 2008 at 11:04 AM
So explain to me again how every single American president including Reagan befriended Soviet leaders and was a moral relativist?
freevillage on February 25, 2008 at 11:04 AM
yeeesh, Obama will get manipulated beyond recognition by the Iranians, Norks et al. For them, negotiation is nothing but a stalling tactic and a method to extract concessions from us while they don’t live up to their end of the bargain. oh yeah, and Bomb Pakistan!
trubble on February 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Captain Ed, this is going to be great. Welcome to all the Captain’s Crew you are now officially HotAirheads.
d1carter on February 25, 2008 at 11:08 AM
McCain could do this, but he won’t. He’s so malleable by the press. Obviously, Obama won’t do this. McCain is, really, only marginally better than either of the big leftists. So…
Go-bama! ’08!
urbancenturion on February 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM
p.s., welcome Ed
urbancenturion on February 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Brzezinski saw, first hand, the Nazi rise, and the resulting crush of his country. He saw, first hand, the Stalinist purges, and the resulting crush of his country again. He opposed confrontation in the Cuban Missle Crises.
He opposed confrontation when Russia invaded Czechoslovakia.
He supported the ‘Great Society’ of LBJ. He traded away the Panama canal. He had Jimah’s ear all through his Presidency.
He put together the Camp David accords. Gee that worked out well.
What you get is a appeasement advisor to the President of the United States. ‘Just don’t look em in the eye and everything will be ok’. Doesn’t work for the bully on the playground, and damn sure won’t work as the foreign policy of the United States. Elect Obama and you get this man steering the ship of state.
Limerick on February 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Exactly.
He and his wife are of the Hate America First club.They really do NOT believe in America as it stands…hence the refusal to respect our flag or the anthem.
Change for the sake of change is NOT good.
shooter on February 25, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Welcome Mr. Morressey. I’ve not read your stuff much before, though the fame of your regiment precedes you. I’m looking forward to it!
Spirit of 1776 on February 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM
The Exxon Valdez comes to mind…
trubble on February 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM
I’m going to go ahead and predict that any presidential debates on CNN or PMSNBC will be absent of any and all questions pertaining to foreign affairs.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 25, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Obama rejects the idea that meeting with our President is a privilege to be earned? That can only mean that meeting with our President is an entitlement to be demanded by every thug and dictator who will propagandize his friendship with Young Obama to prove to his oppressed people and his rivals at the UN that his regime is legitimate in the eyes of the US.
He rejects the “sense that we stand above the rest of the world”? I guess that means he wants our country knocked down a peg — in the services of some Utopian illusion of “equality”.
What loathsome things for a presidential candidate to stand for.
RushBaby on February 25, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Prediction that won’t come true because Barack O’Jesus won’t get elected president: First act in office — end embargo of Cuba.
Akzed on February 25, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Sure, to Obama’s MoveOn.org/George Soros benefactors, the Norks and the Mullahs are just “friends we haven’t met”.
So put the tea set on rollers, we’re going to “talk”.
While to MoveOn.org/George Soros, Republican-Americans are filthy rubes and uneducated scum, who need to be shoved aside while Obama institutes the “change” we so desperately need, down home in Stinktown, Alabama.
Obama hasn’t taken a single stance that even slightly defies rigid Democrat political “thought”. How he is supposed to “unify” this country is yet to be explained, but perhaps he’ll take Soros and MoveOn to his traveling road show and they can meet with Assad/Ahmadinejad and they can all engage in some unifying Bush-hating.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2008 at 11:21 AM
BTW…sorry for the bad manners. Welcome to all the Captain’s crew. Beer is in the fridge.
Limerick on February 25, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Or the Titanic.
infidel4life on February 25, 2008 at 11:23 AM
“sorry for the bad manners. Welcome to all the Captain’s crew. Beer is in the fridge.”
Third mate in charge of the poop deck reporting.
Where’s that beer?
NoDonkey on February 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Hell, its all gone already…
don’t know if it’s too early? or too late in the day…
must open curtains.
shooter on February 25, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Hey, Lim, where are the keys to the liquor cabinet?
KelliD on February 25, 2008 at 11:35 AM
I gave em to the Cap’n. :)
Limerick on February 25, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Hey, its the Messiah! The message of HOPE and CHANGE transcends all geopolitical bounndaries, some of you remember the coke a cola add “I’d love to teach the world to sing” OT, welcome Ed, good luck! Fox news is running a story about Republicans for Obama and how the mighty O has picked up key Republican endorsements (Lincoln Chaffee…bawwaaahhhhh)
dmann on February 25, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Thanks for the reminder! As usual, I volunteer to make sammiches!
RushBaby on February 25, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Well done, Captain Ed!
Snooper on February 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Just a Yankee with good taste and a hankering for cold caffeine.
steveegg on February 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Are Vladimir Putin and Hu Jintao “enemies” of America?
alphie on February 25, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Freevillage:
“So explain to me again how every single American president including Reagan befriended Soviet leaders and was a moral relativist?”
We befriended the Soviets because we had to. Obama will (attempt to) befriend dictatorial regimes of small countries because he wants to. If you cannot see the difference between the Soviet Union and, say, present-day Iran or Cuba, I can’t help you.
Oi, Limerick, where’s the junior bar?
Math_Mage on February 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Virtual beer tastes alarmingly close to Bud Lite.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Republicans will put on the air of “talking” to our enemies in order to give us enough time to arm, supply and deploy for the pending battle.
Democrats will talk to our enemies believing kind words will sway our enemies, never noticing they are dutifully planning their next attack on us.
Barack Obama meet Neville Chamberlain.
……. welcome aboard the Ship of Fools Cap’n.
fogw on February 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Freevillage:
The soviet union largely played by the rules and abided by their treaties, experience tells us that the iranians, norks, etc, won’t.
Canadian Imperialist Running Dog on February 25, 2008 at 11:56 AM
I suspect that Obama’s purpose is to empower dictators at the expense of those struggling against them. Remember Carter, whose intentionally threw Nicaragua to the Sandinistas instead of a republican form of government. When he has supported democratic elections, it has always been with the goal of finally seeing a democratically elected stalinist government. Reports say he was spitting mad when the Nicaraguans elected Chamorro over Ortega.
When Obama says we are no better then Ahmadinijad, take him at his word. This is what he believes. He does not want to support republican government around the world, but will be a bitter enemy of it. He is a hard leftist. We have seen these people for a century. They believe that liberal democracy (economic liberty, or capitalism, and democracy) is a corrupt and immoral system that oppresses the world. Liberty is oppression. That is the leftist formula. His version of freeing the “oppressed” will be to free them from liberty.
The purpose of talks with the likes of Ahmadinijad will be precisely to establish their legitimacy. He will do everything in his power to insure that they get nukes, so that we cannot interfere with them. To Obama, Carter was an amateur. Don’t mistake his disastrous ideas for bumbling. Obama has plans.
Alec on February 25, 2008 at 12:27 PM
If the Iranians get the ICBM and the bomb together will Barack help them with targeting?
snaggletoothie on February 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Thanks for addressing this, captain. It was the quote in the debate that stood out the most to me, yet I hadn’t seen many discuss it.
MayBee on February 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Interesting review IMO but of course Obama supporters would just brush it aside and call it fear mongering because any questioning of the Messiah’s wisdom is oppressing hope and change.
Yakko77 on February 25, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Welcome, Ed.
Jaibones on February 25, 2008 at 12:53 PM
“All who disagree with me, the great equalizer, are rubes” – - Barack Obama
p.s. fogw, thanks for the smiles.
Entelechy on February 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Know what I noticed that I haven’t seen anyone else pick up on?
In the Austin debate, not only did His Obamaness say he’d meet with Fredo Castro, but he said he’d–I forget exactly what it was–do something like ease restraints on the amount of money Cuban exiles can send back to family members in Cuba…as a “show of good faith.” And he used the phrase more than once.
A show of good faith.
So not only do we need to talk to tyrants, we need to atone as well.
Typhoon on February 25, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Shocker: Barak has it backwards. By saying that a meeting with the POTUS is a ‘priviledge to be earned’ he projects his own disrespect for the office into his response. As for the other part of the sentence, well, we do stand above the rest of the world, even now when the corruption in our gov’t has hit new highs.
Barak and the rest of the lefty lunatics have to grow up, face facts and get over this fact, (we are still the engine that drives the world) and yes, they will have to really walk the talk, be a true public servant and tell the truth–if they want the respect and support of the American People.
Christine on February 25, 2008 at 1:28 PM
“Barak has it backwards. By saying that a meeting with the POTUS is a ‘priviledge to be earned’ he projects his own disrespect for the office into his response.”
Absolutely. He’s saying the duly elected President of the United States is no better than some two-bit thug who murdered enough people to get to the point where he can oppress and loot the country.
Pathetic.
NoDonkey on February 25, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Well, I, for one, would rather our president sit down and have tea with our FRIENDS, rather than our enemies.
mebbe’ it’s just me
franksalterego on February 25, 2008 at 1:54 PM
SO LET’S SEE WHERE WE ARE IN AMERICA: We have…
1)A megalomaniac former first lady who will ram her socialism down our throats because “she knows what’s best” for us.
2) An absolute dunderheaded incompetent nincompoop who will bomb our allies and talk to our enemies because “he knows what’s best” for us.
3)An egotistical war hero with a political ax to grind: “you’re not an American unless you see it just like I do” because “he knows what’s best” for us…
Not alot to have a positive attitude about is there
jimbo2008 on February 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I agree…and it sends shivers down my spine….
kcd on February 25, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Or increase the appearance of a weakness to the point that the President was forced into acting somewhere just to prove that US credibility hadn’t really vanished.
Even more important issue, though: Is the Obama Administration going to install a delicatessan-style numbered-tag dispenser outside the Oval Office to help dictators and terrorists line up?
CK MacLeod on February 25, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Save all the bad manners for our dear friends on the left Limerick, and thanks for the kind welcome.
Christine, I had no idea you good folks here at Hot Air believed in miracles. Is that the sky opening up?
/sarc-off
Rovin on February 25, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Hey, I think I like this Ed guy…. ;)
joewm315 on February 25, 2008 at 2:49 PM
“If we think that meeting with the president is a privilege that has to be earned, I think that reinforces the sense that we stand above the rest of the world at this point in time.”
Okay, um, so that’s why George Bush hasn’t met with, say, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Because we’re above it? Or is it because he is unabashedly anti-American, calls for Israel’s destruction and has actively sought/is seeking nuclear weapons in defiance of the U.S and the allied free nations of the world? These governments are threats that need to be isolated and coerced into changing. Hugging it out is not going to change Mahmoud’s mind, or Kim Jong Il’s mind about matters. America doesn’t need to haggle diplomatically when it is confronting evil.
mattyj86 on February 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM
Freevillage:
Our dealings with the Soviets rarely just “got us together to talk.”
To date, it sounds like Senator Obama’s proposing a “Getting to Know You” Tour … no, make that a “Groveling Getting to Know You” Tour.
Meeting for the sake of meeting is beyond a waste of time, it’s potentially dangerous. It’d be a repeat of President Tom @ Columbia.
BD57 on February 25, 2008 at 3:20 PM
Obama’s foreign policies threaten our national security
Hunt035 on February 25, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Rush read parts of this on his show today. An important article on the America-hating Obamessiah:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html
“Cherchez la femme,” advised Alexander Dumas in: “When you want to uncover an unspecified secret, look for the woman.” In the case of Barack Obama, we have two: his late mother, the went-native anthropologist Ann Dunham, and his rancorous wife Michelle. Obama’s women reveal his secret: he hates America.
Django on February 25, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Excellent analysis Capt. I enjoy your blog and am happy that you`re here as well.
ThePrez on February 25, 2008 at 3:57 PM
I haven’t seen this brought up yet but did anyone catch Obama’s doublespeak on meeting with our adversaries? As President, he promises to personally meet and negotiate with our adversaries without preconditions.
When asked in the Austin debate if he would meet with Raul Castro without preconditions, he said yes BUT he would first insist that an agreed agenda (or as he said a “pre-agenda”) be worked out that would include such things as human rights, terrorism, etc.
Sooooo…Sen. Obama, is not a “pre-agenda” in fact a “condition” or do I, as conservative thinker just don’t get it?
Bayshoreman on February 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Just in case Obama is elected President, get your passports…
newton on February 25, 2008 at 7:17 PM
As a Christian I am sure that once in the White House – if he ever gets there – Obama will preach the gospel of repentance and faith in Christ. Not heard much of it yet! Of course he may change his “Christian” method of praying to one in which he uses a prayer mat and rely on the freedom of religion argument. Always been a Christian but went to a mosque as a child – I think somewhat unclear in his philosophy – or perfectly clear!
dave7778 on February 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM