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What’s The Matter With California?

posted at 12:39 am on February 24, 2008 by see-dubya
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Saw this book on the shelf today and can’t wait to pick it up–because it presumes to answer a question I’ve been asking myself for various reasons since I arrived here. The author is Jack Cashill, a World Net Daily columnist who, though he expounds some of their more lurid Clinton conspiracy theories (Flight 800 was a terrorist attack that was covered up, Ron Brown’s plane was…well, not sure how far he takes that one), still tells a pretty good story about the Left Coast.

Growing up…I did not realize I lived in a particularly crowded place. I never presumed that I was entitled to a seat on the subway, a diamond lane on the parkway, or a virgin stretch of beach to run around naked on. The people in California do, and that is, I would learn, part of what’s the matter.

The title, of course, is a play on the title of Thomas Frank’s book, “What’s the Matter With Kansas?”, which wondered why Kansans kept voting conservative when anyone could see that progressives really had their best interests at heart. Apparently Frank’s salvo at Kansas mentioned Jack Cashill by name, and inspired a retaliatory book. I love this kind of reversal–conservatives have often complained about liberals going off to study us as if we were some sort of freakish anthropological oddity, like (as Jonah Goldberg put it) Dian Fossey chasing her Gorillas in the Mist. Well, here’s a fellow from Kansas City donning his pith helmet and hacking through the jungles of the Golden State, notebook in hand and tongue in cheek.

It’s a question that concerns the nation, not just California, since so many of the crazy ideas that land on the rest of the country arrive there courtesy of the the progressive whiz kids running the show out here. Not content to reduce their own state to a destitute, near-socialist moral shambles, Californians like Nancy Pelosi are eager to export the Palominocrat agenda to the rest of the country. What’s wrong with California will likely very soon be wrong with your neck of the woods as well.

I tell visitors here that California represents the best and worst of America: It’s rich, tolerant, creative, dynamic, and beautiful. It’s also vain, avaricious, collectivist, anti-intellectual, and oversexed. The contradictions are vexing: how can the state that gave us Reagan give us so many Jerry Browns? How can the home of the San Fernando valley porn industry also give us American religious phenomena like Aimee Semple McPherson and Rick Warren? How do Cal Berkeley and the Claremont Institute spring from the same weird soil?

Some of the problems are obvious: an entitled liberal aristocracy (especially in Hollywood, but also the Bay Area jet set), race-hustling politicians, a Democratic political machine with great job security, an unchecked flow of immigrants with no incentive to assimilate, too many green activists with too much power, no conservative newspaper to balance the dull leftist mediocrity of the LA Times and the SF Chronic…

I could go on ad nauseum, but I’ll bet you Hottie commenters have some pretty good ideas about what’s wrong with California as well.


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I’ll tell ya what’s wrong with California…too damned many Californians!!!!

Big John on February 24, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Never been to California..

1. lots of weirdos
2. lots of earthquake’s
3. lots of wildfires
4. lots of illegal aliens
5. lots of gangs/violence in the large cities
6. lots of bias in the media
7. lots of drugs
8. lots of porn
9. lots of ACLU people
10. Berkley

>:}

Having said all that, I would still like to visit to gawk at the hot babes. ;)

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 12:56 AM

California represents the best and worst of America

The worst: SoCal

The best: NorCal

fourstringfuror on February 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM

10. Berkeley* even

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM

My company has facilities there, and the people I deal with seem perfectly normal. I’ll be sure to ask them what’s wrong with them the next time I can. They’ll get a kick out of it.

SouthernGent on February 24, 2008 at 1:01 AM

The worst: SoCal

The best: NorCal

fourstringfuror on February 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM

What is the centerline?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:03 AM

Been to California. LA, San Fran, San Diego, Eureka and all point between. It’s a beautiful place. It has some ugly people.

It also has some great people. Ronald Reagan was a Californian.

Biggest problem? Too many jackasses

Kini on February 24, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Nice place to visit, wouldn’t want to live there. I think it has already spread,hence Obamamania. In the past I would have thought only Californians to be ignorant enough to fall for Chebama Messiah…

DCJeff on February 24, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Liberals that don’t want to do a damn thing about immigration and then turn around and oppose the infrastructure development necessary to deal with the population growth. Then they complain about the environmental consequences of this population growth.

I haved lived in suburban LA my entire life. I can’t wait to get out of this state. If it weren’t for family here I already would have left. The demographic changes in my area in the 20 years since I graduated from high school have left me feeling like I don’t even live in a community anymore.

Mark1971 on February 24, 2008 at 1:07 AM

Let me correct that…
Born in Illinois, Reagan moved to Los Angeles, California in the 1930s – Ronald Reagan was a Californian.

Kini on February 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM

As a native Californian who was eventually forced to leave the state because of the havoc wrought by immigrants (and here I am specifically referring to people from New York and New Jersey), I feel I can definitively answer this question.

California was a fairly “purple” state, electing a fair number of Republican governors and senators, and with a more or less balanced state legislature, until the Republicans there decided to (1) become ideologically pure and (2) go anti-immigrant.

The result was an electoral debacle that may never be undone. Reduced to impotent minority status, the Republicans have basically turned the state over to the Democrats. This is an object lesson in what happens when you let the “perfect” be the enemy of the “good enough”.

It is true that Governor Schwarzenegger is a Republican, but (1) the “true believers” don’t think he is one of them and (2) he never could have gotten past them in a primary in a normal election year. Once he is done, so are the Republicans, and the state will move even more quickly to the left.

If you want to see what the California experiment would look like conducted on a national scale, purge all the “RINO’s” and let your 150 Representatives and 25 senators look on in impotent fury as a Democratic President and legislative super-majority do whatever the heck they like without any danger of ever being called to electoral account.

HTL on February 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM

What is the centerline?

West Virginia

BacaDog on February 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM

I’m looking at a map of California, is San Francisco considered Northern or Southern?

Since Berkeley looks to be a bit north of San Francisco I guess all of it is Southern(BAD AREA)

>:}

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Hey, Kini. You a golf fan? Did you go to the LPGA tourney today in Honolulu?

BacaDog on February 24, 2008 at 1:11 AM

California is all mixed up together. New Agers and Mega Churches. Hollyweird and Marine Training Base near Oceanside. I have no idea why.

I was born there but we moved when I was in third grade. The small earthquakes are fun! The big ones, not so much. I do miss the beach though!

Ordinary1 on February 24, 2008 at 1:12 AM

I lived in Los Angeles for a few years in the late 80s. See-Dubya, you make some excellent points. LA was definitely a city of extremes.

Chakra, San Fran is NoCal.

Metro on February 24, 2008 at 1:14 AM

Don’t let Californians migrate to where you live and Californicate your state.

Highwayman on February 24, 2008 at 1:15 AM

I’ll tell ya what’s wrong with California…too damned many Californians!!!!

Big John on February 24, 2008 at 12:46 AM

Actually just the opposite. A very large percentage of native Californians have left the golden state which is a large part of why liberals have have managed to create a socialist heaven except Ca. is 17 bil in debt and in charge liberal lawmakers think raising taxes and running off even more businesses.

Speakup on February 24, 2008 at 1:15 AM

Nothing to add.

Just wanted to say – awesome post.

Professor Blather on February 24, 2008 at 1:18 AM

Never been to California..

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 12:56 AM

Not to point out the blisteringly obvious …

… but how exactly are you different than Left-wing pundits who have opinions about Iowa or Tennessee without ever setting foot there?

Professor Blather on February 24, 2008 at 1:21 AM

FWIW I love the Central Valley and Central Coast and recommend it to any potential tourists. It was settled by Okies and retains some common sense. Victor Davis Hanson is from there. And the scenery along the coast…wow. So: Santa Barbara up through Monterey–best part.

You go around the bay from Monterey, though, and you hit Santa Cruz. Which is pretty much Berkeley south.

see-dubya on February 24, 2008 at 1:21 AM

George S. Patton was born in San Gabriel. L.A. County.

Stephen M on February 24, 2008 at 1:21 AM

Fabian Nunez, Ahhhhhhnoooode, and Mayor Tony “Family Man” Villar. There’s at least three (3) problems with California. I know, I’ve lived here in SOCAL all my life. Used to be a GREAT place to live….dude!!! ha ha ha

DfDeportation on February 24, 2008 at 1:22 AM

West Virginia

BacaDog on February 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Uhhh..

I got stuck in West Virginia once.

Beckley, West Virginia to be specific in the mid 90’s for about three days, while working with my brother in law…

ehhh..
Without ever experiencing California myself I would rather live in California than West Virginia, thats an easy one.

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:23 AM

We used to have GOOD Democrats in California. Where have they all gone????

DfDeportation on February 24, 2008 at 1:24 AM

Not to point out the blisteringly obvious …

… but how exactly are you different than Left-wing pundits who have opinions about Iowa or Tennessee without ever setting foot there?

Professor Blather on February 24, 2008 at 1:21 AM

That is exactly why I put that at the top.

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:24 AM

I’ve lived in VA,PA,IL,IN,WI,FL and visited about every state. Moved to the SF Bay Area in 2000, and in a nutshell, I have found that there is one huge difference here.
Turn signals.almost no one here uses them.
My take is that most of the people here are so self-centered that the use of turn-signals does not even really occur to them as something to be bothered with.

bbz123 on February 24, 2008 at 1:25 AM

See-Dubya, you said it all in one word – tolerance. They tolerate this, they tolerate that – they have no standards.

OldEnglish on February 24, 2008 at 1:26 AM

What’s The Matter With California?

Are you kidding me? Where do you start?

ochiltree on February 24, 2008 at 1:26 AM

The worst: SoCal

The best: NorCal

fourstringfuror on February 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM

What is the centerline?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:03 AM

Northern California is from Red Bluff to the Oregon border. The rest is Socal. And we hate them…

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gangs24feb24,0,5863714.story

The LA Times has this story today about the rise in gang violence in the Central Valley.

Mark1971 on February 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM

I’m a native Californian and am raising four children here. It’s ok for us because we live in a conservative area and our children have been either home schooled or have attended private school. We have thought of leaving but one thing keeps us here, the weather.

Rose on February 24, 2008 at 1:30 AM

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:23 AM

Heh. Me too Chakra. The point I badly made was that the middle of the state of California is more rural and laid back once you get 50 miles from the coast (like WVA in a sense) You know, good old boys, not much to do, hard work, hard living. Not much patience for hippies and do gooders.

My kind of folk!

BacaDog on February 24, 2008 at 1:31 AM

What’s The Matter With California?

Are you kidding me? Where do you start?

ochiltree on February 24, 2008 at 1:26 AM

And it’s also like family, if you don’t live here, you don’t get to bitch about it.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:31 AM

The worst thing about Californians was that they did not fight their 9th District Court to the U.S. Surpreme Court when it overturned the will of the majority of the voting people of the state and blocked and then dismissed Prop 187- a law that would have stopped the infiltration and eventual destruction of the state by illegal aliens- by turning off the government goodies spigot.

By failing to rally their survival instincts against this judicial tyranny, they meekly acquiesced to their own slow doom.

In 1994, they had their chance.

Now, it’s just “watch the great state of California sink under the government-funded Reconquista“.

A pity, because, until then, it was as close to the perfect combination of climates, landscapes and innovations as can be found on Earth.

But you have to defend such rare gems, or they will be a lure to lazy leeches.

California, fading…

profitsbeard on February 24, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Northern California is from Red Bluff to the Oregon border. The rest is Socal. And we hate them…

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM

You Hate Fort Bragg?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:33 AM

California turned liberal when we were invaded by East Coasters (NY, NJ, etc.), before that we were purple as HTL on February 24, 2008 at 1:08 AM said above.

xplodeit on February 24, 2008 at 1:36 AM

Bingo, first man out grabs the brass ring! But with a caveat, too many mexicans too! There are some LA area cities with illegal alien populations in the 80’s and 90’s percentage wise. Most of them don’t pay taxes and they take their kids to the emergency room for a sniffle. They abuse welfare and school systems to the point that they have to shut their doors to our own citizens. They live a dozen to a house and undercut the wages all over the city. They commit numerous crimes, besides the excessive gang violence, such as ID theft, fraud, driving with no license or insurance and taking off if they hit something. They go to war with anyone else in the neighborhood who is not latino. They refuse to speak english even if they know it. They cost us literally in the billions of dollars every year and still, stupid ass CALIFORNIANS just act like, “oh well, other peoples taxes will pay for it, it’s no skin off my ass.” They really really are the dumbest people on earth. I have been living in CA since 1990 and still don’t consider myself a Californian because I just can be that stupid. The state has a 16 billion deficit and they are still, repeat STILL trying to create more govt programs to pay for free crap including illegal aliens. Now, Vallejo may very well be the first CA city to go completely bankrupt. The problem with CA is the problem with liberals, they are incapable of learning.

Bikerken on February 24, 2008 at 1:37 AM

I guess Fort Bragg is a bad example.. rats seem to control it.

:(

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:38 AM

Northern California is from Red Bluff to the Oregon border. The rest is Socal. And we hate them…

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:29 AM

You Hate Fort Bragg?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:33 AM

No, I need to add that there are a lot of great people and places in CA. It’s just to big of a state to reflect the opinions of all the people. The conservative view of real majority gets drowned out by L.A. and the Frisco Bay area moonbats. I love the northern coast. Above Frisco.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:42 AM

I’m in So.Ca. and we hate the northeners. They are weird up there.

calgrammy on February 24, 2008 at 1:45 AM

p

rofitsbeard on February 24, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Do you live in California?

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:45 AM

No, I need to add that there are a lot of great people and places in CA. It’s just to big of a state to reflect the opinions of all the people. The conservative view of real majority gets drowned out by L.A. and the Frisco Bay area moonbats. I love the northern coast. Above Frisco.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:42 AM

I think I get it, if you throw out the hippies with San Francisco and Berkeley then the centerline could come down farther.. ?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:46 AM

What’s The Matter With California?

Hollywood.

labrat on February 24, 2008 at 1:46 AM

Northern CA is a reputable place – in Redding, for example, people are actually friendly and hardly condescending as they are further south. Too bad their votes don’t count for much.

Presumably Norcal will remain about the same as most Californians are bypassing it to move to Washington and Oregon and away from the horrendous tax rates. I live in WA and my brother lives in OR – we agree that the Border Fence should be built on the border with CA.

Californians have already ruined their state – don’t need them messing up the NW. We have enough liberals here to deal with already.

fiatboomer on February 24, 2008 at 1:47 AM

I have seen this claim made lots of times..

Northern CA vs. Southern CA..

If someone could provide a map, or chart that would be cool…

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:49 AM

Don’t let Californians migrate to where you live and Californicate your state.

Highwayman on February 24, 2008 at 1:15 AM

Too late.

labrat on February 24, 2008 at 1:50 AM

No, I need to add that there are a lot of great people and places in CA. It’s just to big of a state to reflect the opinions of all the people. The conservative view of real majority gets drowned out by L.A. and the Frisco Bay area moonbats. I love the northern coast. Above Frisco.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:42 AM

I think I get it, if you throw out the hippies with San Francisco and Berkeley then the centerline could come down farther.. ?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:46 AM

That would be a real good start!

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:50 AM

Maybe its a football rivalry Raiders vs. 49ers vs. Chargers.

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:51 AM

They got one thing right. Three Strikes The problem: They won’t build enough prisons to hold em, so judges release them early due to overcrowding. Rationale: Cruel and unusual punishment My take: Let the judges homes act as half way houses as they assimilate back into society.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 1:52 AM

If you want to see what the California experiment would look like conducted on a national scale, purge all the “RINO’s” and let your 150 Representatives and 25 senators look on in impotent fury as a Democratic President and legislative super-majority do whatever the heck they like without any danger of ever being called to electoral account.

Presumably you weren’t paying attention in November 1994. Why don’t you ask Tom Foley how that election worked out for him?

fiatboomer on February 24, 2008 at 1:53 AM

The State of Jefferson.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 1:55 AM

Spent 77 – 79 in the San Diego area, loved it! Only been back work related, mostly San Jose..ish. Always enjoy the visits, glad I don’t live there. Born and breed in New England, just a damn yankee at heart.

dmann on February 24, 2008 at 1:56 AM

Here in the South, we refer to California as the land of fruits and nuts.

someguy on February 24, 2008 at 1:57 AM

You Hate Fort Bragg?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:33 AM

Can you please explain how Ft. Bragg, NC, relates to CA? Ft. Bragg has its problems, but the people here are some of the finest the country has to offer. I say this because they have the personal courage to put on the uniform of their country.

Claimsratt on February 24, 2008 at 1:57 AM

The people in northern Calif are angry with southern Calif because we are taking their water and it is destroying Mono Lake. At least this is one of the reasons I have heard. I have seen the lake and it is sad what has happened to it.

Rose on February 24, 2008 at 1:58 AM

Northern CA is a reputable place – in Redding, for example, people are actually friendly and hardly condescending as they are further south. Too bad their votes don’t count for much.

That’s my point. And near to being my home town.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 2:01 AM

I’ll give you a good example of what’s wrong with California. A mother of two daughters is out jogging and gets killed by a mountain lion. The police go out and kill the mountain lion which had an orpan cub. The community sets up a charity fund for the two daughters at the same time, tree hugging pu**ies set up a fund for the cub. The daughters fund netted 9000 dollars, the cub got 21000. There are some people who are trying to discount this story, but it is true. Californian liberals care so little about human life that they would donate more money to a forrest animal than the unfortunate daughters of a dead mother. God I hate them.

Bikerken on February 24, 2008 at 2:01 AM

Claimsratt on February 24, 2008 at 1:57 AM

They are talking about Ft. Bragg, Ca.

xplodeit on February 24, 2008 at 2:02 AM

You Hate Fort Bragg?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 1:33 AM

Huh? I live a few miles from Ft. Bragg? You are talking about Ft. Bragg, NC. Yes? Don’t make me come down there.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:02 AM

Talk soup is the best show on TV.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:04 AM

Talk soup is the best show on TV.

Deft move.

jaime on February 24, 2008 at 2:06 AM

Deft move.

Come again?

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:07 AM

Can you please explain how Ft. Bragg, NC, relates to CA? Ft. Bragg has its problems, but the people here are some of the finest the country has to offer. I say this because they have the personal courage to put on the uniform of their country.

Claimsratt on February 24, 2008 at 1:57 AM

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/us_2001/california_ref_2001.jpg

Look along the left coast.. Fort Bragg

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 2:10 AM

As a native Californian who was eventually forced to leave the state because of the havoc wrought by immigrants (and here I am specifically referring to people from New York and New Jersey), I feel I can definitively answer this question.

California was a fairly “purple” state, electing a fair number of Republican governors and senators, and with a more or less balanced state legislature, until the Republicans there decided to (1) become ideologically pure and (2) go anti-immigrant.

The result was an electoral debacle that may never be undone. Reduced to impotent minority status, the Republicans have basically turned the state over to the Democrats. This is an object lesson in what happens when you let the “perfect” be the enemy of the “good enough”.

HTL, you don’t make any sense at all. Are you seriously trying to blame conservatives for the mess that is California because they got disgusted and left?????? What???? in the he** are you thinking. Liberals and illegals are what is the problem in California. I don’t remember New Jerseyians running up the mexican flag at the post office in Maywood. Man that is so typical of liberal, make a godawful mess of things, and then blame someone else for not stopping you!

Bikerken on February 24, 2008 at 2:10 AM

They are talking about Ft. Bragg, Ca.

xplodeit on February 24, 2008 at 2:02 AM

You are talking about Ft. Bragg, NC. Yes? Don’t make me come down there.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:02 AM

Talk soup is the best show on TV.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:04 AM

jaime on February 24, 2008 at 2:11 AM

Ft. Bragg, NC has nothing in common with Cali. We love our country, we WORK hard, and don’t depend on our goverment to provide what we can provide ourselves. Sorry for the confusion.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:13 AM

I am an LA born, SoCal native.

Here is the problem: Clinton. Well and G HW Bush too.

Prior to that disaster, California was fairly purple because it had many aerospace and defense industries that employed hundreds of thousands of people directly, and more indirectly. They were Republicans or very moderate Democrats. Family people, mostly engineers and machinists and the like.

California is not making any more land, and only the coastal regions are really desirable (ever been to Hemet? Banning? Lancaster?) It took good paying Defense jobs for conservative white voters to live there. Which were destroyed by the “Peace Dividend” which G HW Bush then Clinton (who enlarged defense cuts) made happen. Result? All those defense companies merged, to a fraction of their size, and people lost their jobs. Moved to NV, UT, ID, TX, etc.

Prop. 187 was VERY popular. It still is. Prop 209 passed by wide margins as well. THAT did not destroy the Republican Party. The huge churn in white voters did. [Hispanics for their size don't tend to vote that much.]

Instead of conservative engineers, you had Silicon Valley start-up “hip/edgy” web developers (well, now it’s all done in India) and entertainment folks. Who will put up with horrid housing prices/inventory. Think Manhattan times a state. Of course families are priced out of California.

The same thing happened in NY btw. It used to be conservative, with manufacturing in Buffalo and NYC that employed middle and working class whites. Destroy the economic base of a party and it loses. If you look at an electoral map of California, you’ll see the inland, residential areas all “red” such as Temecula, etc. Where families locate to find safe/cheap housing and endure horrific commutes. Simi Valley is the same.

whiskey_199 on February 24, 2008 at 2:13 AM

Yellow tail Shiraz, litre bottle, sorry.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:14 AM

Too many sunny days make you stupid. That doesn’t explain New York, though.

WasatchMan on February 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM

Chakra, Fr Bragg California is a nice little seacoast town about a hundred miles north of the bay area. I went there last summer while at the Redwood Run in Piercy. It’s a great little town. Most of the places north of the bay area are pretty nice. The bay area is not bad scenically, but the people are stone cold nuts. Have you ever seen a film on IFC called “The Bridge”? It’s about one years worth of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge. They talked to friends and family of the people who killed themselves. After watching the film, I remember thinking, if these people were my friends, I would have killed myself too.

Bikerken on February 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM

It’s time to settle this. Who’s the bigger IQ-killer on the HA comment boards? Chakra or DUH CHOSEN ONE?

Vote now!

fiatboomer on February 24, 2008 at 2:17 AM

I’m second generation Californian on both sides and I have lives all over the state for my 59 years. I’ve lived in Laguna Beach now for 15 years and like the total lack of gang activity.
California is too big and too diverse to be spoken of in generalizations. The north south divide doesn’t begin to reflect reality well. There is a signicant difference between big city and small town. I went to high school in Coalinga which then had 6000 citizens and was more like small towns in the rest of the US than like SoCal. There are endless little places with 20 or 30 families out in the sticks that can be more like parts of west Texas. And there are slummy innercity areas in LA, Long Beach, Bakersfield, Fresno, the Bay area and elsewhere that I know little more about than to keep my distance. There are too many Californias for any accurate discussion with dueling paragraphs to capture it.

snaggletoothie on February 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM

Sorry for the confusion.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:13 AM

No, I thought it was well done. You noticed the mistake and made a good-natured, goofy comment to show you weren’t paying attention. Did I misunderstand?

jaime on February 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM

A lot of people that have no clue about California, continue to have a lot of opinions. Opinions are like a$$holes. And people that have never lived in California, well, you get the idea….

R D on February 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM

Is there an actual military base in Ft. Bragg, California?
Anyone, Bueller, Frye?

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:19 AM

I’ll add that you can see what happened in California by looking at Torrance. Before Clinton, it was the home to people who worked at Hughes or Lockheed or any of a dozen aerospace firms around the LAX or Long Beach area. Lockheed had a huge manufacturing plant in Long Beach that made commercial jetliners and aerospace stuff. It was mostly white, conservative, Republican, and middle class.

NOW, it is mostly Asian entrepreneurs and Latino (Mexican) working class. Entrepreneurs own stores etc. often with family capital from Korea or Taiwan. They are all Dems of course. Others are into real estate development. The Mexican working class operate blue collar jobs — plumbers, electricians, etc.

whiskey_199 on February 24, 2008 at 2:21 AM

Ft. Bragg, NC has nothing in common with Cali. We love our country, we WORK hard, and don’t depend on our goverment to provide what we can provide ourselves. Sorry for the confusion.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:13 AM

You got one part right. You are Sorry.

R D on February 24, 2008 at 2:22 AM

jaime on February 24, 2008 at 2:18 AM

Your hip lingo confused me. Are you down with Talk Soup or what?

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:23 AM

No, theres nothing up there but a nice little town and breathtaking beach. I have ridden my harley all up the coast from San Diego through Ventura, Santa Barbara, Morro Bay, Big Sur, Santa Cruz, the bridge and up to Ft Bragg and into the interior of the state where the redwoods are at. The coast is awesomely beautiful. There are points in Big Sur where you look to your left, (going north) and it looks like you’re in an airplane because you’re over a thousand feet above the water and it’s a sheer cliff dive all the way to the water! It’s incredible, but you have to pay real close attention to your driving because there are as many guard rails as you might think. No military bases though.

Bikerken on February 24, 2008 at 2:25 AM

I am a native Californian and I can say our biggest problem is illegals. They have stunted the growth of our economy and ruined the school and healthcare systems. To help them along we have the jackass wonder twins Boxer/Finestien, who seem to want us to fail, throw in Pelosi and OMFG! The solution is republicans need to run here. Calif is automaticly a pass for republicans and it shouldn’t be. A couple years back a guy named Matt Fong (R) ran against Boxer (d). Fong did not campaign, made almost no appearences and didn’t get on TV at all. The result Boxer 48% / Fong 36%. An 8% swing would have made a huge difference. That is not so much that republicans should write off this state. When consevatives mobilize we can really change things ex. Gray Davis recalled. I love Cali and I don’t want to leave. I will fight for a while even if I have to bury my guns, but if I have to leave and rejoin America in the middle states I will, but I think the red part of this state can still grow.

HotAirExpert on February 24, 2008 at 2:26 AM

R D on February 24, 2008 at 2:22 AM

I feel your pain. Only a select few can call themselves Tarheels.

Jealousy can destroy if left unchecked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_Heel

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:26 AM

flatboomer
Please do us all a favor and stick with principles and skip the personal attacks. Thanks

snaggletoothie on February 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM

Are you down with Talk Soup or what?

Nah. Haven’t watched it for years. It was always funny, though.

jaime on February 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM

Chakra, sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not know that Gen. Braxton Bragg’s influence made its way to CA.

Claimsratt on February 24, 2008 at 2:28 AM

Maybe we should give Cali to Mexico as a peace offering.

Me bad, posession in 9/10 of the law.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:29 AM

I think Whiskey_199 makes good points. I’ve lived in CA since 1959. Mostly conservative defense industry jobs are long gone. Mostly conservative small family farmers are gone. The state has been co-opted by so-called progressives and their industries: high-tech, support services and big agri-farm servants who are pro-Socialist. The questions to ask are: who has immigrated to CA over the past 20 years? where are they from? and how they are bringing the pro-Socialist ideologies with them from their home countries?

Kalifornia Kafir on February 24, 2008 at 2:30 AM

Fort Bragg, California. Don’t be so thick, Hotties…

My home state is still fiarly purple, and I think more magenta that some think. Gerrymandering has done some irrevocable damage to the state and is the key problem with the state. Everything else could be fixed once that single hurdle is overcome.

This place is my home, and I’m staying to fight.

liquidflorian on February 24, 2008 at 2:31 AM

Ahhhhhh, California. The only state that forbids you from clearing brush from your property to prevent forest/grass fires to protect your house and your neighborhood because some a species of rat decided to live there instead of the wilderness.

The only state that fines you for protecting your personal property.

HotAirExpert
what ever happened to jerry doyle or who ever it was who ran for congress and now has a successful talk show in las vegas?

If californians realize who is realy screwing up their country, why are they constantly re-elected? I feel your pain, Ohio is swinging more an more liberal yet it is liberal laws that is making most of our jobs go overseas.

El Guapo on February 24, 2008 at 2:33 AM

Scwarzenegger- Governor

Soupy Sales- Attorney General

Rosie O’Donnel-Director Health and Human Services

Gary Coleman- Lt. Governor

Sean Penn- Secretary of Agriculture

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:37 AM

This place is my home, and I’m staying to fight.

liquidflorian

Now that define’s Patriotism! ooorah!

THE CHOSEN ONE
Darn right FT Bragg has nothing to do with Cali.!! I met numerous wounded vets there doing whatever it takes to get back to the fight. Here i am with a sprained knee and the guy next to me in phys therapy has stitches and shrapnel scars, and another guy has a prosthetic working on getting medically cleared to return to active duty (cleared: fit for full duty). Most Californians have no idea what committment and true passion is.

El Guapo on February 24, 2008 at 2:40 AM

liquidflorian on February 24, 2008 at 2:31 AM

Do you see a “centerline” divide?

Or more like a scattered effect?
(more difficult to explain away than simply North/South divide)

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 2:43 AM

I lived in California for a couple of years back in the late 80’s. I was stationed at the former George AFB near Victorville.

I remember watching the smog as the early morning sun warmed it which caused it to rise and spill over a mountain pass in slow motion. Eerie to watch.

Whenever I would drive down to say, L.A., my throat would start burning and the sky would change color from blue to white the closer you got to the city. The air pollution was shocking to me but most people didn’t seem to notice it much.

I made several trips down to various left coast locales and I can only say that a lot of the countryside was beautiful but the people are frikkin nuts. Most of them know that they are insane on some level but they like being that way. What’s worse is that they want everyone to be like they are. They desperately evangelize their “progressive” lifestyle.
I saw so many military people get caught up in the California lifestyle. So many failed marriages. So many careers ruined.

I’m sure there are a lot of perfectly normal decent people living there but they are waaay outnumbered by the illegals and the wackos.

Guardian on February 24, 2008 at 2:46 AM

This place is my home, and I’m staying to fight.

liquidflorian on February 24, 2008 at 2:31 AM

I hope your friends with the sheriff, since it’s a may issue state.

Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 2:48 AM

El Guapo on February 24, 2008 at 2:40 AM

Send just a handful of Tarheels to Berkley and they’ll give up drugs. Seriously.

THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 2:51 AM

liquidflorian on February 24, 2008 at 2:31 AM

Prior to this morning, I only knew of one Ft. Bragg and that is in NC. A place that should never be confused with the left coast.

Claimsratt on February 24, 2008 at 2:53 AM

It’s time to settle this. Who’s the bigger IQ-killer on the HA comment boards? Chakra or DUH CHOSEN ONE?

Vote now!

fiatboomer on February 24, 2008 at 2:17 AM

feel the love! >:}
http://i27.tinypic.com/10eq71g.jpg

Ok, I didn’t vote… I’m still undecided.. >:}
CHOSEN ONE did you vote against me?

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 2:58 AM

Whenever I would drive down to say, L.A., my throat would start burning – Guardian

I get that feeling diring thru san bernadino (spelling).

For being the most liberal state, and the most strict on gas and other environmental laws, i was shocked to see just how ugy and littered and polluted it was compared to Nevada (and hte rest of the US). very sad.

Send just a handful of Tarheels to Berkley and they’ll give up drugs. Seriously.

THE CHOSEN ONE

Or you could just start enforcing the laws there and arrest ALL drug users. I’d rather have them give the Marine recruiters an excuse to use self defense.

El Guapo on February 24, 2008 at 3:03 AM

Prior to this morning, I only knew of one Ft. Bragg and that is in NC. A place that should never be confused with the left coast.

Claimsratt on February 24, 2008 at 2:53 AM

Now we know And knowing is half the battle. >:}

Chakra Hammer on February 24, 2008 at 3:04 AM

Claimsratt

Well said! NC may be messed up and full of bad drivers due to the mixing bowl of cultures, but it is not California!

It’s much cleaner and nicer! And reasonably priced!

El Guapo on February 24, 2008 at 3:05 AM

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