Planned Parenthood of Kansas Must Turn Over Records
posted at 3:56 pm on February 23, 2008 by see-dubya
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A Planned Parenthood clinic in Overland Park, Kansas, is under suspicion of violating several Kansas laws. 107 charges were filed by a Kansas DA (formerly Kansas’ Attorney General) Phill Kline, who sounds like a really cool guy. The Overland Park clinic and Phill Kline go way back–they’ve been tangling since at least 2005, when Kline was Attorney General of Kansas.
Today it looks Kline is about to get another bite at them:
A grand jury issued a subpoena to the Comprehensive Health in Overland Park clinic last month demanding the records of 16 patients. The clinic has been battling Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline, an anti-abortion crusader, over whether the subpoena should be enforced.
After a hearing over the dispute Friday in Johnson County District Court, an attorney for the clinic, Pedro Irigonegaray, said it would turn over records for 16 patients that pertain to two restrictions on abortions under Kansas law. He said it would resolve the dispute.
One restriction mandates that the clinic notify a parent or guardian when a minor seeks an abortion. Another imposes a 24-hour waiting period before an abortion and requires the clinic to provide information to a patient about the procedure and other medical issues.
I’m glad someone is looking into Kansas’ abortion industry. It seems especially slipshod. On the other hand, maybe it’s quite typical–and we just know more about the situation in Kansas because of the efforts of people like Phill Kline.
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Respect and admire their skill and talent would be a much better description.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Back to disliking you and your poor debate skills.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Whoosh, for a moment I was afraid you were going to offer me a beer… :P It’s not them I don’t care for, its their genre of music. They are very very good at what they do. Good enough for me to enjoy it when someone else plays it, but not quite good enough for me to purchase it or download it myself. Like I said, its not them per say, its the genre.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM
dorian…
That’s the rub isn’t it. Me, I believe that the nano-second that the little fella completes his mission, the deal is sealed. I’ve yet to find anyone who can tell me that the product of that completed mission will be a giraffe, elephant, leopard, or snapping turtle. I think the end product only comes out one way.
Then my ‘keep the Fed’s outta my face’ self kicks in. I lean toward it being a States issue the same way I believe that the death penalty should be a states issue. There are plenty of people who don’t think that way. This issue isn’t going to have a beginning-of-the-end until someone figures out where that beginning is.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:00 PM
Great point.
I am very much a Federalist. I would like to see the majority of social issues left in the hands of the states. It would lead to some states having policies I disagree with, but I believe it would be best for our country. Besides, as it stands now, we will never make any gains in slowing the rate of abortions on the federal level.
joewm315 on February 23, 2008 at 9:02 PM
O’Reilly, for all his faults, did a great job of covering the Kansas abortion industry, and “Tiller the Killer”. Read all about it here.
Here’s a little Karma - A flashback to where the same Planned Parenthood group under discussion in this thread tried to sue O’Reilly and Kline.
Buy Danish on February 23, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Just think how civil the political debate would be
if Liberals aborted their side only!Kidding of course!
canopfor on February 23, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Except when a few days after conception the person becomes two or more people. It is hard to think of a zygote as an individual being if it is still capable of becoming multiple beings.
I probably agree with your Federalist point of view though.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 9:10 PM
Without a doubt the biggest Pandora’s box on the table. I approach it as a ‘Me or We’ issue. I can’t go for the ‘me’ argument. Then someone throws the ‘what if it was your wife’s life or the babies life’ argument at me. That’s when I have to open another beer and hash it all over again.
Like I said…..biggest Pandora’s box on the table.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Buy Danish,I checked out the flashback,the CBS article.
Loved this line though:
“Mr.O’Reilly demonstrated callous disregard for Women all
over this country and his statements about the Records were
simply false”
I almost get the feeling,that their not talking about O’Reilly.But sounds more like Bill Clinton!
canopfor on February 23, 2008 at 9:17 PM
I think the clinic’s operators might have obeyed promptly, if anyone had shown them their own instruments.
Kralizec on February 23, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Like I said, its not them per say, its the genre.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 8:59 PM
How can a metalhead from LA not like the baddest psychodelic hard rock band in the history of LA(Jane’s Addiction close runner up)? You are a hard one to figure out. Time for a drink.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 9:22 PM
LOL…I’m toast. I’ll pack my bags and head for the Musical Archipelago. I do not own a CD, Cassette, MP3 or for you wise guys a 8 or 4 track. None…nada….zip. It’s all just noiZe. There might be an LP or 45 in the attic, but I haven’t been up there since I wore out my last paisley shirt.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:30 PM
So,if it is more than one human life you can Nuke them? Yo Lib fascists sex is about creating human life. Not your navel gazing pleasures.
mred on February 23, 2008 at 9:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVbFrl9wLBA
For anyone who appreciates great percussion.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM
What’s wrong with gazing at navels?
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 9:43 PM
No, you can make laws to protect something of value. Is it a being or is it a potential being is the question that twinning raises.
Telling people that sex is only for reproduction reduces them to animals. Communicating love raises us above the level of beasts.
Navel-gazing seems to be more a masturbatory metaphor, but hey whatever two people do behind closed doors is their business. If they stare at each others’ belly buttons while doing it, then have fun.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 9:46 PM
mred on February 23, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Here is someone who would disagree…
content warning….mechanical diviant….
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4443574851519655250
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM
This thread should live in infamy in the HotAir archives.
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 9:57 PM
I think when love juice hits the egg,presto life begins.
Kinda like after the very last seconds of gravitional
collapse of dust and gas and then Ka-bloowy a new star
is formed,or born in a galaxy!
canopfor on February 23, 2008 at 9:58 PM
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Ya think?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1024250118252004223
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:58 PM
aengus on February 23, 2008 at 10:06 PM
That was really horrible. Why did you link to that?
aengus on February 23, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Humans are animals. They have sex to reproduce. You Lib Fascist think it is something Gov’t should be concerned. Good thing there is a Messiah for you LFers.
mred on February 23, 2008 at 10:10 PM
What you don’t understand biology?
mred on February 23, 2008 at 10:12 PM
If you are arguing that they are merely animals, few would agree with you. Also, feel free to let me know which of my views add up to Fascism.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Are you in Dublin? Must be early over there.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 10:14 PM
I think the best part was the blond saying “I’m invisible, I don’t know what to think’. :)
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 10:15 PM
It’s not about what 2 people do behind closed doors when there is another person (in utero) involved. Everyone knows that there are 143 methods of birth control on the market. Why is it too much to ask people to use just one or two? It’s not 1973 anymore. And it is an industry - believe me. No one ever talked me out of having an abortion when I had one. I merely scheduled the appt., paid my co-pay ( $10 at the time) and killed my child. No counseling, no concern, just get me in and get me out. I’ve never regretted anything so much in my entire life. All of my friends were “supportive”. To this day when I see a new OB I have to tell her that I have been pregnant and what I did, and I always tell her/him that “It’s the biggest mistake I ever made.” They always reply the same way, ” I hear that a lot.” THAT’S what kids should know. That’s what they should learn before they have sex. My life would be different alright. I would have less regret, and I would have a child that I know I would love and be able to take care of and support. At the time I couldn’t see that. But my life is so different, now. I am successful and have a husband who would love to have cared for that child. Killing that child sure didn’t make my life easier.
foxforce91 on February 23, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Should the gov’t make this determination. If so: you are a fascist.
mred on February 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I agree with many of your points. Medicine as a business, the consequences of sex, the inability to undo the past are all problems that you describe poignantly.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Sorry if I offended you, and got too snarky. My point in the vid (2nd one) was obtuse to the extreme……
Which one of the two actors portraying the ‘victim’ should have been aborted. Which one would have been ‘unviable’?Which one wouldn’t pass a ‘test’ and end up discarded? Which one was a zygote?
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 10:27 PM
Murder is against the law. Do you think that the government being able to make laws against murder is fascist?
foxforce91 on February 23, 2008 at 10:29 PM
What you don’t understand biology?
Mred on February 23,2008 at 10:12PM.
Mred: He,he I got three kids,two are still at home.
I thought my comment might be helpful for some
abortion happy trolls to see the same type of
analogy,either the star lights up like a wh!re
house or it don’t!Sperm meets egg=LIFE!
Oh ya,I’m not a Biologist,but I did stay at a
Holiday Inn.haha
canopfor on February 23, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Yes of course if you are an Anarchist.
mred on February 23, 2008 at 10:33 PM
It made me believe in God. God gave me a miracle. I am unable to have children, (not because of the abortion,) yet I - through what I felt was a “mistake” at the time - I got pregnant. If I had just done what I felt was right in my heart, ( had the child) I would have the child that I know I could love and want and care for. But at the time I could only think of the inconvenience. That child was a miracle, and I threw it away because of “inconvenience” and a lack of trust and faith in God. You may not believe in God, but at the very least one should consider that a child is a miracle and inconvenient or not, it could be the best thing that ever happens in your life because you never know how your life wil turn out.
foxforce91 on February 23, 2008 at 10:39 PM
That’s Holiday Inn Express..dude! This is the very issue that separates the “c” conservatives from the traditional conservatives. We need to create a conservative aptitude ranking/score, this would make debates-discussions a lot easier.
dmann on February 23, 2008 at 10:45 PM
LOL…written test at 11. I sure hope it’s multiple choice.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 10:46 PM
What’s a “c” conservative?
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 10:48 PM
It better be, enough essays on this topic!!!
dmann on February 23, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Every government makes decisions about who is and isn’t a citizen, and thereby deserves full protection under its laws. That isn’t a conspicuous charactaristic of Fascism.
Before 1967 abortion was illegal in all 50 states, was the United States Fascistic at that time? In 1973 it became legal in all 50. Did the United States become Fascistic at that point? My position is that the U.S. wasn’t and isn’t because of this one issue.
At some point during the nine months something that started as a fertilized egg becomes a person, an individual citizen deserving of rights. Since that point is certain to be debated by clergy, scientists and philosophers I’d rely on a Federalist approach rather than the courts.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 10:50 PM
I am. I can’t sleep. I got time off work (I was supposed to go on holiday but my girlfriend is in hospital), so instead I can catch up on my sleep over the next few days without worry.
You’re fine Limerick. It just caught me by surprise and gave a bit of a shock. No harm done.
aengus on February 23, 2008 at 10:59 PM
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Usually someone who balks at some of the social issues (i.e. unfettered abortion, some components of gay rights legislation) that the traditional definition of conservative associates only a strict Christian perspective. The “c” folks agree with traditional conservatives on foreign policy, immigration, 2nd amendment, states rights, taxes etc. That’s how I see the difference.
dmann on February 23, 2008 at 10:59 PM
love pussy, bro.
This is disgusting. You’re not a gentleman. It’s impossible to take you seriously.
aengus on February 23, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Take it easy. Some caveman called me gay like fifty times(not that there is anything wrong with that) for defending sex education. Gee wally.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM
I have two young children. They are miracles and they are challenging. My wife and I give them a lot of love and a lot of time, but can only hope that they and the world around them will turn out well. Your story resonates with me.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM
This thread should live in infamy in the HotAir archives.
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Yes. More humor would do us all some good. Some folks
here post like they’re on the witness stand.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Let’s see…..Saturday Night Live with Mike Huckashuck
or
Poker After Dark recap?
Looks like it’s poker.
Nite all.
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Hope your girlfriend feels better. You live in a wonderful city. Though its been many years since I was there, I hope to be back along the Liffey soon.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Then call me a “c” conservative, minus the unfettered abortion stuff. I think abortion is disgusting, but even more disgusting is how womyn’s groups have taken the sperm donor/father out of the equation.
SouthernGent on February 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM
This has to be the vilest most contemptible post I’ve seen on this website. Do you all get a kick out of harassing women? I oppose the moslems for exactly this type of garbage.
thuja on February 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Limerick on February 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM
I forgot how hard I laughed the first time I watched this!!!
thanks mann!
dmann on February 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Agreed. I guess I never thought abortion opposition would become a third rail among conservatives.
labrat on February 23, 2008 at 11:10 PM
That may be true. After 1973 the SCOTUS,ruled that with a penumbra that killing babies is ok in all 50 states. My sense is, that a court of unelected jurists can rule on a matter, disregarding the constitution on the United States , you know the part where the constitution of the United States says that where the constitution of the United States is blank on the matter it is left to THE STATES TO DECIDE.
So you use the feds, big gov’t, to get your wish. Yea you are a fascist.
mred on February 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM
thuja on February 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM
This site, like all good ones is as Forest said, “a box of chocolates” some ya like, some make ya puke. To lump everyone into a $hitball is simply ignorant.
dmann on February 23, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Yes! I hate the wimmens!
Seriously, what are you talking about? Who’s harrassing women?
fourstringfuror on February 23, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Yeah, Danny Carey is a real talent and has a great approach to his craft. The guys he mentions listening too growing up were really something else too. Lenny White is going to be playing with Return to Forever again this summer with Chick, DiMeola and Stanley. The original line up was unreal.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Although the language is a bit…. well a BIT, I think it would make a great poster, or billboard, or visual. The sentiment connects. At least with me. hmmmmm, let the photoshopping BEGIN!
CrimsonFisted on February 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I wasn’t sure what you thought a Fascist was, now I’m not sure what you think a Federalist is.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Do Federalists use unelected courts to enforce their views?
mred on February 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Thats Holiday Inn Express dude…
We need to create a conservative apitude ranking/score,
this would debate-discussions a lot easier.
Dmann on February 23,2008 at 10:45PM.
Dmann: Dammit,I thought it was the Inn,now you tell me its
the Express,I’ve fired the fact-checker!
Now,I like this idea,this ranking/score discussion.
I think we need the more intricate brainey discussions
always at the top,and the less brainey,more ideas to fuel
the discussion on the bottom,LOL!
canopfor on February 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM
It’s more of a states rights thing.
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM
The fact that you’ve been unfairly accused of being a homosexual does not excuse your lewd comments.
aengus on February 23, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Thank you for your nice reply.
aengus on February 23, 2008 at 11:41 PM
I am not so much against the provisions of Roe v Wade as I’m against the expansion of the provisions in Roe v Wade. And my biggest issue with Roe v Wade, besides the obvious, is not one of my elected officials has had to put a vote on it.
Sue on February 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM
So it is ok for 50 states to ban abortion?
Penis face.
mred on February 23, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Ummm, possible because I’m not a metalhead from LA… I live in San Diego Ca, not LA, although I wasn’t born here, I was born in Yakima Washington. I love the hard rock early metal of the mid 70’s to early 90’s. But don’t care for speed death thrash metal.
I’m a classically train pianist with a degree in music theory. Although I haven’t played piano in at least 15 years. What I like is pop hard rock, Jazz Rock fusion and Classical rock fusion and some metal. So obviously my taste trend towards Joe Satriani, Yngiwe Malmsteen, Guns and Roses Metallica, Van Halen, Al Di Meola, Return to Forever, George Benson, Aerosmith, Blue Oyster Cult, Led Zeppelin and Ted Nuggent, and of course Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Wagner, Tchaikovsky and Rockmaninov. Well there is a lot more but I think you get the point.
I greatly appreciate the talent and skill of people like Tool and Dream Theater, but just don’t get excited by their songs.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 11:52 PM
You obviously should not be posting here at Hot
Air, you might want to check into dKos. It seems to be more your style.
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 11:56 PM
dKOS, Hot Air armchair jerks with a cause and who can’t argue.
mred on February 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM
You’d have to ask the voters and representatives in each of the 50 states–in New York State, they wouldn’t. That is the alternative to having 9 Justices or the big federal government decide. At some point between conception and when the child turns 18 one of the branches of the government needs to step in.
dedalus on February 24, 2008 at 12:02 AM
You have my sympathies. ;)
fourstringfuror on February 24, 2008 at 12:05 AM
Yes. It is much better to throw stink bombs than to argue your own point then claim others can’t argue.
Sue on February 24, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I think it’s time for your nap.
fourstringfuror on February 24, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Dude, it this is the level of your discourse, than please go somewhere else. HotAir is a civil community, not a ghetto gutter.
doriangrey on February 24, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Former Attorney General Kline:
“Democracy without virtue is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner”
I like that. Thanks for the link See-Dubya.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:20 AM
I wonder what “hope” Obama will offer the unborn children scheduled for abortion?
Mojave Mark on February 24, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Murdered at 14 years gov’t not ok. Murdered at 0:01 seconds gov’t ok. You all are logic central.
mred on February 24, 2008 at 12:29 AM
So argue the point feces head. Or are you a PROGRESSIVE who can’t?
mred on February 24, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Mojave Mark on February 24, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Great line double M! I like that too!
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Hey see-dubya, how about some moderation here.
doriangrey on February 24, 2008 at 12:34 AM
I’m a conservative on most issues, but I’m a liberal on abortion.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:35 AM
I believe in the liberally extending human rights to the unborn.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Woooaah. Maybe a little to much sauce.
I’ll write that again.
I’m a conservative on most issues, but I’m a liberal on abortion.
I believe in the liberal extension of human rights to the unborn.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:39 AM
What does being a liberal on abortion mean? You support Roe v Wade? You support partial-birth abortions? You support abortions for 13 year olds without parental notification? There are all kinds of liberal positions on abortion. Mine would be considered liberal by some conservatives, but conservative by some liberals.
Sue on February 24, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Nevermind. It means you have a sense of humor. ::grin::
Sue on February 24, 2008 at 12:41 AM
Yea right.
mred on February 24, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Hee Hee.
Gotchya Sue!
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:42 AM
You kids play nice.
Don’t make me come in there.
see-dubya on February 24, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Sue on February 24, 2008 at 12:41 AM
But, in all reality, that is what being a liberal on abortion should mean.
Classic liberalism would mean extending rights to people.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:43 AM
Oh I see. You want some higher power to make your life better.
Yea you are a Liberal Fascist.
mred on February 24, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Yeah, mred.
I’ve read some of your posts.
I’m probably closer to your point of view, but have a little self respect. Anything that can be said with vulgarity can be said better with creative language skills.
Clean it up.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:46 AM
It’s whatever the states work out. My guess is that all states would continue to outlaw infanticide–so in the birth canal, maybe OK; out of the birth canal, never OK. Other states would push it back closer to conception or implantation.
Logically, that isn’t where I’d draw the line. I’d probably put it at around the development of vital organs and brain activity. But, my points have been more about where the government should be involved.
dedalus on February 24, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Yeah. I bit. ::grin::
Sue on February 24, 2008 at 12:48 AM
tsk tsk drinking and blogging don’t mix fellahs!
Bradky on February 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM
dedalus on February 24, 2008 at 12:46 AM
You would have made a good 19th century Supreme Court justice. I believe Taney took this point of view.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Bradky on February 24, 2008 at 12:49 AM
I’m a total lightweight too. Hardly ever do it, but I’ve been working so hard lately, the kids are driving me nuts, it’s Saturday night etc. blah blah blah….
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:51 AM
dedalus on February 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Yeah, Danny Carey is a real talent and has a great approach to his craft.
So, you’re down with TOOl?
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM
The Classical Liberals who founded the country didn’t extend full rights to blacks or women. They weren’t liberally handing out rights out to all the people who were born, let alone unborn.
dedalus on February 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM
See mred? Now that’s good stuff, right there. This guy needs to work on the McCain campaign.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:57 AM
dedalus on February 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Oh.
So they were for increased restriction of human rights?
Give me an example.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Seriously, I’m tanked. Ive probably not a clue what IO’m talking about.
Saltysam on February 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM
doriangrey on February 23, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Please stop calling TOOL “speed metal”, they are psychodelic hard rock and Maynard their lead singer basically sings half hard with his classical influences in there. The whole band is similar to Phish in the fact that they have heavy classical and broad musical influences. Your talkin’ Slayer and all that garbage.
THE CHOSEN ONE on February 24, 2008 at 12:59 AM
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